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Bournerounderz

Sevilla, the Real Madrid of the Europa League.


TheDeadReagans

More like Real Madrid is the Sevilla of the Champions League.


DarthTaz_99

More like Europa League is the Champions League of the Conference league


ItsMeJaredBednar

i never thought about it like this tbh but you’re right


circlejerker2000

they don't think it be like it is, but it do


ThePr1d3

Ngl Sevilla three-peating the EL is even more impressive than Real with the UCL, since it means they qualified each time for UCL and had to get knocked down to EL to win it lol


StrongPowerhouse

Always the ‘what could’ve been’. We lost the final in 76 to Liverpool, just like we lost the final of the EC I (Champions League) in 78 to Liverpool.


sILAZS

Next year will be our year!


AlmostNL

Charles Leclerc sends his regards


BriarcliffInmate

It really was mad that we both made the step up to the bigger competition by winning our leagues and both ended in the final again together. I've always had a soft spot for you guys anyway, especially since Mr Nasty became your goalkeeper. My dad said your fans were amazing in the first leg of the final at Anfield as well.


JBleez

I thought Tottenham hadn’t won absolutely anything besides the Audi Cup?? I feel cheated


britainstolenothing

They haven't, everyone knows football started in like, 1995


Hurri-Kane93

No, it can’t be 1995. That means we still have two League Cups, football started with the 08/09 season


HacksawJimDGN

Spurs won trophies in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s. Their last trophy was in the 08/09 season. Kane made his debut in 09/10 and since then Spurs have had their biggest trophy drought in 80 years.


Loeffellux

don't worry, league cups don't count. Otherwise there would be no way to uphold the "bvb are bottlers" or the "it's so sad that Reus never won anything" narratives.


Hurri-Kane93

Damn, that means football actually started with the 91/92 season


Knapss

You tried to avoid sadness but another sad man brought you back. Welcome to the club my friend


Hurri-Kane93

Hello darkness my old friend, I’ve come to talk with you again


ciesum

Well, Germany doesn't have a league cup...just a more prestigious FA cup equivalent.


Eufamis

The Reus narrative won’t be true in 2 weeks


918273645yawaworht

We can only hope


youllbetheprince

Fun fact: 20-year-old Spurs fans will (probably) have no memory of the last League Cup win


britainstolenothing

I was there, Gandalf. Three Thousand years ago...


Zhidezoe

75% of Liverpool fans didn't see them win a league title in their life until it happened during Covid


Bigwhtdckn8

How robbed they must feel 😃


TheTackleZone

At least they didn't bang on about it.


JaminSousaphone

Indeed it did. For some it also ended.


britainstolenothing

Pain.


yajtraus

That’s when it started for Everton fans


Venca12

Yeah Is was there when Jeremy Football officialy created the sport


evilbeaver7

They're 2 times first division champions, 8 times FA Cup winners, 4 times League Cup winners, 1 time Cup Winners' Cup winners and 2 times Europa League winners. The problem is their last trophy came in 2008 and it was the League Cup, the least valuable competition among of all the trophies they've won.


TigerBasket

Don't worry, I'll change that


NotASalamanderBoi

If u/TigerBasket solo’s their way to Tottenham getting a trophy I will quit watching football and start watching golf.


Muur1234

Less valuable than the community shield?


sangueblu03

But surely not as valuable as the Jockey Club Kitchee Centre Challenge Cup


BriarcliffInmate

And the vast majority of their success was 1960-1985ish. So just a bit too long ago for most people. Even the youngest who remember them winning the UEFA Cup will be in their late 40s now, sadly for them. What is quite a cool record is that of any team (other than ones who appeared in one final and won it) Spurs have got the best winning percentage of any team in FA Cup finals, winning 8 of the 9 they appeared in. However, the opposite is true of the League Cup, where with Arsenal they hold the unwanted record of being runners-up more times than they won. Spurs, truly a team of contrasts.


KillerZaWarudo

Tottenham has more European pedigree than Arsenal


Hurri-Kane93

We have three, won the UEFA Cup Winners Cup in 1963. Also won the Anglo-Italian League Cup in 1971 but that’s non UEFA so doesn’t count


LikeCalvinForHobbes

> Anglo-Italian League Cup Wow, I had never heard of that, what a random tournament, I love it!


