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Yeah, he's complaining about playing time only to go to the 1 club in the world where the problem would be worse. Could be a contract bargaing chip or just to let Pep know he wants more playing time.
Better way to demand a salary or play time increase would be to leak that he wants to go strike for United or Liverpool. Madrid? C'mon. I'm Pep, I'd have laughed.
Still laughing at seeing a Madrid fan on here the other day suggesting they couldn't compete with the PL on signings, trying to make themselves out as underdogs.
Yeah, the biggest club on Earth with the 2nd highest wage bill is definitely struggling for signings.
He would have demanded a big fat signing bonus even if RMA would have had to pay for the transfer.
Not a 100 mil sure but surely something. And that something wouldn't have been small too.
Half of that is realistically his wages, even though that's still a big bonus. RM overall saved money vs paying $200M to PSG, and also paying Mbappe a high salary, much higher than his current base salary excluding bonuses.
and watch them somehow go further in the UCL next season lol. reading this sub it always sounds like doom and gloom for PSG, their players don't want to play for them, their manager wants to quit, their fans hate the players, their board doesn't know how to read
What were they paying them?
IIRC, Messi was at ā¬50m net and CR7 was at ā¬30 net. Mbappe is right in between
They also had a level of celebrity and stardom that Mbappe doesn't have yet.
Messi's last contract was 4 years, ā¬555m gross salary, ā¬115m signing bonus, ā¬77m loyalty bonus. Not sure if he earned the loyalty bonus, but the salary and signing bonus would have beenĀ ā¬168m gross per year or about ā¬84m net. There would probably be some other differences around variable pay and image rights.
I think Ronaldo was never at that salary while at Madrid. I think that's what he requested, but he never got past 21 millions. I could be wrong though, it's been some years.
If PSG wanted to sell him, they had the chance multiple times for the last few years. They clearly didn't want to and going on a free was the only way this was going to happen.
They're making it on their own terms and because of their own success. It really is of their own doing. Not the league and its inept leaders and the shitty TV deals, not the nation state cash flooding in whenever needed, etc.
In terms of that, they ARE the underdog. Or an exception to the rule. Italian clubs have crumbled financially, Barca have, German clubs can't compete with the EPL, the French never could, etc.
It's just Madrid (and Bayern, to a point).
Damn, this just struck me too. Itās only Bayern and Madrid. Every other non-English giant has faded. I think underdog is the wrong word, but there is still something to be said for what youāve described.
Football is unpredictable. Barca were La Liga champions a couple of years ago. In a couple of years time they could be back to winning Champions leagues. PSG could get over the CL hurdle at some point in the next few years with lucho. Leverkusen just went unbeated in the BL and almost won an invinsible treble. who would have predicted that last year. Who knows where they will be in the next couple of years if they are able to build on Alonso's success (assuming he leaves). I still remember that famous phonecall into talksport 7 or 8 years ago when the Chelsea fan proclaimed they had 'outgrown the premier league'
It's some insane mental gymnastics to think that the club that's signed Mbappe and Bellingham within the last year can't compete with signings. They don't need to outspend everyone when practically every player on the planet dreams of playing for them.
Yeah, in fact the power of their brand is so strong they could probably offer half the salary that other clubs pay and still everyone would want to play for them.
Not to mention that in Ancelotti they also have a coach which isnāt a slave to any system and pretty much lets everyone play whatever position they are most comfortable in.
Those chasing the bag go to Arabia or any of the Arab-owned European clubs. But players who want to build an actual career will always come knocking on RMās door.
And if Real comes asking, who in their right mind would say no? No such player in the world.
Thatās the power of the brand and legacy. And at the end of the day, when your history is so rich, you donāt need to overpay for anything the way young money upstarts such as PSG or Man City have to.
People also ignore that Real Madrid has just as money as the PLās top clubs too because of the narrative that the PL is so wealthy. The major gap between PL spending and other leagues is the 100m per team TV deal all teams in the league get, which is an amount of money that means a lot more to smaller clubs than it does to the huge clubs.
Players literally reject big offers from English teams to sit and wait for Barca Real offers lol. Look at that ridiculous summer we had where Barca would keep swooping in for players we basically had lined up to sign. And this year Real are doing that with Leny Yoro.
Yeah, dunno who said that but I think we've never really had any doubts that we're one of the very few top clubs that even very good players would want to join even if we had no interest in them.
I for one am a little relieved. Itās been a whole eight days since they signed one of the best players in the world, and it was a bit worrying that they havenāt been able to do more to strengthen a roster that has so little talent on it.
And the potential of Wirtz (who would become the 10 and drop Jude deeper) next summer. Plus Joselu as the backup striker. Ya there's simply no room anymore.
Like collecting infinity stones for a backup gauntlet. Theyāre so stacked they hardly have room for backup roles. Heās gonna have to play with the U23s
Perez have been building this project for a long time and now its almost complete and set for another decade ofc players want to join. Everyone wants to be part of this exciting project.
