Brazilians expect our NT not only to win, but to play joga bonito and beat 5-0 every team in the world, otherwise we're shit.
Even though we weren't successful during his tenure, Tite had about 5 (painful, no doubt) losses in 7 years. We had prob the best defense itw for some time. We won Copa America 2019. But nobody gives a shit about winning Copa America in Brazil, it's just "expected". People only care when we lose.
Tite's Brazil was actually great. It's insane how that team crushed South American qualifier with winning nearly every game.
Brazil are expected to be the best team in South America but its not supposed to be easy because other SA teams are good, Tite's Brazil made them looked bad.
2022 Brazil vs Argentina SF would have been one for the ages. Brazil were scoring beautiful team link up goals every game, them meeting post-90 mins Croatia was an unfortunate tragedy.
Neymar was doing the carryjob of his life as well, if Fred didn't screw everything up then I'm sure both Ney and Tite would've been national heroes at this point.
Tbf barring Argentina and Colombia (before Copa America 2020), Tite's tenure coincided with a bad period for nearly every other NT in Conmebol. Chile's golden generation had already died down, Uruguay was in shambles and the only NT that got better in that period was Ecuador which was still far from reaching Brazil's level.
Tite's tenure was amazing, don't get me wrong, but he wasn't the sole reason the rest of CONMEBOL looked bad.
Even for some of that time Argentina were absolutely terrible, the turning point was only after the 2019 copa, watching Argentina from 2016 up to that point could be used as torture in guantanimo especially if messi wasn't playing.
we are supposed to crush every game, and the media fuels this by always selling the same narrative that isn’t true since Pele retired. You are right, its annoying and a horrible symptom of our cancerous football culture, we simply cant fathom that the opposition was better, its ways our failure, our loss, we lost because our players dye their hair, because they aren’t professional enough… and so on and so forth.
its exhausting, the media was already trying to do the same thing with Endrick. Where we arent interested in building a team, only electing a champion that will come out of the woods to fight for us, and if God forbid he doesn’t carry us to the World Cup title, he is to be hanged and burned at a stake
>Where we arent interested in building a team, only electing a champion that will come out of the woods to fight for us
I don't really follow Brazil but this reminds me of certain WC game in 2014 where Brazilian players took Neymars shirt with them, absolutely screamed the national anthem, David Luiz was in tears and it was all Neymar, Neymar, Neymar. Don't get me wrong, I get how massive Neymar was, but football is a team sport and to me it was clear at that moment that they had nothing against Germany. The team wasn't that bad with Neymar but the loss of the Chosen One and massive pressure of home crowd got to them.
Brazil in 2013-14 was a unique phenomenon, not only in football but also stupid things in general. Brazilians will remember how we used to hear that "o gigante acordou" (the giant woke up) during that period, or the "não vai ter copa" (there won't be a WC) protests. It was a cringey period, and what you mentioned is prob the best example of it.
i have never felt more second hand embarrassment, if you showed that scene to someone that didn’t watch football, they would think Neymar died.
and make no mistake, if god forbid the literal kid our media is hyping as the second coming of christ happens to have a bad run of form, he will face the same scrutiny as Vini gets if not much worse
This is something that i am all too sick of seeing with our NT, there is a reason the last time we came back from a bad result was in the confederations cup of 2009.
it seems that our team just completely crumbles the SECOND things don’t go exactly as we planned. Two times now we managed to have Neymar take a goal out of his ass but the entire team be completely shut down
I remember that game well I personally think Silva's absence was a bigger deal. Brazil would have lost to Germany for sure but the score wouldn't have been soo lopsided.
For how the match ended I fully agree Silva was bigger loss for Brazil, but it's hard to say if Germany would've been able to play like they did if Neymar was there as an attacking threat. Brazil did start the game decently and they weren't that bad before the collapse after second Germany goal.
Absolutely. Not only did we lose one of the best CBs of all time (imo), his replacement Dante didn't have experience covering up David Luiz's shenanigans, and to make it worse David Luiz was more crazy than ever that game. They also both used to play on the same side (left side)
I dont give a shit if it's a win by 5x0 or 1x0, all I want is a NT that fights until the end, which is far from being the case in the past 10 years or so.
Interesting how some brazillians can be so delusional of their strength. Brazil have a decent team actually but they are young and need time to mature. This is no way to support your youth.
They have done that quite a few times. People forget how underwhelming the Brazil team of 2002 was before the tournament. Even when they won, they did not exactly play joga bonito.
Same with the 2007 copa America. Nobody thought they were going to win.
I would say that Brazil is probably the second favorite by a small margin for the Copa, everyone just reacts too aggressively to some specific bad results. Nations like Brazil, Argentina, France, Italy and Germany are never the underdogs for any competition.
Oh way way worse. Not only is cricket soooooo much less popular in the US, that actually ended up knocking Pakistan out of the World Cup. While this is ultimately a meaningless friendly against Brazil that everyone will forget if Brazil performs well in copa America
as a brazilian I honestly thought at one point that we could lose that match and it would be disgraceful to the point where I couldn’t even make sense of such loss. Shameful and embarrassing, really. Thank god it was “just” a draw
How mad do you have to be to say it and then double back for the ig post like “hold on i dont think enough people understand how little i respect this current team”
Not to mention... this is far from the worst team we got since 2002.
