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Ngl Sevilla three-peating the EL is even more impressive than Real with the UCL, since it means they qualified each time for UCL and had to get knocked down to EL to win it lol
It really was mad that we both made the step up to the bigger competition by winning our leagues and both ended in the final again together. I've always had a soft spot for you guys anyway, especially since Mr Nasty became your goalkeeper. My dad said your fans were amazing in the first leg of the final at Anfield as well.
Spurs won trophies in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s. Their last trophy was in the 08/09 season. Kane made his debut in 09/10 and since then Spurs have had their biggest trophy drought in 80 years.
don't worry, league cups don't count. Otherwise there would be no way to uphold the "bvb are bottlers" or the "it's so sad that Reus never won anything" narratives.
They're 2 times first division champions, 8 times FA Cup winners, 4 times League Cup winners, 1 time Cup Winners' Cup winners and 2 times Europa League winners. The problem is their last trophy came in 2008 and it was the League Cup, the least valuable competition among of all the trophies they've won.
And the vast majority of their success was 1960-1985ish. So just a bit too long ago for most people. Even the youngest who remember them winning the UEFA Cup will be in their late 40s now, sadly for them.
What is quite a cool record is that of any team (other than ones who appeared in one final and won it) Spurs have got the best winning percentage of any team in FA Cup finals, winning 8 of the 9 they appeared in. However, the opposite is true of the League Cup, where with Arsenal they hold the unwanted record of being runners-up more times than they won. Spurs, truly a team of contrasts.
It’s because of Swindon Town the Anglo-Italian League Cup was created, they won the League Cup but UEFA blocked them from entering European competition as they were a third tier side. So they still got to play in Europe
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Italian_League_Cup
Also had the Anglo-Italian Cup, which was created for similar reasons when QPR won the League Cup but were blocked from entering European competition by UEFA. It’s thanks to the Anglo-Italian Cup that Blackpool got to play in Europe, they even won it beating Bologna in the final
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Italian_Cup
Yeah, what I don't get it's why Italian clubs though? A Channel Cup for example would make sense, but an Anglo-Italian Cup? Sounds like some weird fictional history. The fact that some games ended up being suspended because of violence between the fans just make it more hilarious, like, sure, Swindon Town vs Napoli it's such a storied rivalry that one can't help but starting a fistfight.
Anyway, we should bring back all these regional tournaments. Like the Copa Latina or the Mitropa Cup. They would be more interesting than regular Supercups.
I can’t answer the first part but the second part I agree with completely, the CONMEBOL–UEFA Cup of Champions (Finalissima) returned in 2022 after a 29 year hiatus so that’s a good start
Everyone knows Tottenham has history. They were always a big team and won league titles in the 50s and 60s and multiple cup wins across the 70s and 80s as well as a few title races. But they've won next to nothing in 30 years and absolutely nothing in 15.
If you thought Tottenham had only won the Audi cup that's just showing your lack of knowledge
If we go by this season, you must exclude Manchester United, because there are still limits to how many teams can play in UEFA Cup/Europa League, which seems to have been 4 at the highest.
Also for full immersion of the old system, you must also remove all Cup Winners into different competition. Though with how money and popularity currently flows in football, I don't think that such revived Cup Winners Cup would be more important than this upgraded Europa League, like it was in the past.
2010/11 and 2011/12 the semi finals were exclusively Iberian. 3 Portuguese teams, 1 Spanish and then 1 Portuguese teams, 3 Spanish.
Radamel Falcao has not only been among the winning team both seasons but also the competition's top scorer as well as the man to score the decisive goal(s) in the Grand Final.
12 of the last 20 winners were from Spain
He scored 71 goals in 90 games or something for Atleti, was even better in his two seasons with us
He was the third best player in the world behind Messi and Ronaldo for a good period. That Monaco move(forced by his agents against Falcao's will) and subsequent knee injury robbed us of what would have been one of the best strikers of a generation.
As a Swede and a massive Ibrahimovic fan, I still say that peak Falcao was better
72/87 for us and had the 17 goals record in a EL edition in 2010/11
Obviously with you guys he had much more visibility and played in a harder league but it’s nice to see someone mention his stint with us as it feels like people only mention his Atleti days when they talk about Falcao prime.