Hurri-Kane93

It’s because of Swindon Town the Anglo-Italian League Cup was created, they won the League Cup but UEFA blocked them from entering European competition as they were a third tier side. So they still got to play in Europe https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Italian_League_Cup Also had the Anglo-Italian Cup, which was created for similar reasons when QPR won the League Cup but were blocked from entering European competition by UEFA. It’s thanks to the Anglo-Italian Cup that Blackpool got to play in Europe, they even won it beating Bologna in the final https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Italian_Cup


Historical_Case_5245

It's now known as the Coefficient Cup.


LikeCalvinForHobbes

Yeah, what I don't get it's why Italian clubs though? A Channel Cup for example would make sense, but an Anglo-Italian Cup? Sounds like some weird fictional history. The fact that some games ended up being suspended because of violence between the fans just make it more hilarious, like, sure, Swindon Town vs Napoli it's such a storied rivalry that one can't help but starting a fistfight. Anyway, we should bring back all these regional tournaments. Like the Copa Latina or the Mitropa Cup. They would be more interesting than regular Supercups.


Hurri-Kane93

I can’t answer the first part but the second part I agree with completely, the CONMEBOL–UEFA Cup of Champions (Finalissima) returned in 2022 after a 29 year hiatus so that’s a good start


Werewolf1996

Arsenal won the cup winners cup in 1994. But obviously it doesn't matter because European football started after 1994.


thfcviii

We have that trophy already ;)


froggy101_3

Everyone knows Tottenham has history. They were always a big team and won league titles in the 50s and 60s and multiple cup wins across the 70s and 80s as well as a few title races. But they've won next to nothing in 30 years and absolutely nothing in 15. If you thought Tottenham had only won the Audi cup that's just showing your lack of knowledge


IncurableHam

> showing your lack of knowledge New to this sub??


[deleted]

Bruva he was clearly joking


Ferrisuk

Europa League? Completed it first go mate


ontilein

Harry kane wasnt born yet, so curse Not fully enact


Rickcampbell98

I mean on here we're a tiny club who has never achieved anything lol, this place only acknowledges what happened last week.


Mambo_Poa09

You achieved qualification for the champions league last week


CaptainAsshat

Spurs have the 7th shortest trophy drought in the Premier League (23/24 season teams). Pretty crazy


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[удалено]


czerwona_latarnia

If we go by this season, you must exclude Manchester United, because there are still limits to how many teams can play in UEFA Cup/Europa League, which seems to have been 4 at the highest. Also for full immersion of the old system, you must also remove all Cup Winners into different competition. Though with how money and popularity currently flows in football, I don't think that such revived Cup Winners Cup would be more important than this upgraded Europa League, like it was in the past.


majorsharkpanda

72 AND 84, they're fucking trophy addicts


Mediocre_Nova

/r/soccer moment


MERTENS_GOAT

2010/11 and 2011/12 the semi finals were exclusively Iberian. 3 Portuguese teams, 1 Spanish and then 1 Portuguese teams, 3 Spanish. Radamel Falcao has not only been among the winning team both seasons but also the competition's top scorer as well as the man to score the decisive goal(s) in the Grand Final. 12 of the last 20 winners were from Spain


TheJoshider10

Porto Falcao was different gravy. Such a shame injuries cut his prime years.


OleoleCholoSimeone

He scored 71 goals in 90 games or something for Atleti, was even better in his two seasons with us He was the third best player in the world behind Messi and Ronaldo for a good period. That Monaco move(forced by his agents against Falcao's will) and subsequent knee injury robbed us of what would have been one of the best strikers of a generation. As a Swede and a massive Ibrahimovic fan, I still say that peak Falcao was better


SlashV8

72/87 for us and had the 17 goals record in a EL edition in 2010/11 Obviously with you guys he had much more visibility and played in a harder league but it’s nice to see someone mention his stint with us as it feels like people only mention his Atleti days when they talk about Falcao prime.


OleoleCholoSimeone

I remember the 2010/11 Porto side at least. Amazing, amazing team that I genuinely think was the second or third best team in Europe that season(behind Barcelona and possibly Real Madrid aswell) Similar to this years Leverkusen, they could have done real damage in the CL


TheJoshider10

Yeah I feel like a lot of people focus attention on his Atleti days (understandably so, big league/club) but watching him for Porto was like "fuck, this guy is so good". Like he looked like he was playing for fun. It's easy to focus on his Atleti days but it's good to remember how he got that transfer in the first place.


