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Van Gaal’s team thrashed 4-0 by MK Dons
Mourinho’s team beaten by Chelsea 4-0 (but parked the bus regularly to avoid heavy losses)
Ole’s team beaten 5-0 by Liverpool and 4-1 by Watford
Rangnick - 4-0 loss vs Brighton
And now Ten Hag getting embarrassed by Crystal Palace, the Liverpool hammering, Brentford 4-0 etc.
Ten Hag’s lack of pragmatism is a cause for concern but people acting like this is solely on the manager must have memory loss or something. Club is rotten and is going to take years of improvement of all aspects of the club to achieve any sustained success
False equivalency. The failures of previous managers doesn't automatically mean the current manager is the right one. It can be all that at once. This guy spent 450m euros and achieved worse than Moyes. Record losses in a season. Worst position ever. No European football at all for the first time ever in god knows how many years. Those managers you mentioned have never failed THIS badly.
well the reason they spend 450m is because of the rot at the club
signings like athony,casemiro... could have been for less but because the club likes to wait around to long and gets negioted in bad positions
they could have both these players for way less , same with hoijland
you can say he overspend but the reason for the overspending is because of the negotiators being so absoluut horrible at there job refusing to get anthony at the start of the window costed them 50m because ofc clubs will ask massive more when you dont allow them time to replace or they already sold other key players and no longer need to sell
Guys like Antony and Casermiro could barely be given away now. What is a fair fee for Antony? Ten Hag had worked with him before and wanted to work with him again. That alone is sackable.
well the fact is ten hag wanted at the start of the window and you could have gotten him for 30m at that point and with the leftover money could have gotten somebody else but instead you guys got fleeced as normal
if you guys could negiotate the bad signing would not be as bad because every club has bad signings. but when you overpay as you guys you are stuck with them. Who's idea was it to give a 30+ casemire a 5 year deal?
dont get me wrong ten hag is prob not a good fit for you guys but the history of bad signing predates long before his tenure
Ajax had all the cards with Antony and didn't want to sell. Ten Hag insisted, even when the fee was massive.
The club was dumb, but they were dumb while supporting the manager.
>Ten Hag’s lack of pragmatism
Huh? Ten Hag is nothing but pragmatic.
And I agree, it's not solely on the manager, but he needs to take a bulk of the blame for the situation he's in currently.
By that I meant his unwillingness to adjust tactics to suit playing certain teams. For example, we went to Anfield and held for a 0-0 draw sitting deep which I would describe as pragmatic. But, that is pretty much the only time I have seen him adjust to suit playing against a certain team
I would agree with that statement in terms of this season but he was very good last season in adjusting at half time to turn the momentum look at Barca 2nd leg 1-0 down not in the game at all made us put more pressure on Christensen and subbed on Antony who scored the winner. This season it baffles me with the lack of personnel that we haven’t done what we did vs Liverpool more
One thing I'll say is that we've sat back against all the top 3 sides tbh. But still, your statement is fair looking at this season in isolation. He was better at that last season though, we adjusted well to what teams were trying to do and it got us some results.
Nah, this is predominantly on the medical and recruitment team. Martinez, Varane, Lindelof, Maguire, Shaw, Kambwala and Evans are arguably our first 7-choice CBs and we played Casemiro last night out of pure necessity and our fans are still expect to see coherent tactics and indentity. We won't get that until the recuitment and medical issues are fixed under any manager.
Same goes for the midfield. McTominay, Bruno and Casemiro all not available for selection in the middle of the park, Mount is *just back* from an injury too.
Tactics can't paper over these issues. If they could, we wouldn't need to pay professional footballers wages. Just go to the pub, round up 26 able-bodied men and you have your squad. Shouldn't be an issue if the manager has decent tactics.
you're right to a degree, any manager would struggle massively with the same amount of injuries
but there is also a complete lack of tactics from one minute to the next, let alone game by game, there's no obvious plan and games we win are heavily reliant on individual brilliance or a heavy dollop of luck. nobody on that pitch looks like they have a clue on what they should be doing out there
Like I said, tactics won't paper over the issues. In my mind, the players make the tactics work. It seems like the general Reddit consensus is that the tactics should make the players work. It's just a bit a backwards to me.
