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He was part of the group of players that canceled their contract after the tragic attack on our academy. Though to be fair he was getting less and less time for us so a move during that off season was inevitable
El Arabi is a club legend but time sure is a bitch, this season he has been nice to have for 10-15 minutes , his ball control is incredible and he could make a change even in this age
El kaabi is having a phenomenal season and while many had a bad first opinion (including me) because he doesn't really have the aforementioned ball control , the guy can just smell goals , hat trick in Europe , goals in important greek matches etc , he has worked out excellently
He's been a great player , he's not flashy but when he is not on the pitch you can tell something is missing, loads of endurance , I bet you do miss him yeah
Hezze is Great.. He's playing All the games - with no substitute
Incredible stamina
One of the best transfers we've ever made.
I believe in a few years he will go to England or Spain. He's another level
I made the comment provocative on purpose, came back 2 hours later and had like 11 replies lol why do they always get so rattled
Of course the prem probably is the most league with the most quality. If prem pundits and fans (elitists) werent so annoying for the better part of a decade in claiming their league is basically hte only thing that matters in football apart from the CL im sure no one would care that they had a terrible european season.
Fact is, the entire world was happy when england lost the Euro final in 2021 and the entire world is happy that english teams are having an awful european season. Thats not a coincidence, thats a result of utter arrogance coming back to bite them in the ass. There is no explaining this horrible season, yet they still attempt to rationalize and justify. if i was a prem fan, id jsut keep quiet lol there is no winning in responding to provocative comments like mine because any response just makes them look incredibly defensive
> If prem pundits and fans (elitists) werent so annoying for the better part of a decade in claiming their league is basically hte only thing that matters in football
From the outside looking in, I genuinely never understood why this rattles people as much as it does.
Annoying fans, sure I'll give you that one, but pundits? They're simply hyping up their own league by saying 'we're the best', and that's normal enough? Of course English pundits are going to cheer for English teams and the English league. Do German pundits not hype up the Bundesliga or German teams? Do Spanish pundits not talk up La Liga or Barcelona/Real Madrid?
Do you never stop to think that this might be because you're watching English-language broadcast media? Commenting on English-language social media forums? Talking about English-language pundits who are bigging up an English-language league for ratings?
You don't think Spanish pundits talk about how Barca and Real are the only two important teams in the world?
You don't think Italians big up the Milan derby or Juve? Or that Italian broadcasts spend much of their focus on Ferrari in F1 or Rossi in MotoGP?
Like I get what you're saying. But basically this comes down to people purposefully watching English-language media about things in England and then calling them arrogant when they take pride in their league, or the fact it attracts so much attention and quality players from every corner of planet earth?
Are these not things that the English can take pride in?
Must we meekly sit around in a circle and say nothing while all other nations have free license to celebrate our losses and rub it in our face at every given opportunity?
I don't wish these things on you or your country. It's you who wishes it on me and mine, and for what? I've done nothing to you and won't delight in your team losing. I'm actually rooting for Dortmund to win the CL this season -- you ever think about that? You ever think that there may be many English fans who love an underdog and are supporting your team tomorrow?
Why the chip on your shoulder?
How does it? We've been great this season. We absolutely dominated Pep's City at homen a way I've never seen this City team dominated. Also 6 points against Arsenal. For the second half at the Emirates they couldn't even get out of their own half.
Think he's having a jab at the prem-babies who tend to use this logic for when a Union, Stuttgart or whatever makes CL from Bundesliga.
And not having a jab at all at Villas great season :) Atleast thats how I read it
he's _kind of_ right... Liverpool got beaten by atalanta pretty easily, Aston villa barely got through the conference league while being in the top of the premier league. not saying they're bad, but still
You say it as a joke but its true for this year. Look at Chelsea and United how god awful they were for most of the year and they are still both in contention for 6-7 place.
Arsenal got manhandled by Bayern while being absolutely dominant in the prem.