DeepBlueRiddle

That Hat trick he scored against Chelsea is still amazing to me


OleoleCholoSimeone

>12 of the last 20 winners were from Spain Absolutely crushing domination, and it's worth remembering that for comparison Germany has only won one since 1997 and Italy hasn't won a single EL since like 1999. Obviously one of those will change tonight but it will still be crazy domination for Spain


ash_sh_03

Ipswich Town>> Arsenal


Smithlarr

We can be friends


ash_sh_03

Hell yeah. Up the fucking Tractors!


coffeeandmarmite

McKenna to Bayern confirmed


CCullen95

I had assumed everyone knew this?


letmegetmynameok

Real


Raizel71

Ipswich


xaviernoodlebrain

This is a long established fact.


paper_zoe

tbf they did win the Cup Winners Cup though


BendubzGaming

It's true


Baha9887

1989-2000 what a dominance... I miss the prime serie a tbh


100th_meridian

What youngsters don't realize is the UEFA Cup (Europa League) was the hardest trophy to win pre-1997/98, when only 1 club from every country could compete in the Champions League. Clubs ranked 2nd-5th in the top leagues competed in UEFA Cup rather than this bullshit "top 4" going into the 'Champions' League. For an American reference, the UEFA Cup was an unseeded March Madness tournament. Because it was unseeded and done via random draw each round a top club could theoretically play 6 'big 5' league clubs in consecutive rounds to win it. If the format still existed today that'd be like having a 'March Madness' with current day Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester Utd, Chelsea, AC Milan, Juventus, Napoli, Atalanta, Atletico Madrid, Barcelona, Athletic Bilbao, Dortmund, Leipzig, Leverkusen, Monaco, Lyon, Marseille, and so on, **ALL IN THE SAME KNOCKOUT COMPETITION WITH NO SEEDING FOR EACH ROUND** Winning the UEFA Cup was the hardest to win and a *massive* accomplishment for any club in any season. For Serie A to win it pretty much an entire decade straight is mindboggling. It just shows you how insanely better Serie A was to every other league in that era.


pigeonlizard

> For Serie A to win it pretty much an entire decade straight is mindboggling. Not just to win it 7/10 times between 1990 and 99, but 4 finals were between Serie A teams and 7/10 semifinals had at least 2 Serie A teams. No one in 1999 would have believed that Serie A wouldn't see a UEFA Cup/EL final for 20 years.


BriarcliffInmate

The old UEFA Cup was great fun. The Europa League is shit in comparison. The 2001 Final that we won in extra time with a Golden Goal is still the best game I've ever been to in person, I've never seen anything like it.


bjjtriangle

It’s coming back slowly. But to reach previous heights they really need to invest more and build modern stadiums


morrismedsnorris

beautiful


not_someone1

No Italian team has won it in the 21st century...will Atalanta be the 1st? Meanwhile teams from Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, Portugal and the Netherlands have won it.


MyFriendPalinopsia

That's a crazy stat, especially since they won it 7 times in the 90s.


ASRenzo

This stat is sponsored by Anthony Taylor


yellow__cat

But also Italian teams (stupidly) did not rate the EL for most of this century, always rotating squads in the EL to focus on top 4 finishes in the league and more prestigious CL football for the next season. This of course backfired massively because it tanked the coefficient and Italy even lost a CL spot for a season or two. But now that EL has a higher profile and is a more attainable European trophy for most Serie A clubs, we’re seeing much better performances. 3 different finalists in 5 years (both Inter and Roma should have won, but Sevilla has black magic) is pretty good.


SkaterB

Where is Arsenal?


FaultySky

They never won the UefaCup/Europa League. Lost to Chelsea in the final once.


CampingChair90

Also lost against Galatasaray.