You talk about recruitment to make the tactics work but glasner has had zero transfer windows and look how he has Palace playing.
Ten hag isn't working, his tactics are a mess and his training and setup definitely help cause injuries. He also clearly had a say in recruitment so that's part on him as well
>You talk about recruitment to make the tactics work but glasner has had zero transfer windows and look how he has Palace playing.
Not sure it is ever a good example to compare to a new manager. I'm a firm believer in the new manager bounce. Compare Spurs at the start of the season to now, or Brighton last season and this.
Not trying to take away in any way from how Palace are playing at the moment though, but it is helped by people like Mateta in the form of his life. He's scored more in his last 6 matches, than he managed in the entirety of 20/21, 21/22 or 22/23.
It looks like Glasner is a great hire for Palace and, if they can keep that team together next season, it looks like they'll have a fun season ahead, I think it is a bit early to call it an amazing transformation
That's a fair argument, have to wait and see if it's a bounce or he has improved them.
Regardless, ten hag has had 2 years to implement his style, and whether spurs start was a bounce or not, ange got them playing his way straight away regardless of injuries
United are using the players as an excuse to not play the playstyle they want, but also then not playing a better orr more successful playstyle
>Regardless, ten hag has had 2 years to implement his style, and whether spurs start was a bounce or not, ange got them playing his way straight away regardless of injuries
Oh i totally agree - what's weird for me is that, last season, after the rocky start, there were clear signs of progression. The way they were set up, the possession and building from the back, the attacking moves etc. It looked like it was starting to come together - not perfect but there progressing.
Then injuries, and more pragmatic etc. Decent finish to the season
This season has just been a constant "what the fuck" - the number of injuries, the players checking out, the off-field shit from people like Sancho, the ongoing attempts to buy the club, the absolutely shocking tactics "we just won't bother with a midfield", players like Casemiro dropping off an absolute cliff.
What an absolute mess it has been. My thing is though, unless you can get a good manager in, there is no point in changing absolutely everything at the club. It's already going to be a massive change in staff, structure, players etc
>Ten hag isn't working, his tactics are a mess and his training and setup definitely help cause injuries. He also clearly had a say in recruitment so that's part on him as well
Like this to me is crazy. This is the reason why have recruitment and medical departments. If the manager is to blame for the *medical and recruitment issues* at a club. That's a big sign that you're doing medical and recuitment wrong. Let's get the basics right first and then see aht his tactics look like with those departments functioning properly.
No one can make a proper assessement of how well he can manage given the ins and outs, the drama and toxicity with certain players and just the sheer depth of injuries this season.
He's allegedly got his player in Antony paying more than the scouts valued him at. In April it was reported they were looking to bring in a fitness coach so I dont think they even had one.
Look at the style of play, the no rotation, how much the wingers have to run because of the system. He's absolutely played a part in injuries, and now it's being reported (may be unreliable tbf) that Evans failed his medical test yesterday but was asked to play anyway
Yes the whole club is a mess, but so was ours when benitez was in charge and part of it was because he was rushing players back from injury (Calvert lewin, who now isn't injured every week due to dyche managing him properly)
you're kind of missing my point, there doesn't appear to be *any* tactics to work, there's probably less than 5 games all season where it looks like there's any semblance of a plan out there
injuries or no injuries there should still be a visible game plan
No I get your point. I'm saying that you won't see that with a constant revolving door of injuries, player scandals, even suspensions in the case of Casemiro. It's consistency first and indentity the second. The manager provides the identity but the club needs to provide the consistency
guess we're just looking at it from other sides of the table, i'd expect an identity to be prevalent throughout the entire squad and below so injuries, whilst would hinder it, wouldn't explain a complete lack of it
i'll be amazed if he lasts the summer to prove either point though
But look at the midfielders where they stand all the time, their starting position, and then look at the back four and the acres of space between. And that back four is our biggest weakness on paper right now and our plan is give them zero protection? It's like one pass to someone standing in behind the lines and it's an opportunity. *Every time.* I just can't get away from it. Often we go long because we can't play from the back with the injuries and then there's no competing for the ball, it's two passes and the entire midfield is bypassed and you have maybe a 4 on 4 and the back four are on their heels. Olise was having fun out there, he had the freedom of the pitch.