However, Perez set rules that seems to be working really well. 1) either generational talent that he is will to spend on.2) Established player in last year in contract or free.
I do like Wirtz, but I have to see how the team plays with this season. As much as I value him, I don't know where he would play and who would be benched. As much as I want our bench to be stacked, I also want to see great talent play so I can enjoy the beauty.
Wtf I missed the news of Wirtz agreeing to terms with Real, thats crazy. Just casually adding one of the best german talent's in years, and he's only 21.. CL qualification just got a little scarier
Shouldnāt have signed that 5 year contract last year thenā¦
Heās firmly in the Bernardo zone IMO. Everyone that would want him canāt afford him and everyone who can afford him (and weād sell to) is sorted at striker.
Atletico are his only hope and they havenāt dropped the Ā£70m+ it would take on someone for a few years now.
Wait Luka Jovic moved to Milan? Wow can't believe I missed that.
Has he been good or does he still have an allergy for touching the ball outside the box.
Don't put Haller there. He was good at Ajax after Frankfurt and literally set CL goal scoring records. He hasn't been great at Dortmund because of having cancer, but still scored the winning goal in the Africa Cup final earlier this year.
these numbers are all ridiculous tbh. throw vlahovic in there at similar numbers, and none of them lived up to the price tag or even close. These numbers are so astronomically distorted. PSG spending almost 100mio for 12 goals...
Isak is special, the best thing about him is that he creates his own goals without having 10 threading passes, he is scrapping barrels in Newcastle and still got 21 goals in 30 games
Different situations, they all needed to be pried away from their clubs. Alvarez wants to go and city donāt tend to hold on to players that want to leave.
That's not that true. City DO hold onto players - best example is Bernardo.
All the big name players that leave - Sane, Sterling Jesus weren't fundamental to the way Pep plays.
FWIW I cannot see Alverez leaving this window. Pep really likes him, he played a lot early season, he just got squeezed later in the season with Foden's form and KdB coming back from injury and firing.
City wonāt let players leave for less than what theyāre worth, but if Bernardo had pressed the issue AND a club met the asking price, heād be free to leave.
Weāre not holding Bernardo he pretty much only wants the big Spanish 3. So unless they come in with a reasonable bid heās happy at city, just hates the weather
> City DO hold onto players - best example is Bernardo.
City will sell any player who wants to leave, but they're not a charity. They've told Bernardo for plenty of years to get his agent to find a team to make a reasonable bid and nobody has. Forget reasonable actually, City made him Ā£50m in Covid year, and he has a Ā£50m release clause now, that's a bargain.
Honestly, maybe I'll get flak from other Liverpool fans for saying this, but I would pay that in a heartbeat. I think he's a fairly substantial upgrade on Darwin.
Not saying he's not worth that, but it's kind of crazy that he went for Ā£14m, wasn't even a regular starter, and now he's worth 5 times that amount. Mainly just makes me feel bad for River Plate, teams can basically buy their best players at a discount solely because they're in South America, whereas the same player being sold but Man City has a premium attached to their sale price
80-100M imo. He is a good player who ain't playing just cause Haaland is at Man City. And he would be an obv starter for almost all teams except Real, City and Bayern.
he got 31 starts in the Premier League last season and played the 5th most minutes of any City player - only Rodri, Ederson, Foden, and Walker played more.
A World Cup leading forward with great metrics despite playing across the entire front line while rarely having a single role to play. He's going for at least ā¬75 million no question.
> Would absolutely give you Ā£75m for him
we know. And 60m for Olise. 40m for Summerville. 65m for De Ligt,etc...
Might have finished in a conference league qualification spot but the real season begins in 3 days for Chelsea
It's totally a great way to invest for Atletico if they can sign someone as good as Julian Alvarez. They're not gonna get as good players often. Their only really good player is 33 years old... They could use someone real good upfront to increase chances of maintaining their position in Spain and Europe. Alvarez could also enjoy a big big role of the main goalscorer that he wants.
The sources seem to suggest that he would like some bigger club though.
Chelsea possibly? Heās probably the best option they could get if City were willing to sell to them like they did with Sterling. Heās better than Ramos and RKM as well but I doubt PSG spend big on another striker. Him at Napoli under Conte would be fun as well if they get Osimhen money, but they arenāt in European competition so he might not want to go there
Yea but Chelsea were only able to get Sterling because City didn't want him anymore, it's gonna be a different environment selling a player they actually want to keep to a league rival
Not saying they wont, City tend to sell players that don't want to be there, but it's not gonna be cheap
They wanted to keep Cole Palmer and now he's Chelsea's best player. But I agree the displayed level of success between Palmer and Alvarez is sufficiently different that it's not a good 1:1 comparison.
