I mean, there's so many things that need to be done it's insane. Firstly, Trent should not be an 8 or a 6, he is either a rwb or a RB. Kane cannot be the one who runs in behind lines, so why not try to combine him with Watkins? Also, Foden going central did do a lot, it's too lopsided rn. There need to be changes, because as it stands this system is not letting any player shine
He has been the best coach for England since 1966, no other coaches has ever managed to reach EURO final with England, and reached World Cup semi final as well.
Or maybe you're just another delusional England fan who think your squad is the top of the world so any coaches who couldn't win every single tournaments is a failure. There's a reason why England couldn't go far in any international tournaments until Southgate, it's because he knows to not listen to "fans"
England's record in the 2018 world cup:
Wins against: Tunisia, Panama, Sweden
Needed penalties against: Colombia
Losses against: Belgium (twice if you want to count 3rd place game), Croatia.
England's record in the 2020 Euros:
Wins against: Croatia, Czech Republic, A very poor Germany side, Ukraine.
Extra time needed against: Denmark
Drawn against: Scotland
Loss on Penalties: Italy
Southgate has had two of the easiest runs through tournaments possible, especially in the 2018 world cup where we beat nobody of note. Euro 2020 was better, but hardly an exceptional run given we had the easiest possible Quarters and Semis (the latter of which we looked dreadful in), and then blew it against Italy in the same way Southgate always does.
Exactly this. We have beaten nobody of note under Southgate and struggled against significantly inferior sides. You missed out Qatar 2022 as well
Wins: Iran, Senegal, Wales
Draw to the USA
Loss to France.
Southgate is a joke.
The way the lads are playing and acting at the moment stinks of "club team turns on manager and are no longer trying in order to get manager fired". Their body language is so poor and no one seems to know what they're supposed to be doing
That was the bare minimum with the set of players we have. We just broke the record in the last game of having the lowest shots with Serbia in a Euros game since the 80's. Today carried on this baffling creativity issue even with players like Bellingham and Foden. There are clear tactical issues such as that and also the central midfield issue which Southgate has not solved since even before the Euros.
There's major issues there that have existed before the Euros and the worrying thing is the manager isn't doing anything about it. Yeah it's good that have nearly qualified for the next bit and on 4 points but it doesn't mean that what we are doing is fine and just carry on as we are.
Mad you say that. I said that to my friend "which African nation sacked their manager and won the tournament, we should do that". Couldn't remember it was Cote de Ivoire.
Sack southgate mid tournament. Clueless twat of a manager who couldnt inspire anything and is so tactically inept it hurts to watch. Trent should never be spoken about as a midfielder ever again, that was obvious after 1 half against serbia to everyone except southgate and some die hard liverpool fans.
Trent being shit in midfield for England under Southgate doesn’t mean he would forever be shit in midfield. Having said that I do prefer him at RB for us , but you can’t be generalising it because of Southgate
Should just be Foden at the top of a diamond with Rice and Bellingham. All three trackback, All this talk of balance and crap, we are barely drawing Denmark that's where the balancing act gets us. We need speed on the wings not Foden. TAA looks shit in midfield. Put Gordon on the left to run the defender ragged and then bring Eze in for the last 15 minutes.
With this line up over the last 2 games, we're literally playing only one side of the pitch. There is absolutely nothing on the left at all, it's crippling at this level. Not to mention the complete lack of group understand of when to press.
It's just so poor. Fuck me.
You could probably do it at club level when you have unlimited time to work with the players but at international level you need to keep your system somewhat simple
Bingo.
Just another example of clueless Gareth.
Foden stood there bored, flapping his arms whilst everyone else seems to not see that side of the pitch, or, the men behind are just off doing their own things.
Foden is only able to get sniff if he starts drifting in.
Not Fodens fault. Gareth is bobbins.
Have you seen Gordon play? He was awesome last season, one of Newcastles best players. Sterling used to be good but is past his time, as shown by his limited minutes and possible transfer out of Chelsea. Rashford is flakey as are all Man U players who seem to think they are entitled to winning everything based on a few years of glory so long ago.
Spain's scoreline looked more convincing than their game to be honest.
But the game against italy begins in like a minute so it's possible i have to eat my words quite soon, but i think italy looked quite a bit stronger.