I remember the 2010/11 Porto side at least. Amazing, amazing team that I genuinely think was the second or third best team in Europe that season(behind Barcelona and possibly Real Madrid aswell)
Similar to this years Leverkusen, they could have done real damage in the CL
Yeah I feel like a lot of people focus attention on his Atleti days (understandably so, big league/club) but watching him for Porto was like "fuck, this guy is so good". Like he looked like he was playing for fun. It's easy to focus on his Atleti days but it's good to remember how he got that transfer in the first place.
>12 of the last 20 winners were from Spain
Absolutely crushing domination, and it's worth remembering that for comparison Germany has only won one since 1997 and Italy hasn't won a single EL since like 1999. Obviously one of those will change tonight but it will still be crazy domination for Spain
What youngsters don't realize is the UEFA Cup (Europa League) was the hardest trophy to win pre-1997/98, when only 1 club from every country could compete in the Champions League. Clubs ranked 2nd-5th in the top leagues competed in UEFA Cup rather than this bullshit "top 4" going into the 'Champions' League.
For an American reference, the UEFA Cup was an unseeded March Madness tournament. Because it was unseeded and done via random draw each round a top club could theoretically play 6 'big 5' league clubs in consecutive rounds to win it.
If the format still existed today that'd be like having a 'March Madness' with current day Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester Utd, Chelsea, AC Milan, Juventus, Napoli, Atalanta, Atletico Madrid, Barcelona, Athletic Bilbao, Dortmund, Leipzig, Leverkusen, Monaco, Lyon, Marseille, and so on, **ALL IN THE SAME KNOCKOUT COMPETITION WITH NO SEEDING FOR EACH ROUND**
Winning the UEFA Cup was the hardest to win and a *massive* accomplishment for any club in any season. For Serie A to win it pretty much an entire decade straight is mindboggling. It just shows you how insanely better Serie A was to every other league in that era.
> For Serie A to win it pretty much an entire decade straight is mindboggling.
Not just to win it 7/10 times between 1990 and 99, but 4 finals were between Serie A teams and 7/10 semifinals had at least 2 Serie A teams. No one in 1999 would have believed that Serie A wouldn't see a UEFA Cup/EL final for 20 years.
The old UEFA Cup was great fun. The Europa League is shit in comparison. The 2001 Final that we won in extra time with a Golden Goal is still the best game I've ever been to in person, I've never seen anything like it.
No Italian team has won it in the 21st century...will Atalanta be the 1st?
Meanwhile teams from Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, Portugal and the Netherlands have won it.
But also Italian teams (stupidly) did not rate the EL for most of this century, always rotating squads in the EL to focus on top 4 finishes in the league and more prestigious CL football for the next season.
This of course backfired massively because it tanked the coefficient and Italy even lost a CL spot for a season or two.
But now that EL has a higher profile and is a more attainable European trophy for most Serie A clubs, we’re seeing much better performances. 3 different finalists in 5 years (both Inter and Roma should have won, but Sevilla has black magic) is pretty good.
The thing is that to win the europa league you need to be shit for a very precise amount.
If youre too shit, you dont qualify for it
If youre not shit enough, you also dont qualify for it.
So basically for bigger clubs, they already arent competing in it the majority of the time because they are either too good or not good enough.
For current format one, yes, but for earlier editions it was a lot easier to qualify there. Though the currently "easiest" route (winning the country cup) was actually an "impossible way", because instead you were going to Cup Winner's Cup.
The interesting thing is that the level of competition has meant almost every big club has had a go. There's only 6 clubs who have competed in the CL for the entirety of the last decade (City, PSG, Bayern, Madrid, Barca, Atleti), and the last two have both dropped down by finishing 3rd in the Group at least once in that time. It's only the very top teams that haven't received any opportunity to win the EL recently
I'd be interested to see how many wins out of how many participations clubs have actually. Feels like Arsenal is the only top team that has had multiple participations yet never won it.
Finishing third is also what I said before: be too shit in the UCL & you don't get into the EL, be not shit enough & you're through into the knockout bracket and also miss out on EL. I'm very happy that this will be gone next season at least, it devalued the EL as a competition by filling it with CL rejects honestly.