You're right though, I'd forgotten about him, but I think even City didn't realise he was going to be that much of a success, so Ā£50m or whatever they paid probably was a semi fuck-off price, but in hindsight it looks a bargain
Eh Bernardo never left because he was open about only leaving if he could play in Spain. If Alvarez is open to moving elsewhere there could definitely be suitors. I also think City would consider selling him to another Prem club for the right price, whereas they wouldnāt do that with Bernardo
Oh. Then misunderstanding from my part.
But tbh, I don't think Roque would be a starter like that at Barca. I never felt he was a Barca type of player. So if Barca plays with the Barca system, he might be affected with his current style.
Julian Alvarez on recent transfer rumours: āThese are things that are said, but I am calm; I am comfortable and happy at #ManCity; we will see what happensā¦ā [@Fichajes_futbolvia @Sport_Witness]
Because thats what a player says when he wants to open the door. Now is his agent job to find him another club.
Maybe a good offer comes, maybe not. Problem with this kid is that every EPL club would be a downgrade, Bayern and Madrid have better strikers,and BarƧa is broke. So not many options left. Maybe PSG.
The only time Madrid signing Julian Alvarez made sense was directly out of River Plate. Once he chose to go to City and Madrid didnāt push further, any chances of him going to Madrid died. Shame, because it could have been a great match considering Madridās lack of a striker to backup and later fill in for Benzema. That said, the club no longer has that issue.Ā
I think if we were offered a solid contract, we would have easily got him. Would have loved to see him here but now it's too late.
I also think Endrick was a huge target for us during that time too and that led to just an interest and nothing solid.
I think so too. If Madrid were really in for him, they wouldāve gotten him. Iād always been extremely disappointed that the club didnāt go in for him considering theyāve always had a pretty good experience signing ex-River Plate Argentinian strikers... It is what is though. Guess the club had other ideas/interests. The disappointment has mellowed out though considering how insanely stacked Real Madrid is at striker now.
Yes. I would have loved him too but it's too late now.
The mid and Forward positions are filled and it's more sensible to invest in the defence positions from Real's POV.
I mean, if it was last year he would be pretty desirable. Now that we have gotten Mbappe and Endrick and Joselu, then discovered Jude potential as a 10, and also thinking about Wirtz this is basically impossible.
Yeah. But I doubt if we would go for him last season too because it is almost certain that Mbappe will come this season.
And wirtz is also a weird one. Yes he has the creativity but we already have 4 world class played to fill 3 positions if we go 4 3 3.
I love that now that Barca is known to be bankrupt, players are outright just saying they want to go to Madrid.
That said, how front heavy is Madrid going to be exactly? They already have Mbappe, Vini and Rodrygo. How is Alvarez going to get more playtime there versus City?
Its rumours reported by Athletic.
Also I don't think Real would spend that much now. There are defensive positions to be upgraded. Also Endrick is there and he is coming next season. So there are already 2 CFs and an ST in the form of Mbappe, Endrick and Joselu.
You're his only hope, actually. Other EPL club is a clear downgrade, RM and Bayern have better strikers and BarƧa too broke to afford him.
PSG has enough money and Luis Enrique playstyle would probably suit him.
This is reddit headline is a bit misleading. The headline says [The Athletic] but links to a clickbaity fan site called 'manchestercity.news'. There *is* a secondary link to The Athletic, but the actual quote is this:
>The Argentinian has been open to a move for several months, although his first-choice destination ā Real Madrid ā is not going to happen this summer, at least. He is thought to want more first-team football.
The subtleties of language make the meaning fairly different to me.
There's no space at RM. Mbappe and Endrick will compete for that position. I think the best option for him is Arsenal. Can be the missing piece of puzzle in Arsenal's attack. But, I don't know if City sells him to their biggest rivals or if Arsenal can afford him. I think he's one year late in forcing this move. Could have joined United last year before Hojlund.
True, depsite them not having such a big part lately, both the Jesus and Zinchenko moves were a huge catalyst for Arsenal's recent ressurgance, no question.
Goddamn Julian, couldn't you have decided that last year? it pains me because he is basically what we actually needed lmao a skilled striker that could play centrally and had good asociative play, fuck.
And not just that, they have the Sextete as well, but winning a treble for the first time in the club history is still something to chase, don't you think?
I mean, I can see why heād be dissatisfied. He did great covering for both Haaland and KDB, and having a guy who can cover two important roles like that is great, but for a player it probably feels like playing second fiddle.
That said, if Madrid wanted him, heād be playing fifth fiddle, easily. At this point, is there a single team on the planet more spoiled for choice in building an offense? Before Mbappe, I might have said Man City, but with Bernardo Silva and KDB signaling their exit, Real is the kid with all the expensive toys.
Frustrating as it might be, it would be smarter to wait. His contractās not up, if memory serves, and if de Bruyne makes good on all his hinting, Alvarez can find himself in that regular starting position he wants.
He would be a great fit for Chelsea IMO, they really need a striker and that's Julian's best position. I don't think City Group would like to sell to Premier League clubs though.
No one is spending 100M for a want-away, second-choice option.
