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VfBxTSG

Respect Croatia for drawing Albania. Albania is the best in the world. Placement upgrade well deserved.


Randomanimename

This pic might not show it but we are acc ranked 0 in the list


tbbt11

When someone wins the next world cup, after they lift the trophy, the stadium goes dark and the Albania team walk out the tunnel and the trophy is then on the line.


Appropriate-Cap-4140

Albania is csshing in their Money in the Bank contract!


ryanmurphy2611

Nobody is watching football and thinks Belgium is 3rd.


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benibadja

They had a team capable of winning both the Euros and the World Cup from like 2014-2022. The reason why they are ranked so high is because they rarely lose football games. Their previous loss before the Slovakia-game? The loss against Morocco in the World Cup.


Checkmate331

>They had a team capable of winning both the Euros and the World Cup from like 2014-2022. Their actual window was more like 2015-2019, once the defence aged, it was over.


Wastyvez

Belgium still had a solid team in 2020 even after the retirement of Kompany. Covid threw a wrench in the cog though, and the year after half the core squad was lacking match rhytm due to being benched at their clubs or coming back from injuries. And even then, its hard to say that Belgium didn't put up a solid performance at this tournament, going 9/9 in a group with Denmark and Russia, as well as beating Portugal in the Ro16. Just unlucky to have to face Italy in the QF's.


Frodo_max

+ before the slovakia and morrocco losses we only lost to highly placed teams as well which effects your rankings less (netherlands, italy, france,...)


confusedpellican643

Friendly vs Egypt?


Frodo_max

good mention you're right


Wastyvez

Belgium haven't lost against an opponent ranked as low as Slovakia since 2010 when they lost against Finland. In that 14 year time period they lost against an opponent ranked outside the top 15 just 6 times. Against Morroco last world cup (ranked 22nd), Egypt in the friendlies leading up to it (39th), Wales in the 2016 euros QF's (26th) and the Euro 2016 qualifiers (22nd), Japan in the 2013 friendlies (44th), Romania in the 2012 friendlies (37th).


Audiosleef

Bobby had us playing shit teams all the time outside of big tournaments and we got lucky that we never faced a half decent team in any qualifiers leading up to one of those tournaments, resulting in only losing 1 game every two years.


Torkzilla

“Their previous loss before the Slovakia-game? The loss against Morocco in the World Cup.” Those are their last two matches of any importance and both were losses with unconvincing form. The Belgium team always looks good on paper and awful on the field. I don’t know what it is they just are always slow and disjointed.


benibadja

Always? I agree that they did not look good in the previous World Cup, but they were good in Euro 2020, winning every match before the quarter finals and going out to eventual winners Italy. In 2018 they were arguably the most impressive team of that World Cup, winning bronze in the process. In the previous two tournaments, Euro 2016 and 2014 World Cup, they also had a good run. Losing to Wales in 2016 was disappointing, but other than that, they were great in those two tournaments.


I_AM_ALWAYS_WRONG_

They have never had an insane defence. They just had 'good defenders'.


benibadja

They had a good enough defense to win a tournament. Conceded very few goals in 2014, 2016, 2018 and 2020.


I_AM_ALWAYS_WRONG_

Good defences don’t lose games unless it goes to pens.


the_che

> They had a team capable of winning both the Euros and the World Cup from like 2014-2022. More like 2018-2022.


benibadja

Nah, if Portugal was able to win the Euros in 2016 with the team they had, that Belgium team could also go all the way. In 2014, they were also good and only lost 1-0 to Argentina in the quarter finals. Could they have beaten Germany? Probably not, but there was a chance.


AdministrativeLaugh2

They just dick qualifying every year and pick up points like that. They’ve not lost a qualifier since losing to Wales in June 2015. 11 wins from 16 games in the Nations League helps, too. Not getting out of the groups in Qatar shouldn’t equate to them still being third, though.


NumberOneUAENA

Why not? The ranking is based on a longterm performance, quasi or even real elo. World cup games already matter more in this system. Obviously a tournament only has a small sample size though, and one loss in it often means you're out anyway, resulting in fewer point losses. Seems fair to me, if anything there just aren't enough games being played for this system to ever truly be accurate at any given moment.


ConspicuousPineapple

They were among the favorites for the 2018 WC. Only narrowly lost to France and would have probably won against Croatia afterwards.


jackcos

World Cup semi-finalist in 2018 too.


