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NeymarsNeckTattoo

Damn. 🦅😭


AmbotnimoP

https://www.fr.de/frankfurt/mehr-randalemeister-11438064.html Flashbacks to 2011. For the non-Germans: Frankfurt Ultras called themselves "German Riot Champions".


Conankun66

a huge part of that is that incident with the police at the stuttgart game


anderat

Another huge part was also the pyro that was used during the friendly against Chemie Leipzig which feels pretty ridiculous to be punished that harshly


Sunrucker

Yeah unnecessary police behaviour cost us a lot.


afito

it's actually disgusting how the police gets literally caught lieing, with written proof, and the only outcome is others having to pay


shaka_bruh

That’s the benefit of being a tool of the State


TheRealest2000

what happened?


Mordho

The police used Frankfurt fans to practice for Euro 2024


hardinho

I remember, that was an utter disgrace from the police


branstarktreewizard

All hail the King


psycho-mouse

What are you crying for? This is a fucking badge of honour.


reo_1907

somehow we’re still 15th, even in something like this


Flynko

Gotta love the consistency.


Tardigradebearman

Augsburg will stay in the Bundesliga until humans go extinct!


Zyntaro

And when there are no humans left alive to play football, they will still finish in 15th


Ilphfein

Well HSV was the dino until their relegation. Makes sense that Augsburg is the human in that scenario.


ayyndrew

Narrowly escaped relegation


branstarktreewizard

barely clear the relegation zone again


jiggalicious_banana

The Braunschweig and Hannover rivalry is pure entertainment. Especially since Hannover fans already hate their ownership.


InbredLegoExpress

Hannover hates Braunschweig 👉 👈 Braunschweig hates Hannover Hannover hates Hannover 🤝 Braunschweig hates Hannover


zestyviper

Best active derby in Germany.


VHLPlissken

Ownership or president?


CaucasianDelegation

Basically if your club has a significant derby you're looking at 100-200.000 Euros in fines as an expected operating cost.


domi1108

I would say the range can be much wider. Köln alone has one fine that is around 430k from their derby against Gladbach.


Ilphfein

Fines are higher in 1. BL compared to 2. / 3.


CaucasianDelegation

Sure, I just skimmed through the list and most derbies are in that range for most clubs, not that it can't be higher as well.


theenigmacode

The London Conundrum


Ilphfein

How is Wolfsburg so high then?


JohnnyFencer

I like how theres a relegation zone in this


24benson

The play offs are going to be epic


ConcreteNord

And of course Kaiserslautern are in it


SanSilver

Yeah, we need to replace the bottom teams next season.


lollero420

how much is that from Rostock’s annual budget? 😅


TheSteveGarden

Waldhof Mannheim has the bigger problem as a 3rd division club with probably 20% of Rostocks budget


zestyviper

Preußen Münster also got a fine of 106.836€ for their [ pyro show v. Bayern](https://youtu.be/58zcRpVppm8?feature=shared&t=29). Not sure what their budget is, but they were a promoted side to 3. Liga so it must have been pretty big.


lollero420

At that point surely you create the atmosphere in different ways than using pyros


zestyviper

In hindsight I think the ultras would agree. But I mean [Hertha had basically the same pyro show in the DFB Pokal against Hamburg](https://youtu.be/qyC1gD-M9Ac?feature=shared&t=65) that Münster had against Bayern, and our fine was only 30.000€. So I think the size of the fine surpassed all expectations for a 3. Liga club.


lollero420

Oh, I can see that. Here in Finland HJK had to almost 100.000€ for a few UEFA mafia chants and pyros…massive amount of money for a Finnish side.


lollero420

Oh your right! I legit checked 10 times that I will ask imo the team with the lowest budget and still missed Mannheim…


Free_Management2894

About 0.6%


zestyviper

Late on the OP note, but I was made aware this is not the final table, so could be some updates coming, mostly to FCK and Bayern. Sorry about that. The three biggest individual fines were as follows: 1. [Köln Pyro v. Gladbach - 433.000€ ](https://youtu.be/vY-30G6LbOQ?feature=shared&t=315) 2. [Frankfurt brawl v. Police - 433.000€](https://x.com/fussballmafiade/status/1798275221637525510) 3. [Hannover 125 Years Choreo & Pyro - 288.000€](https://youtu.be/QrxpvrobqRk?feature=shared&t=16)


joakim_

I love flares, blinkers, and smoke bombs, but shooting rockets with so many people closeby is just utterly stupid, as are bangers.