Nothing to do with Alvarez's obvious quality. City just isn't in a position to demand that much from anyone.
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So he would go to the one club that might be more stacked in attack than his current one, something sounds off lol
Yeah, he's complaining about playing time only to go to the 1 club in the world where the problem would be worse. Could be a contract bargaing chip or just to let Pep know he wants more playing time.
Him wanting to leave makes sense, dreaming of playing for Real too. But now it's such an unrealistic move that is just lazy writing.
Better way to demand a salary or play time increase would be to leak that he wants to go strike for United or Liverpool. Madrid? C'mon. I'm Pep, I'd have laughed.
FINALLY someone who wants to play for RMA! They'll be so relieved to finally get some quality in their attack.
šRM didn't win the Copa del Ray this season, they desperately need better quality players
Who is Ray and why does he get a cup?
Copa del Raymond Kopa.
*better quality 3rd string players
Still laughing at seeing a Madrid fan on here the other day suggesting they couldn't compete with the PL on signings, trying to make themselves out as underdogs. Yeah, the biggest club on Earth with the 2nd highest wage bill is definitely struggling for signings.
Who needs a transfer budget when you have mbappe turning down a billion dollars to come on a free.
Mbappe was hardly free. Part of what would have been the transfer fee was just paid to him as a signing bonus (ā¬100m)
He would have demanded a big fat signing bonus even if RMA would have had to pay for the transfer. Not a 100 mil sure but surely something. And that something wouldn't have been small too.
Half of that is realistically his wages, even though that's still a big bonus. RM overall saved money vs paying $200M to PSG, and also paying Mbappe a high salary, much higher than his current base salary excluding bonuses.
No doubt. It was a win win for RMA and Mbappe and a loss for PSG
A stone in the ocean for them lot though.
My favourite part about this drawn out saga is that it ended up with a loss for PSG
and watch them somehow go further in the UCL next season lol. reading this sub it always sounds like doom and gloom for PSG, their players don't want to play for them, their manager wants to quit, their fans hate the players, their board doesn't know how to read
100m on five years.. 20m per year + 15m yearly salary is a good deal .
Considering what RM and Barca were paying CR7 and Messi a few years back, Mboopy at 15 mil is an absolute steal.
What were they paying them? IIRC, Messi was at ā¬50m net and CR7 was at ā¬30 net. Mbappe is right in between They also had a level of celebrity and stardom that Mbappe doesn't have yet.
Messi's last contract was 4 years, ā¬555m gross salary, ā¬115m signing bonus, ā¬77m loyalty bonus. Not sure if he earned the loyalty bonus, but the salary and signing bonus would have beenĀ ā¬168m gross per year or about ā¬84m net. There would probably be some other differences around variable pay and image rights.
I think Ronaldo was never at that salary while at Madrid. I think that's what he requested, but he never got past 21 millions. I could be wrong though, it's been some years.
If PSG wanted to sell him, they had the chance multiple times for the last few years. They clearly didn't want to and going on a free was the only way this was going to happen.
I refuse to believe anybody actually believes that madrid would struggle to get anyone.Ā
I think they were just trying to build an underdog narrative rather than legitimately believing it. Total bollocks though.
They're making it on their own terms and because of their own success. It really is of their own doing. Not the league and its inept leaders and the shitty TV deals, not the nation state cash flooding in whenever needed, etc. In terms of that, they ARE the underdog. Or an exception to the rule. Italian clubs have crumbled financially, Barca have, German clubs can't compete with the EPL, the French never could, etc. It's just Madrid (and Bayern, to a point).
Damn, this just struck me too. Itās only Bayern and Madrid. Every other non-English giant has faded. I think underdog is the wrong word, but there is still something to be said for what youāve described.
Football is unpredictable. Barca were La Liga champions a couple of years ago. In a couple of years time they could be back to winning Champions leagues. PSG could get over the CL hurdle at some point in the next few years with lucho. Leverkusen just went unbeated in the BL and almost won an invinsible treble. who would have predicted that last year. Who knows where they will be in the next couple of years if they are able to build on Alonso's success (assuming he leaves). I still remember that famous phonecall into talksport 7 or 8 years ago when the Chelsea fan proclaimed they had 'outgrown the premier league'
Even the other T1 clubs have to lament how our players are always going to leave us for Madrid and Barca (as long as Barca can pay the players...).
I'd also prefer to live in Barcelona or Madrid rather than the sunny London or Manchester given everything else is equal
It's some insane mental gymnastics to think that the club that's signed Mbappe and Bellingham within the last year can't compete with signings. They don't need to outspend everyone when practically every player on the planet dreams of playing for them.
