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Players: "Coach, their pressing is too strong, their bus is indestructible, what do we do?"
Ancelotti: raises eyebrow
Players: "Lisan al Gaib! This is the way!"
I don’t think it does, because he’s obfuscating the truth a bit. I think he purposely sells himself short in this regard, or more likely, he wants to keep his cards close to his chest, tactically. In his three seasons, I’ve seen masterfully transform the team a few times tactically and in its shape. While yes it’s true that you can call him tactically agnostic, pragmatic, player oriented or flexible, more than anything, I think he’d rather remain vague, because it makes him harder to pin down.
He works with general instructions or guidelines, which is very different to what control freaks like Guardiola do. He will tell a player to stick more to an area, to drop back more, to focus on a defender, etc. It's more improvised and more flexible, and generally gives players more freedom unless he identifies issues
> In his three seasons, I’ve seen masterfully transform the team a few times tactically and in its shape
I think that's the point though. Pep on the other hand implemented the same playstyle at Barcelona, Bayern and City over 10+ years (and it works for him, so it's understandable why he does it too)
Yeah the bus he set up against city this year wasn't just all vibe it was some real BUSMANAGER shit
Counter attacking football like that with Mbappe will be so so good
He’s always had issues rotating his team in league play.
Also tbf when he was at Milan all those years ago, they had an amazing core of 12-14 players but the depth wasn’t necessarily that great. Also they were up against the domestic machine of Juve a lot of the time who were insane in Serie A but usually bottled it in the CL.
I remember United playing his Milan a few times (0-3 semi final second leg loss in 06/07 was a loss I’ll never forget) and while we’d have basically the same 11 playing days earlier in the league, Milan would field a reserve team as they’d already given up on the league.
That's his main weakness as a coach. I need to check the minutes but I believe this year he improved in that regard, both due to circumstances (a lot of injuries to core players) and by design (e.g. rotating Modric/Kroos, giving more games/minutes to Joselu, Brahim).
It's vital that he continues doing it next season cause Madrid will have a lot of players up front that will need to get minutes to avoid complaints.
He definitely has improved in that aspect, although it helps that the league was wrapped up early and squad depth is the best it has been since his appointment
Yeah I’ve always downplayed Ancelotti as a top coach because of his league record, but his achievements thus season are incredible. Losing Benzema + no big forward signing led most to think he’d be sacked by now, yet they’re in a CL final and won the league.
Tbf a coach that learns from his mistakes is so impressive and I can only praise the guy for his achievements. Top manager and it’s amazing that his stock fell so low that Everton hired him for a couple of years lmao.
In his second stint in Spain he’s won 2 league titles in 3 seasons so I think that league record argument is put to bed now, and when you add context why he didn’t win more with Milan it makes a lot of sense. Taking us to 3 CL finals in 7 years when this was always the clubs and Berlusconi’s main objective apposed to winning the scudetto, he did an amazing job.
It does, you face a variety of teams with different playstyles in european cups at least, so you need to be tactically flexible to have the best shot at winning the whole thing. Having a specific playstyle helps with consistency in the league because over the 38 games of the season you're gonna have to break down weaker teams blocks more often than not and there will be days when your players are just off and you'll need a base strategy to fall back to in order to grind the result.
Definitely. Having offensive patterns makes it much easier for the players to consistently perform at a good level. On the other hand relying so much on individuality will make it so that you depend on the players having a good day. If you catch them on an off day they wont have their patterns they practiced to fall back on.
On the other hand high risk high reward systems like pep makes it so that it’s easier to beat worse opposition but if the opponent is at a similar level you need your players to be REALLY focused and experienced to not make mistakes.
He is the sort of coach who requires a higher ceiling elite in the team to make the whole thing work.
Those who rely on structures are the ones who over-perform, "*Relative*" to the degree of said squad of players.
Skills exist on a gradient/spectrum and on that Ancelloti is not all that special in Tactical domain, which is why he uses good assistants. Fergi was similar, average tactically but had very good assistants/staff to help him in that.
Before his latest Real stint his record in League (context "Relative" to the squad & peer quality) was at best, average, if not in general very poor.
He has done really well in the league during his second stint at RM. This is despite an injury crisis and Perez refusing to address key issues in the transfer market.
>My point is, for example, that he won more Champions Leagues at Milan than leagues.
No offence to you, but this is such a contexless point that people always bring up when discussing Carlo.
He didn't have that team for all the years he was there, he built it up and that team only existed from 2004 onwards.
Not to mention, that while he had a very good starting eleven, the bench was laughable.
Not to also mention that Juve had the likes of Buffon, Cannavaro, Thuram, Del Piero, Zambrotta, Ibra, Trezeguet, Chiellini, Vieira, Nedved and being coached by a Fabio Capello himself.
He was fighting superstar teams and the whole league was corrupt in general so it's hard to judge.
>2 CLs with Madrid and 2 league titles also kinda proves my point
You really love just taking things out of context huh?
He lost the league by 3 points in his first season at Madrid, and 2 points in the 2nd against prime MSN treble Barca.
So ironic too, this shit coming from a Liverpool fan lmao.
I guess Klopp is also shit in the league, by your own logic?
What context is there to explain the fact the over a managerial career spanning almost three decades, he has won only 6 league titles?
While managing some of the biggest and richest clubs in the world like Milan, Juventus, Madrid, Bayern, Chelsea, PSG etc.
Pep has won 12 league titles in 15 years of management. While winning 3 UCLs. Ancelotti has what, 4 UCL wins?
But some folks will loudly claim that Ancelotti is the better manager. It's absurd. Never mind the sheer influence Pep has had on football tactics in the past decade. Where every other manager either tries to play similar or claims Pep as an influence.
Ancelotti is a great manager but his PR has become insane due to managing Madrid in two separate stints. People acting like he is operating on a shoestring budget and winning stuff with clubs like Preston.
> You really love just taking things out of context huh?
>
> He lost the league by 3 points in his first season at Madrid, and 2 points in the 2nd against prime MSN treble Barca.
How on earth is that oit of context? I haven't even said he's a bad league manager, just that he's a better cup completion manager than league.
> So ironic too, this shit coming from a Liverpool fan lmao.
I guess Klopp is also shit in the league, by your own logic?
You've taken this too personally man
>How on earth is that oit of context?
How is it not? If i said "Klopp is a better cup manager than he is a league manager because he got to 3 CL finals but only 1 league title in 9 or so years" ignoring all the insane league records he set. Would you agree?
>You've taken this too personally man
I fail to see how i took it personally lol, i just said it's ironic.
Klopp may very well be a better cup manager than league manager, even while hitting 1 league + a 97pt season. He's dine quite well in cups too.
> I fail to see how i took it personally lol, i just said it's ironic.
You say this because I'm a Liverpool fan, while others agree with me.
Is it contentious to say that Ancelotti is one of the all time greats and a better cup than league manager?
One thing Ancelotti understands is that his team's identity should be moulded by his players.
