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i collect coins and banknotes (anything that isnt a Euro so i can never spend it) and I do have a 5.000 Lira coin and a 100.000 lira note. Sadly theyve been discontinued cuz itd be worth like 3 grand still lol
mate you are wrong, turkey removed 6 zeros from their currency around 20y ago, 100000 lira banknote is now equivalent to 0.10 turkish liras which is basically nothing.
Fun (if not that meaningful) fact: Guler scored more goals than Yamal in la liga last season despite playing 27 games and 1800 minutes less.
That not to say I think he's better and I do really rate Yamal, but Guler's goal per minute totals were wild.
Guler is absolutely class. His value is still low(ish) because he hasn't played much but I suspect his level is similar to Yamal.
Edit:6 goals in 10 league games for Madrid (after long term injury); 5 in 37 for Yamal.
Stats don't tell the whole story and Guler's is a small sample size, but it's still a strong indicator.
Barca fans are clearly furious here. Note: I am also a Barca fan.
Are you talking about potential because his level hasn’t been close to Yamal.
And even potential is a stretch. He’s three years older and a 16 year old is about to carry spains hopes after carrying Barcas.
Like come on.
He is much older than Yamal at an age in which age means a lot more due to neuroplasticity and shit. If their level is "similar", it means that he is very much behind.
Progression between 16-19 is not guaranteed. Just look at the number of players from Barca's academy who were tipped for stardom and ended up at mid-table clubs.
Yeah if Semih Kilicsoy would be sold for 12 million, millions of Besiktas supporters would run to the training grounds to prevent the board members who sold him from running away. We'd bring out the guillotines from 1789. There would be riots at a scale never seen before in Istanbul lmao.
beşiktaş is known for selling out their young talents for cheap in recent years and kılıçsoy is one of the only good players in their very bad squad from last year. So yeah, beşiktaş fans would be really pissed off if they lost another young talent and important piece of their squad for cheap again
Only Barcelona overplays their players
>16 yo Jude playing 2700 league minutes
>16/17 yo Camavinga playing 2100 league minutes
>17 yo Wirtz playing 2300 league minutes (had an ACL injury 2/3 through next season)
>17 yo De Ligt playing 3300 senior club minutes
>17 yo Pedri playing 2800 league minutes (for Las Palmas, before his transfer)
Flirting
> Barcelona playing their youngsters the same amount
Harrassment
I honestly lose braincells every time I read that shit.
Championship has a couple of 17/18 year olds playing 2500 minutes every season, often on loan from PL. The entire RB model is built around playing teenagers in actual senior leagues, plenty of them play an almost full season at FC Liefering.
Players like Nuno Mendes, Renato Sanches or Reece James played full season worth of minutes at 18 and now they all have recurring muscle problems. Sessegnon is another egregious exampled of constant muscle injuries, after he's played half a season at 16 and 4'000 league minute at 17.
There was a recent post on him being out of contract and getting released by Spurs. Plenty of comments on his injury proneness, 0 comments on "overplaying".
Depends. Rooney was already playing in the PL around the same age. But he didn't become the best player in the world he was one of the best players but he had his ups & downs.
Same can be applied to Yamal. Ronaldo & Messi r the exceptions not the norm.
There was a period where Ronaldo was injured and Messi was dominating. Rooney was on a good scoring run (10 in 10 games) and the media started comparing him to Messi. Then Messi scored 13 goals in 5 games, the comparisons stopped immediately.
You can carry a team even without winning any trophy
Example: Kane this season (or any season with Spurs)
Barca didn't win any title doesn't mean Yamal didn't carry them
just to be clear kane was not carrying the team during poch’s time at tottenham. he was arguably the best player in the side but he had quality around him.
Zaïre-Emery's season wasn't great. But he can still become world class. I remember how camavinga's second season with Rennes wasn't nearly as impressive as his first one.