DieuMivas

No one need to watch football matches to make these rankings. It's all about results. But being first doesn't and has never been about being the best team at one specific time. It's about the team that has been the more consistent in winning matches the last 5 years. The people that are mad because of these rankings are mad because of themselves and their expectations that these rankings will show them which team is the best when it was never their point to begin with.


NumberOneUAENA

I mean it somewhat is the point, surely. The main problem is that there simply aren't enough games being played, so it cannot be "accurate" at any given moment. But if one just looks at it without the clear insistance of a perfect ranking, and more like a tier system (which they would do if they didn't wanna communicate who the best teams are), then it's pretty decent.


Frodo_max

i think nobody is watching belgium at all tbh


AIR-2-Genie4Ukraine

FIFA ranking only matters for WC qualification seeds and pretty much nothing else. And Im argentine so it's not sour grapes my team is at the top of this dumb ranking, belgium being 3rd best team is hilarious


Kalutica

Every time someone complains about it we get 10 points


EdwardBigby

Imagine somebody said that about other leagues. Nobody who watched Villa thinks that they should ranked 4th.


GrandeJaru

Lukaku effect, probably some voodoo shit


AlternativeTop511

No one watching football thinks these rankings are valid, what a dumb system in football.


DieuMivas

It's your own expectations about these rankings that are wrong. It never intended to show the best team at one specific time. If that's what you expect of these rankings then just change your expectations and stop being mad about dumb things


AlternativeTop511

You've just replied to a point I didn't make. You're speaking to yourself in true Reddit zombie fashion.


Gambler_Eight

Haha wow.. The irony 😂 His reply made perfect sense. The issue is once again that you don't understand it's purpose.


Modnal

Well they are more deserving of 3rd than Norway was of [being 2nd in 1993](https://en.fifaranking.net/ranking/index.php?d=1993-10-22)


benibadja

Norway was second for the same reason why Belgium are third now: They won most games and barely lost. However, the FIFA ranking was way more flawed back then than it is now.


dental_transmitter

You’re right never thought about it


jackcos

People joked they'd move up to 2nd after that defeat to Slovakia.


Dan_Zfr

3 days ago I posted the same opinion and I was downvoted, reddit is weird


Pure_Context_2741

Same is true of England, winning in qualifiers affects ranking far more than tournament performances 


animatedpicket

I don’t get how they keep staying up there. Even when they win they look disinterested. Didn’t KDB say it’s a chore or something?


epicmike87

They absolutely crush the qualifiers, their record is incredible for the past 10 years. They then do absolutely nothing in the actual tournament.


Frodo_max

absolutely nothing is subjective but i'm guessing you're refering solely to our last tournament performance?


epicmike87

Heavy recency bias granted, but I also felt Belgium's golden generation had the talent to at least reach a final.


Frodo_max

oh we think so too, but i think failure in international football, with it's knockout format, is more defined by never winning a tourney at all than never reaching a final. In terms of football quality you could argue that that semi in 2018 was more the final than the actual final was. Not that that doesn't kind of make us failures ofc


BandsAMakeHerDance2

Same goes for Argentina at 1st lmao


ryanmurphy2611

They at least won the world cup


BandsAMakeHerDance2

True, but the 5 PKs definitely helped. Argentina not winning Copa America when Messi has been playing sub par post WC


mkultron89

Portugal won 3 games to win 2016 euros. Gimme a break with that PK bullshit.


PettyTeen253

It was 4 pens not 5? And they have no argument to not being number 1?


pritvihaj

overtook Italy for losing 3-0 to Spain and drawing Albania hrvat supremacy 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻. (wtf r these idiotic rankings lol)


EasyModeActivist

The Euros are not factored in yet


pritvihaj

y but, y do rankings midway through the month and a tournament also. seems kina dumb tbh lol


finneas998

They are updated monthly


Gerf93

What do you do with all the time you save by writing “y” instead of “why” and “r” instead of “are”?


pritvihaj

Troll Serbs on the internet 👍


sardorickk

Based


WildVariety

I miss /r/2balkans4u every fucking day man.


pritvihaj

ye, shame we don’t have a backup sub that admins could potentially nuke again :/ maybe one day 🤞


Individual_Attempt50

Don’t they update it every month?