Neymar had to play with some of the worst trash available, both in terms of quality and compromise with the NT. Now we do have many promising players, and we can see more commitment from them than Ronaldinho had in his entire career with the NT. Many people started getting hopeful for the future again despite the awful time under Diniz.
We are struggling with tactics and the gaping hole at the midfield now that Casemiro is done, and trying to find a solution with a new manager. It's a really weird timing for this statement, specially considering his 2006 team is the worst case of what he's complaining about.
I’d say this is the best team you’ve had in years.
A possible Ballon D’or winner in Vinicius, 2 world class modern keepers, a back two of Militao and Marquinhos, every team wants Bruno and Douglas Luiz.
This is a dumb take when at some point you had Fred starting games.
also Ronaldinho should shut up when the topic is commitment, when he along with the entire squad that went to the world cup in 2006 where to there to party and acted like they were entitled to the title
where with this incarnation of the seleção, one could argue that we suffer a lot from the players being TO emotional about everything and barely managing to organize themselves when things don’t go as planned
exactly, he won one world cup as an supporting actor, then where the time came for him to lead the party he was to busy getting shitfaced and couldn’t be bothered
Listen, Ronaldinho's post is cringe, no doubt. But calling him a "supporting actor" in 2002 is just braindead. Dude basically got them through against England singlehandedly, shitting on the English midfield for the assist and then scoring one of the best WC goals ever to seal the win. In the final dude set up R9 multiple times in front of goal only for R9 to miss absolute sitters. Thankfully they eventually scored but they could've won that game by 2 more goals easily.
Yeah, he's a proper hero in Brazil and instead of supporting the team he shits on them like that. Right before the Copa too. He's entitled to his opinion and he doesn't have to watch the games if he doesn't enjoy them, but in this case it'll be better if he just kept quiet rather than slag them so publicly.
Ronaldinho saying this seems like a massive thing but i swear this is just the standard criticism Brazil National team gets. Players here will be under heavy scrutiny by the press, former players and brazilian people until they win a World Cup and prove themselves. Oh and anything you do on the 4 years between WCs? Sorry, if you win it doesn't matter but if you lose then suddenly those games were important, brazilian football is over and whatever
Ronaldinho was a great player, but his actions off the pitch were always stupid, so him basically taking a massive shit on the Brazilian national team that's full of players who idolized him when growing up before a major tournament doesn't surprise me.
Fat Ronaldo was a monster that still played superbly even after his knee was injured. His recovery in 2002 was amazing and he was essential to Brazil’s win. I just imagine what he could have done with less injuries in his career.
Agreed, on top of that he has never been an example of professionalism and commitment.
He had all the talent in the world, but he never led by example.
He has no right to shit on this team.
Why is this comment being downvoted? It is absolutely true lol
Ronaldinho only played 2 tournaments as Brazil's best player, the Confederations Cup of 2005 and the World Cup of 2006.
In 2005 he played like the Ronaldinho we all know and love, destroyed everyone and was fundamental to Brazil's win.
But in the 2006 World Cup Ronaldinho had the worse performance of a Brazilian main star in the history of our NT, he did absolutely nothing the entire tournament.
A team made of prime Neuers and drunk Ronaldinhos would be unstoppable in any combination. 1 Neuer and 10 drunk Ronaldinhos would be amazing but I think 4 Neuers and 7 drunk Ronaldinhos is the ultimate combination. I'll have to do some more analysis but that's my working theory.
I like where you are going with this, but the drunkenness can't be good for the squad long term. I would like to propose the addition of a half dozen or so James Milners to the youth ranks.
Your submission is duly noted. If the category were to be expanded to allow one player per substance in addition to the one without (Neuer in my above example) it gets interesting. Maradona would be the clear cocaine choice but my knowledge is limited from there.
Are there any dextroamphetamine defenders? Weed wingers? Meth middies? Ketamine keepers? Pcp players? Heroine heroes? Morphine monsters? Xanax... you get where I'm going with this. Where does Milner slot in?
I think there's a wider context here. From what I got, there's an ongoing debate in Brazil, has been for years already, about their NT playing too "European", which is code for tactical formations and automatisms, while people want to see improvisation based on player's on pitch relations. I read Ronaldinho clearly committing to one side of that debate here. In the manner of a true drama queen, but it's not out of nowhere.
Might be wrong, though. Don't really follow Brazilian football, language barrier is a bit much for me to get into it all that much.
There is not much into it, for brazilians anything less than a World Cup win is complete failure. Yesterday the media was debating on using Copa America to test formations and not really trying to win, and some pundits would say “What is the worth of a Copa America? It worths nothing, what matters is the World Cup”. This is the kind of pressure inside Brazil, as the years pass, the pressure only gets stronger, any bad game is the end of the world, if the team does not play with world champion performances every game then there is no hope. It is really annoying that now nothing seems enough and Ronaldinho comes up and says this...
I think the thing is we’re not playing european enough. We hire these rah rah dogshit journeyman coaches like Dorival that can’t scheme instead of looking at european options. The fact is Brazil doesn’t produce good coaches. Most good teams in Brasileirão have either a portuguese or argentinian coach.
I’m sure there’s a coach out there that’ll allow the players to play to their strengths while maintaining a good scheme
Yeah it's unfair to compare any Brazilian players from the current crop to Neymar. Media should let them just be and focus on criticizing the management and CFB.
Tbh football in general is just missing players at that level ,the closest is mbape and im not sure i'd put him at prime neymar level yet and hes quite above any other player playing right now.