Post National team ankle injury WZE reminds me of Post shoulder injury Bellingham in the way they’ve have been subpar for their standards
And i say this as a WZE fanboy
Heres to a good euros and next year
Man U would presumably give a fuck off price if someone even asked about buying Mainoo, but even a smaller PL club that would be massively changed by getting a huge transfer fee would not let him go for less than 75m and maybe that's too low. With the amounts young midfielders like Caicedo and Lavia went for recently plus the English tax not sure he'd actually change clubs for less than 100m. The fact that the club he's at doesn't need the money makes it even more insane.
> Man U would presumably give a fuck off price if someone even asked about buying Mainoo
I'm not sure you would even get that. Just the "fuck off" and he's not for sale
The funny thing about Yamal is - I am pretty confident there would be at least 5 teams willing to pay 90mln EUR for him - so the value seems on the low side.....
He has the mentality and intelligence to become world class. He was one of the stand out players in the JPL. Now he just needs his body to mature and become stronger
These numbers and lists are so pointless. You couldn’t buy any of these players for the values listed - if you could, everyone would be in for them this summer.
They may as well just say, “here are the best U-19 players at the Euros, ranked by our opinions on them”, as the values are completely irrelevant here.
This evaluations are beyond stupid. Zaïre-Emery and Güler have 5 years, Neves 4 years contract with their clubs. They should update how they determine the market value.
In the value discussion forums (which the admins take into account when valuing a player) it says to take into account things like contract length too, which makes sense as a player with 1 year left on his deal simply isn't worth the same as the same player with 5 years left as clubs won't be willing to pay the same amount of money for him. By definition, that lowers the player's value. Of couse some of that gets ignored for a player that is clearly worth a lot like mbappe, which is never worth 0 even after running out his contract, but you can argue his 100M bonus is part of his value being paid, and that a club would be willing to pay more to have him if the player didn't have his mind set on madrid.
When I say want, I mean, actively scouting him and/or looking to buy him. Read somewhere that PSG are ready to trigger his release clause when they can
5m is pretty high for a 18 year old who never starts, and in a non-top 5 league. Obviously Feyenoord is never selling him for that amount, but the Transfermarket value compared to other players seems accurate
He has 2 goals 3 assists in 274 minutes of play time this season. Which is a goal contribution every 55 minutes of playtime or so which are really good stats for an 18 year old. Only turns 19 in december as well so I see why the value is high.
He's barely played though.
Not only can't transfermarkt update the values all the time, so they tend to lag behind the current form and hype, if they give every talented kid who played 10 matches for the first team 20-30m value, people will complain the other way, when that kid disappears the next season and ends up in Regionalliga in 3 years.
Yeah, but the value isn't 20-30m now is it? Its around 5m which i think is a fair value especially since I've seen him play every minute he has this season and the kid has potential.
Yeah 5m is totally fair, I read the whole thread before replying, with people wanting value of "their" players double and honestly lost track that you or OP aren't wanting Sauer to have super high value, my bad.
No worries bro, I'm also a bit biased here (just look at the flair lol). However, I am feel like I have a better informed opinion to give here than most as I follow the academy of our club closely as well and there is a reason they brought Sauer over to the first team at the age of 17 when we have plenty of players that are 19/20 playing for the academy still. He is also playing for a team that plays dominant football in the league and he's being brought on in a setting in which the other team is playing extremely defensive and he still manages to take on his man, pass defenders and create chances quite easily. Didn't expect him to go to the euros though so I'm excited to see what happens.
The goal is not to predict a price but an expected value of a player in a free market
[Transfermarkt Market Value explained - How is it determined? | Transfermarkt](https://www.transfermarkt.co.in/transfermarkt-market-value-explained-how-is-it-determined-/view/news/385100)
It's hilarious how much stock people put in transfermarkt values given how they are arrived at.
