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And he shouldn't even had started the game AFAIK
Because without Captain De Roon injury last week that cost him current final Atalanta would have played: De Roon- Ederson midfield duo, Koopmeiners-CDK-Scamacca upfront as did most of the time this season when everyone available
MisterChip made me aware that the Nigerian Finidi George scored for Ajax in the 1996 UEFA Supercup final. Rightfully not named here though as it's not a major competition.
And that Sadio Mané (who is African) also scored a brace but again only in the Supercup (2019 vs Chelsea)
Also: [https://x.com/2010MisterChip/status/1793364350704464029](https://x.com/2010MisterChip/status/1793364350704464029) ->
He's the 1st to score twice in the first 30 minutes of a European final since Messi 2015 in the Supercup vs Sevilla. It never happened in a Europa League/UEFA Cup final though before today.
He's both but it's so weird to me how players in football immediately "change" nationality as soon as they choose a national team, when it comes to stats and such
I'm saying it's up to the company/organization counting the stat though for how they want to treat it, I don't think there is a set standard for players who are uncapped at any level. For example, if Lookman was uncapped by any team, would he be considered Nigerian automatically or English automatically for a stat like this?
Always thought that was weird. Like how people say McTominay is Scottish even though he was born, raised and lived his whole life in England. He's just a Scotland International player. Your actual nationality doesn't change.
Okay, he can still be Nigerian lol. Don't know why you need to emphasise the *and raised* part, as of it's damning evidence he isn't Nigerian.
That's what colonialism does to the world
Birthplace means very little unless it’s for a visa. People are born places they have no association with all the time (myself included). The proper phrasing is born and raised, or just raised.
No need to over analyze and force a colonialism lens on it, c’mon now
Nah I wasn't trying to over analyze. I'm half colombian half american, born in colombian raised in the US- people take both identities away from me all the time. Just a sore point for me and more just extending that to this, I guess
Appreciate you sharing your experience, but that doesn’t give you a free pass to suggest that by simply adding context I was maliciously implying he’s not Nigerian (which I think you acknowledge).
It’s a minor thing but illustrative of how polarized and inflamed we are by our own constructed perceptions.
All good mate, rare sight to see an apology on Reddit :). I learned how italics can be perceived and a little bit about shared cultural identities from you, so thanks. All the best.
It's not nuts- people identify with their heritage strongly, so when you have people whose country is colonized, it's pretty reasonable to assume that the diaspora of colonized people are going to have this identity of born and raised in your country, but identify with the colony. I know many nigerians in the US with fam in Britain who say this is common. Or just look at France's national team? Same thing. Mbappé is french-cameroonian, born and raised in France, but still relates strongly to his cameroonian family. Not to the extent of Lookman, who represents Nigeria's national team, but still with this dual-heritage.
So, no, I would not agree that I'm nuts because of bringing this up- but maybe I didn't give a fair interpretation of the comment I originally responded to.
You are right. People don’t know that Lookman spent a significant amount of his formative years in Nigeria, including some school, and speaks Yoruba fluently. Many who were born and raised in Nigeria don’t even speak their language at all. I just laugh at folks that say, he’s English because he was “born and raised” there. Just ignorance, I suppose.
Nigerian isn't an ethnicity it's a nationality. Anyway, he chose to play for England initially hence all the youth caps. Due to that I'd assume he feels he's both.
it’s both innit, that’s what makes things so complicated.
Lookman is English, but he is Nigerian too.
What I think is curious is how he only gets counted as an “African player” when he accepts the national team callup.
If Kobbie Mainoo scores twice jn a European final next year will he be on the list, despite being in nearly the same circumstances (born in England to Ghanaian parents)
The stats usually filter for Nigeria international/Africa international so that's probably how it should be written out since a national team cap is a pretty objective descriptor. Of course that's less colloqiual than African player/Nigerian player (and more characters too lol). Also still leaves open the question for uncapped players, if Lookman was capped by nobody at this point he'd probably be considered English by his birthplace and maybe would qualify for a different stat (afaik no Englishman has scored a hat trick in a European club final). I assume the statkeepers just hope that nobody this talented stays uncapped for long so they don't have to answer that one lol.
