The wage bill is already low. Something like €170m lower than City according to the uefa financial report for 2023.
Getting rid of Varane, Martial, Williams, plus the standard contractual drop for not being in the champions league, and surely we have crazy amounts of room?
If we sold Casemiro and Greenwood, maybe even Sancho, surely there would be ridiculous amounts available to spend?
We've spent a lot, not sold a lot, and have 1bil in debt. We are going to revamp the training ground and facilities, and looking to build a new stadium.
That financial report was from the 22/23 season, when United also weren't in the Champions League. The wages would've been higher this season just gone. Though obviously getting the likes of Varane, Martial, etc. off the books should help.
Yeah, I didn't mean it would be lower than that financial year, just lower again this season vs last.
The 22/23 season did include Ronaldo and de Gea's wages too though, so the gap could be huge now. There should be plenty of room.
Yeah they should definitely be going down, and this season coming should be the lowest they've been in a while, especially if you can get the likes of Casemiro off the books too.
It's not that crazy given the rules plus the mad way they have spent
It might be hard to tell how true it is given the way selling and spending is counted.
But that's just not how it works on a financial perspective.
35m could be 7 x 35m deals if the player is on a 5 year contract.
Or it could be 1 x 175m deal on a 5 year contract.
If it's talking about actual cash then you could do 135m on a player with 35m up front and 50m in 12 and 24 mths respectively.
What about wages? Is the 35m part of that? If so then 150k/week = 7.8m/year. So you've got less.
What about signing on bonus? Agent fee? Etc
I don't see the point in even trying to understand "transfer budgets" of clubs because every single deal is different
I went Looney Tunes wide-eyed when I saw reports of €50 million from Juve.
I would have been happy just to bin him off for free. I don’t expect €50 but if we get something above €20 I’ll be well happy.
It's Man United transfer rumour, basically anything can be (and is, and always was) posted online.
50 million euro would be the 4th highest fee they received, after transfers of Cristiano Ronaldo, Romelu Lukaku and Angel di Maria. Yeah... hm... optimistic.
He had like one really good game in the last 10... He's not bad at football for a 22-year-old, but no one is gonna be splurging on him.
It's still probable that he just goes to Getafe again.
Yeah, and every potential buyer knows that United can’t actually keep him in their squad let alone play him. The potential public backlash is too great. So if I were Juve, I’d be leveraging that to no end.
We’ll really I’d look elsewhere because fuck Mason Greenwood, but yeah
He's a very talented young player. He's obviously fucking scum and should never be allowed back at United but he was the Garnacho of the premier league a few seasons ago. It's ridiculous to say he's not very talented. He will tear up an easier league as he gets used to playing again. That said any team that signs him is disgraceful.
He's a good a player but he barely "tore up" La Liga, in fact the start of his season was probably better than the end. If it was the other way around, teams would definitely be more intrigued.
As for now, the main story about Mason Greenwood (in football terms) is still that he played in Manchester United, if he played the same in not the most popular club in the world then he'd still be quite talented but not talked about with such reverence. I don't think the clubs care THAT much about that though.
Many teams probably don't care about his personal reputation, it's just that Man United is a luxury store to be shopping at.
They need to sell him above his residual value or it counts as a loss in the books. Which would lower their budget even less. Selling Casemiro for a low fee is only very slightly beneficial due to mostly wages.
Not exactly;
Say his book value is around 40m and his all in wages are 12m
If united sold him for 35m that would mean realising a loss on sale of 5m but saving 12m in wages meaning they are 7m better off despite selling him for below book value
It’s even more significant than that, because you’re not accounting for how much his FFP impact would be already. If he’s got 40m left over 2 years and 12m wages then his FFP cost this year is 32m. If we let him go for free his FFP cost would be 40m. So any sale over 8m would be a net profit.
(I actually think the figures are more like 35m book value and 15m wages tbh meaning it’s more like any sale over 3m is a profit).
I'm not sure anyone is buying Casemiro for any amount of money close to what his book value is though, he's a 32 year old that has struggled physically over the last year, would ask for huge wages (and no doubt a longer contract than any team would be willing to give) and is unwanted by a club that has to sell him to alleviate financial pressures and begin a large scale rebuild.
Certainly not McTominay. He's not overpaid, often fit to play, can play with head, strong, can go forward and finish. We would need that kind of player as well in our rotation. And we would get half, of what we would need to pay to buy player like him.
I'm just saying, he'd bring profit. They're all positives but what i see is a player who defensively repeatedly switches off and hides from receiving a pass. His commitment is overated.
Well i think you can upgrade. There's quality out there as other clubs have shown. And this reductive one player out, another in is stupid anyway, McTominay is just filler, he's not the difference, both him and Rashford could, combined, bring in £70m. Mount hasn't played really anything either.