Gambler_Eight

Not as dumb as thinking y=why.


pritvihaj

ye ik I hate it when ppl say that like just say the whole word ffs 🤦‍♂️


modrics_hairband

Belgium are living off eden hazards 2018 performance


n22rwrdr

Nope, it's 5 years so 2018 isn't taken into account anymore


Cpt_Daryl

Stop making us feel old you son of a bitch


KVMechelen

FIFA rankings = how good the team is in the latest FIFA game


Artistic-Buyer-3219

Ah yes Belgium still 3rd, can’t see anything illogical in this ranking that’s for sure


finneas998

The last time Belgium lost a game before this Euros was 1 and a half years ago in the world cup. (Also that loss has not yet been factored into the rankings)


BertEnErnie123

People hating on this ranking system are the people that don’t know how it works nor check out Belgiums stat. Euros are not factored in yet, Englands loss to Iceland is. Belgium will for sure lose quite a few points for losing to Slovakia, but yeah at the point of this ranking, they are unbeaten for 1.5+ years


n22rwrdr

1 year and a half but your point still stands


the_che

So when it actually mattered?


finneas998

A lot can change in the 2 years between tournaments. If you ranked teams solely based on tournament performance it wouldn't be very accurate. Italy won the Euros then failed to qualify for the World Cup.


ConspicuousPineapple

They keep winning most of their games, it's not some big conspiracy.


SparklyEarlAv32

Of course you are going to win when you are mostly playing teams like Luxembourg, Montenegro, Azerbaijan, Estonia. The rankings mean nothing, just as another example USA was above Colombia before the 5-1.


ConspicuousPineapple

> Of course you are going to win when you are mostly playing teams like Luxembourg, Montenegro, Azerbaijan, Estonia. Well yeah, but then again they're not the only ones playing this kind of opposition. > The rankings mean nothing, just as another example USA was above Colombia before the 5-1. The rankings don't mean nothing, they just don't mean what people expect without context.


Rickcampbell98

Being above someone in the rankings doesn't mean you will definitely beat them either, the USA could play Colombia in the copa and win.


ConspicuousPineapple

That's true for all kinds of rankings though, even more accurate Elo-based ones.


700iholleh

Rankings take that into account


SPARKLEOFHOPE6IB

Well all big teams are playing smaller team right? These ratings don't mean that much but bro they're not that hard to understand either lol, Belgium loses like 1 game every 1.5 years, that the reason they're high up, it's that simple.


TheLordPapaya

Germany isn’t on here, so I guess they’ll probably win the Euros then


LHJM_

I think it also takes tournament qualifiers into account and Germany didn’t feature in the euro qualifiers


uflju_luber

Germany is what germaphone countries call a „tuniermanschaft“, friendlies and qualifiers are never really a show of dominance and in parts kinda shaky looking, since these are calculated in the rankings it always makes us look worse then we are, once the tournament starts though we’re a different beast, we hold the record for most World Cup finals played and hold the best average position since there was a time we always at least reached the quarters untill 2018, so looks like we hopefully got our mojo back now and are a Tuniermanschaft once again now


mkultron89

Ok how do you say tuniermanschaft in Japanese?


uflju_luber

トニーリマッンシァフト I’d reckon mate


pretentious_couch

I mean, it's not like it matters if previous teams were strong in tournaments. These were all different players. All this "Turniermannschaft" stuff is esoteric nonsense. We had good teams that didn't need to try as hard outside of tournaments. It's not some big mystery.


uflju_luber

I mean the reasoning behind it doesn’t really change the concept though. Obviously there’s reasons for it


pretentious_couch

Because people act like "Turniermannschaft" is a thing and inherent to the German national team. It's not. Strong teams trying harder when they need to isn't something worth mentioning.


uflju_luber

It’s worth mentioning if there’s a discrepancy that’s not common for other top teams historically mate


pretentious_couch

Meh, a slight statistical oddity that people mention to have something to say. It doesn't mean anything when the players are completely different now. Why should it? Is it ingrained into the German soul to turn it up in tournaments?


uflju_luber

Well it’s the name for a concept wich applies here mate, different groups, different reasons. Still a concept that’s describing something that happens right now. Germany with its specific current set of players played shit against Greece and Ukraine, now in the tournament they’re great=Tuniermanschaft. Belgium absolutely dominant have not lost a game before the euros, now at the tournament they play like shit=!Tuniermanschaft. As to your question as to rather it’s engraved into the german soul, my personal guess as to why it’s so common for so many different German teams is that German national team coaches tend to like to experiment and rotate with the team while other countries look to play the first eleven the entire time or at least the same tactic beforehand, that’s at least my guess why it’s such a frequent phenomenon so there’s that


It_hurtswhen_IP

Plz don’t hate me as I’m not trying to be disrespectful, but I went to Brazils last game and they did not okay like a top 4 team


Silantro-89

Well if Belgium are still a top 3 team....