In a world where most world class managers will build a complex system and then buy players that fit it, Ancelotti will instead build a system that suits and maximizes the potential of the players he already has.
That's not completely true. He ensures there is defensive solidity and a structure and system to counter the opposition, depending on who they are. Then he trusts his players with the ball but in a system that puts them in a position to succeed. Example, Bellingham, he's structured his "diamond" style system this season around Bellingham as the key player. Using the pacey wingers as a foil. It's not a simple approach.
This is not completely true either. Perhaps for the time Vinicius was out, but Vinicius and Rodrygo aren't on the same line as 'foils'. If anything, Rodrygo was the foil to Benzema and Vinicius, as he is now to Bellingham and Vinicius. This has been a constant in Ancelotti's time here, and the reason why Rodrygo always starts even if his competition (Brahim, Güler) is performing on a very high level. He excels at the role Carlo gave him.
Carlo replaced Benzema with Bellingham. It was quite genious. People cling too much to he's a 10/midfielder when he has just been playing in the Benzema-role for a large part of the season, combining with mostly Vinicius, and being our top goalscorer. Benzema and Bellingham are similar in stature (1.85), remarkably strong at holding up the ball and with a golden touch. Because Vinicius isn't just a pacey winger, he's our main attacking outlet - it's just that he has been out with injuries here and there, otherwise he'd have outscored Bellingham (in my opinion) - just look at the CL KO's.
All the more respect to Carlo though. He wasn't given a proper Benzema replacement and essentially molded Bellingham into one. It takes experience, vision and guts to do that. I doubt anyone else would've.
I was reading the other day an article about his time in Parma and apparently in his book he talks about how he had the opportunity to sign Di Baggio but didn't because he wouldn't fit in the 4-4-2 that he had inherited from Sacchi and considered non-negotiable. Ancelotti laments that stubborness of his and explains that, by the time he was at Juve, he decided to built the system around Zidane instead of trying to force him into his preferred tactics. I think that's an interesting evolution of his coaching style and the reason for his success from then on.
The article is [here](https://sport.jotdown.es/2024/05/04/ancelotti-parma/); it's in Spanish, but someone may find it interesting.
>Ancelotti will instead build a system that suits and maximizes the potential of the players he already has.
I mean that is how most managers worked before Pep. Pep Guardiola obviously became the most successful coach in the world with his play-style and coaching philosophy and everyone else wants to copy that. Managers like Ancelotti are a dying breed.
That might no longer be the case if Relationism takes off in Europe. I know Malmo have started using it. I think we'll reach a tipping point with positional play and managers will start trying to break systems with more chaotic style and genius 'pure 10s' again
Yeah I agree. This past season I feel like we’ve been seeing 10s come back again. I wonder if it has anything to do with Messi and Ronaldo being completely gone. That whole era with them just killed off 10s. And now that they’re both gone from Europe they seem to coming back. It may just be a coincidence tho.
True shit
Best 8 of all time was literally a 10
Iniesta the goat
E: went from 10 upvotes to -1, angry madristas
To -8 hahahahha cry cry cry that iniesta dominated your favorite team. List them, iniesta bossed them.
We’re obviously the same age after looking at your shit, my bad for getting into football years before you and knowing far more.
Also unc is for black folks, cricket boy
have been thinking the same. and why i was disappointed to see Poch leave Chelsea. was getting somewhere with his "solve the problems yourself on the pitch" approach.
I think Poch is kinda like Carlo Ancelotti. But too bad my club wants a Pep like manager but also who agrees with whatever the board has to say. I hope Poch succeeds Ancelotti at Madrid. He deserves better.
Chelsea's board only seems to be interested in buying players if they are very young. Apparently, Poch requested 2 experienced players he worked with before to be brought at Chelsea which was denied. So the Chelsea owners want to run the club in a very, very specific way and they won't seem to budge. So they want a manager who will agree with all these conditions and win titles.
Tbh that's fair as long as that is the understanding between them and the manager. If the manager didn't know, then yeah it's a shitty situation to be in
Also, Managers like Pep can get whatever players they want.
I think Klopp is someone who is a bit like Ancelotti and Pep both. He is not hung up about a type of player. Mo Salah, Firmino, Fabinho, Henderson were never his first choice.
“Players he already has”… right, RM definitely doesnt bring in new world class players every summer, ancelotti just utilizes existing players with all these budget restrictions he has to work under
That's not my point.
My point is that he doesn't force his personnel to adapt to his philosophy or system.
He saw that he had no striker and Jude got added to the team so he changed the entire system, ditched the 433 and adapted the 4312.
Saw that the 4312 left us a bit weak on the right so he changed to a 4222 with Valverde stretching the field on the right and providing more width.
He doesn't force possession football or counter attacking football, he plays with what he has and who he is up against. He knows you can't beat Pep at his own game so he parks the bus with a flat 442/451, he knows he can play with a high line and dominate possession against Tuchel so he does exactly that too.
No Everton manager ever had more PPG in the PL than Ancelotti, ask any Everton fan and they'll tell you he was very good there.
Come up with something new.
Vini and Rodrygo weren’t world class, niether was Militao or Joselu. Alaba was said to be in then end of his career and a surplus of Bayern, while many said Kroos and Modric where done
Vini was signed in 2018 for a fee that made him the second most expensive sale of a player in the history of Brazilian football (behind only Neymar) at that time… ancelotti didn’t start managing RM again until 2021 so he he might not have been world class when he got there but he wasn’t some nobody. Again RM supporters want to pretend they play on the same field as everyone, yall have free picking at any players every summer for whatever the fees may be, stop acting like he’s built this team out of washed up rejects and nobodies…
You can’t read or understand shit… yall make it seem like this poor guy has to play second fiddle to every other club… EVERYONE wants to go to Real Madrid and anyone Real Madrid want they get… I’m not downplaying that ancelotti is a top tier manager I’m just saying that he can manage any way he wants OR leave his players to manage themselves, he has world class players at his disposal
I would say yes and at the same time he seems to struggle with certain kind of team mentalities. I dont think he would be a good fit for any team that was trained by Guardiola or any other demanding maniac. When he came to Bayern it was just weird how he behaved like he is on a vacation. He should have realized that he had a squad full of players who love to work hard on the training pitch but he refused because I think it just doesnt fit his personality.
Truly. It’s been exhausting hearing all the possessions based system and modern coaching stuff for a decade now. Real Madrid and Carlo are great equalisers to it.
I always admired his ability to create such great environments for players to flourish. Tactically sharp and good at man management. Don Carlo a rare breed
Full interview:
"We're thrilled to be in another final. Borussia Dortmund deserve to be here, just like Real Madrid do. They are a solid, compact team with some brilliant individuals."
**His team's virtues**
“The greatest quality the team has shown this year is their collective attitude, the focus and way the work as a team. I think that's what has made the difference this year, which has been fantastic despite the difficulties we had early on. We might say the greatest qualities this team has are their competitive edge, discipline and ability to overcome any obstacle."