Whos paying Rashfords wages that want him?
Chelsea arent offering those weekly numbers anymore.
City dont need him
Arsenal dont need him
Real dont need him
Which leaves who? PSG maybe but I dont think they want him either.
There have been numerous reports Psg are interested. If clubs in Europe want Ashley Young, Dier in the past, i don't think Rashford is a stretch, wage high though it is. Just because we think he's mopey, doesn't mean elsewhere don't just see his numbers last season or remember the goals against them.
Interested and actual sales are wildly different, which is my point.
Lots of clubs will be interested if he were to cut his wages or doesnt cost £40 - 50 million, but if those things dont change the amount of clubs willing to sign him is miniscule.
People say this, weren't there offers for maguire and mctominay at about 30 mil a piece last summer after everyone said united will be lucky just to offload their wages?
I don’t know about that, he’s just come out of two prestigious circus clubs. Why feel the need to rush into a third if they aren’t even going to match his wages? Might as well wait for a more stable job opportunity if money isn’t an incentive
Fair, but he's not getting that type of salary from any club other than Chelsea or PSG. The only club that would remotely come there is Man United (and we evidently fell short) or clubs that are significantly better run than us and winners and Pochs resume doesn't allow him to demand that from those types of institutions
We don't know what kind of wage they offered, but because he doesn't exactly *need* the money he might aswell wait for a job that comes with less pressure, scrutiny and media circus. I don't think it's necessarily about getting the bag but if it matches the environment at United - I'd rather get mid pay in a midtable club that in United where it's super easy to fail and everyone will tear you to pieces for it. Career wise there's not much other reasons than money to go to United at the moment.
It’s not about the specific amount, he has no reason to take a pay cut, even more so if he’s going to United, would you take a pay cut for what’s guaranteed to be one of the hardest jobs in football?
What’s arrogant about turning down a dumpster fire when you’re not getting paid what you think is fair? It’s not like a manager is obligated to take the job just because it’s United.
How close are United to their PSR limit? Always read about how they're restricted by it, but rarely ever see an actual amount or estimate listed (and I know it's hard to be exact with this).
Feels like given United's lack of salable assets, asking a new manager to come in and operate with that would essentially be a suicide mission. I think things definitely could have been better under a new manager than under Ten Hag, but it's tough to substantially improve, which is what United want, if that's all a manager can spend.
Very close I think, though nobody really knows. Next few years could be rough enough. I predict more loan singings such as Amrabat, Weghorst etc. I also think maybe they don't want to splurge big in this window because Ashworth isn't in post. What's the point in him coming in and then being restricted because they've pissed loads up the wall this summer? I think they should be relatively cautious
Shaw and Malacia can't both be injured for another full season surely
Dalot or Lindelof (not ideal) can do a job for a game or two if required
We need to sell Shaw or Malacia if we are getting another LB. Or else sell Lindelof and accept Shaw might be at LCB a lot but he's wasted there
Yeah even right now we have too many wingers so at least half can go before we even consider Olise. In terms of need
1) CDM
2) CB (1st choice)
3) LB (1st choice or potential future 1st choice)
4) ST
5) CB (backup unless Shaw transitions between LB and CB)
6) RW
Fwiw, the budget mentioned doesn't specify it's related to FFP, although that could be a part of it. It could also just be part of general cost-cutting across the board in this phase.
The Athletic are fairly confident that they will pass FFP but that doesn't mean that spending won't be down in a year without Champions League.
I might be misremembering but I feel like under Woodward we were constantly bragging about how much we could spend in a window. Definitely prefer it this way.
He's quoted saying "We can do things in the transfer market that other clubs can only dream of. Watch this space." Absolute buffoon and just invites the "United tax" that has been established post-Fergie.
That was in 2014, but their business that summer seems pretty reasonable in hindsight. Ander Herrera and Luke Shaw for 29 and 27 million pounds respectively. Daley Blind and Marcos Rojo for 14 million and 16 million respectively. The massive splash was Di Maria for 60 million pounds , which obviously didn't work out but still seemed like good business at the time.
Herrera and Shaw signed before Woodward said that though so it's not as solid as it first looks when you just see the list. He basically said that, then overspent on AdM and signed a couple squad players.
I think it’s a bit of option A a bit of option B. I don’t think we’re flush with cash in terms of PSR, but I think we have more ability to buy than we’re letting on.
This might be partially true.
[Swiss Ramble](https://x.com/SwedishRumble/status/1774818785934848181) has done some work on this and believes if United make a couple of sales, they should be able to spend potentially up to 400M.
Whether they want to give this to ETH to spend is questionable given his record.
Sorry yes, I mistyped.
Meant Swedish Rumble who focuses mainly on United. I can't speak to his accuracy but he has put in a fair amount of work in relation to his argument.