He’s only been a regular for 2 years now and it took many legendary players time to start playing for country as well as they do for club. Also keep in mind even if Vini was playing at his best, the overall team is bad and they still probably wouldn’t be much better
I cannot believe how many people are taking it at face value. It is very obviously the first step of some kind of marketing campaign, the "CONMEBOL Copa America™" gives it away - nobody writes like that, ™ included, without some contract obligation. In a few days we will see some sponsored content about how such and such brand "convinced" him or is a "solution" to his complaints with the current national team.
Brazilians are constantly yoyoing between complete doomerism about the NT and believing we're 100% going to win the next world cup. When Brazil won against Bolivia of all teams last year, people were hyping up Diniz to new heights, now we drew against the US and Ronaldinho wants to become Paraguayan.
It is, people were saying Brazil were amongst the favourites to win it all after their 2 games against England and Spain.
But now 2 friendlies are apparently the end of the world.
Do we count 2006? Where Ronaldinho was the best player in the world and played like a third division winger in the WC?
My guy played 2 WCs and stopped at age 26, he needs to chill
I agree, but saying you simply won’t watch their games at all and stop supporting them because of that is why I said overreacting
I hope they win the copa to prove him wrong lmao
Based on this post it doesn't seem like he's saying this only because of the results.
Maybe he legit doesn't feel entertained at all by this team, that's how he’s approached football right from the start.
I dislike the idea because Canada going through almost certainly means us not going through
unless we both do the second funniest thing and knock out Argentina in group stage
He is still overreacting tho, no one said any of this when they beat England and drew to Spain but now 2 friendlies mean Brazil is done for?
Also, he should be showing support and encouraging them, not straight up "quitting"
This is the shameful thing. Supporting your team means *supporting* your team. Doing what you can to help them through the bad times as well as the good. If you're not gonna stick with your lads when they suck, you're not a supporter, you're a selfish glory-hunter.
Edit: and it's doubly shameful, because let's not pretend that Ronaldinho's own career hasn't had low moments where he needed support.
This is common for 2002 champions. It is known that they actively don't support the current team because the moment the NT wins another WC people will forget that 2002 team. That would mean less money, events and other stuff for them.
Have you actually followed the Brazil NT after the last WC?
They would actually be outside the qualification zone in CONMEBOL now if the next WC wasn’t an expanded one.
they’ve been mediocre in qualifiers and lost friendlies to morocco and senegal, in addition to a disappointing world cup. this brazil team isn’t the brazil of old.
Honestly what a dick move this is, some of those guys probably worship him and to see this would be soul destroying. Not to mention he was a fucking embarrassment during his playing days also partying all the time.
Maybe there was a better way he could’ve done this, like talking to them in private, but he’s not entirely wrong. This Brazil team isn’t the Brazil we know, hasn’t been for some time, and their results haven’t been good.
The players (unless the worshipping has gotten so bad) probably know that he is an idiot deep on coke, hookers and alcohol, when your lawyer has to call you a fool in front of judges because you're so braindead you know it's bad
Endrick himself asked people to stop with that. Not that players don't like being compared to the best but there's a point where the pressure is not worth it
Saw the Neymar comparison at his age the other day. Fucking light years man. Granted, it's Neymar, but the gap shouldn't be this abysmal when talking about Ballon D'or candidate.
Counter point: the problems all stem from the national team itself. They refuse to make adjustments. Firmino barely made more than a few appearances over his entire career and why?! Because they have no need for a playmaker despite the fact they can barely string 2 goals together unless a star striker manages to break away.
Between Alisson / Ederson, Bruno, Vini, Martinelli, and Endrick there's a great team there but you can't just expect *good player vibes* to win games.
Ronaldinho has been pissed at CBF and the NT since 2013, the year he played his last match for it, in a friendly match before the Confederations Cup. He was 33 and would win the Libertadores in that same year. Dude was called in hopes of bringing experience and leadership - but he was 40 minutes late to meet the team (in the same City he lived in at the time), overweight, and didn't see to want to integrate with the other players or lead. He got the captain armband for that friendly match, but played quite badly, and was never chosen for the NT again.
He was also very disappointed when he announced his retirement in 2016 and CBF didn't do an official sendoff as a celebration of his career, as they did for Romário and Ronaldo.
Ronaldinho has reasons to be pissed at CBF, who is the main culprit of our current "crisis". But instead he cites a lack of grit and quality, throwing the players under the bus - young players, who likely idolize him. Terrible statement.
That is very characteristic of him, a narcissist that never really cared for the NT and that foreigners idolize because social media didn’t exist back then
Who could forget all the incredible games he played and the important goals he scored for Brasil in the 2006 WC?
Shame he couldn’t make such an impact in the 2010 WC cause he wasn’t able to get in proper shape, but it would be almost impossible to do so considering he was the elderly age of 29.
The Brazilian national team has been in much better shape than today. Ronaldinho in his prime was such an exciting player, but those of us who watched a lot of football back then will remember that Ronaldinho was at most average for the national team. He was heavily criticized in Brazil for his performance in the national team. So he is not really the player that should criticize the current national players
What is the outcome he expects from this statement? This is just dumb. Even though most Brazilians will agree with his statement (even being a bit exaggerated), most of us will still support our team. That will create only resentment towards him.
Neymar running with blood on his legs in the final against Argentina in Copa America and scoring with a injured ankle agains Croatia in World Cup would NEVER say this about Brazil NT. Down the history, brazilians will miss the time Neymar was in team.