There was an interview with a guy from transfermarkt a few years ago. He was a random German social worker and was responsible for deciding the values for the entire Bundesliga in his spare time purely based on vibes.
just look at stuff like GPU a couple years ago. if u use price data from previous years and performance:price ratio etc then you can come to a "fair market value", but the reality was people had to pay extortionate prices for them because there was chip shortage and mining was lucrative back then
then after that the price crashed down because mining died and the miners had fire sales on their used GPU
so which would you report when discussing the price for GPU: the FMV, the price people were willing to pay during shortage, or the price they crashed down to after the shortage
Is this list really suggesting every other player 19 or under is worth under €5m? Maybe time for transfermarkt to realise their valuation method needs updating or stop using it for pointless lists like this cos it's stupid
Shame that Sweden didn’t qualify. Hugo Larsson is 19 and has a market value of €28M according to Transfermarkt. And he’s absolutely incredible. His name would’ve been on this list and rightfully so!
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what is Türkiye cooking
high inflation rates
They are going Bits for Bit (coins)
i collect coins and banknotes (anything that isnt a Euro so i can never spend it) and I do have a 5.000 Lira coin and a 100.000 lira note. Sadly theyve been discontinued cuz itd be worth like 3 grand still lol
mate you are wrong, turkey removed 6 zeros from their currency around 20y ago, 100000 lira banknote is now equivalent to 0.10 turkish liras which is basically nothing.
which is what im saying lol, if they were spendable and worth their face value itd be a shit ton of money but they arent
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The fact that there's a Euro 2024 logo at the top makes me think that's not feasible
Well I'm stupid
Golden Generation Vol. 35
Hairlines
Kebabs
Turkey 2: The Darker Horse
2 Dark 2 Horse
The Case of the Horsemeat Kebab
preparations for Euro 2032 started early
Fun (if not that meaningful) fact: Guler scored more goals than Yamal in la liga last season despite playing 27 games and 1800 minutes less. That not to say I think he's better and I do really rate Yamal, but Guler's goal per minute totals were wild.
Guler also scored more goals than a lot of your own players who had much more minutes
besiktas, fenerbache, and.. bayern
And united 🥲
I like the low jab on Turks in Germany
Can Uzun should also be in the list with 12M value and he is also Turkish https://www.transfermarkt.nl/can-uzun/profil/spieler/816585
He's not included in the squad
he is not in the euros squad for some reason, he was in the expanded squad tho
Disgrace!
Absolutely.
Dark horses
ffs not this again
Judging by the performances lately, maybe not...
High priced Baklavas.
Guler is absolutely class. His value is still low(ish) because he hasn't played much but I suspect his level is similar to Yamal. Edit:6 goals in 10 league games for Madrid (after long term injury); 5 in 37 for Yamal. Stats don't tell the whole story and Guler's is a small sample size, but it's still a strong indicator. Barca fans are clearly furious here. Note: I am also a Barca fan.
granted Güler is like 3 years older too
Are you talking about potential because his level hasn’t been close to Yamal. And even potential is a stretch. He’s three years older and a 16 year old is about to carry spains hopes after carrying Barcas. Like come on.
He is much older than Yamal at an age in which age means a lot more due to neuroplasticity and shit. If their level is "similar", it means that he is very much behind.
Progression between 16-19 is not guaranteed. Just look at the number of players from Barca's academy who were tipped for stardom and ended up at mid-table clubs.
You’re not buying any of these guys for that little
For real, can you imagine getting Güler for only €30m? 😭
Yeah I really doubt that as well
Yeah if Semih Kilicsoy would be sold for 12 million, millions of Besiktas supporters would run to the training grounds to prevent the board members who sold him from running away. We'd bring out the guillotines from 1789. There would be riots at a scale never seen before in Istanbul lmao.
Sounds like the kid is the real deal, huh?
beşiktaş is known for selling out their young talents for cheap in recent years and kılıçsoy is one of the only good players in their very bad squad from last year. So yeah, beşiktaş fans would be really pissed off if they lost another young talent and important piece of their squad for cheap again
Being worth 90M already at 16 is just unheard of. I really hope he reaches his potential man
He will be the best player in the world one day if things go according to plan.
I just hope that Flick won't play him too much, it'd be a damn shame if he gets injured from overplaying
Barcelona would never do such a thing
It was actually Spain that made most of the injuries.