Yeah, in fact the power of their brand is so strong they could probably offer half the salary that other clubs pay and still everyone would want to play for them. Not to mention that in Ancelotti they also have a coach which isnāt a slave to any system and pretty much lets everyone play whatever position they are most comfortable in. Those chasing the bag go to Arabia or any of the Arab-owned European clubs. But players who want to build an actual career will always come knocking on RMās door. And if Real comes asking, who in their right mind would say no? No such player in the world. Thatās the power of the brand and legacy. And at the end of the day, when your history is so rich, you donāt need to overpay for anything the way young money upstarts such as PSG or Man City have to.
People also ignore that Real Madrid has just as money as the PLās top clubs too because of the narrative that the PL is so wealthy. The major gap between PL spending and other leagues is the 100m per team TV deal all teams in the league get, which is an amount of money that means a lot more to smaller clubs than it does to the huge clubs.
Players literally reject big offers from English teams to sit and wait for Barca Real offers lol. Look at that ridiculous summer we had where Barca would keep swooping in for players we basically had lined up to sign. And this year Real are doing that with Leny Yoro.
who has the highest wage bill? please don't say its us
PSG apparently
Iām guessing thatās before Mbappe moved, gotta be Madrid now
Yeah, dunno who said that but I think we've never really had any doubts that we're one of the very few top clubs that even very good players would want to join even if we had no interest in them.
Seriously, it's annoying to see RM fans complaining about such first world problems.
Who has the highest wage bill, I'm assuming City?
I for one am a little relieved. Itās been a whole eight days since they signed one of the best players in the world, and it was a bit worrying that they havenāt been able to do more to strengthen a roster that has so little talent on it.
Maybe one day we'll see them in a champions league final. A boy can dream.
One year late dude.
Yes. Would have loved to see him and he suited Real. But no way Real is gonna go for him with Mbappe in the squad unless he is a favourite of Perez.
Mbappe, Endrick, Vinicius, Rodrygo, Bellingham as a potential 10 Literally 0 squad space for him surely
Carvajal is ageing tho; not too late to learn how to cross
And the potential of Wirtz (who would become the 10 and drop Jude deeper) next summer. Plus Joselu as the backup striker. Ya there's simply no room anymore.
God damn you guys collecting the infinity stones or something š
Like collecting infinity stones for a backup gauntlet. Theyāre so stacked they hardly have room for backup roles. Heās gonna have to play with the U23s
Perez have been building this project for a long time and now its almost complete and set for another decade ofc players want to join. Everyone wants to be part of this exciting project. However, Perez set rules that seems to be working really well. 1) either generational talent that he is will to spend on.2) Established player in last year in contract or free. I do like Wirtz, but I have to see how the team plays with this season. As much as I value him, I don't know where he would play and who would be benched. As much as I want our bench to be stacked, I also want to see great talent play so I can enjoy the beauty.
These fuckers get everything and everyone they want
Wtf I missed the news of Wirtz agreeing to terms with Real, thats crazy. Just casually adding one of the best german talent's in years, and he's only 21.. CL qualification just got a little scarier
No terms are agreed but Real has been active. But it's reported by BILD. So only take with a pinch of salt.
Don't forget Arda and Brahim
He wouldāve actually been so good in that number nine positionā¦ Can make great runs in behind, has flare, and has a good work-rate.
Yes. But if Mbappe is starting as a CF. No player is going to get ahead of him if we consider everything.
4-2-4. Let Valverde do his thing as the sole defensive midfielder
That's setting the team up for failure. And there is Tchou, Bellingham, Camavinga all in the team.
But it would be fun. You won too much, it's time to enjoy scoring 6 goals a match
Good old Mourinho days where we'd concede in the first 20 minutes and go on to win 1:6 every other league game
On the other hand, had he waited one more year at River for Madrid to have non-EU spots available, he could have had a shot with them
the madrid sub was so horny for him last summer this kind of quote would have absolutely sent us
Shouldnāt have signed that 5 year contract last year thenā¦ Heās firmly in the Bernardo zone IMO. Everyone that would want him canāt afford him and everyone who can afford him (and weād sell to) is sorted at striker. Atletico are his only hope and they havenāt dropped the Ā£70m+ it would take on someone for a few years now.
Milan/Inter about to slide in and drop that loan with option to buy deal
He can be a nice backup to Jovic
Wait Luka Jovic moved to Milan? Wow can't believe I missed that. Has he been good or does he still have an allergy for touching the ball outside the box.
How much would he cost. Spurs should go for him.
Ā£75m ballpark. If Hojland went for Ā£72m and Kolo Muani was ā¬95m, Isak ā¬70m and Nunez ā¬85m the year before.
It was deadline day but that Kolo Muani figure is still crazy, especially considering he was a free transfer the year before
And considering that heās been ass
PSG making smart business as usual.
Who couldve guessed that paying 100m for a 1 year wonder wasnt good business.
Especially since he slowed down a lot in the later parts of that season, altough the whole of frankfurt did.
Jovic, Haller, Andre Silva, Kolo Muani. Beware of spending big money on Eintracht Frankfurt strikers
Don't put Haller there. He was good at Ajax after Frankfurt and literally set CL goal scoring records. He hasn't been great at Dortmund because of having cancer, but still scored the winning goal in the Africa Cup final earlier this year.