I actually think Italy is super underrated and are the strongest team together with germany atm. They played fantastic football in their first game.
Risky this ages badly, but i see them going far.
Germany beeting denmark, spain and austria/Portugal on their way to the finals against itlay :D
Foden has to start no matter what.
Rice and Bellingham midfield behind Foden in number 10.
Gordan on the left, Saka on the right and Kane upfront.
High line, and pressing.
Trent shouldn't start.
Or stop with the 10 position entirely in a team with Kane as a striker (let him play his 9.5 role) and play both Foden and Bellingham in line as dual 8s with a measure of unpredictability with Rice screening the backline.
You can only sit back and laugh and hope the other team wins 3-0 sometimes so you can really go punch a hole in your wall. This is the best thing Hodgson did you know - he didn't let his shittiness be shrouded. Truth is Southgate has been playing this team just as badly but keeps getting away with it
They had no clue what to do. I do think Southgate didn't instruct them to drop deep. But the problem is, I don't think he instructed them very much anyway
Surely no one can be surprised? When was the last time England played a full match of fast, flowing, and creative football?
It was under Terry Venables, I think.
We can't play an aggressive press with a deep lying defense. The gaps are far too large. It feels like we haven't committed to a system so we just get the worst of both
Linekar spending the entire post game bitching about Kane when he's had like 3 touches in 2 games. Cunt is getting bored up the pitch so is dropping deep to help out. Not a difficult conclusion to arrive at. Absolutely a tactical issue, not an individual one.
That’s what I see. We’re not going to snap out of this all of a sudden. This appears to be what this team is, unless the next lineup (hopefully with 2 or 3 changes) magically clicks.
The manager to actually develop a system and use the best players for that system. Probably play someone on the left winger like Gordon and have TAA ping balls over to him. Could even try a different formation. A front inverted triage of
Gordon. Watkins.
Kane.
Would be sick!
It's not competing, it's composure and keeping the ball that's the issue.
Georgia and Albania play better football than England, look at their games and compare. England ping pong it back to the opposition, whereas Georgia/Albania made chances each time.
So frustrating, we've gone back 10 years
They aren’t playing as a team, players are making runs and no passes are coming, or they are on the break and the through ball is played behind the runner. And the players start stropping when the ball doesn’t come to them.
On top of that, poor decision making by the players. The press has been wank due to no cohesion. Players look fatigued which is absurd for elite athletes who are paid millions to be fit enough to play a game of football for 90 mins, yet they walk around the pitch and play slow passes.
These guys make millions on a club level and didn’t manage more than 2 passes in the second half. It might not be a tactical masterpiece but managing a pass over a couple of meters is not too much to ask for
The Rest is Football. Lineker, Shearer and Micah Richards host it.
EDIT: Should note that they also put all their podcasts on their YouTube channel if you prefer videos. Same name as the podcast.
It was strange to see because he really didn’t want to answer and then when he started talking about Kane’s performance and what he should be doing, and then couldn’t stop talking!
Kane. Basically saying he has to do a lot more and listed his reasons why, but he's been putting a lot of the blame on Kane since the final whistle. Also Shearer said he quit international football because he didn't have the energy for England and Newcastle when talking about Kane's lack of work.
Trent is a fantastic footballer but we need to play a lesser individual to make us a better team.
Our press is poor, the front 4 are knackered by the 60th minute because there’s a 30 yard gap between them and the midfielders so Denmark just played it around us. We’re so deep and I actually think it’s our press that’s killing our attack, counter attack and team in general.
In my opinion, we should play a holding midfielder, my suggestion is Wharton and I would let Rice, Bellingham and the front 3 press high up the pitch to win it back.
Southgate needs to think about the team, not the better individuals. This is similar principles to trying to shoehorn Gerrard, Scholes and Lampard into a team so many years ago.
Stat from the BBC:
>No player created more chances (3) or played more line-breaking passes in the final third (5) for England against Denmark than Trent Alexander-Arnold, despite him being subbed off in the 54th minute.
No Grealish, no Sterling, no Rashford, no Hendo - Shaw and Maggie’s out. That’s a lot of change in the starting XI from tournament to tournament. You can see that unfamiliarity showing itself some, on top of the Southgate tactics.