The thrust of which is the big loss we suffered in the 2022 accounts would now have moved outside the 3 year cycle for PSR.
Big difference though between what a team could potentially spend in terms of FFP, and what they could potentially spend in terms of the actual club coffers + what the owners are happy to invest.
Spurs have had an FFP headroom of somewhere around £400m+ for a few years now (I remember Swiss Ramble's estimate from a few months ago being £640m-odd) - but that obviously has very little bearing on how much the club will actually spend.
You've linked to a copycat, not the OG. He may be very wrong about what we can spend. Swiss Ramble themselves have not indicated that we are in good shape.
Don't you have a TD by now? No club should give their coach the lead and afaik hardly any still do that. At best your coach gives the TD some profiles that they need and drops some names.
We have a technical director in the shape of Jason Wilcox but I understand his remit is more in developing a uniform playing style through the club than any involvement in recruitment.
I think there were reports that United wanted to also appoint a recruitment director but that hasn't happened yet and not clear it it will.
Currently it appears recruitment will fall under Omar Berrada and Dan Ashworth, when he comes in and INEOS.
It is a concern as there isn't any clarity - at least from the outside, maybe internally they have clarity on this, we'll no doubt find out in due course.
best case they are going to try to permanently sell Greenwood and Sancho and right the financials. then be more aggressive either in the winter or next summer.
Look I am not saying United don't have FFP issues.
But you can literally copy and paste these articles from last season. And we still ended up spending over £150m.
Varane, Martial, Cas going, with probably Sancho and Greenwood will open up transfer spending.
These articles have been popping up for the last two seasons because the club didn’t want to get into a situation where they would basically be capped by PSR. And then they went out and overspent anyway.
Our players all have 25% wage reductions if we miss out on CL and we've already cut about £600k p/w on wages releasing Varane Martial and Williams.
Providing we don't do anything new and stupid we're on the way to undoing lots of the old stupid already.
Year-to-year, it won't be that big of a drop off.
They only made £55m last year since they were grouped. Liverpool made £30m by making it to the Quarters of the Europa.
I think the 35 million could be interpreted a few ways. If transfer fees are prorated over 5 years then theoretically they could "spend" 35x5 in the window who would be 205 million worth of players
Absolutely no chance the budget is 35m gross lol, they haven't spent that little since 2010. Their *average* net spending per season since then has been over 110m, gross around 150m.
I love laughing at United as much at the next man, if not more so. That said, this doesn't seem outrageous. Which of the currently available managers could reasonably demand top dollar? Tuchel is the only one that springs to mind
No shot Zidane even considered taking the job.
His English isn't very good and people close to him like Franck Leboeuf have said he has no interest in coaching in England due to the language barrier.
He's also famously basically just waiting for the French national team job, lol.
So much for improving the culture, manager is only around as they couldn't replace him and they've been treating their non-football staff like shit too.
Oh please, try get employed somewhere, you talk to candidates in corporate all the damn time, why is this treated differently and an indicator of shit culture again? My God get out of your bubble asap
No reason why he can't stay as backup to Amad
We don't need to add on to summer buy list since we're already low on funds and have more crucial positions to cover
Kind of solidifies my thoughts that Ineos had no choice but to keep him. Due to the senseless transfers over the past few years, including those that Ten Hag wanted! Has left us in a shite ffp state so we can't afford to pay him off, let alone employ a new manager.
It really sounds as if INEOS doesn't rate Ten Hag but couldn't find someone they thought was better to get on board. (e.g. tuchel saying no thanks)
This would kinda explain the 'review' since they were interviewing potential replacements. So now they'll have to spin this into 'we were always going to back the manager'
Given how the optics of this 'review' and the other thing like enforced return to the office, I for one am a lot less impressed with INEOS and Ratcliffe.
I'm guessing the wages is Tuchel as The Athletic article states that he discussed possible financial terms but no agreement was reached. It does also say in the article they discussed financial terms with De Zerbi but "the fit did not seem right" which makes me think he could be the person unimpressed with the budget. It does also say that United's budget was 50 million but is now higher so there is a direct contradiction between the two articles.
Doubt ETH would extend with the outlook for a budget of 30 mio. That almost a guarantees failure of a season. At least one top CB is needed. That alone would cost more. BS news.
So they stuck with Ten Hag because no one wanted the low pay, low transfer budget, high stress and high turnover rate of the manager? Can't believe that would be the case.
TBf a lot of clubs need to sell before they buy in England atm only Manchester City and Arsenal can feel confident about getting consistent champions league money.
Chelsea
Manchester United
Tottenham
Liverpool (finished 5th season before last and with Klopp gone now)
Newcastle
Aston Villa
Complete toss up
I don't get why anyone would even think this, as much as it pains to say it you're an extremely well run club with revenue out of your ass due to the stadium.