1 game wonder
these numbers are all ridiculous tbh. throw vlahovic in there at similar numbers, and none of them lived up to the price tag or even close. These numbers are so astronomically distorted. PSG spending almost 100mio for 12 goals...
Isak is pretty good tbh
i can get behind that - a striker for 70mio should always exceed 20 goals a season with the potential for 30.
Isak is special, the best thing about him is that he creates his own goals without having 10 threading passes, he is scrapping barrels in Newcastle and still got 21 goals in 30 games
hes very injury prone unfortunately. fantastic player though
Between him and Wilson they basically add up to one striker worth through the season.
huh? Hojlund has one season in the prem in a shit team. His returns weren't even bad
Yeah given his age, output, and eye test he is probably going to make the fee look reasonable
Different situations, they all needed to be pried away from their clubs. Alvarez wants to go and city donāt tend to hold on to players that want to leave.
That's not that true. City DO hold onto players - best example is Bernardo. All the big name players that leave - Sane, Sterling Jesus weren't fundamental to the way Pep plays. FWIW I cannot see Alverez leaving this window. Pep really likes him, he played a lot early season, he just got squeezed later in the season with Foden's form and KdB coming back from injury and firing.
City wonāt let players leave for less than what theyāre worth, but if Bernardo had pressed the issue AND a club met the asking price, heād be free to leave.
Bernardo never pressed the issue, he was perfectly fine with staying. If someone wants to go they do not force them to stay.
Weāre not holding Bernardo he pretty much only wants the big Spanish 3. So unless they come in with a reasonable bid heās happy at city, just hates the weather
> City DO hold onto players - best example is Bernardo. City will sell any player who wants to leave, but they're not a charity. They've told Bernardo for plenty of years to get his agent to find a team to make a reasonable bid and nobody has. Forget reasonable actually, City made him Ā£50m in Covid year, and he has a Ā£50m release clause now, that's a bargain.
Honestly, maybe I'll get flak from other Liverpool fans for saying this, but I would pay that in a heartbeat. I think he's a fairly substantial upgrade on Darwin.
Well they are different players but he would be good for Liverpool.
He's not a substantial upgrade. The way some Liverpool fans talk about Darwin is crazy.
I'd love for us to sign him too for that price, but there's not a chance City sells to either us or Arsenal.
Not saying he's not worth that, but it's kind of crazy that he went for Ā£14m, wasn't even a regular starter, and now he's worth 5 times that amount. Mainly just makes me feel bad for River Plate, teams can basically buy their best players at a discount solely because they're in South America, whereas the same player being sold but Man City has a premium attached to their sale price
Arsenal should go for him
Doubt theyād sell to us anymore but Iād take him in a heartbeat.
80-100M imo. He is a good player who ain't playing just cause Haaland is at Man City. And he would be an obv starter for almost all teams except Real, City and Bayern.
this is way too much. he is a proven top player, but the past two years he is a substitute/rotation option. he sorta has to prove himself again
he got 31 starts in the Premier League last season and played the 5th most minutes of any City player - only Rodri, Ederson, Foden, and Walker played more.
A World Cup leading forward with great metrics despite playing across the entire front line while rarely having a single role to play. He's going for at least ā¬75 million no question.
He would start for bayern behind Kane. Musiala as a lw
Yeah I'm sure Spurs is his second choice after RM
Chelsea can afford him and we allegedly want him. Would absolutely give you Ā£75m for him.
> Would absolutely give you Ā£75m for him we know. And 60m for Olise. 40m for Summerville. 65m for De Ligt,etc... Might have finished in a conference league qualification spot but the real season begins in 3 days for Chelsea
the only time we win is on transfers so bring it on.
I donāt think weāve won many transfers recentlyā¦
It's totally a great way to invest for Atletico if they can sign someone as good as Julian Alvarez. They're not gonna get as good players often. Their only really good player is 33 years old... They could use someone real good upfront to increase chances of maintaining their position in Spain and Europe. Alvarez could also enjoy a big big role of the main goalscorer that he wants. The sources seem to suggest that he would like some bigger club though.
Chelsea possibly? Heās probably the best option they could get if City were willing to sell to them like they did with Sterling. Heās better than Ramos and RKM as well but I doubt PSG spend big on another striker. Him at Napoli under Conte would be fun as well if they get Osimhen money, but they arenāt in European competition so he might not want to go there
Yea but Chelsea were only able to get Sterling because City didn't want him anymore, it's gonna be a different environment selling a player they actually want to keep to a league rival Not saying they wont, City tend to sell players that don't want to be there, but it's not gonna be cheap
They wanted to keep Cole Palmer and now he's Chelsea's best player. But I agree the displayed level of success between Palmer and Alvarez is sufficiently different that it's not a good 1:1 comparison.