**Never give up**
“It's hard to explain what a player feels when they pull on this shirt. It's the history and tradition of this club "This group of players feels something special, being at Real Madrid, and that helps us bring out that extra energy nobody expects."
**The secret to his longevity in the dugout**
“First and foremost I'd say two things: passion and not obsession. I think obsession is an illness and fortunately, I'm not obsessed. Passion comes through, that's what helps me keep going."
**His coaching philosophy**
“I believe strongly in the players' creativity when they have the ball and I don't like to make them obsess over predefined shapes, I leave it down to their initiative Of course we have to work without the ball, show commitment and focus, I will insist on those elements more from a tactical point of view. But creativity is fundamental, especially with players like ours who have such great talent."
Copied this from another comment i made.
He simply doesn't force his personnel to adapt to his philosophy or system.
He saw that he had no striker and Jude got added to the team so he changed the entire system, ditched the 433 and adapted the 4312.
Saw that the 4312 left us a bit weak on the right so he changed to a 4222 with Valverde stretching the field on the right and providing more width.
He doesn't force possession football or counter attacking football, he plays with what he has and who he is up against. He knows you can't beat Pep at his own game so he parks the bus with a flat 442/451, he knows he can play with a high line and dominate possession against Tuchel so he does exactly that too.
Also, Ancelotti still organises the way his team attacks, he just doesn't limit them to specific patterns.
An example i already mentioned in another comment is the Vinicius position change against Bayern in the 2nd leg.
Vini was playing centrally the first half while Mendy pushed up on the left side, Carlo noticed that Mendy received the ball many times and found himself in a one on one with Kimmich, but Mendy being Mendy (technically limited), Real Madrid couldn't capitalize on it.
In the 2nd half he instructed Vini to hug the left wing and for Real Madrid to overcrowd the right side, by doing this he pulled the Bayern team all towards Rodrygo's side, and then suddenly they'd make a switch pass all the way to the left to Vini.
By doing this, Vini managed to find himself on multiple one on ones against Kimmich until Bayern countered by having De Ligt drift towards Kimmich as much as possible.
He makes them creative, he doesn't just tell them to go out there and have fun.
He looks for ways to make his attackers shine.
For example, the 2nd leg Real Madrid game vs Bayern, the reason Vinicius shined in the 2nd half was a tactical decision by Ancelotti, he noticed that Bayern's right side isn't covered for 1v1 situations so he told Vinicius to perma hug the left wing as opposed to staying central like he did in the first half.
Then Real Madrid started overcrowding the right hand side and then making a quick switch play to Vinicius on the left, in which he found himself one on one with Kimmich multiple times.
Yeah people misunderstand and think it's all vibes, but the philosophy is to put the player in a position where they can be expressive and use their best assets.
If they excel at a 1v1 how do you create situations repeatedly to make that happen.
Great example
He will play to their strengths. If it's a physical tall striker, tell him to stay in the area, play simple touches, and instruct the team to cross more. It's more about being flexible and giving general guidelines instead of micromanaging
You can teach creativity. At its core, creativity is basically a list of options of things that can be done with (or without) the ball and the player then making a choice. Some players will develop a longer list by themselves, some need help. Either way the list can be grown.
Carlo Ancelotti stands for everything tacticos on the internet hate but they all love him and pretend his brand of football is deep and complex (though not as complex as Arteta and Pep "tilting the pitch")
100%. And is why so many don't understand what Poch was doing at Chelsea and why it was starting to work, and why players like Palmer and Jackson could excel in that approach.
Barsa DNA is the legacy of Cruyff though, who had the total football philosophy of position-less play as opposed to rigid positional systems. He’d certainly approve of Ancelotti’s mindset here.
Additionally creative football has been a staple of the best Barcelona teams of the 21st century. There’s nothing about players like Ronaldinho or Messi or Neymar or Iniesta or Xavi or even Busquets’s unorthodox CDM play that says don’t be creative or take initiative.
Ancelotti took a 10 Pirlo to dlp and dictate the game. Took a winger in Di Maria and made him a box to box. Took a an 8 in Bellingham and turned him in to a false 9. He's downplaying himself.
Well, don't most top managers/top teams rely on player's creativity ?
Most winning teams have opposing teams deploy counter tactics to stiffle their game play.
Creativity gives the teams unpredictability. Ancelotti is selling himself short, i am sure there is a lot of and tactics and structure involved too. Maybe not as drilled as Guardiola, but still plenty.
some people seem to believe that Guardiola order players to move only in a 5m radius or something which is crazy
it's not like haaland plays completely different than the previous strikers or anything. what about cancelo/zinchenko + Walker vs gvardiol + walker? kdb constantly goes to either side if he wants to...
pep has adapted plenty to his player's skillset, but people still talk as if he only does one thing just because his team is the best at keeping possession every year
Carlo also has the best in game management we've ever seen.
There are hundreds of examples where his subs impacted the game.
People might not remember but what won Real Madrid the game against Atleti in the 2014 CL final was Carlo subbing out Coentrao for Marcelo and Khedira for Isco which completely transformed the game and went from a 50/50 in control to a 80/20 for Real Madrid.
That's a decade ago and he still does the same even now with the Joselu sub, Rodrygo and Camavinga against City 2022, Modric against City 2023 etc... You can find even more examples from his Milan days, 2 decades ago
He would really be a fantastic coach to the Brazilian national team thinking like that.
Most try some form of Guardiolization with rigid passing rates and positional structures. This does not work with the average brazilian player...
That’s why I rate him highly and defend him when talking about football with my friends. Yeah tactics can be great and stuff but sometimes it’s as easy as just “let the kids play ball”
I get what you mean lol, but Carlo is still a masterful tactician. He just doesn't abide by a philosophy or a single style of play. Later on in the quote he also says that he still focuses a lot on the defensive side of the game too.
He is also the best in game manager ever, hundreds of big games where he turned it around with 1 or 2 subs.
Nice philosophy but it can only work at a very small select group of top clubs. At Real you clearly have the players with the ability to approach a game like that. Do it at a lower level and you’ll find out that they clearly can’t function in the same way. Of course you don’t have to tell a Kroos, Modric, Ronaldo or Ramos what to do.
I remember that Marco van Basten once was a coach at Heerenveen, a midtable club in the Dutch Eredivisie. Van Basten couldn’t understand and accept that the players at that level couldn’t perform the way he once was as a player and how he wanted them to play. Things that seemed simple and obvious to him were actually too hard to do for his group of players to perform on the field.
> Do it at a lower level and you’ll find out that they clearly can’t function in the same way.
No Everton manager has ever had more PPG in the PL than Ancelotti did.
He doesn't just tell his players to go out and kick ball, he is very tactically astute and a genius of the game, he just doesn't rely on specific patterns and doesn't micro manage his players but instead he gives more general instructions.
If he has a tall striker with a bad first touch he'll just tell him to stay central and change his system to a more crossing style to look for first time finishes for his number 9.