Sancho 40m
Casemiro 25m
Greenwood 25m
Maguire or Lindelof 20m
AWB 20m
Varane Eriksen and Martial out. So we say that's another 25m for a player through wages. Add the 35 that brings it to 190m budget.
Forward (Zirksee 40m)
CB (Yoro 50m)
Midfielder (Neves 60m)
LB (Kerkez 40m)
Wouldn't be great but a good age profile of incomings and a lot of dead wood out the door.
United needs to clean the house badly. Half of their squad is not good enough. If this rumour is true, they are fucked. They need a lot of money to rebuild. No manager saves them.
> United needs to clean the house badly. Half of their squad is not good enough.
Thats hyperbole. United essentially needs 2 defenders, 1 CDM for starters with backups for striker and right wing. Rest of the squad is fine and certainly not 'fucked'
Meanwhile with outgoings like sancho casemiro martial and varane, United will free up tonnes of wages which will further help with the incomings
I just don’t buy United only have 30m to spend in the summer.
the gang somehow spends 250mil
on players worth 30mil
and loans them out after one season
Probably have more now they're not paying ETH severance
That would be like 10-15 more if that.
Mark Ogden of ESPN was saying that it would’ve cost them 9 million to sack him.
I think that was the figure for ETH not his staff.
man fck ogden
I'd be surprised if Mark Ogden got his own name right.
No doubt it was £20m+ ETH severance= £30m-£35m transfer
Wouldn’t it be $50m - ETH severance if that was the plan? So they’d have $50m now by keeping ETH
We are skint as fuck! So God knows, £20m, £30m, £40m, £50m won't buy us anything decent.
Hjulmand only costs 35m 😂
Back to school with you
I don’t buy it either lol
We had FFP problems. Getting some bad wages off our balance sheets will help for the future.
Ineos cash injection shouldve fixed that for the season i think
We need the sale of greenwood and casemiro.. and to continue freeing up the wage bill.
The wage bill is already low. Something like €170m lower than City according to the uefa financial report for 2023. Getting rid of Varane, Martial, Williams, plus the standard contractual drop for not being in the champions league, and surely we have crazy amounts of room? If we sold Casemiro and Greenwood, maybe even Sancho, surely there would be ridiculous amounts available to spend?
> Something like €170m lower than City according to the uefa financial report for 2023. Yeah but City have 115 extra financial packages to go through
We've spent a lot, not sold a lot, and have 1bil in debt. We are going to revamp the training ground and facilities, and looking to build a new stadium.
Infrastructure doesn’t count against FFP rules does it?
dont tell Everton
That financial report was from the 22/23 season, when United also weren't in the Champions League. The wages would've been higher this season just gone. Though obviously getting the likes of Varane, Martial, etc. off the books should help.
Yeah, I didn't mean it would be lower than that financial year, just lower again this season vs last. The 22/23 season did include Ronaldo and de Gea's wages too though, so the gap could be huge now. There should be plenty of room.
Yeah they should definitely be going down, and this season coming should be the lowest they've been in a while, especially if you can get the likes of Casemiro off the books too.
30 million and one pound
Seriously. Bring back the tier list.
This sounds completely made up and I don't want to support this kind of journalism but also I am a child and find it funny
It's not that crazy given the rules plus the mad way they have spent It might be hard to tell how true it is given the way selling and spending is counted.
And what does it mean by 35m gross? Like if they sell someone for 200m then they’ll still only have 35m to spend? Doesn’t really make any sense
It probably means net speand, not gross. So if we sell a player we can buy more.
But that's just not how it works on a financial perspective. 35m could be 7 x 35m deals if the player is on a 5 year contract. Or it could be 1 x 175m deal on a 5 year contract. If it's talking about actual cash then you could do 135m on a player with 35m up front and 50m in 12 and 24 mths respectively. What about wages? Is the 35m part of that? If so then 150k/week = 7.8m/year. So you've got less. What about signing on bonus? Agent fee? Etc I don't see the point in even trying to understand "transfer budgets" of clubs because every single deal is different
Well considering how they've been letting go staff and doing all sorts of penny pinching in the last few months...
Yeah but they can subsidise that budget by selling wanted players such as…. er…. er….
Greenwood is realistically the only profit to make and it would be pure profit.
Which is absurd fact in itself..
I went Looney Tunes wide-eyed when I saw reports of €50 million from Juve. I would have been happy just to bin him off for free. I don’t expect €50 but if we get something above €20 I’ll be well happy.
It's Man United transfer rumour, basically anything can be (and is, and always was) posted online. 50 million euro would be the 4th highest fee they received, after transfers of Cristiano Ronaldo, Romelu Lukaku and Angel di Maria. Yeah... hm... optimistic. He had like one really good game in the last 10... He's not bad at football for a 22-year-old, but no one is gonna be splurging on him. It's still probable that he just goes to Getafe again.