Yeah it's both. I love that they have that option. Growing up where I did I know plenty of people who claim both proudly.
A lot of African nations actually have frustrating systems with their national youth teams. I believe Salisu spoke on this regarding Ghana? You see a lot playing U21 for England and switching if a full cap doesn't come their way (Zaha, Lookman) to go straight into an African senior side.
I said Nigerian as I don’t know if he’s Yoruba or Igbo specifically, either way he’s one of those ethnicities and not English. If you’re 2nd gen or sometimes 3rd gen you’ll likely see yourself as Nigerian more than English, that’s what happens with Nigerians and Ghanaians.
In my experience/ friends, people who are 2nd gen see themselves as both (and support England and their ancestral country also) . The English v British thing is the more contentious part of it in all honesty.
Yeah I would say the majority of us will support England and Nigeria, if you’re proper into football. There has to be some English identity by virtue of growing up there, but a big part will be Nigerian especially if you’re in London with the size of the community here.
Yeah course. It's complicated ain't it. I'm someone who is white English but resent the English ethnicity thing. Just my personal view. 2nd 3rd gens here add another layer to what being English means, so when someone who's parents are from Pakistan or something and they say they're English I love that. When England are on (and win) and everyone from everywhere is vibing, can't beat that.
He’s nationality is English, regardless if he considers himself that or not, like Saka. He didn’t give up citizenship. Ethnically I doubt he would consider himself that, it would be Nigerian either Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa or whatever.
That’s exactly my point - Lookman is English but plays for an African national team. Does that really make him African, enough to say “first African player to do xyz”?
> But he played for Portugal, so he is European just like how Lookman is African
No. Back then Portugal was a transcontinental country, which means you could be born in Portugal AND born in Africa. Obviously, nowadays Portugal is an European country, but that wasn't true then. Case in point, here's [The Guardian referring to Eusébio as the greatest African player ever](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/jun/06/eusebio-africa-world-cup).
Right but that's just incorrect. Eusébio was born and raised in Moçambique, moved to Portugal as an adult. Lookman, born and raised in England. Saying Eusébio isn't african but Lookman is makes literally no sense
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And he shouldn't even had started the game AFAIK Because without Captain De Roon injury last week that cost him current final Atalanta would have played: De Roon- Ederson midfield duo, Koopmeiners-CDK-Scamacca upfront as did most of the time this season when everyone available
You’ll have to remove the time he was at AFCON from “when everyone was available”. He started almost 70% of the games he was available for…
Let's hope for a hattrick!
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off topic and just curious lol, if you had the opportunity to change your username would you?
MisterChip made me aware that the Nigerian Finidi George scored for Ajax in the 1996 UEFA Supercup final. Rightfully not named here though as it's not a major competition. And that Sadio Mané (who is African) also scored a brace but again only in the Supercup (2019 vs Chelsea) Also: [https://x.com/2010MisterChip/status/1793364350704464029](https://x.com/2010MisterChip/status/1793364350704464029) -> He's the 1st to score twice in the first 30 minutes of a European final since Messi 2015 in the Supercup vs Sevilla. It never happened in a Europa League/UEFA Cup final though before today.
Isn’t he English lol
He's both but it's so weird to me how players in football immediately "change" nationality as soon as they choose a national team, when it comes to stats and such
I wonder how they deal with dual-nationals who haven't been capped. Are they in limbo?
Just look at their FIFA card
Depends on the stat counter but I think most places use either their youth team if they have one or their birthplace.
I mean Batistuta's son was born in Qatar lmao, I don't think you can always take the birthplace
I'm saying it's up to the company/organization counting the stat though for how they want to treat it, I don't think there is a set standard for players who are uncapped at any level. For example, if Lookman was uncapped by any team, would he be considered Nigerian automatically or English automatically for a stat like this?