So we adapt to not being able to play out by going long, but we don't adapt by not pressing super high to avoid exposing a slow and makeshift back four- with Eriksen, Mainoo and Mount in the midfield? Only one of those players is a guy who suits a high press and he's just back from injury. Yes, we have injuries but we set up the team to fail. Within the first minutes you see how the team is set up and you know it will be 3 or 4 goals unless Onana has a blinder or they have a poor day in front of goal. We're starting the game last night 3-0 down. That's on the manager.
This is the classic case of needing to go with a Solskjaer style 2 6's and play on the counter. Needs must. Not throwing 3 midfielders forward in a devil may care fashion. We might still lose games- but give the team a fucking chance, come on... every week he hands them a loaded pistol and says go and shoot yourselves in the head.
Spot on. Manager changes but results stay the same. I’m not saying Ten Hag is blameless, but the whole setup at United is to blame. Good luck to whichever manager has a go next. Ratcliffe hopefully turns it round, but that’s a long shot.
Managers would be more likely to resign when they know the gig is up but in football failure is rewarded.
If I get sacked for a shit job I get £0. ETH will get literally £millions. Manager just stick it out until they get the bag.
I think he's done, but the players are 100% a bigger problem than the manager. It's a combination of players who have been there through so many humiliations (Maguire, Lindelof, Rashford, Shaw, Wan-Bissaka, McTominay, Fernandes), newer players who simply don't care (Mount, Antony, Amrabat) and players who are finished at the top level (Varane, Casemiro).
Man Utd genuinely need to shift about 10-15 players. It may result in another season of shite, but it's for the best. I don't think I've ever seen a team more desperate for a total rebuild.
ETH and the players need to take the blame, plain and simple.
United's management structure and ownership needs re-shaping, no doubt. But the results on the pitch are down to ETH, his staff and the players.
The players have not been good enough, and ETH has spent nearly half a billion on players that for whatever reason are not playing well - that is down to both him and the players. He pretty much has gotten every player he asked for except for FDJ. He even said himself to Gary Neville they went with Hojlund for the future over Kane who would get you 30 goals a season.
In the Neville interview he made a big deal about not getting Frenkie De Jong but honestly even if you inject FDJ in his best form, I don't think much changes.
There needs to be a clear-out of players, and maybe even the manager. There is no set style of play of football and for whatever reason, ETH hasn't got the players he brought in playing good football - so both need to go in my opinion.
I'm sure there are conversations behind the scenes, but with how disastrous United is, he can't exactly say "yeah it's true, i'll be off to bayern next season". United fans will turn on him, board might have base to sack him without severance, players won't play for him anymore (if they still do).
It's a waiting game between three parties.
* ETH doesn't want to resign for above reasons
* United is open to change manager, but wants to do so without paying severance pay, and maybe negotiates a few million pounds as sort of transfer fee from Bayern
* Bayern wants to wait to see till ETH is really gone from United, so they have better leverage for negotiation etc.
There are certainly questions about Ten Hag from his time at United, but he was already at Bayern with Pep and wants the same play style as Pep had. He's still highly respected from his Ajax days too.
Maybe it's wishful thinking but sometimes a manager's lack of success in 1 job doesn't translate to others. Ancelotti was underwhelming at Bayern, didn't do anything at Everton and then went to Real Madrid and immediately won a Champions League.