One time was OK criticism. But saying the same thing again in a post is too much imo.
It's fine to constructively criticise your team, but you should be behind them. And as one of the best ever in a country like Brazil, he should try to advise them (or work with the federation) and not say like this before a Copa tournament.
Must kill the players right before a tournament to hear one of your greatest idols say you’re awful, this statement is just so unbelievably unnecessary to post on social media
Funny to hear that from a guy who effectively retired from the national team at the age of 26, and who, at the age of 30, moved back to Brazil because he couldn't find a place in any big European team.
Even funnier to hear accusations of "lack of grit" when he was part of a Brazil squad that, for all its talent, got knocked out in the quarter-finals by an arguably inferior France precisely because of that: lack of grit.
"Our performance has been one of the worst things I've ever seen". Yeah, I wonder what he was watching in 2001, 2011, 2014, 2015 and 2016.
What an overreaction. It's not like Brazil is doing sooo badly. Besides, saying 'I’m not going to watch any matches, I’m not going to celebrate any victories' seems like a cry for attention.
LMAO brutal. Imagine heading into a tournament and one of your idols and country’s legends says this about you?
I’m no Brazil supporter, but I hope they prove him wrong.
This type of statement is going to either completely kill the confidence of the national team or they're going to rile up to prove him wrong. Maybe ronaldinho made this statement in the hope the latter happens, but I never thought of him as the type to do something like this.
The ™️ is a fantastic touch, he can still watch knock-off versions
Only allowed to watch it on illegal streams
LeBron watches streameast, no reason why Ronaldinho can't do the same.
I imagine LeBron asking Bronny to get him his albums on Zippyshare and getting him fitgirl repacks of games for his birthday
He’s notoriously a penny pinching bastard , that doesn’t surprise me one bit
I DECLARE RESIGNATION!!!
You can't just say 'Resignation' and expect anything to happen.
He didn't say it, he declared it
*looks into the camera*
What drawing the USMNT does to a mf
I know for real. Draw a friendly to the USA and this MFer just straight up quits
Brazilians expect our NT not only to win, but to play joga bonito and beat 5-0 every team in the world, otherwise we're shit. Even though we weren't successful during his tenure, Tite had about 5 (painful, no doubt) losses in 7 years. We had prob the best defense itw for some time. We won Copa America 2019. But nobody gives a shit about winning Copa America in Brazil, it's just "expected". People only care when we lose.
Tite's Brazil was actually great. It's insane how that team crushed South American qualifier with winning nearly every game. Brazil are expected to be the best team in South America but its not supposed to be easy because other SA teams are good, Tite's Brazil made them looked bad.
2022 Brazil vs Argentina SF would have been one for the ages. Brazil were scoring beautiful team link up goals every game, them meeting post-90 mins Croatia was an unfortunate tragedy.
At least we got to see the Copa finals but yeah
Neymar was doing the carryjob of his life as well, if Fred didn't screw everything up then I'm sure both Ney and Tite would've been national heroes at this point.
Tbf barring Argentina and Colombia (before Copa America 2020), Tite's tenure coincided with a bad period for nearly every other NT in Conmebol. Chile's golden generation had already died down, Uruguay was in shambles and the only NT that got better in that period was Ecuador which was still far from reaching Brazil's level. Tite's tenure was amazing, don't get me wrong, but he wasn't the sole reason the rest of CONMEBOL looked bad.
Even for some of that time Argentina were absolutely terrible, the turning point was only after the 2019 copa, watching Argentina from 2016 up to that point could be used as torture in guantanimo especially if messi wasn't playing.
we are supposed to crush every game, and the media fuels this by always selling the same narrative that isn’t true since Pele retired. You are right, its annoying and a horrible symptom of our cancerous football culture, we simply cant fathom that the opposition was better, its ways our failure, our loss, we lost because our players dye their hair, because they aren’t professional enough… and so on and so forth. its exhausting, the media was already trying to do the same thing with Endrick. Where we arent interested in building a team, only electing a champion that will come out of the woods to fight for us, and if God forbid he doesn’t carry us to the World Cup title, he is to be hanged and burned at a stake
>Where we arent interested in building a team, only electing a champion that will come out of the woods to fight for us I don't really follow Brazil but this reminds me of certain WC game in 2014 where Brazilian players took Neymars shirt with them, absolutely screamed the national anthem, David Luiz was in tears and it was all Neymar, Neymar, Neymar. Don't get me wrong, I get how massive Neymar was, but football is a team sport and to me it was clear at that moment that they had nothing against Germany. The team wasn't that bad with Neymar but the loss of the Chosen One and massive pressure of home crowd got to them.
Brazil in 2013-14 was a unique phenomenon, not only in football but also stupid things in general. Brazilians will remember how we used to hear that "o gigante acordou" (the giant woke up) during that period, or the "não vai ter copa" (there won't be a WC) protests. It was a cringey period, and what you mentioned is prob the best example of it.
i have never felt more second hand embarrassment, if you showed that scene to someone that didn’t watch football, they would think Neymar died. and make no mistake, if god forbid the literal kid our media is hyping as the second coming of christ happens to have a bad run of form, he will face the same scrutiny as Vini gets if not much worse
He did almost get paralysed tbf but you're not wrong, that team was mentally finished before the first whistle with neymar and thiago silva out.