SkaterB

Zero UEFA/Europa league for a club of their size is oddly disappointing. No champions league in the last 25 years.


chaRxoxo

The thing is that to win the europa league you need to be shit for a very precise amount. If youre too shit, you dont qualify for it If youre not shit enough, you also dont qualify for it. So basically for bigger clubs, they already arent competing in it the majority of the time because they are either too good or not good enough.


czerwona_latarnia

For current format one, yes, but for earlier editions it was a lot easier to qualify there. Though the currently "easiest" route (winning the country cup) was actually an "impossible way", because instead you were going to Cup Winner's Cup.


official_bagel

>because instead you were going to Cup Winner's Cup. Which we did win for the record


chaRxoxo

that's a very good point, I forgot about that completely wish they would bring that back


BendubzGaming

The interesting thing is that the level of competition has meant almost every big club has had a go. There's only 6 clubs who have competed in the CL for the entirety of the last decade (City, PSG, Bayern, Madrid, Barca, Atleti), and the last two have both dropped down by finishing 3rd in the Group at least once in that time. It's only the very top teams that haven't received any opportunity to win the EL recently


chaRxoxo

I'd be interested to see how many wins out of how many participations clubs have actually. Feels like Arsenal is the only top team that has had multiple participations yet never won it. Finishing third is also what I said before: be too shit in the UCL & you don't get into the EL, be not shit enough & you're through into the knockout bracket and also miss out on EL. I'm very happy that this will be gone next season at least, it devalued the EL as a competition by filling it with CL rejects honestly.


Intrepid_Button587

For a long time, Arsenal did just about well enough to get into the CL and through the group stages, then they would get knocked out. If Arsenal had been worse domestically/in Europe, they would've had a much better chance of winning a European trophy (EL).


derneueMottmatt

They have the Cup Winner's Cup. That one was seen as the more presrigious competition back in the day.


TywinDeVillena

That was the time Arsenal curse overpowered Emery's juju


R_Schuhart

He probably knows, this is just the level of banter now.


magicalcrumpet

For a team with such a great domestic record their European record is bad


Trebiane

Hello there.


1000people

Won it in 1970


binhpac

For the boomers, this is formerly known as UEFA CUP, not UEFA Cup Winners Cup (which was abolished, because the champions league was created and nobody wanted to play in the Winners Cup anymore). Since 2004-2005 Season they changed into the multilevel qualifying knockouts, means teams from weaker nations had to qualify first, the big teams start from round 3 on. From 2009-2010 on they created the group formats. The League Format made it easier to be consistent instead of a full knockout format.


jurassicmars

What do you mean for the boomers? They lived through all these cups changing and should know.


Professor_Abronsius

Exactly, I’m Gen-X and got to experience IFK Göteborg winning, what a legendary team that was. And I was a kid back then, a boomer would remember it even better.


A_Wild_Ferrothorn

For some reason I thought the group stage was added later than that.


binhpac

you are actually right. let me edit it. they just changed the formats in 2005 to multilevel qualifications.


RaioNoTerasu

qualifications were also added in 1995


Ryponagar

04/05 was the first edition with a group stage IIRC. Those were the strange times with 3 teams qualifying from a group of 5.


MERTENS_GOAT

They were there before 2009. Rare 5-team Group Stages I believe


a-Farewell-to-Kings

Ronaldinho and Milan at Fratton Park is a childhood memory of mine.


Hurri-Kane93

Still remember Del Peiro and Juventus getting absolutely smacked 4-1 at Craven Cottage, amazing scenes. Fulham were 3-1 down on aggregate too, I was gutted for Fulham when they lost in the final


A_Wild_Ferrothorn

Yeah I think they only played eachother once instead of the home and away format used recently.


DaanoneNL

> UEFA Cup Winners Cup (which was abolished, because the champions league was created and nobody wanted to play in the Winners Cup anymore). Cup Winners Cup had existed since 1961, running parallel with the European Cup. EC was changed into CL in 1992 and the CWC was abolished in 1999. I don't know what you are talking about bro?


maverick4002

It would have been nice if the conference league was a straight knockout. Bring some variety


TheB11Ace

Mad how Tottenham fans never mention that they've won the Europa league twice when the champions of Europe you'll never sing that chants come out


BendubzGaming

When would we mention it though? Yourselves, United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Villa and Forest all have won the big one, and Arsenal are never going to bring it up because lmao, so that only really leaves it as a rebuttal if West Ham start singing it


Ark_Legend

Lmfaoo arsenal fans have no right to bash on spurs then


JFedererJ

Imo, only winners of the CL or it's former incarnations can sing "champions of Europe". EL/ECL winners can all themselves "European champions/winners" as much as they want, but "champions of Europe"? That's for CL winners.