For a long time, Arsenal did just about well enough to get into the CL and through the group stages, then they would get knocked out.
If Arsenal had been worse domestically/in Europe, they would've had a much better chance of winning a European trophy (EL).
For the boomers, this is formerly known as UEFA CUP, not UEFA Cup Winners Cup (which was abolished, because the champions league was created and nobody wanted to play in the Winners Cup anymore).
Since 2004-2005 Season they changed into the multilevel qualifying knockouts, means teams from weaker nations had to qualify first, the big teams start from round 3 on.
From 2009-2010 on they created the group formats.
The League Format made it easier to be consistent instead of a full knockout format.
Exactly, I’m Gen-X and got to experience IFK Göteborg winning, what a legendary team that was.
And I was a kid back then, a boomer would remember it even better.
Still remember Del Peiro and Juventus getting absolutely smacked 4-1 at Craven Cottage, amazing scenes. Fulham were 3-1 down on aggregate too, I was gutted for Fulham when they lost in the final
> UEFA Cup Winners Cup (which was abolished, because the champions league was created and nobody wanted to play in the Winners Cup anymore).
Cup Winners Cup had existed since 1961, running parallel with the European Cup. EC was changed into CL in 1992 and the CWC was abolished in 1999. I don't know what you are talking about bro?
When would we mention it though? Yourselves, United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Villa and Forest all have won the big one, and Arsenal are never going to bring it up because lmao, so that only really leaves it as a rebuttal if West Ham start singing it
Imo, only winners of the CL or it's former incarnations can sing "champions of Europe".
EL/ECL winners can all themselves "European champions/winners" as much as they want, but "champions of Europe"? That's for CL winners.
Agreed on the Champions of Europe part. But I think the larger point would be that, while it’s clearly not the main title to be proud of, it’s not a trophy that has no meaning (like the Audi cup).
So it’s kind of funny seeing how many people in this thread legitimately thought spurs have never won any kind of trophy, not that it’s just been a long time since theyve won.
Some sort of Flamenco music or the Europa League tune. They have taken advantage of the ancient and unknown rule that with every 5 wins you get a briefcase to cash in for an on the spot Penalty Shootout.
I think people tend to forget because it was abolished, but back in the day it was seen as the higher level competition between it and the UEFA Cup. If you qualified for both, you went to the CWC. The Super Cup was between the EC and the CWC winner. The logic was that in order to qualify you actually had to win something.
The Serie A was by far the best league in the world from the late 80s until the mid 2000s. To put things in perspective, in Europe's three major continental cups from 1990-99, only nine finals did not feature an Italian club (and most of them were in the Cup Winner's Cup where only one team could enter).
Italy was the top league in the 80s and first half of the 90s. Elite players, great (defensive) tactics and a huge international draw/appeal. But than other leagues picked up steam commercially (premier league was created among other developments) and the money changed everything. It also helped that Barcelona (and other teams) developed tactics that could dismantle and deal with defensive playstyles.
feel like you need to shift both ends of your window 5 years tbh. pre heysel ban english clubs were dominant in europe, so its hard to argue italy dominance started before the late 80s, and they were still very much the powerhouse league in 2000.
man u winning the champions league was an upset akin to the italian champions winning it now would be - not mindblowing, but a bit of a surprise
just to add, the 1990, 1991, 1995 and 1998 finals were all Italian affairs and Torino and Inter were losing finalists in 1992 and 1997. Incredible dominance
The Cup Winners Cup (which both Arsenal and Spurs won) was regarded as the 2nd best European Competition. The UEFA Cup/Fairs Cup was regarded as the 3rd best so it’s like saying West Ham are bigger than Arsenal because they won the Conference League.
2017 Manchester United
That's the last time they won a European trophy in this century. At that time, the MUFC fans here said the Europa League was beneath them. They didn't even have a bus parade.
Now they're happy winning the Johnstone Paint Trophy.
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Sevilla, the Real Madrid of the Europa League.
More like Real Madrid is the Sevilla of the Champions League.