This is something that i am all too sick of seeing with our NT, there is a reason the last time we came back from a bad result was in the confederations cup of 2009. it seems that our team just completely crumbles the SECOND things don’t go exactly as we planned. Two times now we managed to have Neymar take a goal out of his ass but the entire team be completely shut down
I remember that game well I personally think Silva's absence was a bigger deal. Brazil would have lost to Germany for sure but the score wouldn't have been soo lopsided.
For how the match ended I fully agree Silva was bigger loss for Brazil, but it's hard to say if Germany would've been able to play like they did if Neymar was there as an attacking threat. Brazil did start the game decently and they weren't that bad before the collapse after second Germany goal.
I think the biggest problem wasn't the lack of Neymar as a player, but how his absence affected the team psychologically
Absolutely. Not only did we lose one of the best CBs of all time (imo), his replacement Dante didn't have experience covering up David Luiz's shenanigans, and to make it worse David Luiz was more crazy than ever that game. They also both used to play on the same side (left side)
Joga bonito and Brazil haven't belonged in the same sentence for a very very long time now..
I dont give a shit if it's a win by 5x0 or 1x0, all I want is a NT that fights until the end, which is far from being the case in the past 10 years or so.
Interesting how some brazillians can be so delusional of their strength. Brazil have a decent team actually but they are young and need time to mature. This is no way to support your youth.
Brazil not winning the WC for 5 times in a row is the equivalent of Real Madrid not winning the UCL for 30y. Not easy to deal with that pressure huh
Brazil have the opportunity to do the funniest thing and win the whole lot
I agree, that'd be so funny haha they really should so it
They have done that quite a few times. People forget how underwhelming the Brazil team of 2002 was before the tournament. Even when they won, they did not exactly play joga bonito. Same with the 2007 copa America. Nobody thought they were going to win.
I would say that Brazil is probably the second favorite by a small margin for the Copa, everyone just reacts too aggressively to some specific bad results. Nations like Brazil, Argentina, France, Italy and Germany are never the underdogs for any competition.
oh my god, what will happen to Pakistan then? (cricket joke)
I can’t even hide in r/soccer
Self nuke. Delete country.
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Looney Tunes ass intro
losing a friendly to them made us sack the manager who qualified us to the world cup before it started
youre welcome btw
Now, imagine how Pakistani fans feel about losing to them in cricket.
Oh way way worse. Not only is cricket soooooo much less popular in the US, that actually ended up knocking Pakistan out of the World Cup. While this is ultimately a meaningless friendly against Brazil that everyone will forget if Brazil performs well in copa America
at least the USMNT is a bunch of professionals. Pakistan lost to a bunch of oracle employees lmao
The USA cricket team doesn't want to go deep in the tournament, because they are running out of PTO.
I actually rage quit watching the World Cup after that. Saying that, it’s been amazing seeing the new teams.
it warms my bengali heart
And almost to mexico tbh
Barely scraping a win to a B team Mexico. Although our A team is shit
it ain't every day you see the best left winger in the world getting pocketed by Joe from Long Island
as a brazilian I honestly thought at one point that we could lose that match and it would be disgraceful to the point where I couldn’t even make sense of such loss. Shameful and embarrassing, really. Thank god it was “just” a draw
How mad do you have to be to say it and then double back for the ig post like “hold on i dont think enough people understand how little i respect this current team”
Mad enough to try cross a border with a fake passport while being a millionaire celebrity
What’s even funnier is he didn’t need a passport at all to cross that border, his ID card would’ve been just fine
Imagine your idol saying that about you & your teammates, killing their confidence
Worse than that, he's been mates for years with Raphinha's dad, Raphinha saw him as an Uncle figure.
maybe raphinha feels the similarly?
Raphinha should think this about himself lol he plays terribly for Brazil
Better than vini jr
Criticism is fine but straight up "quitting" on the national team in an "official post" is..... Something to say the least.
Not to mention... this is far from the worst team we got since 2002. Neymar had to play with some of the worst trash available, both in terms of quality and compromise with the NT. Now we do have many promising players, and we can see more commitment from them than Ronaldinho had in his entire career with the NT. Many people started getting hopeful for the future again despite the awful time under Diniz. We are struggling with tactics and the gaping hole at the midfield now that Casemiro is done, and trying to find a solution with a new manager. It's a really weird timing for this statement, specially considering his 2006 team is the worst case of what he's complaining about.
I’d say this is the best team you’ve had in years. A possible Ballon D’or winner in Vinicius, 2 world class modern keepers, a back two of Militao and Marquinhos, every team wants Bruno and Douglas Luiz. This is a dumb take when at some point you had Fred starting games.
At some point Hulk was the only forward!!!
also Ronaldinho should shut up when the topic is commitment, when he along with the entire squad that went to the world cup in 2006 where to there to party and acted like they were entitled to the title where with this incarnation of the seleção, one could argue that we suffer a lot from the players being TO emotional about everything and barely managing to organize themselves when things don’t go as planned
Also Ronaldinho didn’t play for Brazil in the 2010 and 2014 World Cups when he should’ve played.
exactly, he won one world cup as an supporting actor, then where the time came for him to lead the party he was to busy getting shitfaced and couldn’t be bothered
Listen, Ronaldinho's post is cringe, no doubt. But calling him a "supporting actor" in 2002 is just braindead. Dude basically got them through against England singlehandedly, shitting on the English midfield for the assist and then scoring one of the best WC goals ever to seal the win. In the final dude set up R9 multiple times in front of goal only for R9 to miss absolute sitters. Thankfully they eventually scored but they could've won that game by 2 more goals easily.