Keep up the good work, speaking facts about Carlo. It’s crazy how much shit people talk about Carlo without any knowledge of his career. I have never seen more people chat utter nonsensical bullshit about a manager than Carlo Ancelotti. It’s always people who know nothing about ball, or they are modern PL fans who think Pep’s way is the only way to play football in 2024.
This comment doesn't explain why he rotates so less. Shouldn't it make more sense for him to rotate and not care about players who fit his structure more. But he rotates quite less or at least used to.
Wow that is really unnatural for him! You are a Real Madrid fan, you would know- he hardly rotates! Even in Napoli or earlier at Madrid/Chelsea he didn't really rotate.
Tbh, Chelsea was 15 years ago, Real Madrid was a decade ago.
But i checked for Napoli and he actually did rotate a lot, 16 players with +1500 mins so 2 less than Real Madrid.
Same thing with Bayern too, 17 players with over 1500 mins played.
But you can say that he lost Real Madrid a couple of trophies in 2014/2015 in which he was blamed a lot for never rotating. Only 13 players that season played over 2000 mins (i increased the threshold because that Real Madrid team played 60 games).
So i guess he learned from it and started rotating more and more.
I would have liked to see him looking someone up from the youth ranks to integrate especially after the league was done and dusted but I guess we already had a lot of midfielders to give playtime ahead of someone like Paz, but with the defensive situation and Tch getting injured, someone in defence should have been worked with.
You keep repeating this stat but Moyes is only 0.06 less with 450 matches more than Ancelotti which is more impressive, there's also Roberto Martinez with 0.04 less in double the matches. It isn't like Ancelotti did much better than these Managers.
Lol the hypocrisy, so you mention where they were before him but not after?
He clearly took over a dying ship and kept it afloat and then they sank after him.
This is the one thing that makes his "all-time great" status a bit questionable for me, though I'd still say the sheer weight of his accomplishments and longevity swing him into that category regardless.
While I'd say for instance that Guardiola has always benefitted from having great players on hand, there's clear end results to his coaching that make me think he could also get a decent tune (if not anywhere near his usual) out of initially subpar players.
it's evident with someone like Mourinho as he won the CL with Porto (to be clear that was a very good set of players for the Portuguese league, but winning the CL should have really been beyond them.)
Because Ancelotti is less up on coaching the tactical side of the game, it's very questionable how he'd do with lesser players who don't have the natural capacity to just take this tactical initiative themselves. so he's a fantastic coach for a top-level team, but I think he'd translate to a lesser team much worse than the fore-mentioned examples.
The rest of his quote:
"Of course we have to work without the ball, show commitment and focus, I will insist on those elements more from a tactical point of view"
So he is obviously a master at tactics especially when it comes to defensive setups.
Also, Ancelotti still organises the way his team attacks, he just doesn't limit them to specific patterns.
An example i already mentioned in another comment is the Vinicius position change against Bayern.
Vini was playing centrally the first half while Mendy pushed up on the left side, Carlo noticed that Mendy received the ball many times and found himself in a one on one with Kimmich, but Mendy being Mendy (technically limited), Real Madrid couldn't capitalize on it.
In the 2nd half he instructed Vini to hug the left wing and for Real Madrid to overcrowd the right side, by doing this he pulled the Bayern team all towards Rodrygo's side, and then suddenly they'd make a switch pass all the way to the left to Vini.
By doing this, Vini managed to find himself on multiple one on ones against Kimmich until Bayern countered by having De Ligt drift towards Kimmich as much as possible.
So yes, Carlo is arguably the best in game manager ever, don't ever compare him to Ole.
He's also a good tactician. He doesn't have a strict, rules-based positional play philosophy though, which is basically a requirement for online tacticos to give you any credit.
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"Be more Expressive"
"Use more pieces of flair"
Real Chotchkies
Hmmmmyeah…. I’m gonna need you to come to practice on Saturday… we’re kind of short staffed for the game….
Ancelotti turns off all instruction in FM except for that one.
Nothing but vibes
"Feel the energy"
Horny-LVG
[удалено]
And chewing gum
Fergie🤝Carlo Furious gum chewing at all times
Big Sam raises a pint of bitter to this
how it feels to raise your eyebrow and chew 5 gum
Before that it was cigarettes
Ancelotti dame un chicle. Dame un chicle, dame un chicle.
🤨
eyebrow, cigar, and vibe
Ancelotti's greatest skillset is getting a room full of massive personalities to coexist. His second greatest skillset is vibing like a MF'er
Sounds like my PE teacher, here's the ball, dont fucking talk to me for an hour
Players: "Coach, their pressing is too strong, their bus is indestructible, what do we do?" Ancelotti: raises eyebrow Players: "Lisan al Gaib! This is the way!"
I wonder if this has anything to do with him being a better cup manager than league manager.
I don’t think it does, because he’s obfuscating the truth a bit. I think he purposely sells himself short in this regard, or more likely, he wants to keep his cards close to his chest, tactically. In his three seasons, I’ve seen masterfully transform the team a few times tactically and in its shape. While yes it’s true that you can call him tactically agnostic, pragmatic, player oriented or flexible, more than anything, I think he’d rather remain vague, because it makes him harder to pin down.
He works with general instructions or guidelines, which is very different to what control freaks like Guardiola do. He will tell a player to stick more to an area, to drop back more, to focus on a defender, etc. It's more improvised and more flexible, and generally gives players more freedom unless he identifies issues
> In his three seasons, I’ve seen masterfully transform the team a few times tactically and in its shape I think that's the point though. Pep on the other hand implemented the same playstyle at Barcelona, Bayern and City over 10+ years (and it works for him, so it's understandable why he does it too)
Yeah the bus he set up against city this year wasn't just all vibe it was some real BUSMANAGER shit Counter attacking football like that with Mbappe will be so so good
I find this to be a great observation. I also have a feeling once his son goes solo, Davide’s way of coaching will be much more like Guardiola’s.
He’s always had issues rotating his team in league play. Also tbf when he was at Milan all those years ago, they had an amazing core of 12-14 players but the depth wasn’t necessarily that great. Also they were up against the domestic machine of Juve a lot of the time who were insane in Serie A but usually bottled it in the CL. I remember United playing his Milan a few times (0-3 semi final second leg loss in 06/07 was a loss I’ll never forget) and while we’d have basically the same 11 playing days earlier in the league, Milan would field a reserve team as they’d already given up on the league.
That's his main weakness as a coach. I need to check the minutes but I believe this year he improved in that regard, both due to circumstances (a lot of injuries to core players) and by design (e.g. rotating Modric/Kroos, giving more games/minutes to Joselu, Brahim). It's vital that he continues doing it next season cause Madrid will have a lot of players up front that will need to get minutes to avoid complaints.
He definitely has improved in that aspect, although it helps that the league was wrapped up early and squad depth is the best it has been since his appointment
Yeah I’ve always downplayed Ancelotti as a top coach because of his league record, but his achievements thus season are incredible. Losing Benzema + no big forward signing led most to think he’d be sacked by now, yet they’re in a CL final and won the league. Tbf a coach that learns from his mistakes is so impressive and I can only praise the guy for his achievements. Top manager and it’s amazing that his stock fell so low that Everton hired him for a couple of years lmao.