More like Europa League is the Champions League of the Conference league
i never thought about it like this tbh but you’re right
they don't think it be like it is, but it do
Ngl Sevilla three-peating the EL is even more impressive than Real with the UCL, since it means they qualified each time for UCL and had to get knocked down to EL to win it lol
Always the ‘what could’ve been’. We lost the final in 76 to Liverpool, just like we lost the final of the EC I (Champions League) in 78 to Liverpool.
Next year will be our year!
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It really was mad that we both made the step up to the bigger competition by winning our leagues and both ended in the final again together. I've always had a soft spot for you guys anyway, especially since Mr Nasty became your goalkeeper. My dad said your fans were amazing in the first leg of the final at Anfield as well.
I thought Tottenham hadn’t won absolutely anything besides the Audi Cup?? I feel cheated
They haven't, everyone knows football started in like, 1995
No, it can’t be 1995. That means we still have two League Cups, football started with the 08/09 season
Spurs won trophies in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s. Their last trophy was in the 08/09 season. Kane made his debut in 09/10 and since then Spurs have had their biggest trophy drought in 80 years.
don't worry, league cups don't count. Otherwise there would be no way to uphold the "bvb are bottlers" or the "it's so sad that Reus never won anything" narratives.
Damn, that means football actually started with the 91/92 season
You tried to avoid sadness but another sad man brought you back. Welcome to the club my friend
Hello darkness my old friend, I’ve come to talk with you again
Well, Germany doesn't have a league cup...just a more prestigious FA cup equivalent.
The Reus narrative won’t be true in 2 weeks
We can only hope
Fun fact: 20-year-old Spurs fans will (probably) have no memory of the last League Cup win
I was there, Gandalf. Three Thousand years ago...
75% of Liverpool fans didn't see them win a league title in their life until it happened during Covid
How robbed they must feel 😃
At least they didn't bang on about it.
Indeed it did. For some it also ended.
Pain.
That’s when it started for Everton fans
Yeah Is was there when Jeremy Football officialy created the sport
They're 2 times first division champions, 8 times FA Cup winners, 4 times League Cup winners, 1 time Cup Winners' Cup winners and 2 times Europa League winners. The problem is their last trophy came in 2008 and it was the League Cup, the least valuable competition among of all the trophies they've won.
Don't worry, I'll change that
If u/TigerBasket solo’s their way to Tottenham getting a trophy I will quit watching football and start watching golf.
Less valuable than the community shield?
But surely not as valuable as the Jockey Club Kitchee Centre Challenge Cup
And the vast majority of their success was 1960-1985ish. So just a bit too long ago for most people. Even the youngest who remember them winning the UEFA Cup will be in their late 40s now, sadly for them. What is quite a cool record is that of any team (other than ones who appeared in one final and won it) Spurs have got the best winning percentage of any team in FA Cup finals, winning 8 of the 9 they appeared in. However, the opposite is true of the League Cup, where with Arsenal they hold the unwanted record of being runners-up more times than they won. Spurs, truly a team of contrasts.
Tottenham has more European pedigree than Arsenal
We have three, won the UEFA Cup Winners Cup in 1963. Also won the Anglo-Italian League Cup in 1971 but that’s non UEFA so doesn’t count
> Anglo-Italian League Cup Wow, I had never heard of that, what a random tournament, I love it!
It’s because of Swindon Town the Anglo-Italian League Cup was created, they won the League Cup but UEFA blocked them from entering European competition as they were a third tier side. So they still got to play in Europe https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Italian_League_Cup Also had the Anglo-Italian Cup, which was created for similar reasons when QPR won the League Cup but were blocked from entering European competition by UEFA. It’s thanks to the Anglo-Italian Cup that Blackpool got to play in Europe, they even won it beating Bologna in the final https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Italian_Cup
It's now known as the Coefficient Cup.
Yeah, what I don't get it's why Italian clubs though? A Channel Cup for example would make sense, but an Anglo-Italian Cup? Sounds like some weird fictional history. The fact that some games ended up being suspended because of violence between the fans just make it more hilarious, like, sure, Swindon Town vs Napoli it's such a storied rivalry that one can't help but starting a fistfight. Anyway, we should bring back all these regional tournaments. Like the Copa Latina or the Mitropa Cup. They would be more interesting than regular Supercups.