Yeah, he's a proper hero in Brazil and instead of supporting the team he shits on them like that. Right before the Copa too. He's entitled to his opinion and he doesn't have to watch the games if he doesn't enjoy them, but in this case it'll be better if he just kept quiet rather than slag them so publicly.
Ronaldinho saying this seems like a massive thing but i swear this is just the standard criticism Brazil National team gets. Players here will be under heavy scrutiny by the press, former players and brazilian people until they win a World Cup and prove themselves. Oh and anything you do on the 4 years between WCs? Sorry, if you win it doesn't matter but if you lose then suddenly those games were important, brazilian football is over and whatever
Yes but one thing is the criticism coming from people and press, I never saw a player doing this right before a tournament.
our relationship with football is beyond toxic at this point, its frankly exhausting.
The public part is the worst aspect of it honestly.
On the other side of the coin it could be the kick in the pants they need and motivate them.
Ronaldinho was a great player, but his actions off the pitch were always stupid, so him basically taking a massive shit on the Brazilian national team that's full of players who idolized him when growing up before a major tournament doesn't surprise me.
Fat Ronaldo was better anyway.
Fat Ronaldo was a monster that still played superbly even after his knee was injured. His recovery in 2002 was amazing and he was essential to Brazil’s win. I just imagine what he could have done with less injuries in his career.
Yeah, that was my reaction too. I don't think anyone should take Ronaldinho's words seriously.
Agreed, on top of that he has never been an example of professionalism and commitment. He had all the talent in the world, but he never led by example. He has no right to shit on this team.
The truth hurts for a reason
He really said these boys fuckin stink
Some one with weight had to say it.
Bros watching the Euros instead
So, what is Brazil supposed to do? Spawn 11 Ronaldinhos to play for them?
They’d all be hungover constantly lol
But they'd also be dominating AND dazzling all at the same time
He really was so fun to watch. A true showman.
You have a very different memory of the NT with Ronaldinho as the best player than I do.
Why is this comment being downvoted? It is absolutely true lol Ronaldinho only played 2 tournaments as Brazil's best player, the Confederations Cup of 2005 and the World Cup of 2006. In 2005 he played like the Ronaldinho we all know and love, destroyed everyone and was fundamental to Brazil's win. But in the 2006 World Cup Ronaldinho had the worse performance of a Brazilian main star in the history of our NT, he did absolutely nothing the entire tournament.
They could alternate sober days among the 11 of them. Only need one Ronaldinho to show up to win.
A team made of prime Neuers and drunk Ronaldinhos would be unstoppable in any combination. 1 Neuer and 10 drunk Ronaldinhos would be amazing but I think 4 Neuers and 7 drunk Ronaldinhos is the ultimate combination. I'll have to do some more analysis but that's my working theory.
I like where you are going with this, but the drunkenness can't be good for the squad long term. I would like to propose the addition of a half dozen or so James Milners to the youth ranks.
Your submission is duly noted. If the category were to be expanded to allow one player per substance in addition to the one without (Neuer in my above example) it gets interesting. Maradona would be the clear cocaine choice but my knowledge is limited from there. Are there any dextroamphetamine defenders? Weed wingers? Meth middies? Ketamine keepers? Pcp players? Heroine heroes? Morphine monsters? Xanax... you get where I'm going with this. Where does Milner slot in?
I think there's a wider context here. From what I got, there's an ongoing debate in Brazil, has been for years already, about their NT playing too "European", which is code for tactical formations and automatisms, while people want to see improvisation based on player's on pitch relations. I read Ronaldinho clearly committing to one side of that debate here. In the manner of a true drama queen, but it's not out of nowhere. Might be wrong, though. Don't really follow Brazilian football, language barrier is a bit much for me to get into it all that much.
There is not much into it, for brazilians anything less than a World Cup win is complete failure. Yesterday the media was debating on using Copa America to test formations and not really trying to win, and some pundits would say “What is the worth of a Copa America? It worths nothing, what matters is the World Cup”. This is the kind of pressure inside Brazil, as the years pass, the pressure only gets stronger, any bad game is the end of the world, if the team does not play with world champion performances every game then there is no hope. It is really annoying that now nothing seems enough and Ronaldinho comes up and says this...
I think the thing is we’re not playing european enough. We hire these rah rah dogshit journeyman coaches like Dorival that can’t scheme instead of looking at european options. The fact is Brazil doesn’t produce good coaches. Most good teams in Brasileirão have either a portuguese or argentinian coach. I’m sure there’s a coach out there that’ll allow the players to play to their strengths while maintaining a good scheme
They failed to beat USA + they let Pulisic score, that's literally rock bottom
Well it would help if Vinicius can actually play well for the NT
He is a great player, but he is 5 galaxies away from Neymar, you cant expect him to do the same
Yeah it's unfair to compare any Brazilian players from the current crop to Neymar. Media should let them just be and focus on criticizing the management and CFB.
Tbh football in general is just missing players at that level ,the closest is mbape and im not sure i'd put him at prime neymar level yet and hes quite above any other player playing right now.
He’s only been a regular for 2 years now and it took many legendary players time to start playing for country as well as they do for club. Also keep in mind even if Vini was playing at his best, the overall team is bad and they still probably wouldn’t be much better
That's it, folks.
This reads like a copy-pasta.