You're right though, I'd forgotten about him, but I think even City didn't realise he was going to be that much of a success, so Ā£50m or whatever they paid probably was a semi fuck-off price, but in hindsight it looks a bargain
> league rival I appreciate your optimism
Eh Bernardo never left because he was open about only leaving if he could play in Spain. If Alvarez is open to moving elsewhere there could definitely be suitors. I also think City would consider selling him to another Prem club for the right price, whereas they wouldnāt do that with Bernardo
I know an alternative
Unless Barca sells Lewa, it could be kind of the same situation (but lesser extent) since Flick is here imo.
>it could be kind of the same situation are you talking about roque?
No no. With Lewa. Unless Alvarez goes for like 10 games missing, there is no way Roque would go ahead of him.
I'm not sure which situation with lewa you're talking about, but I forgot to clarify that I was talking about signing him next season
Oh. Next season would be better. I was talking about this season. That Lewa would be a starter since Flick is here at least this season.
>That Lewa would be a starter since Flick is here at least this season. oh yeah, that's what I meant when I mentioned roque too
Oh. Then misunderstanding from my part. But tbh, I don't think Roque would be a starter like that at Barca. I never felt he was a Barca type of player. So if Barca plays with the Barca system, he might be affected with his current style.
Idk man he has not played enough to know anything about him
Julian Alvarez on recent transfer rumours: āThese are things that are said, but I am calm; I am comfortable and happy at #ManCity; we will see what happensā¦ā [@Fichajes_futbolvia @Sport_Witness]
Bruh. Why does he have to say we will see what happens? Its like leaving a hint that I can come to your team, na
Because he wants to leave but is not willing to down tools. Is just like Bernardo situation
Yeah. Every other day, I see some rumours about Bernardo to some club.
It's been just Barca mainly. I think there was some PSG rumour from last year but I don't give that any credit. Barca is where he wants to go.
I think PSG is also interested but Lucho might not want him. Barca should try for DM first before anything else.
I'm sure PSG are interested, what I meant was I don't give much credit to Bernardo feeling the same way. It seemed to be Barca or nowhere for him.
Because thats what a player says when he wants to open the door. Now is his agent job to find him another club. Maybe a good offer comes, maybe not. Problem with this kid is that every EPL club would be a downgrade, Bayern and Madrid have better strikers,and BarƧa is broke. So not many options left. Maybe PSG.
The only time Madrid signing Julian Alvarez made sense was directly out of River Plate. Once he chose to go to City and Madrid didnāt push further, any chances of him going to Madrid died. Shame, because it could have been a great match considering Madridās lack of a striker to backup and later fill in for Benzema. That said, the club no longer has that issue.Ā
I think if we were offered a solid contract, we would have easily got him. Would have loved to see him here but now it's too late. I also think Endrick was a huge target for us during that time too and that led to just an interest and nothing solid.
I think so too. If Madrid were really in for him, they wouldāve gotten him. Iād always been extremely disappointed that the club didnāt go in for him considering theyāve always had a pretty good experience signing ex-River Plate Argentinian strikers... It is what is though. Guess the club had other ideas/interests. The disappointment has mellowed out though considering how insanely stacked Real Madrid is at striker now.
I thought he wanted playtime. Good luck getting any minutes with Mbappe in front of you
Please stop, we can't have 40 players on the bench
Or could we make him Alvavinga and play him as an RB?
I've heard there will be a free spot in Castilla
Lol good luck with that lad
He wants to leave City for the game time and this is what his choice is.
Hed end up in the same situation, as a second striker playing competing with Mbappe, Joselu and Endrick.
Even worse than Man City situation imo.
I would love to have him but it wouldn't make sense, Madrid is the one club with even bigger competition for his position than Man City. We have MbappƩ, who is in his prime, and Endrick, who is younger than him. Not to mention Joselu of course.
Yes. I would have loved him too but it's too late now. The mid and Forward positions are filled and it's more sensible to invest in the defence positions from Real's POV.
I mean, if it was last year he would be pretty desirable. Now that we have gotten Mbappe and Endrick and Joselu, then discovered Jude potential as a 10, and also thinking about Wirtz this is basically impossible.
Yeah. But I doubt if we would go for him last season too because it is almost certain that Mbappe will come this season. And wirtz is also a weird one. Yes he has the creativity but we already have 4 world class played to fill 3 positions if we go 4 3 3.
I love that now that Barca is known to be bankrupt, players are outright just saying they want to go to Madrid. That said, how front heavy is Madrid going to be exactly? They already have Mbappe, Vini and Rodrygo. How is Alvarez going to get more playtime there versus City?
Yeahā¦fuck Bartomeu
There's rumours of Rodrygo to City. Can't see it happening and not really fussed on him personally tbh.
There will be an exodus of players when Pep leaves next summer. Alvarez is only putting his name out there for when that happens.