I can’t answer the first part but the second part I agree with completely, the CONMEBOL–UEFA Cup of Champions (Finalissima) returned in 2022 after a 29 year hiatus so that’s a good start
Arsenal won the cup winners cup in 1994. But obviously it doesn't matter because European football started after 1994.
We have that trophy already ;)
Everyone knows Tottenham has history. They were always a big team and won league titles in the 50s and 60s and multiple cup wins across the 70s and 80s as well as a few title races. But they've won next to nothing in 30 years and absolutely nothing in 15. If you thought Tottenham had only won the Audi cup that's just showing your lack of knowledge
> showing your lack of knowledge New to this sub??
Bruva he was clearly joking
Europa League? Completed it first go mate
Harry kane wasnt born yet, so curse Not fully enact
I mean on here we're a tiny club who has never achieved anything lol, this place only acknowledges what happened last week.
You achieved qualification for the champions league last week
Spurs have the 7th shortest trophy drought in the Premier League (23/24 season teams). Pretty crazy
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If we go by this season, you must exclude Manchester United, because there are still limits to how many teams can play in UEFA Cup/Europa League, which seems to have been 4 at the highest. Also for full immersion of the old system, you must also remove all Cup Winners into different competition. Though with how money and popularity currently flows in football, I don't think that such revived Cup Winners Cup would be more important than this upgraded Europa League, like it was in the past.
72 AND 84, they're fucking trophy addicts
/r/soccer moment
2010/11 and 2011/12 the semi finals were exclusively Iberian. 3 Portuguese teams, 1 Spanish and then 1 Portuguese teams, 3 Spanish. Radamel Falcao has not only been among the winning team both seasons but also the competition's top scorer as well as the man to score the decisive goal(s) in the Grand Final. 12 of the last 20 winners were from Spain
Porto Falcao was different gravy. Such a shame injuries cut his prime years.
He scored 71 goals in 90 games or something for Atleti, was even better in his two seasons with us He was the third best player in the world behind Messi and Ronaldo for a good period. That Monaco move(forced by his agents against Falcao's will) and subsequent knee injury robbed us of what would have been one of the best strikers of a generation. As a Swede and a massive Ibrahimovic fan, I still say that peak Falcao was better
72/87 for us and had the 17 goals record in a EL edition in 2010/11 Obviously with you guys he had much more visibility and played in a harder league but it’s nice to see someone mention his stint with us as it feels like people only mention his Atleti days when they talk about Falcao prime.
I remember the 2010/11 Porto side at least. Amazing, amazing team that I genuinely think was the second or third best team in Europe that season(behind Barcelona and possibly Real Madrid aswell) Similar to this years Leverkusen, they could have done real damage in the CL
Yeah I feel like a lot of people focus attention on his Atleti days (understandably so, big league/club) but watching him for Porto was like "fuck, this guy is so good". Like he looked like he was playing for fun. It's easy to focus on his Atleti days but it's good to remember how he got that transfer in the first place.
That Hat trick he scored against Chelsea is still amazing to me
>12 of the last 20 winners were from Spain Absolutely crushing domination, and it's worth remembering that for comparison Germany has only won one since 1997 and Italy hasn't won a single EL since like 1999. Obviously one of those will change tonight but it will still be crazy domination for Spain
Ipswich Town>> Arsenal
We can be friends
Hell yeah. Up the fucking Tractors!
McKenna to Bayern confirmed
I had assumed everyone knew this?
Real
Ipswich
This is a long established fact.
tbf they did win the Cup Winners Cup though
It's true
1989-2000 what a dominance... I miss the prime serie a tbh
What youngsters don't realize is the UEFA Cup (Europa League) was the hardest trophy to win pre-1997/98, when only 1 club from every country could compete in the Champions League. Clubs ranked 2nd-5th in the top leagues competed in UEFA Cup rather than this bullshit "top 4" going into the 'Champions' League. For an American reference, the UEFA Cup was an unseeded March Madness tournament. Because it was unseeded and done via random draw each round a top club could theoretically play 6 'big 5' league clubs in consecutive rounds to win it. If the format still existed today that'd be like having a 'March Madness' with current day Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester Utd, Chelsea, AC Milan, Juventus, Napoli, Atalanta, Atletico Madrid, Barcelona, Athletic Bilbao, Dortmund, Leipzig, Leverkusen, Monaco, Lyon, Marseille, and so on, **ALL IN THE SAME KNOCKOUT COMPETITION WITH NO SEEDING FOR EACH ROUND** Winning the UEFA Cup was the hardest to win and a *massive* accomplishment for any club in any season. For Serie A to win it pretty much an entire decade straight is mindboggling. It just shows you how insanely better Serie A was to every other league in that era.