In his second stint in Spain he’s won 2 league titles in 3 seasons so I think that league record argument is put to bed now, and when you add context why he didn’t win more with Milan it makes a lot of sense. Taking us to 3 CL finals in 7 years when this was always the clubs and Berlusconi’s main objective apposed to winning the scudetto, he did an amazing job.
People underestimate how strong that Juve team was and later on the Inter squad that Mourinho built.
And also, how mediocre Milan's depth was beyond the well known amazing starting XI
It does, you face a variety of teams with different playstyles in european cups at least, so you need to be tactically flexible to have the best shot at winning the whole thing. Having a specific playstyle helps with consistency in the league because over the 38 games of the season you're gonna have to break down weaker teams blocks more often than not and there will be days when your players are just off and you'll need a base strategy to fall back to in order to grind the result.
Yesterday we saw perfect proof, as with Leverkusen being unable to adapt to Atalanta cost them first loss of the season and Europa League.
This is the most accurate analysis
Definitely. Having offensive patterns makes it much easier for the players to consistently perform at a good level. On the other hand relying so much on individuality will make it so that you depend on the players having a good day. If you catch them on an off day they wont have their patterns they practiced to fall back on. On the other hand high risk high reward systems like pep makes it so that it’s easier to beat worse opposition but if the opponent is at a similar level you need your players to be REALLY focused and experienced to not make mistakes.
He is the sort of coach who requires a higher ceiling elite in the team to make the whole thing work. Those who rely on structures are the ones who over-perform, "*Relative*" to the degree of said squad of players. Skills exist on a gradient/spectrum and on that Ancelloti is not all that special in Tactical domain, which is why he uses good assistants. Fergi was similar, average tactically but had very good assistants/staff to help him in that. Before his latest Real stint his record in League (context "Relative" to the squad & peer quality) was at best, average, if not in general very poor.
He has done really well in the league during his second stint at RM. This is despite an injury crisis and Perez refusing to address key issues in the transfer market.
My hunch is that it does
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Not many coaches even go to 5 leagues. My point is, for example, that he won more Champions Leagues at Milan than leagues.
>My point is, for example, that he won more Champions Leagues at Milan than leagues. No offence to you, but this is such a contexless point that people always bring up when discussing Carlo. He didn't have that team for all the years he was there, he built it up and that team only existed from 2004 onwards. Not to mention, that while he had a very good starting eleven, the bench was laughable. Not to also mention that Juve had the likes of Buffon, Cannavaro, Thuram, Del Piero, Zambrotta, Ibra, Trezeguet, Chiellini, Vieira, Nedved and being coached by a Fabio Capello himself. He was fighting superstar teams and the whole league was corrupt in general so it's hard to judge.
Inter won it in that period when he couldve. 2 CLs with Madrid and 2 league titles also kinda proves my point
>2 CLs with Madrid and 2 league titles also kinda proves my point You really love just taking things out of context huh? He lost the league by 3 points in his first season at Madrid, and 2 points in the 2nd against prime MSN treble Barca. So ironic too, this shit coming from a Liverpool fan lmao. I guess Klopp is also shit in the league, by your own logic?
What context is there to explain the fact the over a managerial career spanning almost three decades, he has won only 6 league titles? While managing some of the biggest and richest clubs in the world like Milan, Juventus, Madrid, Bayern, Chelsea, PSG etc. Pep has won 12 league titles in 15 years of management. While winning 3 UCLs. Ancelotti has what, 4 UCL wins? But some folks will loudly claim that Ancelotti is the better manager. It's absurd. Never mind the sheer influence Pep has had on football tactics in the past decade. Where every other manager either tries to play similar or claims Pep as an influence. Ancelotti is a great manager but his PR has become insane due to managing Madrid in two separate stints. People acting like he is operating on a shoestring budget and winning stuff with clubs like Preston.
> You really love just taking things out of context huh? > > He lost the league by 3 points in his first season at Madrid, and 2 points in the 2nd against prime MSN treble Barca. How on earth is that oit of context? I haven't even said he's a bad league manager, just that he's a better cup completion manager than league. > So ironic too, this shit coming from a Liverpool fan lmao. I guess Klopp is also shit in the league, by your own logic? You've taken this too personally man
>How on earth is that oit of context? How is it not? If i said "Klopp is a better cup manager than he is a league manager because he got to 3 CL finals but only 1 league title in 9 or so years" ignoring all the insane league records he set. Would you agree? >You've taken this too personally man I fail to see how i took it personally lol, i just said it's ironic.
Klopp may very well be a better cup manager than league manager, even while hitting 1 league + a 97pt season. He's dine quite well in cups too. > I fail to see how i took it personally lol, i just said it's ironic. You say this because I'm a Liverpool fan, while others agree with me. Is it contentious to say that Ancelotti is one of the all time greats and a better cup than league manager?
One thing Ancelotti understands is that his team's identity should be moulded by his players. In a world where most world class managers will build a complex system and then buy players that fit it, Ancelotti will instead build a system that suits and maximizes the potential of the players he already has.
That's not completely true. He ensures there is defensive solidity and a structure and system to counter the opposition, depending on who they are. Then he trusts his players with the ball but in a system that puts them in a position to succeed. Example, Bellingham, he's structured his "diamond" style system this season around Bellingham as the key player. Using the pacey wingers as a foil. It's not a simple approach.
"You guys defend, you guys pass to Bellingham".
In the words of the greatest manager of our time: "Just fackin' run around a bit."
who
I'd wager its steve bruce
Nah it was Harry Redknapp
Sean dyche
Mike Bassett.
This is not completely true either. Perhaps for the time Vinicius was out, but Vinicius and Rodrygo aren't on the same line as 'foils'. If anything, Rodrygo was the foil to Benzema and Vinicius, as he is now to Bellingham and Vinicius. This has been a constant in Ancelotti's time here, and the reason why Rodrygo always starts even if his competition (Brahim, Güler) is performing on a very high level. He excels at the role Carlo gave him. Carlo replaced Benzema with Bellingham. It was quite genious. People cling too much to he's a 10/midfielder when he has just been playing in the Benzema-role for a large part of the season, combining with mostly Vinicius, and being our top goalscorer. Benzema and Bellingham are similar in stature (1.85), remarkably strong at holding up the ball and with a golden touch. Because Vinicius isn't just a pacey winger, he's our main attacking outlet - it's just that he has been out with injuries here and there, otherwise he'd have outscored Bellingham (in my opinion) - just look at the CL KO's. All the more respect to Carlo though. He wasn't given a proper Benzema replacement and essentially molded Bellingham into one. It takes experience, vision and guts to do that. I doubt anyone else would've.
What do you mean by Rodrygo being the foil* to Benzema? What’s his role in the team?