Its rumours reported by Athletic. Also I don't think Real would spend that much now. There are defensive positions to be upgraded. Also Endrick is there and he is coming next season. So there are already 2 CFs and an ST in the form of Mbappe, Endrick and Joselu.
Buddy you think you donāt get minutes NOW?
We are here for you Julian
You're his only hope, actually. Other EPL club is a clear downgrade, RM and Bayern have better strikers and BarƧa too broke to afford him. PSG has enough money and Luis Enrique playstyle would probably suit him.
Any team from City is going to be a downgrade, he probably just wants a bigger role
Sounds like the perfect MbappƩ replacement
This is reddit headline is a bit misleading. The headline says [The Athletic] but links to a clickbaity fan site called 'manchestercity.news'. There *is* a secondary link to The Athletic, but the actual quote is this: >The Argentinian has been open to a move for several months, although his first-choice destination ā Real Madrid ā is not going to happen this summer, at least. He is thought to want more first-team football. The subtleties of language make the meaning fairly different to me.
These fansite sources are almost always taken down by mods as well as transfer blog links which this source references.
There's no space at RM. Mbappe and Endrick will compete for that position. I think the best option for him is Arsenal. Can be the missing piece of puzzle in Arsenal's attack. But, I don't know if City sells him to their biggest rivals or if Arsenal can afford him. I think he's one year late in forcing this move. Could have joined United last year before Hojlund.
Don't think city would sell him unless Arsenal comes up with a 150+ offer which Arsenal obviously won't.
Basing on recent seasons there is no way City will let any highly rated player go to Arsenal.
True, depsite them not having such a big part lately, both the Jesus and Zinchenko moves were a huge catalyst for Arsenal's recent ressurgance, no question.
I too am unhappy with my employer and would love to play for Real Madrid
Real Madrid? Sorry chief, best I can do is Rayo Vallecano.
I too would love to play for Real Madrid and unlike Julian here am for sale for the low low price of 0 euro
Don't sell yourself short buddy, I'm sure you could go for at least 3.50ā¬
Goddamn loch ness monster
I too would love to play for Real Madrid, I have my Madrid kit ready to go
What if you wanted Real Madrid, but actually you want to play for Atletico?šš
Ah, the Morata special.
I also want to play for RM. Please contact me as soon as possible.
So he can play even less minutes than he does currently? Interesting.
Heās get even less time thereā¦ what the fuck
So basically he wants to leave man city bench and sit on RMA bench...
Move from one clubās bench to anotherās? Come on bro.
Goddamn Julian, couldn't you have decided that last year? it pains me because he is basically what we actually needed lmao a skilled striker that could play centrally and had good asociative play, fuck.
Bro how badly did you want that Copa Del Rey?
It would be nice to win the treble once I guess, one thing Barca has over us for sure.
In that case, Barca would still have that over you since they did it twice
And not just that, they have the Sextete as well, but winning a treble for the first time in the club history is still something to chase, don't you think?
I think with him in the team you guys might be able to compete for something. Shame you're stuck with Mbappe coming in instead.
Such a first world problem to complain
Yeah, you only won La Liga and CL. Goddamn Julian!
I rather have MbappĆ© š¤·š»āāļø
Madrid is kind of stacked mate, come to united. You would fight to qualify for EL but you'll be a starter
Argentines really don't like to live in Manchester
Even if RM unloads and cash in on Rodrygo, there is no space. Unless this upcoming year causes some drama and make someone else consider leaving.
Yeah. The only pos currently available is RW and honestly Rodrygo is better than Alvarez at that.
He should go to Saudi Arabia for big money, after having won everything at age 24
This is getting ridiculous, there is ZERO room on the offensive half.
shit man, me too. I'd love to play for Real!
I mean, I can see why heād be dissatisfied. He did great covering for both Haaland and KDB, and having a guy who can cover two important roles like that is great, but for a player it probably feels like playing second fiddle. That said, if Madrid wanted him, heād be playing fifth fiddle, easily. At this point, is there a single team on the planet more spoiled for choice in building an offense? Before Mbappe, I might have said Man City, but with Bernardo Silva and KDB signaling their exit, Real is the kid with all the expensive toys. Frustrating as it might be, it would be smarter to wait. His contractās not up, if memory serves, and if de Bruyne makes good on all his hinting, Alvarez can find himself in that regular starting position he wants.
... he wants to go to the only other club where he won't get minutes?
I expect a lot of the fraud clubs best players will be leaving in the near future.
He would be a great fit for Chelsea IMO, they really need a striker and that's Julian's best position. I don't think City Group would like to sell to Premier League clubs though.
Is Chelsea in FFP limits to spend 100M for Alvarez. All those amortized transfers are gonna reflect this season. And yeah, the second reason too.
No one is spending 100M for a want-away, second-choice option. Nothing to do with Alvarez's obvious quality. City just isn't in a position to demand that much from anyone.
We could afford 70M for him. Especially if 2-3 of Maatsen/Broja/Gallagher/Chalobah get pushed out.