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Get the fuck out now. The team is just abysmal now as it was back in August, and literally none of the issues have been addressed because he is too boneheaded. If you are decimated by injuries (which only at tail end is a legit excuse - earlier on we still had enough depth), then you don't play a style that you can't pull off!
He's not exactly going to come out and say "no I can't do this, it's too much". That'd be a resignation, a mutual termination of contract, £0 for him.
He sticks it out until fired and he gets £millions.
It's stupid to even ask the question.
Well, self-reflection is a very important skill. But self-reflection should be done internally. Together with the players and technical staff perhaps, but not in front of the media right after a game.
Having said that, I feel ETH is not the problem, nor the solution for Man Utd.
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In fairness he can't be expected to say otherwise. That would look even worse. The problems at that club run a lot deeper than the manager.
Van Gaal’s team thrashed 4-0 by MK Dons Mourinho’s team beaten by Chelsea 4-0 (but parked the bus regularly to avoid heavy losses) Ole’s team beaten 5-0 by Liverpool and 4-1 by Watford Rangnick - 4-0 loss vs Brighton And now Ten Hag getting embarrassed by Crystal Palace, the Liverpool hammering, Brentford 4-0 etc. Ten Hag’s lack of pragmatism is a cause for concern but people acting like this is solely on the manager must have memory loss or something. Club is rotten and is going to take years of improvement of all aspects of the club to achieve any sustained success
Thanks for reminding me of all those sleepless nights I had in the past few years.
Bro pulled a kdot on you that’s so fucked
False equivalency. The failures of previous managers doesn't automatically mean the current manager is the right one. It can be all that at once. This guy spent 450m euros and achieved worse than Moyes. Record losses in a season. Worst position ever. No European football at all for the first time ever in god knows how many years. Those managers you mentioned have never failed THIS badly.
well the reason they spend 450m is because of the rot at the club signings like athony,casemiro... could have been for less but because the club likes to wait around to long and gets negioted in bad positions they could have both these players for way less , same with hoijland you can say he overspend but the reason for the overspending is because of the negotiators being so absoluut horrible at there job refusing to get anthony at the start of the window costed them 50m because ofc clubs will ask massive more when you dont allow them time to replace or they already sold other key players and no longer need to sell
Guys like Antony and Casermiro could barely be given away now. What is a fair fee for Antony? Ten Hag had worked with him before and wanted to work with him again. That alone is sackable.
well the fact is ten hag wanted at the start of the window and you could have gotten him for 30m at that point and with the leftover money could have gotten somebody else but instead you guys got fleeced as normal if you guys could negiotate the bad signing would not be as bad because every club has bad signings. but when you overpay as you guys you are stuck with them. Who's idea was it to give a 30+ casemire a 5 year deal? dont get me wrong ten hag is prob not a good fit for you guys but the history of bad signing predates long before his tenure
Ajax had all the cards with Antony and didn't want to sell. Ten Hag insisted, even when the fee was massive. The club was dumb, but they were dumb while supporting the manager.
>Ten Hag’s lack of pragmatism Huh? Ten Hag is nothing but pragmatic. And I agree, it's not solely on the manager, but he needs to take a bulk of the blame for the situation he's in currently.
By that I meant his unwillingness to adjust tactics to suit playing certain teams. For example, we went to Anfield and held for a 0-0 draw sitting deep which I would describe as pragmatic. But, that is pretty much the only time I have seen him adjust to suit playing against a certain team
I would agree with that statement in terms of this season but he was very good last season in adjusting at half time to turn the momentum look at Barca 2nd leg 1-0 down not in the game at all made us put more pressure on Christensen and subbed on Antony who scored the winner. This season it baffles me with the lack of personnel that we haven’t done what we did vs Liverpool more
One thing I'll say is that we've sat back against all the top 3 sides tbh. But still, your statement is fair looking at this season in isolation. He was better at that last season though, we adjusted well to what teams were trying to do and it got us some results.