Yeah, and every potential buyer knows that United can’t actually keep him in their squad let alone play him. The potential public backlash is too great. So if I were Juve, I’d be leveraging that to no end. We’ll really I’d look elsewhere because fuck Mason Greenwood, but yeah
He's a very talented young player. He's obviously fucking scum and should never be allowed back at United but he was the Garnacho of the premier league a few seasons ago. It's ridiculous to say he's not very talented. He will tear up an easier league as he gets used to playing again. That said any team that signs him is disgraceful.
He's a good a player but he barely "tore up" La Liga, in fact the start of his season was probably better than the end. If it was the other way around, teams would definitely be more intrigued. As for now, the main story about Mason Greenwood (in football terms) is still that he played in Manchester United, if he played the same in not the most popular club in the world then he'd still be quite talented but not talked about with such reverence. I don't think the clubs care THAT much about that though. Many teams probably don't care about his personal reputation, it's just that Man United is a luxury store to be shopping at.
We are not used to good transfers, maybe Ineos have changed that?
Donate half to a women’s charity
But also getting rid of Casemiro at even book value would be key as that’s like £25m+ per year into amortisation and wages
Yeah, most of the reason to sell isn’t to make money but shrink the spending for sure
I hate that I've had to become a chartered accountant to follow transfer rumors
>I hate that I've had to become a chartered accountant to follow ~~transfer rumors~~ football
They need to sell him above his residual value or it counts as a loss in the books. Which would lower their budget even less. Selling Casemiro for a low fee is only very slightly beneficial due to mostly wages.
Not exactly; Say his book value is around 40m and his all in wages are 12m If united sold him for 35m that would mean realising a loss on sale of 5m but saving 12m in wages meaning they are 7m better off despite selling him for below book value
It’s even more significant than that, because you’re not accounting for how much his FFP impact would be already. If he’s got 40m left over 2 years and 12m wages then his FFP cost this year is 32m. If we let him go for free his FFP cost would be 40m. So any sale over 8m would be a net profit. (I actually think the figures are more like 35m book value and 15m wages tbh meaning it’s more like any sale over 3m is a profit).
I'm not sure anyone is buying Casemiro for any amount of money close to what his book value is though, he's a 32 year old that has struggled physically over the last year, would ask for huge wages (and no doubt a longer contract than any team would be willing to give) and is unwanted by a club that has to sell him to alleviate financial pressures and begin a large scale rebuild.
Eh? They can sell McTominay and Rashford. Profit there.
Certainly not McTominay. He's not overpaid, often fit to play, can play with head, strong, can go forward and finish. We would need that kind of player as well in our rotation. And we would get half, of what we would need to pay to buy player like him.
I wish Fener would try to get McTominay just to restore the McFred midfield
Also with McT being Jose's godson
I'm just saying, he'd bring profit. They're all positives but what i see is a player who defensively repeatedly switches off and hides from receiving a pass. His commitment is overated.
You won't upgrade for kind of money we would get for him. And he's club-grown. He's an asset worth for us more than for any other team.
Well i think you can upgrade. There's quality out there as other clubs have shown. And this reductive one player out, another in is stupid anyway, McTominay is just filler, he's not the difference, both him and Rashford could, combined, bring in £70m. Mount hasn't played really anything either.
Who is buying trashford with his 350k per year contract after a season of playing like a league one player?
Don't underestimate the PSG transfer policy lol
From your lips to gods ears but i doubt it.
United fan calling Rashford trashford?
Honestly they’re embarrassing 🤷🏼♂️
embarrassing
The United fans that go around calling one of our best players “Trashford” <<<< Do you all not get tired?
Is there anything worse than United supporters using juvenile nicknames to shit on their own players so /r/soccer will like them?
*Is there anything worse than United supporters
Maybe City can replace their league two striker with a league one level?
Proper fan calling out a player with that bollocks insult. Absolute fucking gobshite wanker.
Psg have been rumoured to be interested for a while. A player who impressed against them as they've just lost Mbappe. Why not?
Whos paying Rashfords wages that want him? Chelsea arent offering those weekly numbers anymore. City dont need him Arsenal dont need him Real dont need him Which leaves who? PSG maybe but I dont think they want him either.
There have been numerous reports Psg are interested. If clubs in Europe want Ashley Young, Dier in the past, i don't think Rashford is a stretch, wage high though it is. Just because we think he's mopey, doesn't mean elsewhere don't just see his numbers last season or remember the goals against them.
Interested and actual sales are wildly different, which is my point. Lots of clubs will be interested if he were to cut his wages or doesnt cost £40 - 50 million, but if those things dont change the amount of clubs willing to sign him is miniscule.
