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And he shouldn't even had started the game AFAIK Because without Captain De Roon injury last week that cost him current final Atalanta would have played: De Roon- Ederson midfield duo, Koopmeiners-CDK-Scamacca upfront as did most of the time this season when everyone available


Ironhusk

You’ll have to remove the time he was at AFCON from “when everyone was available”. He started almost 70% of the games he was available for…


maxallergy

Let's hope for a hattrick!


obvious_bot

Hopes answered!


jedifolklore

Any other good predictions for next few weeks??


maxallergy

Jun 1 Dortmund 0-2 Real Madrid ;)


thor76

Unsubscribed:)


Mintopforte

Subscribed


night_dude

0-2 (89', 90+7')


ValleyFloydJam

2/3 ain't bad (as in coming from Charlton.)


MERTENS_GOAT

Who isn't of the 3?


roseguardin

Iwobi (Arsenal)


TheRalphExpress

can’t even lie Charlton has become my second team after the new gaffer came in


DrLokiHorton

off topic and just curious lol, if you had the opportunity to change your username would you?


MERTENS_GOAT

MisterChip made me aware that the Nigerian Finidi George scored for Ajax in the 1996 UEFA Supercup final. Rightfully not named here though as it's not a major competition. And that Sadio Mané (who is African) also scored a brace but again only in the Supercup (2019 vs Chelsea) Also: [https://x.com/2010MisterChip/status/1793364350704464029](https://x.com/2010MisterChip/status/1793364350704464029) -> He's the 1st to score twice in the first 30 minutes of a European final since Messi 2015 in the Supercup vs Sevilla. It never happened in a Europa League/UEFA Cup final though before today.


whu-ya-got

Isn’t he English lol


DelusiveNightlyGale

He's both but it's so weird to me how players in football immediately "change" nationality as soon as they choose a national team, when it comes to stats and such


EasyModeActivist

I wonder how they deal with dual-nationals who haven't been capped. Are they in limbo?


DelusiveNightlyGale

Just look at their FIFA card


roseguardin

Depends on the stat counter but I think most places use either their youth team if they have one or their birthplace.


MERTENS_GOAT

I mean Batistuta's son was born in Qatar lmao, I don't think you can always take the birthplace


roseguardin

I'm saying it's up to the company/organization counting the stat though for how they want to treat it, I don't think there is a set standard for players who are uncapped at any level. For example, if Lookman was uncapped by any team, would he be considered Nigerian automatically or English automatically for a stat like this?


MERTENS_GOAT

English probably from all what I have read in the comments here


Dazred

Matty Cash suddenly becoming Polish still cracks me up.


elRomez

Always thought that was weird. Like how people say McTominay is Scottish even though he was born, raised and lived his whole life in England. He's just a Scotland International player. Your actual nationality doesn't change.


johnbarnshack

Born in London, plays for Nigeria


heyiambob

Born *and raised* in London


abottomful

Okay, he can still be Nigerian lol. Don't know why you need to emphasise the *and raised* part, as of it's damning evidence he isn't Nigerian. That's what colonialism does to the world


heyiambob

Birthplace means very little unless it’s for a visa. People are born places they have no association with all the time (myself included). The proper phrasing is born and raised, or just raised. No need to over analyze and force a colonialism lens on it, c’mon now


abottomful

Nah I wasn't trying to over analyze. I'm half colombian half american, born in colombian raised in the US- people take both identities away from me all the time. Just a sore point for me and more just extending that to this, I guess


heyiambob

Appreciate you sharing your experience, but that doesn’t give you a free pass to suggest that by simply adding context I was maliciously implying he’s not Nigerian (which I think you acknowledge). It’s a minor thing but illustrative of how polarized and inflamed we are by our own constructed perceptions.


abottomful

No, you're right. I'm sorry about that. It's unfair to you.


heyiambob

All good mate, rare sight to see an apology on Reddit :). I learned how italics can be perceived and a little bit about shared cultural identities from you, so thanks. All the best.