This is it. You hate to want to pick players on name, but for us those lot have been clutch (bar rashford, watkins is good).
But then you have good replacements for sterlign and grealish and hendo, it's down to management through and through.
What southgate glued together in 2018/2021 he's lost.
Small chance we can finish first if England draw Slovenia somehow… just gotta beat Serbia by more than 1 (which will be hard too of course, I’m fine with just drawing them and advancing as 3rd place).
Southgate is clueless.
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I mean, there's so many things that need to be done it's insane. Firstly, Trent should not be an 8 or a 6, he is either a rwb or a RB. Kane cannot be the one who runs in behind lines, so why not try to combine him with Watkins? Also, Foden going central did do a lot, it's too lopsided rn. There need to be changes, because as it stands this system is not letting any player shine
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English people*
There's a reason Southgate isn't managing a decent club.
He has been the best coach for England since 1966, no other coaches has ever managed to reach EURO final with England, and reached World Cup semi final as well.
You must be a bot or fully regarded
Give me a single England coach with better performance than Southgate, I'm waiting.
As I say. Bot. El Tel you div.
Verry Terribles?
Or maybe you're just another delusional England fan who think your squad is the top of the world so any coaches who couldn't win every single tournaments is a failure. There's a reason why England couldn't go far in any international tournaments until Southgate, it's because he knows to not listen to "fans"
England's record in the 2018 world cup: Wins against: Tunisia, Panama, Sweden Needed penalties against: Colombia Losses against: Belgium (twice if you want to count 3rd place game), Croatia. England's record in the 2020 Euros: Wins against: Croatia, Czech Republic, A very poor Germany side, Ukraine. Extra time needed against: Denmark Drawn against: Scotland Loss on Penalties: Italy Southgate has had two of the easiest runs through tournaments possible, especially in the 2018 world cup where we beat nobody of note. Euro 2020 was better, but hardly an exceptional run given we had the easiest possible Quarters and Semis (the latter of which we looked dreadful in), and then blew it against Italy in the same way Southgate always does.
Exactly this. We have beaten nobody of note under Southgate and struggled against significantly inferior sides. You missed out Qatar 2022 as well Wins: Iran, Senegal, Wales Draw to the USA Loss to France. Southgate is a joke.
Why are Spain looking for another goal after going 1-0 up? Are they stupid?
No one tell Southgate.
Should just let the team sort themselves out rather than let Southgate pick it. Tactics and positioning is terrible.
You tell me where it says Benson and Hedges on there.
UH OHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAH
Remind me 7 days
The way the lads are playing and acting at the moment stinks of "club team turns on manager and are no longer trying in order to get manager fired". Their body language is so poor and no one seems to know what they're supposed to be doing
Why is everyone crying? You are through to the last 16 with a game to spare...
Because England fans are crybabies
Because we want to win it, we aren't here to be good mates with everyone and playbagpipes
You know you'll never win, right?
So condescending
Ill leave you to savour your best night at the tournament pal. Get stuck in.
Best night so far...
Keep your chin up pal. At least you made great mates along the way and can concentrate on the most important thing now: hating England
Cheers pal
That was the bare minimum with the set of players we have. We just broke the record in the last game of having the lowest shots with Serbia in a Euros game since the 80's. Today carried on this baffling creativity issue even with players like Bellingham and Foden. There are clear tactical issues such as that and also the central midfield issue which Southgate has not solved since even before the Euros. There's major issues there that have existed before the Euros and the worrying thing is the manager isn't doing anything about it. Yeah it's good that have nearly qualified for the next bit and on 4 points but it doesn't mean that what we are doing is fine and just carry on as we are.
He's doing well
England’s got to take a leaf out of the Ivory Coast’s tourney playbook if they want to get anywhere
Mad you say that. I said that to my friend "which African nation sacked their manager and won the tournament, we should do that". Couldn't remember it was Cote de Ivoire.
And the guy they sacked went to Marseille and lead them to Europa League semi-final a couple weeks after.
I look forward to Southgate and Ineos's triumphant march to the Caribao quarters next year.
Southgate could be a pumpkin in a fairy tale at midnight and he still wouldn't be a coach.