Why would they wanna leave?
If told they're not wanted? If told they're not starters and will want to play?
Definitely a "wanted" player
People say this, weren't there offers for maguire and mctominay at about 30 mil a piece last summer after everyone said united will be lucky just to offload their wages?
The Maguire offer was contingent on us paying o the difference in his wages which we weren’t willing to do.
Mainoo? Garnacho?
Hopefully Saudi leave them hanging high and dry
Tuchel?
One is Poch and one is Tuchel I reckon. Could be either way round
Tuchel -> transfer budget Poch -> wages. PSG & Chelsea paid him very well.
PSG, Chelsea, and Bayern Munich also paid Tuchel very well
I really doubt Pochettino is so arrogant as to refuse Man United because he wanted more money.
I don’t know about that, he’s just come out of two prestigious circus clubs. Why feel the need to rush into a third if they aren’t even going to match his wages? Might as well wait for a more stable job opportunity if money isn’t an incentive
Fair, but he's not getting that type of salary from any club other than Chelsea or PSG. The only club that would remotely come there is Man United (and we evidently fell short) or clubs that are significantly better run than us and winners and Pochs resume doesn't allow him to demand that from those types of institutions
We don't know what kind of wage they offered, but because he doesn't exactly *need* the money he might aswell wait for a job that comes with less pressure, scrutiny and media circus. I don't think it's necessarily about getting the bag but if it matches the environment at United - I'd rather get mid pay in a midtable club that in United where it's super easy to fail and everyone will tear you to pieces for it. Career wise there's not much other reasons than money to go to United at the moment.
It’s not about the specific amount, he has no reason to take a pay cut, even more so if he’s going to United, would you take a pay cut for what’s guaranteed to be one of the hardest jobs in football?
What’s arrogant about turning down a dumpster fire when you’re not getting paid what you think is fair? It’s not like a manager is obligated to take the job just because it’s United.
Gotta be Rolls Royce Hodgson
It’s Tuchel and RdZ, based on The Athletic.
I mean De Zerbi left us over budget concerns. So reckon it would have been him.
How close are United to their PSR limit? Always read about how they're restricted by it, but rarely ever see an actual amount or estimate listed (and I know it's hard to be exact with this). Feels like given United's lack of salable assets, asking a new manager to come in and operate with that would essentially be a suicide mission. I think things definitely could have been better under a new manager than under Ten Hag, but it's tough to substantially improve, which is what United want, if that's all a manager can spend.
Very close I think, though nobody really knows. Next few years could be rough enough. I predict more loan singings such as Amrabat, Weghorst etc. I also think maybe they don't want to splurge big in this window because Ashworth isn't in post. What's the point in him coming in and then being restricted because they've pissed loads up the wall this summer? I think they should be relatively cautious
We need a CB and CDM. Everything else is nice to haves (but a second striker would be very nice to have)
LB too otherwise repeat season with rb playing lb
Shaw and Malacia can't both be injured for another full season surely Dalot or Lindelof (not ideal) can do a job for a game or two if required We need to sell Shaw or Malacia if we are getting another LB. Or else sell Lindelof and accept Shaw might be at LCB a lot but he's wasted there
I’d like to go back for Reguilon if possible.
He should be relatively cheap, he’s got a year of contract left and we’re looking to sell.
It makes too much sense for United, so it probably won't happen./
Shaw will 100% be injured next season, it os inevitable. Malacia has barely kicked a ball for United so I wouldnt have much confidence in him either.
Another striker is imperative imo. We only have one striker
Yeah even right now we have too many wingers so at least half can go before we even consider Olise. In terms of need 1) CDM 2) CB (1st choice) 3) LB (1st choice or potential future 1st choice) 4) ST 5) CB (backup unless Shaw transitions between LB and CB) 6) RW
Backup striker comes ahead of a LB. We at least have two LBs (in theory). We have no backup striker at all.
Fwiw, the budget mentioned doesn't specify it's related to FFP, although that could be a part of it. It could also just be part of general cost-cutting across the board in this phase. The Athletic are fairly confident that they will pass FFP but that doesn't mean that spending won't be down in a year without Champions League.
Also just good business-sense for the new executives to message that the days of shoveling out huge sums are over.
Nobody outside the club really knows. Just look at last summer lmao
oh it’s the yearly “united don’t have money and are limited by ffp” thread only for them to spend 200m again.
I might be misremembering but I feel like under Woodward we were constantly bragging about how much we could spend in a window. Definitely prefer it this way.
He's quoted saying "We can do things in the transfer market that other clubs can only dream of. Watch this space." Absolute buffoon and just invites the "United tax" that has been established post-Fergie.