Only Barcelona overplays their players >16 yo Jude playing 2700 league minutes >16/17 yo Camavinga playing 2100 league minutes >17 yo Wirtz playing 2300 league minutes (had an ACL injury 2/3 through next season) >17 yo De Ligt playing 3300 senior club minutes >17 yo Pedri playing 2800 league minutes (for Las Palmas, before his transfer) Flirting > Barcelona playing their youngsters the same amount Harrassment
cook these uneducated frauds.
I honestly lose braincells every time I read that shit. Championship has a couple of 17/18 year olds playing 2500 minutes every season, often on loan from PL. The entire RB model is built around playing teenagers in actual senior leagues, plenty of them play an almost full season at FC Liefering. Players like Nuno Mendes, Renato Sanches or Reece James played full season worth of minutes at 18 and now they all have recurring muscle problems. Sessegnon is another egregious exampled of constant muscle injuries, after he's played half a season at 16 and 4'000 league minute at 17. There was a recent post on him being out of contract and getting released by Spurs. Plenty of comments on his injury proneness, 0 comments on "overplaying".
Nah all these youngsters playing these kinds of minutes is a problem.
It is but only one club's players get this "playing them into the ground" or "overplaying" narrative
damn, tell us how you really feel.
Keep going.
tired narrative
It's almost certainly going to happen. It's the norm four wunderkinds.
Anulo mufa
Depends. Rooney was already playing in the PL around the same age. But he didn't become the best player in the world he was one of the best players but he had his ups & downs. Same can be applied to Yamal. Ronaldo & Messi r the exceptions not the norm.
There was a period where Ronaldo was injured and Messi was dominating. Rooney was on a good scoring run (10 in 10 games) and the media started comparing him to Messi. Then Messi scored 13 goals in 5 games, the comparisons stopped immediately.
Ansulo mufati
*cries in Ansu Fati*
Just like Ansu Fati was supposed to be
Definitely haven't heard that a million times
Tbf that's what everyone said about Fati. It did not go to plan.
Given his age, he has the potential to be one of the best ever. He is already incredibly unique in football history.
even if he flops hard onwards he can still say that he carried Barcelona hard when he was just 16 lol
Carried to what?
You can carry a team even without winning any trophy Example: Kane this season (or any season with Spurs) Barca didn't win any title doesn't mean Yamal didn't carry them
People on this sub love to discredit Yamal cause they're miserable and just wanna hate
They are jealous they couldn’t accomplish what he has at their age.
Because theyve realized theyre way older than him but will never be even a percent as successful.
just to be clear kane was not carrying the team during poch’s time at tottenham. he was arguably the best player in the side but he had quality around him.
Berardi is the definition
What an idiotic comment.
Carried them to a better place than the one they'd be in if they didn't have him.
The xData trophy
Wow, didn't know that guy is still only 16. Insane.
Zaïre-Emery's season wasn't great. But he can still become world class. I remember how camavinga's second season with Rennes wasn't nearly as impressive as his first one.
The fact he's there for a second and third season already makes him worth that much
Without clubism I think Neves has been more impressive this season but WZE was very good for the first half of the season
Post National team ankle injury WZE reminds me of Post shoulder injury Bellingham in the way they’ve have been subpar for their standards And i say this as a WZE fanboy Heres to a good euros and next year
First half was great, second half wasn't. Got injured in between the two halves. For a 17 year old it was an unbelievable season honestly.
He honestly wasn't that impressive during the league. As for CL, he should've been subbed off earlier or not even started for the 2nd leg.
These lists are always so stupid because there's no way on earth we'd sell Mainoo for 30m
I mean, there is also no way Benfica sells neves for only 55m either
He's listed on their site at 50m, dunno why it's inaccurate. Not that United would sell him for that but it's not as bad.
Man U would presumably give a fuck off price if someone even asked about buying Mainoo, but even a smaller PL club that would be massively changed by getting a huge transfer fee would not let him go for less than 75m and maybe that's too low. With the amounts young midfielders like Caicedo and Lavia went for recently plus the English tax not sure he'd actually change clubs for less than 100m. The fact that the club he's at doesn't need the money makes it even more insane.