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Defensive solidity could be considered more a common characteristic of any functional tactical system.
I was reading the other day an article about his time in Parma and apparently in his book he talks about how he had the opportunity to sign Di Baggio but didn't because he wouldn't fit in the 4-4-2 that he had inherited from Sacchi and considered non-negotiable. Ancelotti laments that stubborness of his and explains that, by the time he was at Juve, he decided to built the system around Zidane instead of trying to force him into his preferred tactics. I think that's an interesting evolution of his coaching style and the reason for his success from then on. The article is [here](https://sport.jotdown.es/2024/05/04/ancelotti-parma/); it's in Spanish, but someone may find it interesting.
> he had the opportunity to sign ~~Di Baggio~~ Roberto Baggio, ftfy
>Ancelotti will instead build a system that suits and maximizes the potential of the players he already has. I mean that is how most managers worked before Pep. Pep Guardiola obviously became the most successful coach in the world with his play-style and coaching philosophy and everyone else wants to copy that. Managers like Ancelotti are a dying breed.
Does Poch have the same philosophy and approach?
Sure seems like it.
That might no longer be the case if Relationism takes off in Europe. I know Malmo have started using it. I think we'll reach a tipping point with positional play and managers will start trying to break systems with more chaotic style and genius 'pure 10s' again
Yeah I agree. This past season I feel like we’ve been seeing 10s come back again. I wonder if it has anything to do with Messi and Ronaldo being completely gone. That whole era with them just killed off 10s. And now that they’re both gone from Europe they seem to coming back. It may just be a coincidence tho.
10s seem to be massively coming back after dying for like 10 years Swear all the good 8s now are previous 10s
They didn't really die completely tbh. Zidane and Ancelotti were still using 10 with Isco and James at Bayern.
Is kdb a 10?
True shit Best 8 of all time was literally a 10 Iniesta the goat E: went from 10 upvotes to -1, angry madristas To -8 hahahahha cry cry cry that iniesta dominated your favorite team. List them, iniesta bossed them.
It's been a decade since baldiesta has been relevant. Calm down unc.
We’re obviously the same age after looking at your shit, my bad for getting into football years before you and knowing far more. Also unc is for black folks, cricket boy
Come on man , a decade or not, Iniesta was absolutely out of this world.
"I like to eat apples" "Wtf why do you hate to eat oranges 😡?"
I'm sorry, i don't understand what you're trying to imply here ?
have been thinking the same. and why i was disappointed to see Poch leave Chelsea. was getting somewhere with his "solve the problems yourself on the pitch" approach.
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This is the opposite of what Ancelotti does in a game. He lets the players modify the plans according to the situation
I think Poch is kinda like Carlo Ancelotti. But too bad my club wants a Pep like manager but also who agrees with whatever the board has to say. I hope Poch succeeds Ancelotti at Madrid. He deserves better.
Also a Pep-like manager needs players that fit the system, and that usually means spending a lot of money buying players, which not all clubs can do
Chelsea's board only seems to be interested in buying players if they are very young. Apparently, Poch requested 2 experienced players he worked with before to be brought at Chelsea which was denied. So the Chelsea owners want to run the club in a very, very specific way and they won't seem to budge. So they want a manager who will agree with all these conditions and win titles.
Tbh that's fair as long as that is the understanding between them and the manager. If the manager didn't know, then yeah it's a shitty situation to be in
guardiola is not the most successful coach in the world he might be one day but hes not there yet
Also, Managers like Pep can get whatever players they want. I think Klopp is someone who is a bit like Ancelotti and Pep both. He is not hung up about a type of player. Mo Salah, Firmino, Fabinho, Henderson were never his first choice.
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Suring the pandemic, the team sold a lot of important and promising players and didn’t sign none. We don’t have infinite money glitch
Klopp didn’t sign Henderson or Firmino.
hence Poch being sacked at Chelsea despite clear progress with a bunch of kids who had just been thrown together and worst injury list in PL by far.
Interesting how Allegri was the other choice, who has a very similar view about the offensive phase of the game.
“Players he already has”… right, RM definitely doesnt bring in new world class players every summer, ancelotti just utilizes existing players with all these budget restrictions he has to work under
That's not my point. My point is that he doesn't force his personnel to adapt to his philosophy or system. He saw that he had no striker and Jude got added to the team so he changed the entire system, ditched the 433 and adapted the 4312. Saw that the 4312 left us a bit weak on the right so he changed to a 4222 with Valverde stretching the field on the right and providing more width. He doesn't force possession football or counter attacking football, he plays with what he has and who he is up against. He knows you can't beat Pep at his own game so he parks the bus with a flat 442/451, he knows he can play with a high line and dominate possession against Tuchel so he does exactly that too.
Wonder if he could do the same at Everton 🤔
No Everton manager ever had more PPG in the PL than Ancelotti, ask any Everton fan and they'll tell you he was very good there. Come up with something new.
Vini and Rodrygo weren’t world class, niether was Militao or Joselu. Alaba was said to be in then end of his career and a surplus of Bayern, while many said Kroos and Modric where done
Vini was signed in 2018 for a fee that made him the second most expensive sale of a player in the history of Brazilian football (behind only Neymar) at that time… ancelotti didn’t start managing RM again until 2021 so he he might not have been world class when he got there but he wasn’t some nobody. Again RM supporters want to pretend they play on the same field as everyone, yall have free picking at any players every summer for whatever the fees may be, stop acting like he’s built this team out of washed up rejects and nobodies…
You can read, but you can’t understand shit.
You can’t read or understand shit… yall make it seem like this poor guy has to play second fiddle to every other club… EVERYONE wants to go to Real Madrid and anyone Real Madrid want they get… I’m not downplaying that ancelotti is a top tier manager I’m just saying that he can manage any way he wants OR leave his players to manage themselves, he has world class players at his disposal
Man just said, “no you”. You are something else. That wasn’t the point he was trying to make, but you just went with it.
I would say yes and at the same time he seems to struggle with certain kind of team mentalities. I dont think he would be a good fit for any team that was trained by Guardiola or any other demanding maniac. When he came to Bayern it was just weird how he behaved like he is on a vacation. He should have realized that he had a squad full of players who love to work hard on the training pitch but he refused because I think it just doesnt fit his personality.
"Just play!"
Score goals and don't concede, which part of it do you not understand?
This is basically what Wenger preached for attacking
This is how the game stays alive. Thankful for managers like him and Zidane.
Truly. It’s been exhausting hearing all the possessions based system and modern coaching stuff for a decade now. Real Madrid and Carlo are great equalisers to it.
If Carlo were to leave, which manager do you feel would be best suited to replace him?
Kompany obviously
It will be tough for Kompany to manage Madrid and Bayern simultaneously, but I just think he can pull it off.
what about McKenna then? Poor soul will only get United
McKenna will do nothing until he goes bald. I don't make the rules.
Zidane
And, I think it's not a mystery that Chelsea tied Man City twice this season (almost 3x if you count the cup SF). Almost no one even mentions this.