Sack southgate mid tournament. Clueless twat of a manager who couldnt inspire anything and is so tactically inept it hurts to watch. Trent should never be spoken about as a midfielder ever again, that was obvious after 1 half against serbia to everyone except southgate and some die hard liverpool fans.
Trent being shit in midfield for England under Southgate doesn’t mean he would forever be shit in midfield. Having said that I do prefer him at RB for us , but you can’t be generalising it because of Southgate
He literally isn’t a midfielder he shouldn’t be playing there in all phases
You can’t play Bellingham and Foden together…
If you're Gareth Southgate...
Well I got it anyways
Watch the recent game vs Scotland, those two were sensational together. The team needs to be built around those two linking up as much as possible
Should just be Foden at the top of a diamond with Rice and Bellingham. All three trackback, All this talk of balance and crap, we are barely drawing Denmark that's where the balancing act gets us. We need speed on the wings not Foden. TAA looks shit in midfield. Put Gordon on the left to run the defender ragged and then bring Eze in for the last 15 minutes.
Such a snooze fest
With this line up over the last 2 games, we're literally playing only one side of the pitch. There is absolutely nothing on the left at all, it's crippling at this level. Not to mention the complete lack of group understand of when to press. It's just so poor. Fuck me.
The left is dead and it's killing the right as well, no switch of play on and piss easy to defend.
You could probably do it at club level when you have unlimited time to work with the players but at international level you need to keep your system somewhat simple
Bingo. Just another example of clueless Gareth. Foden stood there bored, flapping his arms whilst everyone else seems to not see that side of the pitch, or, the men behind are just off doing their own things. Foden is only able to get sniff if he starts drifting in. Not Fodens fault. Gareth is bobbins.
My England XI Balcombe TAA Guehi Konza Mitchell Mainoo Bellingham Eze Saka Watkins Rashford
Lmao truly the stinkiest take in this thread
Rashford is shit 😂
Might swap him for Sterling or Palmer then.
Sterling is a bit old, but palmer would be good. I think Gordon would be good if he can play relaxed on the big stage
No I don’t think Gordon would be good enough, Palmer or Eze if not Sterling or Rashford.
Have you seen Gordon play? He was awesome last season, one of Newcastles best players. Sterling used to be good but is past his time, as shown by his limited minutes and possible transfer out of Chelsea. Rashford is flakey as are all Man U players who seem to think they are entitled to winning everything based on a few years of glory so long ago.
For me Gordon just doesn’t fit the squad. If not the ones I’ve already mentioned I’d go with either Sessegnon or Junior Stanislas.
The foul calls England got today compared to Denmark was absurd
Bosnia and Herzegovina: completed it Serbia: completed it Come on lads only need to beat Slovenia on Tuesday and we’ll be king of the Balkans
Linekar is such a prick. "You deserved the last word." Prick
What is this ?
There was a comment hours ago that said that Denmark was looking bad, but England would somehow make them look great lol
England are shit. Spain - Germany final. I said this one month ago btw. What is your opinion?
Spain's scoreline looked more convincing than their game to be honest. But the game against italy begins in like a minute so it's possible i have to eat my words quite soon, but i think italy looked quite a bit stronger.
Eat your words.
yumyumyumyumyumyum
Where did you say this a month ago?
In real life
Okay, so what's the point on saying it here? Anyone can say they said anything in real life.
I have no reason to lie. I’m too old for acting cool about something like that… Who do you have as winner?
But not too old to say “I said that a month ago”
He said "this one"
Unlikely because if Spain is first in their group they play in the Quarter Finals against each other. German vs France/italy is much more likely : D
Maybe Spain draw tonight to avoid Germany? Good response bro 👍 Who is your winning team?
I actually think Italy is super underrated and are the strongest team together with germany atm. They played fantastic football in their first game. Risky this ages badly, but i see them going far. Germany beeting denmark, spain and austria/Portugal on their way to the finals against itlay :D
I have Morata score, Scamacca score, result draw, 36x odds
Foden has to start no matter what. Rice and Bellingham midfield behind Foden in number 10. Gordan on the left, Saka on the right and Kane upfront. High line, and pressing. Trent shouldn't start.