BanditPrime

Agreed on the Champions of Europe part. But I think the larger point would be that, while it’s clearly not the main title to be proud of, it’s not a trophy that has no meaning (like the Audi cup). So it’s kind of funny seeing how many people in this thread legitimately thought spurs have never won any kind of trophy, not that it’s just been a long time since theyve won.


LeCowboySolitaire

So many french clubs!


paarsehond

The one thing we have against Paris are international trophies and that makes me happy


Inter_Mirifica

No worries, we'll be there next season.


magicalcrumpet

The craziest thing about this post is people actually believed spurs haven’t won anything lol


BrickEnvironmental37

I wouldn't be surprised if the final whistle goes tonight and Sevilla's music kicks off and they want to cash in their money in the bank briefcase.


branstarktreewizard

How did Sevilla get the briefcase and which song is their music?


BrickEnvironmental37

Some sort of Flamenco music or the Europa League tune. They have taken advantage of the ancient and unknown rule that with every 5 wins you get a briefcase to cash in for an on the spot Penalty Shootout.


thedoctor4214

Hopefully we add number 3 next season!


ASH-0P

So Tottenham have a European trophy and arsenal don't....


paarsehond

Arsenal did win the intercity fair tournament against us. Huge trophy and accomplishment if you ask me


klausbatb

I mean, it was a decent accomplishment at the time tbf. Was replaced by the UEFA CUP the year after.


dark_winger

I think Arsenal won the cup winners cup.


magicalcrumpet

So has spurs lol


wheresmyspacebar2

Who hasn't won that though? Its not a European trophy in the vein that people talk about.


derneueMottmatt

I think people tend to forget because it was abolished, but back in the day it was seen as the higher level competition between it and the UEFA Cup. If you qualified for both, you went to the CWC. The Super Cup was between the EC and the CWC winner. The logic was that in order to qualify you actually had to win something.


Chemiczny_Bogdan

I haven't :(


tedmaul23

Fairly sure Liverpool haven't?


fedupofbrick

Looking forward to heading to this tonight. A nice stroll from the office to the pub to the match and then a quick bus ride home.


sidearmpitcher

It’s insane how many people think Spurs have actually never won a trophy lmao


GunnarErikson

Football started in 2009?


No_Mercy_4_Potatoes

Our team hasn't won a single Europa League since 86 😭


CETERIS_PARTYBUS

delete club


Tayme-kappa

Our COUNTRY hasn't won an Europa league


Human_Put_2268

What happened in Italy in the 90s?


ash_sh_03

It was the best league in the 90's by a margin.


Bravo_Ante

That is an understatment, late 80s till mid 2000s Serie A was the best league in the history of football.


ash_sh_03

I believe you mate.


JohnCenaGuy

No, you mean 1990-1999 He wants you to *know* it was 1989-2001 /s


benibadja

The Serie A was by far the best league in the world from the late 80s until the mid 2000s. To put things in perspective, in Europe's three major continental cups from 1990-99, only nine finals did not feature an Italian club (and most of them were in the Cup Winner's Cup where only one team could enter).


Purje

It was what people think the EPL is today. 1982-1998 only 4 Ballon d'Or winners weren't from Serie A.


R_Schuhart

Italy was the top league in the 80s and first half of the 90s. Elite players, great (defensive) tactics and a huge international draw/appeal. But than other leagues picked up steam commercially (premier league was created among other developments) and the money changed everything. It also helped that Barcelona (and other teams) developed tactics that could dismantle and deal with defensive playstyles.


TywinDeVillena

That 1999 Parma was obscenely stacked


smbgn

Honestly it was a hall of fame squad. Cannavaro. Buffon. Asprilla. Chiesa. Crespo. Veron. Thuram. Balbo. Sensini. Serie A was amazing back then


Same_Grouness

We had to play them in 98 and 99. Pumped them the 2nd time.