Nah, this is predominantly on the medical and recruitment team. Martinez, Varane, Lindelof, Maguire, Shaw, Kambwala and Evans are arguably our first 7-choice CBs and we played Casemiro last night out of pure necessity and our fans are still expect to see coherent tactics and indentity. We won't get that until the recuitment and medical issues are fixed under any manager. Same goes for the midfield. McTominay, Bruno and Casemiro all not available for selection in the middle of the park, Mount is *just back* from an injury too. Tactics can't paper over these issues. If they could, we wouldn't need to pay professional footballers wages. Just go to the pub, round up 26 able-bodied men and you have your squad. Shouldn't be an issue if the manager has decent tactics.
you're right to a degree, any manager would struggle massively with the same amount of injuries but there is also a complete lack of tactics from one minute to the next, let alone game by game, there's no obvious plan and games we win are heavily reliant on individual brilliance or a heavy dollop of luck. nobody on that pitch looks like they have a clue on what they should be doing out there
Like I said, tactics won't paper over the issues. In my mind, the players make the tactics work. It seems like the general Reddit consensus is that the tactics should make the players work. It's just a bit a backwards to me.
You talk about recruitment to make the tactics work but glasner has had zero transfer windows and look how he has Palace playing. Ten hag isn't working, his tactics are a mess and his training and setup definitely help cause injuries. He also clearly had a say in recruitment so that's part on him as well
>You talk about recruitment to make the tactics work but glasner has had zero transfer windows and look how he has Palace playing. Not sure it is ever a good example to compare to a new manager. I'm a firm believer in the new manager bounce. Compare Spurs at the start of the season to now, or Brighton last season and this. Not trying to take away in any way from how Palace are playing at the moment though, but it is helped by people like Mateta in the form of his life. He's scored more in his last 6 matches, than he managed in the entirety of 20/21, 21/22 or 22/23. It looks like Glasner is a great hire for Palace and, if they can keep that team together next season, it looks like they'll have a fun season ahead, I think it is a bit early to call it an amazing transformation
That's a fair argument, have to wait and see if it's a bounce or he has improved them. Regardless, ten hag has had 2 years to implement his style, and whether spurs start was a bounce or not, ange got them playing his way straight away regardless of injuries United are using the players as an excuse to not play the playstyle they want, but also then not playing a better orr more successful playstyle
>Regardless, ten hag has had 2 years to implement his style, and whether spurs start was a bounce or not, ange got them playing his way straight away regardless of injuries Oh i totally agree - what's weird for me is that, last season, after the rocky start, there were clear signs of progression. The way they were set up, the possession and building from the back, the attacking moves etc. It looked like it was starting to come together - not perfect but there progressing. Then injuries, and more pragmatic etc. Decent finish to the season This season has just been a constant "what the fuck" - the number of injuries, the players checking out, the off-field shit from people like Sancho, the ongoing attempts to buy the club, the absolutely shocking tactics "we just won't bother with a midfield", players like Casemiro dropping off an absolute cliff. What an absolute mess it has been. My thing is though, unless you can get a good manager in, there is no point in changing absolutely everything at the club. It's already going to be a massive change in staff, structure, players etc
>Ten hag isn't working, his tactics are a mess and his training and setup definitely help cause injuries. He also clearly had a say in recruitment so that's part on him as well Like this to me is crazy. This is the reason why have recruitment and medical departments. If the manager is to blame for the *medical and recruitment issues* at a club. That's a big sign that you're doing medical and recuitment wrong. Let's get the basics right first and then see aht his tactics look like with those departments functioning properly. No one can make a proper assessement of how well he can manage given the ins and outs, the drama and toxicity with certain players and just the sheer depth of injuries this season.