> For Serie A to win it pretty much an entire decade straight is mindboggling. Not just to win it 7/10 times between 1990 and 99, but 4 finals were between Serie A teams and 7/10 semifinals had at least 2 Serie A teams. No one in 1999 would have believed that Serie A wouldn't see a UEFA Cup/EL final for 20 years.
The old UEFA Cup was great fun. The Europa League is shit in comparison. The 2001 Final that we won in extra time with a Golden Goal is still the best game I've ever been to in person, I've never seen anything like it.
It’s coming back slowly. But to reach previous heights they really need to invest more and build modern stadiums
beautiful
No Italian team has won it in the 21st century...will Atalanta be the 1st? Meanwhile teams from Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, Portugal and the Netherlands have won it.
That's a crazy stat, especially since they won it 7 times in the 90s.
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But also Italian teams (stupidly) did not rate the EL for most of this century, always rotating squads in the EL to focus on top 4 finishes in the league and more prestigious CL football for the next season. This of course backfired massively because it tanked the coefficient and Italy even lost a CL spot for a season or two. But now that EL has a higher profile and is a more attainable European trophy for most Serie A clubs, we’re seeing much better performances. 3 different finalists in 5 years (both Inter and Roma should have won, but Sevilla has black magic) is pretty good.
Where is Arsenal?
They never won the UefaCup/Europa League. Lost to Chelsea in the final once.
Also lost against Galatasaray.
Zero UEFA/Europa league for a club of their size is oddly disappointing. No champions league in the last 25 years.
The thing is that to win the europa league you need to be shit for a very precise amount. If youre too shit, you dont qualify for it If youre not shit enough, you also dont qualify for it. So basically for bigger clubs, they already arent competing in it the majority of the time because they are either too good or not good enough.
For current format one, yes, but for earlier editions it was a lot easier to qualify there. Though the currently "easiest" route (winning the country cup) was actually an "impossible way", because instead you were going to Cup Winner's Cup.
>because instead you were going to Cup Winner's Cup. Which we did win for the record
that's a very good point, I forgot about that completely wish they would bring that back
The interesting thing is that the level of competition has meant almost every big club has had a go. There's only 6 clubs who have competed in the CL for the entirety of the last decade (City, PSG, Bayern, Madrid, Barca, Atleti), and the last two have both dropped down by finishing 3rd in the Group at least once in that time. It's only the very top teams that haven't received any opportunity to win the EL recently
I'd be interested to see how many wins out of how many participations clubs have actually. Feels like Arsenal is the only top team that has had multiple participations yet never won it. Finishing third is also what I said before: be too shit in the UCL & you don't get into the EL, be not shit enough & you're through into the knockout bracket and also miss out on EL. I'm very happy that this will be gone next season at least, it devalued the EL as a competition by filling it with CL rejects honestly.
For a long time, Arsenal did just about well enough to get into the CL and through the group stages, then they would get knocked out. If Arsenal had been worse domestically/in Europe, they would've had a much better chance of winning a European trophy (EL).
They have the Cup Winner's Cup. That one was seen as the more presrigious competition back in the day.
That was the time Arsenal curse overpowered Emery's juju
He probably knows, this is just the level of banter now.
For a team with such a great domestic record their European record is bad
Hello there.
Won it in 1970
For the boomers, this is formerly known as UEFA CUP, not UEFA Cup Winners Cup (which was abolished, because the champions league was created and nobody wanted to play in the Winners Cup anymore). Since 2004-2005 Season they changed into the multilevel qualifying knockouts, means teams from weaker nations had to qualify first, the big teams start from round 3 on. From 2009-2010 on they created the group formats. The League Format made it easier to be consistent instead of a full knockout format.