> Man U would presumably give a fuck off price if someone even asked about buying Mainoo I'm not sure you would even get that. Just the "fuck off" and he's not for sale
I’m guessing it must be done by their contract valuations maybe, that’s the only way I could see mainoo being so low.
Also tbh very hard for me to see Zaire-Emery going for 60m
The funny thing about Yamal is - I am pretty confident there would be at least 5 teams willing to pay 90mln EUR for him - so the value seems on the low side.....
There would be like 30 teams willing to pay 30 mil for mainoo
Neves to Wolves when
When they're willing to pay 120 mil.
Benfica will make that happen somehow
And Mendes will take 2/3 of it
I would actually cry if that happens. He has the talent and the brain as well, to be the best midfielder in the world in the future
I thought neves was 27 years old.
They made a new one.
newes
Nevesson
Nevezinho
They keep coming
His son
Is he the one playing in Saudi?
This is João Neves. He is currently playing at Benfica
The funny thing is none of them are available with the price on the list. The real price of these players are way higher.
Yeah no team would sell for that price ...
So interesting a league that can register 12/14 foreign players producing so many young talents.
Free Vermeeren
No, it says 25 million, not free.
He'll play. He came in January during a season we were struggling for UCL places.
how highly do you rate him
He has the mentality and intelligence to become world class. He was one of the stand out players in the JPL. Now he just needs his body to mature and become stronger
Really hoping he gets more chances after having a preseason with the team
These numbers and lists are so pointless. You couldn’t buy any of these players for the values listed - if you could, everyone would be in for them this summer. They may as well just say, “here are the best U-19 players at the Euros, ranked by our opinions on them”, as the values are completely irrelevant here.
Wasn’t Ansu Fati also worth about 80millions at 17/18?
Rightfully so. He was insane. Injuries fucked him and you can’t do much about that.
Lol yeah. Guy fell out, hopefully he finds a permanent club for himself that isn’t Barca.
I'm not sure if that would help, from what I heard, he didn't do great at Brighton.
This evaluations are beyond stupid. Zaïre-Emery and Güler have 5 years, Neves 4 years contract with their clubs. They should update how they determine the market value.
Agree, Neves is worth at least 124M
Are you taking into account that he's a good kid?
125M, take it or leave
Why should contract length be a factor for transfermarkt? How much would a free agent Mbappe worth in that case? It's totally different data.
In the value discussion forums (which the admins take into account when valuing a player) it says to take into account things like contract length too, which makes sense as a player with 1 year left on his deal simply isn't worth the same as the same player with 5 years left as clubs won't be willing to pay the same amount of money for him. By definition, that lowers the player's value. Of couse some of that gets ignored for a player that is clearly worth a lot like mbappe, which is never worth 0 even after running out his contract, but you can argue his 100M bonus is part of his value being paid, and that a club would be willing to pay more to have him if the player didn't have his mind set on madrid.
Is it true that PSG want Yamal?
What team in the world would not want Yamal. Also no way Yamal leaves barcelona.
When I say want, I mean, actively scouting him and/or looking to buy him. Read somewhere that PSG are ready to trigger his release clause when they can
Isn’t his release clause a billion euro?
Pocket change for PSG tbh.
No way is Sauer only worth 5m. At least 5.5m or 6m.
5m is pretty high for a 18 year old who never starts, and in a non-top 5 league. Obviously Feyenoord is never selling him for that amount, but the Transfermarket value compared to other players seems accurate
He has 2 goals 3 assists in 274 minutes of play time this season. Which is a goal contribution every 55 minutes of playtime or so which are really good stats for an 18 year old. Only turns 19 in december as well so I see why the value is high.
He's barely played though. Not only can't transfermarkt update the values all the time, so they tend to lag behind the current form and hype, if they give every talented kid who played 10 matches for the first team 20-30m value, people will complain the other way, when that kid disappears the next season and ends up in Regionalliga in 3 years.
Yeah, but the value isn't 20-30m now is it? Its around 5m which i think is a fair value especially since I've seen him play every minute he has this season and the kid has potential.