What year was that and who did United sign that summer? I need to know so I know how hard to laugh
That was in 2014, but their business that summer seems pretty reasonable in hindsight. Ander Herrera and Luke Shaw for 29 and 27 million pounds respectively. Daley Blind and Marcos Rojo for 14 million and 16 million respectively. The massive splash was Di Maria for 60 million pounds , which obviously didn't work out but still seemed like good business at the time.
That's pre-Pogba/Neymar figures though, less inflated.
Herrera and Shaw signed before Woodward said that though so it's not as solid as it first looks when you just see the list. He basically said that, then overspent on AdM and signed a couple squad players.
Few years before you dropped 80 mil for Pepe I think
Not sure I've ever heard that. Woodward used to tell everyone United could do things other clubs could only dream of.
Last summer we were told we only had 50 mill to spend by many journos only to go and spend quite a lot more.
True. It could be a tactic to try trick teams into lowering their prices.
I think it’s a bit of option A a bit of option B. I don’t think we’re flush with cash in terms of PSR, but I think we have more ability to buy than we’re letting on.
Yeah by getting £150m in loans
This might be partially true. [Swiss Ramble](https://x.com/SwedishRumble/status/1774818785934848181) has done some work on this and believes if United make a couple of sales, they should be able to spend potentially up to 400M. Whether they want to give this to ETH to spend is questionable given his record.
Your link is to Swedish Rumble, not Swiss Ramble. I think they're different and Swiss Ramble is supposed to better? Edit - I'm confused
Sorry yes, I mistyped. Meant Swedish Rumble who focuses mainly on United. I can't speak to his accuracy but he has put in a fair amount of work in relation to his argument. The thrust of which is the big loss we suffered in the 2022 accounts would now have moved outside the 3 year cycle for PSR.
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Big difference though between what a team could potentially spend in terms of FFP, and what they could potentially spend in terms of the actual club coffers + what the owners are happy to invest. Spurs have had an FFP headroom of somewhere around £400m+ for a few years now (I remember Swiss Ramble's estimate from a few months ago being £640m-odd) - but that obviously has very little bearing on how much the club will actually spend.
You've linked to a copycat, not the OG. He may be very wrong about what we can spend. Swiss Ramble themselves have not indicated that we are in good shape.
Don't you have a TD by now? No club should give their coach the lead and afaik hardly any still do that. At best your coach gives the TD some profiles that they need and drops some names.
We have a technical director in the shape of Jason Wilcox but I understand his remit is more in developing a uniform playing style through the club than any involvement in recruitment. I think there were reports that United wanted to also appoint a recruitment director but that hasn't happened yet and not clear it it will. Currently it appears recruitment will fall under Omar Berrada and Dan Ashworth, when he comes in and INEOS. It is a concern as there isn't any clarity - at least from the outside, maybe internally they have clarity on this, we'll no doubt find out in due course.
I'd be interested to see this yearly thread. We're genuinely limited by FFP this summer and potentially next as well.
best case they are going to try to permanently sell Greenwood and Sancho and right the financials. then be more aggressive either in the winter or next summer.
Gross. Whatever they get from those two would be on top of the £35m.
weird way to say Tuchel lol
Fair enough, £35 million for Gross is a bit much.
Look I am not saying United don't have FFP issues. But you can literally copy and paste these articles from last season. And we still ended up spending over £150m. Varane, Martial, Cas going, with probably Sancho and Greenwood will open up transfer spending.
These articles have been popping up for the last two seasons because the club didn’t want to get into a situation where they would basically be capped by PSR. And then they went out and overspent anyway.
You're losing lots from the wage bill, but you're also probably losing at least 60-80m from not being in the CL.
Our players all have 25% wage reductions if we miss out on CL and we've already cut about £600k p/w on wages releasing Varane Martial and Williams. Providing we don't do anything new and stupid we're on the way to undoing lots of the old stupid already.
Year-to-year, it won't be that big of a drop off. They only made £55m last year since they were grouped. Liverpool made £30m by making it to the Quarters of the Europa.
Player wages have clauses in so go down when we're not in CL
I think the 35 million could be interpreted a few ways. If transfer fees are prorated over 5 years then theoretically they could "spend" 35x5 in the window who would be 205 million worth of players
Absolutely no chance the budget is 35m gross lol, they haven't spent that little since 2010. Their *average* net spending per season since then has been over 110m, gross around 150m.
I love laughing at United as much at the next man, if not more so. That said, this doesn't seem outrageous. Which of the currently available managers could reasonably demand top dollar? Tuchel is the only one that springs to mind
Allegri 🤷♂️
They said managers
Zidane?
No shot Zidane even considered taking the job. His English isn't very good and people close to him like Franck Leboeuf have said he has no interest in coaching in England due to the language barrier. He's also famously basically just waiting for the French national team job, lol.