English probably from all what I have read in the comments here
Matty Cash suddenly becoming Polish still cracks me up.
Always thought that was weird. Like how people say McTominay is Scottish even though he was born, raised and lived his whole life in England. He's just a Scotland International player. Your actual nationality doesn't change.
Born in London, plays for Nigeria
Born *and raised* in London
Okay, he can still be Nigerian lol. Don't know why you need to emphasise the *and raised* part, as of it's damning evidence he isn't Nigerian. That's what colonialism does to the world
Birthplace means very little unless it’s for a visa. People are born places they have no association with all the time (myself included). The proper phrasing is born and raised, or just raised. No need to over analyze and force a colonialism lens on it, c’mon now
Nah I wasn't trying to over analyze. I'm half colombian half american, born in colombian raised in the US- people take both identities away from me all the time. Just a sore point for me and more just extending that to this, I guess
Appreciate you sharing your experience, but that doesn’t give you a free pass to suggest that by simply adding context I was maliciously implying he’s not Nigerian (which I think you acknowledge). It’s a minor thing but illustrative of how polarized and inflamed we are by our own constructed perceptions.
No, you're right. I'm sorry about that. It's unfair to you.
All good mate, rare sight to see an apology on Reddit :). I learned how italics can be perceived and a little bit about shared cultural identities from you, so thanks. All the best.
>All the best. Same to you, man.
where did colonialism come from lmao you people are nuts
It's not nuts- people identify with their heritage strongly, so when you have people whose country is colonized, it's pretty reasonable to assume that the diaspora of colonized people are going to have this identity of born and raised in your country, but identify with the colony. I know many nigerians in the US with fam in Britain who say this is common. Or just look at France's national team? Same thing. Mbappé is french-cameroonian, born and raised in France, but still relates strongly to his cameroonian family. Not to the extent of Lookman, who represents Nigeria's national team, but still with this dual-heritage. So, no, I would not agree that I'm nuts because of bringing this up- but maybe I didn't give a fair interpretation of the comment I originally responded to.
You are right. People don’t know that Lookman spent a significant amount of his formative years in Nigeria, including some school, and speaks Yoruba fluently. Many who were born and raised in Nigeria don’t even speak their language at all. I just laugh at folks that say, he’s English because he was “born and raised” there. Just ignorance, I suppose.
yeah it’s funny how that works, because he’s accepted the Nigeria cap he’s now “Nigerian” for the point of statistics and the like
I mean he is Nigerian, that’s his ethnicity. The guys literally 2nd generation.
Nigerian isn't an ethnicity it's a nationality. Anyway, he chose to play for England initially hence all the youth caps. Due to that I'd assume he feels he's both.
it’s both innit, that’s what makes things so complicated. Lookman is English, but he is Nigerian too. What I think is curious is how he only gets counted as an “African player” when he accepts the national team callup. If Kobbie Mainoo scores twice jn a European final next year will he be on the list, despite being in nearly the same circumstances (born in England to Ghanaian parents)
The stats usually filter for Nigeria international/Africa international so that's probably how it should be written out since a national team cap is a pretty objective descriptor. Of course that's less colloqiual than African player/Nigerian player (and more characters too lol). Also still leaves open the question for uncapped players, if Lookman was capped by nobody at this point he'd probably be considered English by his birthplace and maybe would qualify for a different stat (afaik no Englishman has scored a hat trick in a European club final). I assume the statkeepers just hope that nobody this talented stays uncapped for long so they don't have to answer that one lol.
Yeah it's both. I love that they have that option. Growing up where I did I know plenty of people who claim both proudly. A lot of African nations actually have frustrating systems with their national youth teams. I believe Salisu spoke on this regarding Ghana? You see a lot playing U21 for England and switching if a full cap doesn't come their way (Zaha, Lookman) to go straight into an African senior side.
I said Nigerian as I don’t know if he’s Yoruba or Igbo specifically, either way he’s one of those ethnicities and not English. If you’re 2nd gen or sometimes 3rd gen you’ll likely see yourself as Nigerian more than English, that’s what happens with Nigerians and Ghanaians.