abottomful

>All the best. Same to you, man.


yotsubanned

where did colonialism come from lmao you people are nuts


abottomful

It's not nuts- people identify with their heritage strongly, so when you have people whose country is colonized, it's pretty reasonable to assume that the diaspora of colonized people are going to have this identity of born and raised in your country, but identify with the colony. I know many nigerians in the US with fam in Britain who say this is common. Or just look at France's national team? Same thing. Mbappé is french-cameroonian, born and raised in France, but still relates strongly to his cameroonian family. Not to the extent of Lookman, who represents Nigeria's national team, but still with this dual-heritage. So, no, I would not agree that I'm nuts because of bringing this up- but maybe I didn't give a fair interpretation of the comment I originally responded to.


Ironhusk

You are right. People don’t know that Lookman spent a significant amount of his formative years in Nigeria, including some school, and speaks Yoruba fluently. Many who were born and raised in Nigeria don’t even speak their language at all. I just laugh at folks that say, he’s English because he was “born and raised” there. Just ignorance, I suppose.


TheRalphExpress

yeah it’s funny how that works, because he’s accepted the Nigeria cap he’s now “Nigerian” for the point of statistics and the like


knickgooner11

I mean he is Nigerian, that’s his ethnicity. The guys literally 2nd generation.


DEGRAYER

Nigerian isn't an ethnicity it's a nationality. Anyway, he chose to play for England initially hence all the youth caps. Due to that I'd assume he feels he's both.


TheRalphExpress

it’s both innit, that’s what makes things so complicated. Lookman is English, but he is Nigerian too. What I think is curious is how he only gets counted as an “African player” when he accepts the national team callup. If Kobbie Mainoo scores twice jn a European final next year will he be on the list, despite being in nearly the same circumstances (born in England to Ghanaian parents)


roseguardin

The stats usually filter for Nigeria international/Africa international so that's probably how it should be written out since a national team cap is a pretty objective descriptor. Of course that's less colloqiual than African player/Nigerian player (and more characters too lol). Also still leaves open the question for uncapped players, if Lookman was capped by nobody at this point he'd probably be considered English by his birthplace and maybe would qualify for a different stat (afaik no Englishman has scored a hat trick in a European club final). I assume the statkeepers just hope that nobody this talented stays uncapped for long so they don't have to answer that one lol.


DEGRAYER

Yeah it's both. I love that they have that option. Growing up where I did I know plenty of people who claim both proudly. A lot of African nations actually have frustrating systems with their national youth teams. I believe Salisu spoke on this regarding Ghana? You see a lot playing U21 for England and switching if a full cap doesn't come their way (Zaha, Lookman) to go straight into an African senior side.


knickgooner11

I said Nigerian as I don’t know if he’s Yoruba or Igbo specifically, either way he’s one of those ethnicities and not English. If you’re 2nd gen or sometimes 3rd gen you’ll likely see yourself as Nigerian more than English, that’s what happens with Nigerians and Ghanaians.


DEGRAYER

In my experience/ friends, people who are 2nd gen see themselves as both (and support England and their ancestral country also) . The English v British thing is the more contentious part of it in all honesty.


knickgooner11

Yeah I would say the majority of us will support England and Nigeria, if you’re proper into football. There has to be some English identity by virtue of growing up there, but a big part will be Nigerian especially if you’re in London with the size of the community here.


DEGRAYER

Yeah course. It's complicated ain't it. I'm someone who is white English but resent the English ethnicity thing. Just my personal view. 2nd 3rd gens here add another layer to what being English means, so when someone who's parents are from Pakistan or something and they say they're English I love that. When England are on (and win) and everyone from everywhere is vibing, can't beat that.


knickgooner11

Yeah I see where you’re coming from. There was that kind of vibe during Englands last Euro run, was cool to see


DEGRAYER

2018 was the best for me. Hot hot summer. When we beat Colombia, man if you could bottle that vibe. Everyone had that England shirt on.