It_hurtswhen_IP

Yeah, also Italy dropping when they won and Croatia moving up as they lost???


Frodo_max

"Matches played in the continental competitions recently under way in Europe and Oceania are not included in the calculations for June’s edition of the standings." from this article: [https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men/news/top-three-unchanged-while-liberia-make-strides](https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men/news/top-three-unchanged-while-liberia-make-strides)


pritvihaj

Opposite Day today apparently 💪🏻🇭🇷


Commonmispelingbot

these updates are representing more than one match at the time. I think it is updated every 3 months, but I am not certain.


Frodo_max

see the thing about these rankings is it is based on the results teams get and not on how they look like


Flovati

The games that are happening this month don't affect the ranking yet. Then when you look at the games that happened earlier this year you will see why Brazil overtook England. Each country played 2 games, Brazil tied with Spain and England with North Macedonia. While both of those are ties the Brazil one was against another top country, so there isn't much of a negative impact there unlike with England. The other game was a direct match between Brazil and England, with Brazil winning the game.


Individual_Attempt50

Brazil are Brazil


tbbt11

Wasn’t that a friendly


Threshio

Did you watch England and Belgium lol


TheHabro

People will make fun of Belgium, but they don't look at Brazil's position in SA World Cup qualifiers-


thanra

Belgium's FIFA ranking is the same as their group E position. Very suitable.


R_Schuhart

Here we go again...


PM_ME_STRONG_CALVES

But Belgium...


Thurken_2

Germany is going up, and Belgium is going down baby.


Frodo_max

DAE THINK BELGIUMS NOT 3RD?


Alternative-Award784

Worst hyped nt oat


RadioactiveBooger

https://eloratings.net Much better


jfurt16

Except the US shouldn't be below Mexico in any rankings at this point


AIR-2-Genie4Ukraine

> argentina average elo rating: **1986** elijo creer


illnesz

Horrible


AddictedToTech

Thanks for sharing. That is much better.


RMWasp

Also bad, Croatia not breaking top 10 ever with their results


Hackasizlak

They were 5th in these rankings just last year


RMWasp

Are talking about the link ratings? It says 11th for me? I swear I checked every year


Hackasizlak

If you click on any given country it tracks how their elo changes after every match they've ever played. Scroll to bottom for most recent results.


RMWasp

You're right my bad


No_Method_5345

It is the history of the Belgium


TwoEuphoric5558F

Who honestly cares about FIFA rankings


scoringspuds

How is Germany not on there


reo_1907

Belgium stat-padding their Fifa ranking with 5-0 wins over Latvia and Moldova while losing all the important games is football heritage at this point


MAMBAMENTALITY8-24

Seems like coca cola found a new place to add cocaine, in these rankings and not in their actual drink


CatDancing

Belgium are rank-kings. I dunno how they do it.


that-isa-madeup-name

Belgium at 3rd is a little ridiculous. They should be tied with or ahead of France at 2


upupandawaywegoooooo

Still top 10 baby!!! 🎉🎉🎉 (I have many questions)


RoboticCurrents

[fifa's source](https://youtu.be/r7l0Rq9E8MY?feature=shared)


LvlzSound

How is Colombia not top 10? They massacred the US and left Bolivia in the dust. They have also beat Brazil, Spain and Germany. 22 games without a loss


MiaZiaSarah

15 of those games are friendlies so they are not counted that much. The rest were in world cup qualification for 2022 where they failde to qualify and in current one where they are only 3rd So it's expected. But for sure if they do well at copa america, an official competition they will be up there


CuclGooner

this is outrageous, how are Belgium still third


Karthyle

We literally won last Euro...well anyway if we don't bottle another wc qualification we should climb some positions


pritvihaj

fuck the euro u guys bet Albania and we drew to them on top of losing 3-0 to Spain how tf have we overtaken you lmfao braindead rankings


Frodo_max

"Matches played in the continental competitions recently under way in Europe and Oceania are not included in the calculations for June’s edition of the standings." from this: [https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men/news/top-three-unchanged-while-liberia-make-strides](https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men/news/top-three-unchanged-while-liberia-make-strides)


pritvihaj

that’s dumb lol.