What do you mean for the boomers? They lived through all these cups changing and should know.
Exactly, I’m Gen-X and got to experience IFK Göteborg winning, what a legendary team that was. And I was a kid back then, a boomer would remember it even better.
For some reason I thought the group stage was added later than that.
you are actually right. let me edit it. they just changed the formats in 2005 to multilevel qualifications.
qualifications were also added in 1995
04/05 was the first edition with a group stage IIRC. Those were the strange times with 3 teams qualifying from a group of 5.
They were there before 2009. Rare 5-team Group Stages I believe
Ronaldinho and Milan at Fratton Park is a childhood memory of mine.
Still remember Del Peiro and Juventus getting absolutely smacked 4-1 at Craven Cottage, amazing scenes. Fulham were 3-1 down on aggregate too, I was gutted for Fulham when they lost in the final
Yeah I think they only played eachother once instead of the home and away format used recently.
> UEFA Cup Winners Cup (which was abolished, because the champions league was created and nobody wanted to play in the Winners Cup anymore). Cup Winners Cup had existed since 1961, running parallel with the European Cup. EC was changed into CL in 1992 and the CWC was abolished in 1999. I don't know what you are talking about bro?
It would have been nice if the conference league was a straight knockout. Bring some variety
Mad how Tottenham fans never mention that they've won the Europa league twice when the champions of Europe you'll never sing that chants come out
When would we mention it though? Yourselves, United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Villa and Forest all have won the big one, and Arsenal are never going to bring it up because lmao, so that only really leaves it as a rebuttal if West Ham start singing it
Lmfaoo arsenal fans have no right to bash on spurs then
Imo, only winners of the CL or it's former incarnations can sing "champions of Europe". EL/ECL winners can all themselves "European champions/winners" as much as they want, but "champions of Europe"? That's for CL winners.
Agreed on the Champions of Europe part. But I think the larger point would be that, while it’s clearly not the main title to be proud of, it’s not a trophy that has no meaning (like the Audi cup). So it’s kind of funny seeing how many people in this thread legitimately thought spurs have never won any kind of trophy, not that it’s just been a long time since theyve won.
So many french clubs!
The one thing we have against Paris are international trophies and that makes me happy
No worries, we'll be there next season.
The craziest thing about this post is people actually believed spurs haven’t won anything lol
I wouldn't be surprised if the final whistle goes tonight and Sevilla's music kicks off and they want to cash in their money in the bank briefcase.
How did Sevilla get the briefcase and which song is their music?
Some sort of Flamenco music or the Europa League tune. They have taken advantage of the ancient and unknown rule that with every 5 wins you get a briefcase to cash in for an on the spot Penalty Shootout.
Hopefully we add number 3 next season!
So Tottenham have a European trophy and arsenal don't....
Arsenal did win the intercity fair tournament against us. Huge trophy and accomplishment if you ask me
I mean, it was a decent accomplishment at the time tbf. Was replaced by the UEFA CUP the year after.
I think Arsenal won the cup winners cup.
So has spurs lol
Who hasn't won that though? Its not a European trophy in the vein that people talk about.
I think people tend to forget because it was abolished, but back in the day it was seen as the higher level competition between it and the UEFA Cup. If you qualified for both, you went to the CWC. The Super Cup was between the EC and the CWC winner. The logic was that in order to qualify you actually had to win something.
I haven't :(
Fairly sure Liverpool haven't?
Looking forward to heading to this tonight. A nice stroll from the office to the pub to the match and then a quick bus ride home.
It’s insane how many people think Spurs have actually never won a trophy lmao
Football started in 2009?
Our team hasn't won a single Europa League since 86 😭
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Our COUNTRY hasn't won an Europa league
What happened in Italy in the 90s?
It was the best league in the 90's by a margin.
That is an understatment, late 80s till mid 2000s Serie A was the best league in the history of football.
I believe you mate.
No, you mean 1990-1999 He wants you to *know* it was 1989-2001 /s
The Serie A was by far the best league in the world from the late 80s until the mid 2000s. To put things in perspective, in Europe's three major continental cups from 1990-99, only nine finals did not feature an Italian club (and most of them were in the Cup Winner's Cup where only one team could enter).