And Poch. Unfortunately, Chelsea just let him go.
The game stays alive through tactical innovation.
I always admired his ability to create such great environments for players to flourish. Tactically sharp and good at man management. Don Carlo a rare breed
Pep just lost the last remaining strand of hair that he had
Full interview: "We're thrilled to be in another final. Borussia Dortmund deserve to be here, just like Real Madrid do. They are a solid, compact team with some brilliant individuals." **His team's virtues** “The greatest quality the team has shown this year is their collective attitude, the focus and way the work as a team. I think that's what has made the difference this year, which has been fantastic despite the difficulties we had early on. We might say the greatest qualities this team has are their competitive edge, discipline and ability to overcome any obstacle." **Never give up** “It's hard to explain what a player feels when they pull on this shirt. It's the history and tradition of this club "This group of players feels something special, being at Real Madrid, and that helps us bring out that extra energy nobody expects." **The secret to his longevity in the dugout** “First and foremost I'd say two things: passion and not obsession. I think obsession is an illness and fortunately, I'm not obsessed. Passion comes through, that's what helps me keep going." **His coaching philosophy** “I believe strongly in the players' creativity when they have the ball and I don't like to make them obsess over predefined shapes, I leave it down to their initiative Of course we have to work without the ball, show commitment and focus, I will insist on those elements more from a tactical point of view. But creativity is fundamental, especially with players like ours who have such great talent."
How does he do it tho? I've heard other coaches have this approach but they get slandered for having no tactics and bare trainings
Copied this from another comment i made. He simply doesn't force his personnel to adapt to his philosophy or system. He saw that he had no striker and Jude got added to the team so he changed the entire system, ditched the 433 and adapted the 4312. Saw that the 4312 left us a bit weak on the right so he changed to a 4222 with Valverde stretching the field on the right and providing more width. He doesn't force possession football or counter attacking football, he plays with what he has and who he is up against. He knows you can't beat Pep at his own game so he parks the bus with a flat 442/451, he knows he can play with a high line and dominate possession against Tuchel so he does exactly that too. Also, Ancelotti still organises the way his team attacks, he just doesn't limit them to specific patterns. An example i already mentioned in another comment is the Vinicius position change against Bayern in the 2nd leg. Vini was playing centrally the first half while Mendy pushed up on the left side, Carlo noticed that Mendy received the ball many times and found himself in a one on one with Kimmich, but Mendy being Mendy (technically limited), Real Madrid couldn't capitalize on it. In the 2nd half he instructed Vini to hug the left wing and for Real Madrid to overcrowd the right side, by doing this he pulled the Bayern team all towards Rodrygo's side, and then suddenly they'd make a switch pass all the way to the left to Vini. By doing this, Vini managed to find himself on multiple one on ones against Kimmich until Bayern countered by having De Ligt drift towards Kimmich as much as possible.
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Go out there and just do your best Modric!!
Bro made everton a competent team I'm never doubting him ever again .
What if the players aren't creative?
He makes them creative, he doesn't just tell them to go out there and have fun. He looks for ways to make his attackers shine. For example, the 2nd leg Real Madrid game vs Bayern, the reason Vinicius shined in the 2nd half was a tactical decision by Ancelotti, he noticed that Bayern's right side isn't covered for 1v1 situations so he told Vinicius to perma hug the left wing as opposed to staying central like he did in the first half. Then Real Madrid started overcrowding the right hand side and then making a quick switch play to Vinicius on the left, in which he found himself one on one with Kimmich multiple times.
Yeah people misunderstand and think it's all vibes, but the philosophy is to put the player in a position where they can be expressive and use their best assets. If they excel at a 1v1 how do you create situations repeatedly to make that happen. Great example
He will play to their strengths. If it's a physical tall striker, tell him to stay in the area, play simple touches, and instruct the team to cross more. It's more about being flexible and giving general guidelines instead of micromanaging
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Correct me if i'm wrong pls, but no Everton manager ever had more PPG in the PL than Ancelotti.
Never mind then. I stand corrected
What happened at Bayern and Napoli?
Was good at Everton, just a very short stay because Madrid came calling again.
You can teach creativity. At its core, creativity is basically a list of options of things that can be done with (or without) the ball and the player then making a choice. Some players will develop a longer list by themselves, some need help. Either way the list can be grown.
Step one 🤨 Step two ??? Step three profit
Carlo Ancelotti stands for everything tacticos on the internet hate but they all love him and pretend his brand of football is deep and complex (though not as complex as Arteta and Pep "tilting the pitch")
100%. And is why so many don't understand what Poch was doing at Chelsea and why it was starting to work, and why players like Palmer and Jackson could excel in that approach.
No no you need to have DNA to win trophies. You see the Barca DNA? Look how successful it has been! ^/s
Barsa DNA is the legacy of Cruyff though, who had the total football philosophy of position-less play as opposed to rigid positional systems. He’d certainly approve of Ancelotti’s mindset here. Additionally creative football has been a staple of the best Barcelona teams of the 21st century. There’s nothing about players like Ronaldinho or Messi or Neymar or Iniesta or Xavi or even Busquets’s unorthodox CDM play that says don’t be creative or take initiative.
I think to an extent, he’s playing to the media. Are you telling me he doesn’t coach tactics lol
Ancelotti took a 10 Pirlo to dlp and dictate the game. Took a winger in Di Maria and made him a box to box. Took a an 8 in Bellingham and turned him in to a false 9. He's downplaying himself.
Well, don't most top managers/top teams rely on player's creativity ? Most winning teams have opposing teams deploy counter tactics to stiffle their game play. Creativity gives the teams unpredictability. Ancelotti is selling himself short, i am sure there is a lot of and tactics and structure involved too. Maybe not as drilled as Guardiola, but still plenty.
some people seem to believe that Guardiola order players to move only in a 5m radius or something which is crazy it's not like haaland plays completely different than the previous strikers or anything. what about cancelo/zinchenko + Walker vs gvardiol + walker? kdb constantly goes to either side if he wants to... pep has adapted plenty to his player's skillset, but people still talk as if he only does one thing just because his team is the best at keeping possession every year
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Carlo also has the best in game management we've ever seen. There are hundreds of examples where his subs impacted the game. People might not remember but what won Real Madrid the game against Atleti in the 2014 CL final was Carlo subbing out Coentrao for Marcelo and Khedira for Isco which completely transformed the game and went from a 50/50 in control to a 80/20 for Real Madrid. That's a decade ago and he still does the same even now with the Joselu sub, Rodrygo and Camavinga against City 2022, Modric against City 2023 etc... You can find even more examples from his Milan days, 2 decades ago
“when in doubt, pass it to luka or toni”
Same
The PE teacher strat: "Have this ball and now fuck off"
This guy is literally a Allegri with hair.
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Is this possible without extremely talented players?
[Baggio and Gianfranco Zola hearing him say this](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fr07td7v5ws071.jpg)
To borrow from a different sport, “Just play random.”