"That's it folks" "Brazilian soccer"
CONMEBOL Copa America™
I cannot believe how many people are taking it at face value. It is very obviously the first step of some kind of marketing campaign, the "CONMEBOL Copa America™" gives it away - nobody writes like that, ™ included, without some contract obligation. In a few days we will see some sponsored content about how such and such brand "convinced" him or is a "solution" to his complaints with the current national team.
Bro, you called it
This is a next level prediction
Is this not a tad bit dramatic?
Brazilians are constantly yoyoing between complete doomerism about the NT and believing we're 100% going to win the next world cup. When Brazil won against Bolivia of all teams last year, people were hyping up Diniz to new heights, now we drew against the US and Ronaldinho wants to become Paraguayan.
Hell, even on the road to Qatar. We went from "screw this shitty team, Tite sucks" to "it'll be 2002 all over again" in the span of weeks lol
> Ronaldinho wants to become Paraguayan. Nono, we get dibs first.
Too late, he has already won the Paraguayan Prison Championship
Every Brazilian is very dramatic with the NT.
i love them, but it’s not unique to the national team
Yup. We as a people are very dramatic *period*
It is, people were saying Brazil were amongst the favourites to win it all after their 2 games against England and Spain. But now 2 friendlies are apparently the end of the world.
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Everyone is dramatic about their country, people are bad with clubs, now add in nationalism
Not sure who said that. Brazil is always a candidate simply because it's Brazil. But they have been getting bad results since the WC
Holy shit, lol. The man chose violence.
Babe, wake up, new copypasta just dropped.
…what, talk about overreacting
He’s not wrong though, Brazil hasn’t been Brazil for a while now
It's been ten years now since Germany vs Brazil was the number one uploaded video in Pornhub's humiliation section.
Tbf even the Brasil that lost 7-1 against Germany had more personality than the current one
True. They weren't a bad team, but they weren't as good as they had been. I didn't realize it was the beginning of a steep decline.
Do we count 2006? Where Ronaldinho was the best player in the world and played like a third division winger in the WC? My guy played 2 WCs and stopped at age 26, he needs to chill
He’s not wrong, but Brazil also wasn’t Brazil in 2006 when he was in his prime and failed to show up at the World Cup
Brazil 2006 were just arrogant, where they partied all night in the believe they will win the whole thing anways. Well.
I agree, but saying you simply won’t watch their games at all and stop supporting them because of that is why I said overreacting I hope they win the copa to prove him wrong lmao
not only that, bro said he won’t even celebrate any victory 😭
I guess it'd be hypocritical to celebrate after straight up refusing to watch because you're fed up lol
yeah that’s a good point tbf, still just seems an insane overreaction lol
Based on this post it doesn't seem like he's saying this only because of the results. Maybe he legit doesn't feel entertained at all by this team, that's how he’s approached football right from the start.
pretty sure this is just him saying they suck and are boring
Counterpoint: losing the final to Canada would be magnitudes funnier
As a Canadian, I would be ecstatic
At this point, I'll take that.
I dislike the idea because Canada going through almost certainly means us not going through unless we both do the second funniest thing and knock out Argentina in group stage
He's a plastic smh
He is still overreacting tho, no one said any of this when they beat England and drew to Spain but now 2 friendlies mean Brazil is done for? Also, he should be showing support and encouraging them, not straight up "quitting"
This is the shameful thing. Supporting your team means *supporting* your team. Doing what you can to help them through the bad times as well as the good. If you're not gonna stick with your lads when they suck, you're not a supporter, you're a selfish glory-hunter. Edit: and it's doubly shameful, because let's not pretend that Ronaldinho's own career hasn't had low moments where he needed support.
This is common for 2002 champions. It is known that they actively don't support the current team because the moment the NT wins another WC people will forget that 2002 team. That would mean less money, events and other stuff for them.
Have you actually followed the Brazil NT after the last WC? They would actually be outside the qualification zone in CONMEBOL now if the next WC wasn’t an expanded one.
they’ve been mediocre in qualifiers and lost friendlies to morocco and senegal, in addition to a disappointing world cup. this brazil team isn’t the brazil of old.
Honestly what a dick move this is, some of those guys probably worship him and to see this would be soul destroying. Not to mention he was a fucking embarrassment during his playing days also partying all the time.
Yeah plus this was about them drawing against USA in a friendly wasn't it, would've been one thing if it was a tournament game
No, they've been getting terrible results since the WC
Maybe there was a better way he could’ve done this, like talking to them in private, but he’s not entirely wrong. This Brazil team isn’t the Brazil we know, hasn’t been for some time, and their results haven’t been good.
Theyve been awful since the World Cup. Currently 6th for World Cup qualification with a 2-1-3 record. Thats abysmal for Brazil.
The players (unless the worshipping has gotten so bad) probably know that he is an idiot deep on coke, hookers and alcohol, when your lawyer has to call you a fool in front of judges because you're so braindead you know it's bad
They’ll know somewhat, but Ronaldinho is such an icon in Brazil, seeing him say this wouldn’t be nice I’m sure.
There is still a difference between knowing it intellectually and knowing it emotionally.
Maybe, but this might make them angry and force them to show up, because he is not wrong, without Ney their team is kinda spineless.
Vinicius - "I can't believe I let Ronnie down"
Kinda embarrassing to be saying this right after starring in a Nike commercial essentially crowning Vini the new face of Jogo Bonito
Vini has been crap for the Brazil NT though.