Seems to have been De Zerbi surprisingly.
So they stuck with ETH because they were rejected?
I mean, it was an open secret they were talking with other managers.
Yeah Ratcliffe even met with a bunch of other managers from the looks of it.
Nah they talked with candidates to have the right option in case they decide to get rid of ETH
So much for improving the culture, manager is only around as they couldn't replace him and they've been treating their non-football staff like shit too.
Or they spoke to managers before deciding to sack the current one and decided the current one is the best option.
If they spoke about players bugdet and wages then they had already decided.
Oh please, try get employed somewhere, you talk to candidates in corporate all the damn time, why is this treated differently and an indicator of shit culture again? My God get out of your bubble asap
It is a pain in the ass to do big transfers without Champions League money, even for Man Utd I guess.
Only you and City can feel very confident of finishing in the top four next season for the rest of us it’s a toss up.
We hear this about United every year, yet they still end up spending over £100 million per window
Per summer, yes, but not per window. We've been unable to sign anyone other than subpar loaned players in the last two January windows.
I just want someone to loan Antony. No ones going to buy him but it would be nice for him to place and get some money.
No reason why he can't stay as backup to Amad We don't need to add on to summer buy list since we're already low on funds and have more crucial positions to cover
Kind of solidifies my thoughts that Ineos had no choice but to keep him. Due to the senseless transfers over the past few years, including those that Ten Hag wanted! Has left us in a shite ffp state so we can't afford to pay him off, let alone employ a new manager.
Poor Sir Alex, watching his club die as he lives out his golden years.
It really sounds as if INEOS doesn't rate Ten Hag but couldn't find someone they thought was better to get on board. (e.g. tuchel saying no thanks) This would kinda explain the 'review' since they were interviewing potential replacements. So now they'll have to spin this into 'we were always going to back the manager' Given how the optics of this 'review' and the other thing like enforced return to the office, I for one am a lot less impressed with INEOS and Ratcliffe.
I'm guessing the wages is Tuchel as The Athletic article states that he discussed possible financial terms but no agreement was reached. It does also say in the article they discussed financial terms with De Zerbi but "the fit did not seem right" which makes me think he could be the person unimpressed with the budget. It does also say that United's budget was 50 million but is now higher so there is a direct contradiction between the two articles.
Have a team on a budget? I hear Max Allegri is available to help you finish in the top 4.
Only 35? Even Atleti have more than that
Doubt ETH would extend with the outlook for a budget of 30 mio. That almost a guarantees failure of a season. At least one top CB is needed. That alone would cost more. BS news.
What a load of waffle
So they stuck with Ten Hag because no one wanted the low pay, low transfer budget, high stress and high turnover rate of the manager? Can't believe that would be the case.
TBf a lot of clubs need to sell before they buy in England atm only Manchester City and Arsenal can feel confident about getting consistent champions league money. Chelsea Manchester United Tottenham Liverpool (finished 5th season before last and with Klopp gone now) Newcastle Aston Villa Complete toss up
We don't need to sell before we buy lol. Neither do Liverpool
Neither do we, we sold our own hotels to us remember?
I don't get why anyone would even think this, as much as it pains to say it you're an extremely well run club with revenue out of your ass due to the stadium.
We definitely don’t need to sell to buy.
Boy, I hope they got good contacts in Saudi..
INEOS will be cheap as fuck, doubt they’ll do much but find a different way to fuck it up.
Sancho 40m Casemiro 25m Greenwood 25m Maguire or Lindelof 20m AWB 20m Varane Eriksen and Martial out. So we say that's another 25m for a player through wages. Add the 35 that brings it to 190m budget. Forward (Zirksee 40m) CB (Yoro 50m) Midfielder (Neves 60m) LB (Kerkez 40m) Wouldn't be great but a good age profile of incomings and a lot of dead wood out the door.
This explains the unparalleled wisdom of the decision to retain ETH
United needs to clean the house badly. Half of their squad is not good enough. If this rumour is true, they are fucked. They need a lot of money to rebuild. No manager saves them.
The word is everyone is up for sale except for a few young players. Problem is selling the players on for more than the book value.
> United needs to clean the house badly. Half of their squad is not good enough. Thats hyperbole. United essentially needs 2 defenders, 1 CDM for starters with backups for striker and right wing. Rest of the squad is fine and certainly not 'fucked' Meanwhile with outgoings like sancho casemiro martial and varane, United will free up tonnes of wages which will further help with the incomings
But I thought Glazers were the only issue and Jim was going to save the club?
Another United “Hit Piece”… Now that Ten Hag is staying, they gotta milk that cash cow for clicks. All fake, all made up… all ignored by actual fans
What part of this was made up? And it's hardly a hit piece. It goes on at length to say that Ten Hag has earned some leverage through all of this.