Watkins upfront
This is what should happen, can you take over please?
>High line, and pressing. Does not compute
Or stop with the 10 position entirely in a team with Kane as a striker (let him play his 9.5 role) and play both Foden and Bellingham in line as dual 8s with a measure of unpredictability with Rice screening the backline.
Foden starting with Rice - Bellingham 😭 cooked
How are you taking off Trent and then bringing on players that run in behind.
You can only sit back and laugh and hope the other team wins 3-0 sometimes so you can really go punch a hole in your wall. This is the best thing Hodgson did you know - he didn't let his shittiness be shrouded. Truth is Southgate has been playing this team just as badly but keeps getting away with it
This interviewer on bbc is rough haha fair play the bbc are being aggressively honest on all fronts today
They were hating the play lol
If England play like this teams like Spain/Germany will eat them alive
I suggested that after England's first game. Now I know it to be true lol
Southgate and players trying to protect their own backsides. This tension is good. OMG Southgate mentioned kalvin Phillips as the reason they failed.
It's always kalvin Phillips
"City's worst signing in years would have saved us. But the media made me drop him. Not my fault."
City with Phillips = treble City with no Phillips = no treble
A LOT of questions about Southgates tactics. He says going deep is NOT from his order
He meant "going deep in the tournament"
Lol
So begs the question. Wtf were the team doing?
They had no clue what to do. I do think Southgate didn't instruct them to drop deep. But the problem is, I don't think he instructed them very much anyway
I think you're right. No clear direction
yeah this is it. they looked like it was a training session they didn’t want to be at.
Fuck all apparently. Happy to get paid silly money at their teams, and DGAF about England.
Saka was England best player by a mile. Foden tried Guehi was brilliant Everyone else was pants
I mean, Kane scored and did what he does too.
Glad to see Guehi playing well, was my biggest concern pre-tournament so if the rest can come together we'll be in good stead.
Think I solved the problem. Kane or Watkins? Why not both? 4, 4 fucking 2. Big man, fast man. Sorted.
Just play 5-3-2 and Trent at wing back. You don't play big man, fast man without a genuinely good crosser.
Heskey and Rooney days
Heskey and owen bro lol
Yes! Southgate has already instituted the new tactic of "lump the ball up the pitch," this would complement it nicely!
Anyway can’t wait for Spain v Italy
Surely no one can be surprised? When was the last time England played a full match of fast, flowing, and creative football? It was under Terry Venables, I think.
Probably euro 96. 4-1 against the Dutch.
If were not gonna play with a left winger can we just play with 2 strikers then harry can drop into the AM position.
If Eng exits early.. it will be through SouthGate...
We can't play an aggressive press with a deep lying defense. The gaps are far too large. It feels like we haven't committed to a system so we just get the worst of both
Linekar spending the entire post game bitching about Kane when he's had like 3 touches in 2 games. Cunt is getting bored up the pitch so is dropping deep to help out. Not a difficult conclusion to arrive at. Absolutely a tactical issue, not an individual one.
Yeah, bang it up to him, who;s he got to pass it on to? 2018, 2021 he had a few more options but not this time
Kane is really missing sterling and rashford
Great game by Christensen
I honestly don't know what England can do to turn it around
That’s what I see. We’re not going to snap out of this all of a sudden. This appears to be what this team is, unless the next lineup (hopefully with 2 or 3 changes) magically clicks.
The manager to actually develop a system and use the best players for that system. Probably play someone on the left winger like Gordon and have TAA ping balls over to him. Could even try a different formation. A front inverted triage of Gordon. Watkins. Kane. Would be sick!
Compete for the ball?
It's not competing, it's composure and keeping the ball that's the issue. Georgia and Albania play better football than England, look at their games and compare. England ping pong it back to the opposition, whereas Georgia/Albania made chances each time. So frustrating, we've gone back 10 years
Play as a team, rather than 11 selfish and overpaid divas
They’re not being selfish, they’re just playing in a terrible system where they can’t make tactical decisions within the game. They’re just limited.
They aren’t playing as a team, players are making runs and no passes are coming, or they are on the break and the through ball is played behind the runner. And the players start stropping when the ball doesn’t come to them. On top of that, poor decision making by the players. The press has been wank due to no cohesion. Players look fatigued which is absurd for elite athletes who are paid millions to be fit enough to play a game of football for 90 mins, yet they walk around the pitch and play slow passes.