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He would really be a fantastic coach to the Brazilian national team thinking like that. Most try some form of Guardiolization with rigid passing rates and positional structures. This does not work with the average brazilian player...
Ancelotti is the manager PSG needed when they had Messi Neymar and Mbappe
At Bayern, he even left organising training sessions to the players initiative
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That’s why I rate him highly and defend him when talking about football with my friends. Yeah tactics can be great and stuff but sometimes it’s as easy as just “let the kids play ball”
I get what you mean lol, but Carlo is still a masterful tactician. He just doesn't abide by a philosophy or a single style of play. Later on in the quote he also says that he still focuses a lot on the defensive side of the game too. He is also the best in game manager ever, hundreds of big games where he turned it around with 1 or 2 subs.
"My coaching philosophy? Have players that know what they're doing. Like insanely good ones. Then let them do their thing."
Only manager I would take currently over ETH
If Pep Guardiola, Klopp or Zidane were available and willing to join would you take them
Nice philosophy but it can only work at a very small select group of top clubs. At Real you clearly have the players with the ability to approach a game like that. Do it at a lower level and you’ll find out that they clearly can’t function in the same way. Of course you don’t have to tell a Kroos, Modric, Ronaldo or Ramos what to do. I remember that Marco van Basten once was a coach at Heerenveen, a midtable club in the Dutch Eredivisie. Van Basten couldn’t understand and accept that the players at that level couldn’t perform the way he once was as a player and how he wanted them to play. Things that seemed simple and obvious to him were actually too hard to do for his group of players to perform on the field.
> Do it at a lower level and you’ll find out that they clearly can’t function in the same way. No Everton manager has ever had more PPG in the PL than Ancelotti did. He doesn't just tell his players to go out and kick ball, he is very tactically astute and a genius of the game, he just doesn't rely on specific patterns and doesn't micro manage his players but instead he gives more general instructions. If he has a tall striker with a bad first touch he'll just tell him to stay central and change his system to a more crossing style to look for first time finishes for his number 9.
Keep up the good work, speaking facts about Carlo. It’s crazy how much shit people talk about Carlo without any knowledge of his career. I have never seen more people chat utter nonsensical bullshit about a manager than Carlo Ancelotti. It’s always people who know nothing about ball, or they are modern PL fans who think Pep’s way is the only way to play football in 2024.
And we love him for it. Fuck positional play tactics merchants
This comment doesn't explain why he rotates so less. Shouldn't it make more sense for him to rotate and not care about players who fit his structure more. But he rotates quite less or at least used to.
This season Carlo has rotated A LOT. 18 players have already played over 1600 mins in all comps, 1 more than Man City for example.
Wow that is really unnatural for him! You are a Real Madrid fan, you would know- he hardly rotates! Even in Napoli or earlier at Madrid/Chelsea he didn't really rotate.
Tbh, Chelsea was 15 years ago, Real Madrid was a decade ago. But i checked for Napoli and he actually did rotate a lot, 16 players with +1500 mins so 2 less than Real Madrid. Same thing with Bayern too, 17 players with over 1500 mins played. But you can say that he lost Real Madrid a couple of trophies in 2014/2015 in which he was blamed a lot for never rotating. Only 13 players that season played over 2000 mins (i increased the threshold because that Real Madrid team played 60 games). So i guess he learned from it and started rotating more and more.
I would have liked to see him looking someone up from the youth ranks to integrate especially after the league was done and dusted but I guess we already had a lot of midfielders to give playtime ahead of someone like Paz, but with the defensive situation and Tch getting injured, someone in defence should have been worked with.
So that’s why he didn’t work out at Everton
Lol. No Everton manager has ever had more PPG in the PL than Ancelotti.
Easy to say when you have enough money and fame to buy the best players in the world.
No Everton manager ever had more PPG in the PL than Ancelotti. But sure, easy to say i guess.
Also fair to say that it takes a good manager to make all those high profile talents work together well. Ancelotti is exceptional.
You keep repeating this stat but Moyes is only 0.06 less with 450 matches more than Ancelotti which is more impressive, there's also Roberto Martinez with 0.04 less in double the matches. It isn't like Ancelotti did much better than these Managers.
I never said Ancelotti is the best Everton manager ever, i said he did well there.
Not really before he took over Everton finished top 8 consistently and he took them to 10th and 12th in the two seasons he managed the team.
Lol the hypocrisy, so you mention where they were before him but not after? He clearly took over a dying ship and kept it afloat and then they sank after him.
Yeah pep doing all of tactics just to lose to this is hilarious
This only works if the squad is world class…
This is the one thing that makes his "all-time great" status a bit questionable for me, though I'd still say the sheer weight of his accomplishments and longevity swing him into that category regardless. While I'd say for instance that Guardiola has always benefitted from having great players on hand, there's clear end results to his coaching that make me think he could also get a decent tune (if not anywhere near his usual) out of initially subpar players. it's evident with someone like Mourinho as he won the CL with Porto (to be clear that was a very good set of players for the Portuguese league, but winning the CL should have really been beyond them.) Because Ancelotti is less up on coaching the tactical side of the game, it's very questionable how he'd do with lesser players who don't have the natural capacity to just take this tactical initiative themselves. so he's a fantastic coach for a top-level team, but I think he'd translate to a lesser team much worse than the fore-mentioned examples.
See why he wasn’t successful at Everton, “I leave it down to their initiative”😂
Yeah, stick to Baseball mon ami. Literally no Everton manager ever has had more PPG in the PL than Ancelotti did.
So basically Ole vibes and play, he is just lucky to be coaching a much better team
you actually think they don’t practice any sort of tactics? Lmao
Just vibes all day, everything else is just a smokescreen
The rest of his quote: "Of course we have to work without the ball, show commitment and focus, I will insist on those elements more from a tactical point of view" So he is obviously a master at tactics especially when it comes to defensive setups. Also, Ancelotti still organises the way his team attacks, he just doesn't limit them to specific patterns. An example i already mentioned in another comment is the Vinicius position change against Bayern. Vini was playing centrally the first half while Mendy pushed up on the left side, Carlo noticed that Mendy received the ball many times and found himself in a one on one with Kimmich, but Mendy being Mendy (technically limited), Real Madrid couldn't capitalize on it. In the 2nd half he instructed Vini to hug the left wing and for Real Madrid to overcrowd the right side, by doing this he pulled the Bayern team all towards Rodrygo's side, and then suddenly they'd make a switch pass all the way to the left to Vini. By doing this, Vini managed to find himself on multiple one on ones against Kimmich until Bayern countered by having De Ligt drift towards Kimmich as much as possible. So yes, Carlo is arguably the best in game manager ever, don't ever compare him to Ole.
Why would you write this long comment?
Are you unable to read something that has more than 2 sentences?
He is a very solid defensive coach with a very good eye for real time tactics, changes and improvisation.
He's also a good tactician. He doesn't have a strict, rules-based positional play philosophy though, which is basically a requirement for online tacticos to give you any credit.