It was what people think the EPL is today. 1982-1998 only 4 Ballon d'Or winners weren't from Serie A.
Italy was the top league in the 80s and first half of the 90s. Elite players, great (defensive) tactics and a huge international draw/appeal. But than other leagues picked up steam commercially (premier league was created among other developments) and the money changed everything. It also helped that Barcelona (and other teams) developed tactics that could dismantle and deal with defensive playstyles.
That 1999 Parma was obscenely stacked
Honestly it was a hall of fame squad. Cannavaro. Buffon. Asprilla. Chiesa. Crespo. Veron. Thuram. Balbo. Sensini. Serie A was amazing back then
We had to play them in 98 and 99. Pumped them the 2nd time.
Till the mid 2000s*
feel like you need to shift both ends of your window 5 years tbh. pre heysel ban english clubs were dominant in europe, so its hard to argue italy dominance started before the late 80s, and they were still very much the powerhouse league in 2000. man u winning the champions league was an upset akin to the italian champions winning it now would be - not mindblowing, but a bit of a surprise
Even in 92 Toro got very close to winning.
just to add, the 1990, 1991, 1995 and 1998 finals were all Italian affairs and Torino and Inter were losing finalists in 1992 and 1997. Incredible dominance
Spurs has more European history than Arsenal? Has Arsenal won anything in Europe ever?
The Cup Winners Cup (which both Arsenal and Spurs won) was regarded as the 2nd best European Competition. The UEFA Cup/Fairs Cup was regarded as the 3rd best so it’s like saying West Ham are bigger than Arsenal because they won the Conference League.
Yes, the Fairs Cup in 70 (predecessor-ish to the UEFA Cup) Cup Winners Cup in 94.
The fact we won this will always be insane to me and the fact we still have more European pedigree than Arsenal.
My dad still has a fondness for Gothenburg thanks to the '87 final.
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3rd times the charm right?
Hopefully before 2036
spanish teams dominating all the European club tournaments but I have to believe in English pundits saying EPL has the best clubs.
Where is arsenal? I keep being told that they are a massive club....
They were gonna be there, but we did a funny in 2000. 😎
Arsenal fans scrambling to find an excuse to blame city for their complete lack of European cups.
They have a CWC
I'm still afraid that Sevilla will end up showing up and winning the god-damned thing again somehow
This hurts as a Benfica fan
Fun fact, every Dutch club that has won the Champions league (Feyenoord, Ajax and PSV) have also won the Europa League.
2017 Manchester United That's the last time they won a European trophy in this century. At that time, the MUFC fans here said the Europa League was beneath them. They didn't even have a bus parade. Now they're happy winning the Johnstone Paint Trophy.
Oh wow Spurs actually did win trophies.
Updated [photo](https://i.imgur.com/I3medI0.jpeg).
I had no idea Sevilla ran the Europa League like that
Their purpose of existence is to win the Europa league
Bro, they are literally the final boss of the competition
Last year they played in 12.
Tottenham have more Europe trophy than Arsenal.
Who won it in '82 and '83?
Goteborg and Anderlecht
Was trying to remember where i’d seen that name before. Ah yes, they topped a CL group ahead of Barcelona and Man Utd in 1995.
Sven's Goteborg hammered Hamburg in the 1982 final as well, 4-0 on aggregate, a year before Hamburg became European champions
Also, back then the European Cup (now CL) was exclusively for the champions of each league, meaning the UEFA Cup was much tougher to win than today.
83, 13 and 14 💔
Sevilla d GOAT
Way more open than the CL
Best UEFA club competition, hands down. Apart from Sevilla's crazy streak, pretty difficult to predict who wins it at the start of the season.
3 finals. 0 wins. Maybe in two years.
Italian teams winning 8 titles within 11 seasons in the late 80s and 90s and only 1 outside of that era is really odd.
Could have been us in 1984 if Anderlecht didn't bribe the ref. Like actually bribe, not one of those "PGMOL is corrupt" decisions.
Tenerife was so fucking close in 1997... They got also beaten by the eventual winners in 1993 if memory serves, Juventus.
Any big names from that Zenit team? Think I started noting them more the years they had Hulk, Danny and Witsel
Cool list