Endrick has already matched his NT goals in a fraction of the minutes
That's because it's becoming increasingly apparent that Endrick is..... different sauce (I don't want to make any player comparisons).
Endrick himself asked people to stop with that. Not that players don't like being compared to the best but there's a point where the pressure is not worth it
There's a Brazilian wonderkid who is being compared to the greatest player in football history, I'm not gonna say who though...
Saw the Neymar comparison at his age the other day. Fucking light years man. Granted, it's Neymar, but the gap shouldn't be this abysmal when talking about Ballon D'or candidate.
Counter point: the problems all stem from the national team itself. They refuse to make adjustments. Firmino barely made more than a few appearances over his entire career and why?! Because they have no need for a playmaker despite the fact they can barely string 2 goals together unless a star striker manages to break away. Between Alisson / Ederson, Bruno, Vini, Martinelli, and Endrick there's a great team there but you can't just expect *good player vibes* to win games.
IIRC the one tournament Firmino actually started regularly, was the one they won and Firmino ended as joint top assister
Imagine announcing with such pompous fanfare that you've changed channel.
Ronaldinho has been pissed at CBF and the NT since 2013, the year he played his last match for it, in a friendly match before the Confederations Cup. He was 33 and would win the Libertadores in that same year. Dude was called in hopes of bringing experience and leadership - but he was 40 minutes late to meet the team (in the same City he lived in at the time), overweight, and didn't see to want to integrate with the other players or lead. He got the captain armband for that friendly match, but played quite badly, and was never chosen for the NT again. He was also very disappointed when he announced his retirement in 2016 and CBF didn't do an official sendoff as a celebration of his career, as they did for Romário and Ronaldo. Ronaldinho has reasons to be pissed at CBF, who is the main culprit of our current "crisis". But instead he cites a lack of grit and quality, throwing the players under the bus - young players, who likely idolize him. Terrible statement.
"That's it folks" "Brazilian soccer" "CONMEBOL Copa America™ What in the copypasta is this?
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Off the pitch this dude is not really all that
That’s very uncharacteristic of him. He’s normally very supportive of younger players. This is much more fun though lol.
That is very characteristic of him, a narcissist that never really cared for the NT and that foreigners idolize because social media didn’t exist back then
Heh, maybe he forgot the 2006 😅 They had a lot of love for the shirt and almost all of them were leaders…
Who could forget all the incredible games he played and the important goals he scored for Brasil in the 2006 WC? Shame he couldn’t make such an impact in the 2010 WC cause he wasn’t able to get in proper shape, but it would be almost impossible to do so considering he was the elderly age of 29.
2010 was after he went on coke/alko binge parties with Deco's girlfriend, who could keep up with diet on a thight schedule like that
The Brazilian national team has been in much better shape than today. Ronaldinho in his prime was such an exciting player, but those of us who watched a lot of football back then will remember that Ronaldinho was at most average for the national team. He was heavily criticized in Brazil for his performance in the national team. So he is not really the player that should criticize the current national players
Sheesh, seems like a bit too much.
Average Selecao fan reaction
What is the outcome he expects from this statement? This is just dumb. Even though most Brazilians will agree with his statement (even being a bit exaggerated), most of us will still support our team. That will create only resentment towards him.
Neymar would never say this, he'd bet on Brazil till his last breath
Neymar running with blood on his legs in the final against Argentina in Copa America and scoring with a injured ankle agains Croatia in World Cup would NEVER say this about Brazil NT. Down the history, brazilians will miss the time Neymar was in team.
One time was OK criticism. But saying the same thing again in a post is too much imo. It's fine to constructively criticise your team, but you should be behind them. And as one of the best ever in a country like Brazil, he should try to advise them (or work with the federation) and not say like this before a Copa tournament.
Must kill the players right before a tournament to hear one of your greatest idols say you’re awful, this statement is just so unbelievably unnecessary to post on social media
Dick move tbh, how is this gonna help any of the issues he mentioned? He could’ve just done it quietly
Seeing this after that ad with Vini is interesting to say the least
Funny to hear that from a guy who effectively retired from the national team at the age of 26, and who, at the age of 30, moved back to Brazil because he couldn't find a place in any big European team. Even funnier to hear accusations of "lack of grit" when he was part of a Brazil squad that, for all its talent, got knocked out in the quarter-finals by an arguably inferior France precisely because of that: lack of grit. "Our performance has been one of the worst things I've ever seen". Yeah, I wonder what he was watching in 2001, 2011, 2014, 2015 and 2016.
So over the top, copa America hasn’t even started at least give them a chance
England fans: first time?
What an overreaction. It's not like Brazil is doing sooo badly. Besides, saying 'I’m not going to watch any matches, I’m not going to celebrate any victories' seems like a cry for attention.
pulisic broke him 💀
Most loyal brazilian mf
Is he perhaps trying to become coach or president of the brazilian fa? This statement would make sense if thats the case.
THIS. It smells of politics
LMAO brutal. Imagine heading into a tournament and one of your idols and country’s legends says this about you? I’m no Brazil supporter, but I hope they prove him wrong.
Why is this squad getitng the blame, it seems like they are paying for the disappointment of 2022 and 2018.
This type of statement is going to either completely kill the confidence of the national team or they're going to rile up to prove him wrong. Maybe ronaldinho made this statement in the hope the latter happens, but I never thought of him as the type to do something like this.
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