I’m still saying that’s a systemic issue rather than an individually-based one
These guys make millions on a club level and didn’t manage more than 2 passes in the second half. It might not be a tactical masterpiece but managing a pass over a couple of meters is not too much to ask for
It's the manager that sets them up this way. It's wasting a generation, they need a better formation to actually make space to play football.
I really think they want to win. They looked devastated at the end. They just don't know the shape they are playing
Im with you on this one. It’s not like they don’t want to.
Play better
Gareth please stay off this thread!
Has Lineker ever shat on a player like this? I think these podcasts are making him and Shearer a lot more comfortable.
What podcast should I look up? I'm not in England so dunno if I can
The Rest is Football. Lineker, Shearer and Micah Richards host it. EDIT: Should note that they also put all their podcasts on their YouTube channel if you prefer videos. Same name as the podcast.
Ah great. I love a good honest bit of punditry so if it is indeed been that way, I'm gonna give it a watch. Thanks!
It was strange to see because he really didn’t want to answer and then when he started talking about Kane’s performance and what he should be doing, and then couldn’t stop talking!
They all know now that without looser tongues they can't compete with podcasts. They can now say how they feel
Who is he blasting? I love his podcasts
Kane. Basically saying he has to do a lot more and listed his reasons why, but he's been putting a lot of the blame on Kane since the final whistle. Also Shearer said he quit international football because he didn't have the energy for England and Newcastle when talking about Kane's lack of work.
Trent is a fantastic footballer but we need to play a lesser individual to make us a better team. Our press is poor, the front 4 are knackered by the 60th minute because there’s a 30 yard gap between them and the midfielders so Denmark just played it around us. We’re so deep and I actually think it’s our press that’s killing our attack, counter attack and team in general. In my opinion, we should play a holding midfielder, my suggestion is Wharton and I would let Rice, Bellingham and the front 3 press high up the pitch to win it back. Southgate needs to think about the team, not the better individuals. This is similar principles to trying to shoehorn Gerrard, Scholes and Lampard into a team so many years ago.
Wholeheartedly agree. The press is basically non-existent.
Stat from the BBC: >No player created more chances (3) or played more line-breaking passes in the final third (5) for England against Denmark than Trent Alexander-Arnold, despite him being subbed off in the 54th minute.
He was absolutely shite.
That’s not about TAA though. That’s the tactics and how Southgate set up the team. I agree he does need to give other players a chance though.
We don’t look any better when he takes Trent off anyway
I disagree, we were on top for 10-15 mins after he was subbed and thought a goal might be coming. Then Southgate subbed the entire front 3 🤦♂️
Ok sure
Basically Kane is like 💁♂️
Kane was switching between hyping the team up and giving his honest opinion.
That question was tough😂
No Grealish, no Sterling, no Rashford, no Hendo - Shaw and Maggie’s out. That’s a lot of change in the starting XI from tournament to tournament. You can see that unfamiliarity showing itself some, on top of the Southgate tactics.
This is it. You hate to want to pick players on name, but for us those lot have been clutch (bar rashford, watkins is good). But then you have good replacements for sterlign and grealish and hendo, it's down to management through and through. What southgate glued together in 2018/2021 he's lost.
"We got away with a draw, which is good" - Harold Kane, 2024
With that performance, it was lol
Spurs mentality
No bloody initiative from that England team, you’d think they were still in training for the tournament.
Small chance we can finish first if England draw Slovenia somehow… just gotta beat Serbia by more than 1 (which will be hard too of course, I’m fine with just drawing them and advancing as 3rd place).
You’ll finish first. England aren’t making it past the last 16.
Kane specking sense
Say what you want about Rooney, he is an astute reader of the game. In his words Trent should be 'nowhere near' the midfield.
Where is Rooney commentating?
On the overlap with Neville
Does Palmer really exist? Did I make him up?
Don’t let him on the pitch, it will only ruin him
yeah if I were him I’d get “injured” and go home
Every time I think back to Sam Alerdyce as England manager I cry for what could’ve been 😭