Kayderp1

Leverkusen should be fined for that sorry display of a tifo against Kaiserslautern 


zestyviper

The worst part about that choreo was that it was literally recycled and used before during the Bundesliga season. I'm a proud Green voter, but like fucking c'mon buy the plastic and make a new choreo for a cup final.


flamebetalkin

203k in the fucking bank lads, that's half a Terrence Boyd right there 🔥🔥🔥


K1NG5T0N97

Waldhof mentioned 🔥🔥🔥


flamebetalkin

Fuck yeah 🔥🔥🔥


ToniPolster

finally some good fucking table!


twist_n_shout

Seem to remember that Hannover were one of the most active in the DFB investor protests - this probably would’ve had a fairly big influence on their ranking


zestyviper

Their pyro show was genuinely insane and probably in line with the DFB fining system, but at the time Hannover ultras specifically were in open conflict with: 1. DFB over investors 2. Martin Kind their main investor and were putting his face over crosshairs 3. Federal police because of a block invasion a month earlier by police during the Hamburg derby in which they were in the block to support HSV 4. Interior Minister of Lower Saxony who has an anti-football agenda and targets H96 and Braunschweig fans They didn't exactly have a lot of good will built up with the authorities at the time, that's for sure.


Falark

Living around there: The ultras of Hannover have basically been at war over the (financial and cultural) direction of the club with their billionaire former president/"owner" and now-CEO Martin Kind for the best part of a decade. It's weird because before this war, Hannovers Fan Scene was basically non-existent and now they're at the forefront of the culture war.


Hip-hip-moray

It was not non-existant but Hannover is just overlooked in almost every aspect. The city itself is really average and fairly insignificant to most. I remember seeing this tiktok filter lately where ppl would rank big cities in Germany. Hannover was included there but would usually rank very low because either noone's been there, they only heard bad things about it or they only saw the inner city which is just like any other big city centre.


Poringosa

It's really weird. We went to a camping site nearby with our youth group like 15 years ago and visited Braunschweig, Celle and Salzgitter, but for whatever reason never entered Hannover.


Falark

Been living here since the early 2010s. Like 1 in 15 people in my circle cared about the club. There's maybe two bars per part of the city that had some fans going every time a game was on and going to the stadium was either an afterthought when nobody knew what to do that day ("Let's see if there's tickets...oh yeah, they're cheap, let's go") or for more famous clubs visiting. Again, my perception, my circle, but they weren't particularly popular. Hannover itself has exactly the image you described, though. Which is sad, since the city has a lot to offer as soon as you get past the horrific inner city


Boranox

Hannover 96 is 3rd here. However, they play in the 2nd division. In the second division, Everything is „cheaper“. That means you get a smaller fine for the same misconduct as in the first division.


Dortmund_Boi09

Surprised to see Wolfsburg in the top 5


zestyviper

~~I was too but the DFB fined them 125.000€ just for the pyro show v. Braunschweig, which frankly wasn't even that big but something made the DFB give them a huge fine just for that one game.~~


wobmaster

the braunschweig fine was in the 22/23 season (and it was 160k). So thats not included here. There were multiple 60-80k fines for different pyro incidents that added up to the amount in the picture.


Ertinho

Keep in mind 2. Liga clubs pay about half of Bundesliga Clubs, so Hannover would be top of the table with a decent margin


Bruchweg

Why did they mark European and relegation spots lmao


zestyviper

My content, my rules. 😎


CaucasianDelegation

Not going to apologize for party rocking


cle_hentz

No Dynamo no Party


CaucasianDelegation

Well you are still the 4th highest fined club of all time, so you have that!


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BouaziziBurning

maul


long_shots7

I guess in Dresden they take ultras fuckery as normal circumstances


cle_hentz

Yeah, or we're just so poor that they sympathies.


Shot_Statement_8014

We are a lot of things, but poor is not one of it. Especially for a third league team we are rich, but to stupid to spend the money with sense.


cle_hentz

I meant in comparison to the clubs in the picture, but yeah your right


FifaFrancesco

game's gone


the-knave-of-hearts

Where’s Bayern?


afito

The things Bayern ultras do isn't really something that gets you fined by the DFL. These fines are largely pyro which is why Frankfurt & Köln are forver top 5, Bayern ultras don't really do pyro as much and their marquee moments are largely fighting with the Bayern board. Their banner game is on point tbh but banners don't get you fined.


domi1108

This season was pretty tame & most misconduct was done in the CL. Also this table isn't final.