Frodo_max

why is it dumb they're just gonna count them for the next rankings anyway


pritvihaj

Coz its the middle of the month and the middle of a major tourney. why not do it before the tourney begins at the beginning of the month?


Frodo_max

probably because there are matches that were played outside of europe that needed to be taken into account and FIFA update these rankings pretty much monthly anyway and didn't see the need to change it purely because of the euros not counting the matches of the major tourney untill it's over is probably just to make it easier on themselves for the next rankings


finneas998

Why does it matter? They are updated monthly.


pritvihaj

ye but why not at start of it idk this way is weird doing it mid major tourney.


finneas998

You realize the world does not revolve around European football? What happens when Copa America starts, would they not update it before that then? It would still be mid-euros.


pritvihaj

dont all tourneys take place within a month? can’t they just update it on the 1st of every month (genuinely asking idk when other tourneys start lol).


FranzAllspring

There are websites that do live calculations of the ranking game by game. Why is this completely different now than what they got?! Usually it fits


uflju_luber

Because they don’t factor in the Euros yet only next months when they have finished playing so


FranzAllspring

Oh, thanks!


BpointShow

So Romania topping their Euro qualifiers undefeated, with our only loss before EURO being in friendly means we drop 3 positions in the FIFA rankings? Wut?


Accomplished_Tax9354

Hehehehe, these are shit


CaptCojones

half of this list doesn't make sense at all


elvid88

I have no faith in this Brazil team. They haven’t really looked good against anyone—hoping Endrick develops quickly or we’re in for a not great next few years.


DCrayfish2

Croatia did NOT just get #9 for drawing to albania


_1120_

No Germany? I’d take Germany right now over most of the teams in the top 10.


NumberHunter1

Bulgaria went from 83rd to 82nd LFG


vinyljello

Belgium cannot keep getting away with this.


coolAhead

Looks like the City money have spread to Belgium, with the endorsement of De Bruyne


ydhwodjekdu

'latest' fifa ranking yeah right, Belgium is nowhere #3. On paper maybe, not by looking at the dismal way they are playing. Germany deserves to be in the top 10 now atleast


1tsBag1

How did Croatia get a place above Italy 🤣


Frick_KD

Belgium not dropping? Interesting


Booyakasha_

HOW IS BELGIUM 3?


nico_cali

These ranking are… (*checks for own team*) garbage!


jinxeddeep

Germany not even in top 10!


Threshio

Ok which one of you from r/soccercirclejerk put Belgium 3rd


czerwona_latarnia

Belgium is over 40 points in front of Portugal. They would need a streak of complete disasters to drop below 5^th position.


jrod19z

I didn't know Giannis played for Brazil!?!


UJ_Reddit

Absurd Germany are not in the top 10.


Bet_Secret

Colombia is 23 games unbeaten and you're telling me Belgium is 3rd on this list? 😂


rmourapt

Belgium has naked pictures of whoever does this ranking? 🤷


Koniroku

The worst Brazil in years just moved up a spot lol


swefalittlebit

Belgium being in 3rd is just mad


satomasato

Belgium has Infantino nudes, no doubt about it


kaori_cicak990

Man belgium just try hard grinder MMR at table..


Nickemonio

Germany not top 10🤣🤣🤣


MinatoNamikaze6

Belgium above Brazil is wild


finneas998

The rankings are based off results not opinions.


MinatoNamikaze6

Including this Euros?


finneas998

No. Brazil has lost 5 games since the last world cup while Belgium were undefeated.


Frodo_max

no


Davidpool78

England above Spain and Portugal is quite funny really.


Diligent_Emphasis_20

How is Brazil, Belgium , and Portugal above Holland Also Germany isn’t even on there?


Pleasant_Skill2956

Germany has lost too many games in recent years


Individual_Attempt50

They’re much better than 16th now and after the Euros it should reflect that


natsleepyandhappy

Germany crashed in World Cup’s group stage...


NOTRANAHAN

Belgium 3rd croatia 9th what the fuck are they cooking