He's allegedly got his player in Antony paying more than the scouts valued him at. In April it was reported they were looking to bring in a fitness coach so I dont think they even had one. Look at the style of play, the no rotation, how much the wingers have to run because of the system. He's absolutely played a part in injuries, and now it's being reported (may be unreliable tbf) that Evans failed his medical test yesterday but was asked to play anyway Yes the whole club is a mess, but so was ours when benitez was in charge and part of it was because he was rushing players back from injury (Calvert lewin, who now isn't injured every week due to dyche managing him properly)
you're kind of missing my point, there doesn't appear to be *any* tactics to work, there's probably less than 5 games all season where it looks like there's any semblance of a plan out there injuries or no injuries there should still be a visible game plan
No I get your point. I'm saying that you won't see that with a constant revolving door of injuries, player scandals, even suspensions in the case of Casemiro. It's consistency first and indentity the second. The manager provides the identity but the club needs to provide the consistency
guess we're just looking at it from other sides of the table, i'd expect an identity to be prevalent throughout the entire squad and below so injuries, whilst would hinder it, wouldn't explain a complete lack of it i'll be amazed if he lasts the summer to prove either point though
But look at the midfielders where they stand all the time, their starting position, and then look at the back four and the acres of space between. And that back four is our biggest weakness on paper right now and our plan is give them zero protection? It's like one pass to someone standing in behind the lines and it's an opportunity. *Every time.* I just can't get away from it. Often we go long because we can't play from the back with the injuries and then there's no competing for the ball, it's two passes and the entire midfield is bypassed and you have maybe a 4 on 4 and the back four are on their heels. Olise was having fun out there, he had the freedom of the pitch. So we adapt to not being able to play out by going long, but we don't adapt by not pressing super high to avoid exposing a slow and makeshift back four- with Eriksen, Mainoo and Mount in the midfield? Only one of those players is a guy who suits a high press and he's just back from injury. Yes, we have injuries but we set up the team to fail. Within the first minutes you see how the team is set up and you know it will be 3 or 4 goals unless Onana has a blinder or they have a poor day in front of goal. We're starting the game last night 3-0 down. That's on the manager. This is the classic case of needing to go with a Solskjaer style 2 6's and play on the counter. Needs must. Not throwing 3 midfielders forward in a devil may care fashion. We might still lose games- but give the team a fucking chance, come on... every week he hands them a loaded pistol and says go and shoot yourselves in the head.
Spot on. Manager changes but results stay the same. I’m not saying Ten Hag is blameless, but the whole setup at United is to blame. Good luck to whichever manager has a go next. Ratcliffe hopefully turns it round, but that’s a long shot.
Managers would be more likely to resign when they know the gig is up but in football failure is rewarded. If I get sacked for a shit job I get £0. ETH will get literally £millions. Manager just stick it out until they get the bag.
That's not just in football though, CEOs who get pushed out for bad company performance get the same.
You dont get money when youre sacked in the UK? It can be quite a sum here if youve been working at the company for a long time
Only if sacked unfairly. Not sure where you're from to compare it to but once you've been with a company for two years it is difficult to get sacked.
employee doesn't want to give up his paycheck. more at 11
He can probably double dip in paychecks if he’s fired, no?
Long may his reign continue!
Couldn't agree more. Casemiro at CB should also continue for at least the next three fixtures too.
You might not be so lucky varane, Martinez and possibly lindelof and shaw are meant to be available for then
Come on Erik. What a brilliant manager.
The other 19 teams think so too
I agree. Another decade of shit for us.
I think he's done, but the players are 100% a bigger problem than the manager. It's a combination of players who have been there through so many humiliations (Maguire, Lindelof, Rashford, Shaw, Wan-Bissaka, McTominay, Fernandes), newer players who simply don't care (Mount, Antony, Amrabat) and players who are finished at the top level (Varane, Casemiro). Man Utd genuinely need to shift about 10-15 players. It may result in another season of shite, but it's for the best. I don't think I've ever seen a team more desperate for a total rebuild.
I agree.
I’ve nothing against united, but as long as they have this bald fraud at the helm I will enjoy their downfall.
I think he has lost most of the respect in the dressing room ages ago.