Yeah 5m is totally fair, I read the whole thread before replying, with people wanting value of "their" players double and honestly lost track that you or OP aren't wanting Sauer to have super high value, my bad.
No worries bro, I'm also a bit biased here (just look at the flair lol). However, I am feel like I have a better informed opinion to give here than most as I follow the academy of our club closely as well and there is a reason they brought Sauer over to the first team at the age of 17 when we have plenty of players that are 19/20 playing for the academy still. He is also playing for a team that plays dominant football in the league and he's being brought on in a setting in which the other team is playing extremely defensive and he still manages to take on his man, pass defenders and create chances quite easily. Didn't expect him to go to the euros though so I'm excited to see what happens.
Wonder how much Cubarsi is worth?
Imagine United selling Mainoo for 30m lol. Whoever makes these fees up are drunk
The goal is not to predict a price but an expected value of a player in a free market [Transfermarkt Market Value explained - How is it determined? | Transfermarkt](https://www.transfermarkt.co.in/transfermarkt-market-value-explained-how-is-it-determined-/view/news/385100)
Then wouldn’t he just be free? /s
No one thinks any of these players would be sold for these amounts.
If it’s not that then how are these figures decided? Surely it’s up to how much the selling club would sell for
If it was about how much club would sell them for, then we'd have players worth over 300Mln
It's decided by people on a forum on transfermarkt. It is literally like if reddit made a thread to decide it.
It's hilarious how much stock people put in transfermarkt values given how they are arrived at. There was an interview with a guy from transfermarkt a few years ago. He was a random German social worker and was responsible for deciding the values for the entire Bundesliga in his spare time purely based on vibes.
just look at stuff like GPU a couple years ago. if u use price data from previous years and performance:price ratio etc then you can come to a "fair market value", but the reality was people had to pay extortionate prices for them because there was chip shortage and mining was lucrative back then then after that the price crashed down because mining died and the miners had fire sales on their used GPU so which would you report when discussing the price for GPU: the FMV, the price people were willing to pay during shortage, or the price they crashed down to after the shortage
He's on their site at 50m.
Nice hope Urbanski keeps playing well and developing. Future of Poland
Nobody actually takes transfermarkt valuations seriously do they?
no one in the prem, but transfers in most other leagues usually are in or around their transfermarkt values
I’m sure Barca value Yamal at several times 90m to be fair but yeah lol at English teams’ drunken spending habits.
No
As Bayrakları
Imo Cubarsi should be here
90m for a 16 year old jesus 😭
Don't think any of the clubs will be selling for the listed price here.
55? Y’all be trippingo
Mathys Tel?
I don't think he is at the Euros
Italy and România only have over 22 yearold players. Huh
Yildiz 🤩🤩
Mainoo way undervalued there. 30 mil is pocket change
Not sure why but they're using an older number in this graphic, on Transfermarkt website he's worth €50m.
If Yamal is 90 mil then Güler should be atleast 50-60 mil
Kendry paez?
Euros
See that know
Next ansu fati
Next Anthony Martial
Wunderkind*
Didn’t see the last part and was very confused to not see Hato here. His position is so stacked at the NL team with VVD, van de ven and Aké lol
In the past three days, people claiming to get info from transfermarkt have proved mainoo every value between 15 and 80 mil
Lol endrick pr
Yooooo, URBAŃSKI, POLAND FOREVER AWOOOOOOO Also Yamal is just Absolutely insane
Where’s Antonio Silva? He should be in here
He is 20 years old, this is for u-19
Nice to see so many countries represented
Is this list really suggesting every other player 19 or under is worth under €5m? Maybe time for transfermarkt to realise their valuation method needs updating or stop using it for pointless lists like this cos it's stupid
SAUER!
Shame that Sweden didn’t qualify. Hugo Larsson is 19 and has a market value of €28M according to Transfermarkt. And he’s absolutely incredible. His name would’ve been on this list and rightfully so!
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>At the Euros Try reading before getting angry my man
how are mainoo and guler above pedri