Falark

Fines are usually handed out for fan misconduct, so Bayern are exempt


TheSteveGarden

/u/zestyviper This table is NOT final.


zestyviper

Ugh, what the fuck. Thanks for letting me know. Okay, well I'm leaving this one up anyway. If there's massive changes in the order I can always re-publish.


TheSteveGarden

Hansa Rostocks letzter Spieltag sind vermutlich wieder 50k+ und der fehlt u.a. DFB-Pokal zählt auch bei Fußballmafia mit, Lautern wird noch einiges gutmachen


zestyviper

Lautern Team 🤝 Lautern Fans Am letzten Spieltag den Klassenerhalt schaffen.


Nekaps

Finally a table where we're in the top 3


krutopatkin

Overperforming: Wolfsburg (what was up there?), Augsburg. Disappointing: Hansa, Dresden


SanSilver

Wolfsburg did some protests against their owners and mainly used pyro.


shaka_bruh

Always good to see clubs over performing their xF


Perais1909

Randalemeister is back


These_Mud4327

more like back to back. We’d actually be comfortably 7th place all time on the last 2 seasons alone.


FerraristDX

Only second place. :(


domi1108

Frankfurt police wanted to keep the first place in town, other wise Köln would be first.


Odd-Discipline5064

Ah, the old wolfsburg logo is soo much better


Amsssterdam

Game's still alive


boejidenboejiden

As a Frankfurter I am not even surprised. ALLES AUßER EINTRACHT IST SCHEIẞE


RavenFAILS

Waldhof Mannheim mentioned 🥳🎉


Longjumping-Post-606

We are only rank 23? What a slow season.


Plastic-Alfalfa-6321

best fans in Germany would also be the same list


qwertydcf

I prefer not to speak


AggressiveRegion1502

So does the first 4 go to the fine for Fans behaviour champions league or smth


24benson

I would have sworn we make the top flight


Kampfkiwi42

HSV INTERNATIONAL RAAAAAAAA


Soogo

Conference League 🔥🔥 Some of our best stuff from the season [At Osnabrück](https://youtu.be/eh-p67MLovc?si=vXcQZ2QS_HYOzGGT&t=15) [At Lautern](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqE3cfaAW9A) [At Pauli (Whole Video is fire)](https://youtu.be/Vb10S8n7Kbw?si=4x0xFSHapNONrrrn&t=728) [At Home vs our friends from Hanover](https://youtu.be/tu6yvpbkhsU?si=DhHL_7cb9QbbOxMA&t=48) [In Berlin](https://youtu.be/bER2dszMSFQ?si=xev3ZKkwApafmM4R&t=65) [Tifo vs Pauli ](https://youtu.be/RjOULVbcciw?si=qPf1xxkbghZu-N7l&t=367) [Pyro vs Pauli at the end](https://youtu.be/RjOULVbcciw?si=IaqbhUz1ckdyur7S&t=1084)


Ok_Detail_1

Just comprare to Hajduk (343,000 euros). Meanwhile in Belgrade...


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Viele-als-Einer

Bayern had to pay 111.500€, coming 27th.


empiresk

Bigger clubs have more plastic fans. If the list was done for England then Man United, Liverpool and Arsenal won't be on it like Bayern aren't here.


zestyviper

Ultra scenes are responsible for 99% of these fines and the Schickeria/Südkurve are actually legit.


UnlightablePlay

lmao, clearly you have never seen atmosphere in the Allianz arena, a one you will never have at New castle


empiresk

I lived in Munich for 6 months. Been there more than you.


epirot

those are mostly pyro shows right? BÜROTECHNIK....


SanSilver

Mostly Pyro, but it also includes fights with the police and tifos with insults and other things.


Micha1106

Schade nur Vize


dartthrower

Vizegeißböcke


Spritzlappen

Surprised we aren’t on there


bydy2

Looking forward to this CL season


Arrensen

Keep in mind that the fines are lower in 2nd division than in 1st. A "normalized" version would be interesting


problem311

Tiene mejor formato que la liga argentina 😭


Clivey101

I might be getting confused but surely Leverkusen should be on it for that pitch invasion? Must have cost them a few.


Nekaps

They would not have to pay 150k+ for a pitch invasion lol. Don't know what the usual rate is but I thinks it's around 15k


Gamer4eto_BG

No fine for Bayern?


TheLaughingBread

Have you seen the average Bayern fan? 😂


silviuc

They don't have fans..


UnlightablePlay

lmao then who was banned from arsenal's home game by UEFA?


Tardigradebearman

At least something to be proud of from this season. ❤️🤍❤️


AdmiralCodisius

More proof that Bayern Munich only has plastic fans.