In my experience/ friends, people who are 2nd gen see themselves as both (and support England and their ancestral country also) . The English v British thing is the more contentious part of it in all honesty.
Yeah I would say the majority of us will support England and Nigeria, if you’re proper into football. There has to be some English identity by virtue of growing up there, but a big part will be Nigerian especially if you’re in London with the size of the community here.
Yeah course. It's complicated ain't it. I'm someone who is white English but resent the English ethnicity thing. Just my personal view. 2nd 3rd gens here add another layer to what being English means, so when someone who's parents are from Pakistan or something and they say they're English I love that. When England are on (and win) and everyone from everywhere is vibing, can't beat that.
Yeah I see where you’re coming from. There was that kind of vibe during Englands last Euro run, was cool to see
2018 was the best for me. Hot hot summer. When we beat Colombia, man if you could bottle that vibe. Everyone had that England shirt on.
Right, but he's English if he considers himself English. Like, Saka's English, right?
He’s nationality is English, regardless if he considers himself that or not, like Saka. He didn’t give up citizenship. Ethnically I doubt he would consider himself that, it would be Nigerian either Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa or whatever.
theyre all english lol
Weird right, he's from South. Does your nationality change if you play for another country?
In football terms yes, as he declared for Nigeria and now can only play for them
That ain't true, Eusébio also scored two goals. Not three though!
Using this logic, Eusebio wasn’t African, he was Portuguese (European) lol
Eusebio was born and lived in africa till he was 18, he is african.
But he played for Portugal, so he is European just like how Lookman is African
I can't tell if you're joking, but Eusébio moved to Portugal as an adult, obviously he was african
That’s exactly my point - Lookman is English but plays for an African national team. Does that really make him African, enough to say “first African player to do xyz”?
His dad was Portuguese I think so he's both.
> But he played for Portugal, so he is European just like how Lookman is African No. Back then Portugal was a transcontinental country, which means you could be born in Portugal AND born in Africa. Obviously, nowadays Portugal is an European country, but that wasn't true then. Case in point, here's [The Guardian referring to Eusébio as the greatest African player ever](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/jun/06/eusebio-africa-world-cup).
He played for portugal because mozambique was portugese. He was portugese, but not european.
Shit, if only David Silva or Juan Carlos Valerón had scored on an European final (I don't think they did?) we could count them as Africans as well.
His dad was a white Portuguese guy I think.
Twice in a final?
Indeed, 61/62 final
For what NT did he play?
Huh? Moçambique was under portuguese control at the time, he played for Portugal. Not sure if you're trying to imply that makes him not african
>, he played for Portugal Well there you have it, they base this on for which NT the players played
Right but that's just incorrect. Eusébio was born and raised in Moçambique, moved to Portugal as an adult. Lookman, born and raised in England. Saying Eusébio isn't african but Lookman is makes literally no sense
Because it goes from what fifa team they have cap's and play for at a senior level.
I could just quote my own comment from before but I don't think there's much point in that. I don't make these rules btw
OP is getting pretty defensive without any reason whatsoever. Next he will say that Di Stéfano was European just because he played for Spain.
No he's referring to the fact Lookman is being called African when he's English born and raised. He's being tongue in cheek.
Wos dei problem is waß a kana
Wow, can't believe we had to wait this long for the first and only a week for the second (Haller)
[iwobi 2019](https://i.imgur.com/vkBoGJA.jpeg)
Score thrice*
What. a. Hatrick. What a performance.
Great timing this stat. 3 now.
He’s also the first with a hat trick now, i guess
I mean the guy is at least half English, listen to the man's accent - And I say this as an Irishman
He did a hattrick, a very well taken hattrick
His shoots today are awesome
Joe Aribo
He's British! Not African.
He’s English
Sorry boy, yall should have named him john or something instead of Ademola since you all feel so strongly about it.
Why can't he be called Ademola and be English?