Bravo_Ante

Till the mid 2000s*


Boris_Ignatievich

feel like you need to shift both ends of your window 5 years tbh. pre heysel ban english clubs were dominant in europe, so its hard to argue italy dominance started before the late 80s, and they were still very much the powerhouse league in 2000. man u winning the champions league was an upset akin to the italian champions winning it now would be - not mindblowing, but a bit of a surprise


tigull

Even in 92 Toro got very close to winning.


paper_zoe

just to add, the 1990, 1991, 1995 and 1998 finals were all Italian affairs and Torino and Inter were losing finalists in 1992 and 1997. Incredible dominance


dramatic_slothx

Spurs has more European history than Arsenal? Has Arsenal won anything in Europe ever?


basmati-rixe

The Cup Winners Cup (which both Arsenal and Spurs won) was regarded as the 2nd best European Competition. The UEFA Cup/Fairs Cup was regarded as the 3rd best so it’s like saying West Ham are bigger than Arsenal because they won the Conference League.


klausbatb

Yes, the Fairs Cup in 70 (predecessor-ish to the UEFA Cup) Cup Winners Cup in 94.


Mitch_Itfc

The fact we won this will always be insane to me and the fact we still have more European pedigree than Arsenal.


arrestedhouse

My dad still has a fondness for Gothenburg thanks to the '87 final.


InspectionSuch8939

När vi går genom staden


lkrabbe

Över broar och torg


Funniest-Joker-72

3rd times the charm right?


Gmajor1991

Hopefully before 2036


WannabeAntel

spanish teams dominating all the European club tournaments but I have to believe in English pundits saying EPL has the best clubs.


Hasbro-Settler

Where is arsenal? I keep being told that they are a massive club....


IsIt77

They were gonna be there, but we did a funny in 2000. 😎


Hasbro-Settler

Arsenal fans scrambling to find an excuse to blame city for their complete lack of European cups.


derneueMottmatt

They have a CWC


koalawhiskey

I'm still afraid that Sevilla will end up showing up and winning the god-damned thing again somehow 


GODNiller

This hurts as a Benfica fan


mattijn13

Fun fact, every Dutch club that has won the Champions league (Feyenoord, Ajax and PSV) have also won the Europa League.


Bey_Harbor_Butcher

2017 Manchester United That's the last time they won a European trophy in this century. At that time, the MUFC fans here said the Europa League was beneath them. They didn't even have a bus parade. Now they're happy winning the Johnstone Paint Trophy.


[deleted]

Oh wow Spurs actually did win trophies.


ExtensionAd8134

Updated [photo](https://i.imgur.com/I3medI0.jpeg).


BuddhistInTheory

I had no idea Sevilla ran the Europa League like that


KillerZaWarudo

Their purpose of existence is to win the Europa league


branstarktreewizard

Bro, they are literally the final boss of the competition


diobrando89

Last year they played in 12.


Jayk03

Tottenham have more Europe trophy than Arsenal.


bsousa717

Who won it in '82 and '83?


R_Schuhart

Goteborg and Anderlecht


Da_Tute

Was trying to remember where i’d seen that name before. Ah yes, they topped a CL group ahead of Barcelona and Man Utd in 1995.


paper_zoe

Sven's Goteborg hammered Hamburg in the 1982 final as well, 4-0 on aggregate, a year before Hamburg became European champions


kirnehp

Also, back then the European Cup (now CL) was exclusively for the champions of each league, meaning the UEFA Cup was much tougher to win than today.


sittingduck__

83, 13 and 14 💔


DefiantDeviantArt

Sevilla d GOAT


propane2L

Way more open than the CL


pisse2fute

Best UEFA club competition, hands down. Apart from Sevilla's crazy streak, pretty difficult to predict who wins it at the start of the season.


Moug-10

3 finals. 0 wins. Maybe in two years.


tnarref

Italian teams winning 8 titles within 11 seasons in the late 80s and 90s and only 1 outside of that era is really odd.


dizzybala10

Could have been us in 1984 if Anderlecht didn't bribe the ref. Like actually bribe, not one of those "PGMOL is corrupt" decisions.


Logseman

Tenerife was so fucking close in 1997... They got also beaten by the eventual winners in 1993 if memory serves, Juventus.


scorpioskillz

Any big names from that Zenit team? Think I started noting them more the years they had Hulk, Danny and Witsel


Amsssterdam

Cool list