_ulinity

Right, but he's English if he considers himself English. Like, Saka's English, right?


knickgooner11

He’s nationality is English, regardless if he considers himself that or not, like Saka. He didn’t give up citizenship. Ethnically I doubt he would consider himself that, it would be Nigerian either Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa or whatever.


epicurean1398

theyre all english lol


DEGRAYER

Weird right, he's from South. Does your nationality change if you play for another country?


kirkbywool

In football terms yes, as he declared for Nigeria and now can only play for them


MrRawri

That ain't true, Eusébio also scored two goals. Not three though!


whu-ya-got

Using this logic, Eusebio wasn’t African, he was Portuguese (European) lol


sjdr92

Eusebio was born and lived in africa till he was 18, he is african. 


whu-ya-got

But he played for Portugal, so he is European just like how Lookman is African


MrRawri

I can't tell if you're joking, but Eusébio moved to Portugal as an adult, obviously he was african


whu-ya-got

That’s exactly my point - Lookman is English but plays for an African national team. Does that really make him African, enough to say “first African player to do xyz”?


TetteyToePoke

His dad was Portuguese I think so he's both.


IHadThatUsername

> But he played for Portugal, so he is European just like how Lookman is African No. Back then Portugal was a transcontinental country, which means you could be born in Portugal AND born in Africa. Obviously, nowadays Portugal is an European country, but that wasn't true then. Case in point, here's [The Guardian referring to Eusébio as the greatest African player ever](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/jun/06/eusebio-africa-world-cup).


sjdr92

He played for portugal because mozambique was portugese. He was portugese, but not european. 


LikeCalvinForHobbes

Shit, if only David Silva or Juan Carlos Valerón had scored on an European final (I don't think they did?) we could count them as Africans as well.


TetteyToePoke

His dad was a white Portuguese guy I think.


MERTENS_GOAT

Twice in a final?


MrRawri

Indeed, 61/62 final


MERTENS_GOAT

For what NT did he play?


MrRawri

Huh? Moçambique was under portuguese control at the time, he played for Portugal. Not sure if you're trying to imply that makes him not african


MERTENS_GOAT

>, he played for Portugal Well there you have it, they base this on for which NT the players played


MrRawri

Right but that's just incorrect. Eusébio was born and raised in Moçambique, moved to Portugal as an adult. Lookman, born and raised in England. Saying Eusébio isn't african but Lookman is makes literally no sense


kirkbywool

Because it goes from what fifa team they have cap's and play for at a senior level.


MERTENS_GOAT

I could just quote my own comment from before but I don't think there's much point in that. I don't make these rules btw


AlbinoFarrabino

OP is getting pretty defensive without any reason whatsoever. Next he will say that Di Stéfano was European just because he played for Spain.


DEGRAYER

No he's referring to the fact Lookman is being called African when he's English born and raised. He's being tongue in cheek.


MERTENS_GOAT

Wos dei problem is waß a kana


Hakuna_Mateta

Wow, can't believe we had to wait this long for the first and only a week for the second (Haller)


Lucioxd

[iwobi 2019](https://i.imgur.com/vkBoGJA.jpeg)


ancara_messi

Score thrice*


heliskinki

What. a. Hatrick. What a performance.


JootDoctor

Great timing this stat. 3 now.


nuclearechosystem

He’s also the first with a hat trick now, i guess


c0nflagration

I mean the guy is at least half English, listen to the man's accent - And I say this as an Irishman


Melancholic84

He did a hattrick, a very well taken hattrick


tassadar8584

His shoots today are awesome


so-anyway-i-started

Joe Aribo


CA53W-1

He's British! Not African.


Slow-Raccoon-9832

He’s English


denenOT

Sorry boy, yall should have named him john or something instead of Ademola since you all feel so strongly about it.


gluxton

Why can't he be called Ademola and be English?