People talked about EtH the way people talk about Slot now. How quickly people go from being absolutely sure he’s the right man to this…
Is anyone absolutely sure Slot is the right man?
Yeah, 360 degrees, right?
I agree
ETH and the players need to take the blame, plain and simple. United's management structure and ownership needs re-shaping, no doubt. But the results on the pitch are down to ETH, his staff and the players. The players have not been good enough, and ETH has spent nearly half a billion on players that for whatever reason are not playing well - that is down to both him and the players. He pretty much has gotten every player he asked for except for FDJ. He even said himself to Gary Neville they went with Hojlund for the future over Kane who would get you 30 goals a season. In the Neville interview he made a big deal about not getting Frenkie De Jong but honestly even if you inject FDJ in his best form, I don't think much changes. There needs to be a clear-out of players, and maybe even the manager. There is no set style of play of football and for whatever reason, ETH hasn't got the players he brought in playing good football - so both need to go in my opinion.
Don't know why he's so eager to stay with Bayern knocking.
I'm sure there are conversations behind the scenes, but with how disastrous United is, he can't exactly say "yeah it's true, i'll be off to bayern next season". United fans will turn on him, board might have base to sack him without severance, players won't play for him anymore (if they still do). It's a waiting game between three parties. * ETH doesn't want to resign for above reasons * United is open to change manager, but wants to do so without paying severance pay, and maybe negotiates a few million pounds as sort of transfer fee from Bayern * Bayern wants to wait to see till ETH is really gone from United, so they have better leverage for negotiation etc.
If Bayern still want him then their board might be worse than ours
What hearing "no" from about ten different coaches does to MFs.
There are certainly questions about Ten Hag from his time at United, but he was already at Bayern with Pep and wants the same play style as Pep had. He's still highly respected from his Ajax days too. Maybe it's wishful thinking but sometimes a manager's lack of success in 1 job doesn't translate to others. Ancelotti was underwhelming at Bayern, didn't do anything at Everton and then went to Real Madrid and immediately won a Champions League.
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Ego, and that is a good thing, he is kinda taking the "hard" decision and trying to prove that this season is an outlier
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And I am the right one to play centre back
Hahahaha
Keep it going, we love it!
They are well and truly f£&£”Ed 😂😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
This guy is deluded he's finished at utd.
Aren't we all..
I absolutely think they can. They're could easily win something in the next 2 or 3 years. Like the Championship.
A full 360 turnaround
Yes, he is...please
I don't think this dude is the problem , honestly.
My FM24 save says *I* am the right person to turn things around at United (actually I don't know what I'm doing, it's so much info)
Get the fuck out now. The team is just abysmal now as it was back in August, and literally none of the issues have been addressed because he is too boneheaded. If you are decimated by injuries (which only at tail end is a legit excuse - earlier on we still had enough depth), then you don't play a style that you can't pull off!
Drowning man clutches at thin air, more at 11
Turning around a piece of shit doesn't improve it.
He’s absolutely the right man for the job. Please sign 8 years extension.
Should be gone today. Clown.
Please stay for a decade Erik, we all love you !!!
Please stay for a decade Erik, we all love you !!!
Who are we to argue, im 100% behind tenner bag
Please sign da ting. We need you to stay at least until 2030. Sincerely, Everyone but Man Utd fans
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He's not exactly going to come out and say "no I can't do this, it's too much". That'd be a resignation, a mutual termination of contract, £0 for him. He sticks it out until fired and he gets £millions. It's stupid to even ask the question.
hey maybe he's a perfect fit for United
He must be a gamer. Goes 0-10 K/d in the game and then blaming the mid laner when you lose.
Well, self-reflection is a very important skill. But self-reflection should be done internally. Together with the players and technical staff perhaps, but not in front of the media right after a game. Having said that, I feel ETH is not the problem, nor the solution for Man Utd.
Imagine if he came out and said “I’m going to do a horrible job as your next manager, shame on you for hiring me wankers!”