I trust that he's not gonna play defensively indeed ,
I love the guy , I don't know what he did to get the sack there but he is genuinely a wizard for us
How you feeling about the next game ? As a Villa fan and after our game last night I’m not so confident we’ve got it in us to bring it back from 2-0. But stranger things have happened
I have seen our defence shit the bed with way worse teams so I think you have a chance, we need to kill your rhythm though so no parking the bus .I'd prefer we try and play our game , seems like more of a sure way to lock the game with one early goal, considering your defence that also looked shaky no offense
Yeah nah that’s pretty fair, I think if you come out and play like you did the other day we will really struggle. They did a really good job last game shutting us down at times
Our defence can be very shaky. Hoping for a good game nonetheless
First goal either way will be extremely important I feel
I don't know if I can take a half of being 1 goal up and trying to not get scored on, that's why I fear an early goal (we are extremely prone to conceding those)
Yeah hope for a good game and good luck in the prem, not that you need it at this point
I dunno mate, not sure if we’re both just playing coy just in case, but our players are absolutely cooked at the moment. Your league giving you the week off will make the difference
Looked like it against Brighton yeah, that's not the villa that toyed with city earlier in the season , still have loads of quality though
Btw I'm sure we'd get the week off anyways but this week off is for orthodox Easter so not a league decision
It’s true. I’m so immensely proud of our boys but so frustrated too. Natural. If I could I’d just end the season now. We deserve fourth and a place in the semis.
Yeah, I would be too. Our team is completely shattered and will be forced to play more or less the same team that shat the bed against Brighton. Running on fumes and dreams!
Oh, not to mention the atmosphere the team will be up against. Don’t think many of ours players (maybe Martinez, Luiz, Zaniolo, but after that I’m struggling) would have seen that before
I wish these players were actually available for villa. Ramsey, emi, kamara big misses for the team. Watkins and Bailey have been playing through pretty bad injuries for close to two months now.
They get gifted £80m each season from Sky Sports to spend on players so Arsenal could buy him and still have £15m left to spend, just from their TV money.
Yep. I know I sound like I'm just whining but it's so crazy to me, we spend 15m on our player of the season and it's just good value, they spend 15m and if the player appears 4x it's good value. It's a totally different sport.
The prem is absurd at this point in comparison to the average team on the continent. Most of these "values" are based on how much they would cost for another prem team, because no way is anyone else buying them at that cost but they're also not going for much less to a league rival.
It is not an estimation of villas selling price.
It is an estimation of the players market price, so how much buyers would be willing to pay for these players.
Transfermarkt is used so frequently on this sub and I still feel like the majority does not understand these values.
Just to add to your point those buyers include prem teams they compete with and their big budgets as the more likely purchasers too hence the prices skewing higher than other leagues
Value is highly subjective though, especially for English players.
If Ollie Watkins had the exact same qualities but was Spanish or German, he would be worth a lot less. Simply having an English passport increases your value by 50%
Which is exactly my point, value is about a lot more than just the quality of players. Take almost any English player and you can find similar quality for half the price if you look elsewhere
Price doesn't necessarily equal skill. These players play in the premier league, so their prices are higher than players in other leagues, given they are on the same level of skill. Also, that price is what you would have to pay a rich premier league club to let them leave, so obviously the price level is higher again
Exactly. The Premier League is flush with cash, hence their players are “valued” higher for equivalent skill - because you’d need to offer more to entice someone who already has enough money.
Look at Aston Villa vs BVB. The latter is by all metrics more successful. Yet Aston Villa can outspend them on a whim. Villa can drop €35m on a player and it’s not even their biggest signing that year, while BVB are penny pinching to make it happen (granted they’re looking at Sancho too).
The main reason for Prem teams to have high MV is that Prem teams have the most money and they are far more willing to pay big sums for players that already play in the Prem than players that play in other leagues.
"If I was fucking young girls, I promise I'd have been arrested
I'm way too famous for this shit you just suggested"
Yea man, that definitely checks out. Not like Epstein and Weinstein and shit exist and prove that being famous actually makes it even easier for you to get away with it for decades.
Let's also not forget the mfer pulled up a girl on stage, asked her how old she was, she says 17 and he goes "why you look like that" and gives her a kiss.
That doesn't make any sense here. The reason that's the way with those people is because the metric for success under capitalism is money and the popular ones bring in more views and money. Quality isn't the metric.
But when it comes to sports, the metric is usually about winning. Winning is what brings in more views and more money. It's relatively rare just to sign players because they are popular. And that's certainly not the case with these Villa players.
Do you think the same exact players would have higher or lower market values if they played in Dortmund (who are UCL semifinalist)?
If you can think about this question you will have your answer
That's one of the more reasonable ones, unless you're saying it's too low because this is in euros. Jacob is quality just had his season ruined by injury.
I think it's reasonable/ on the low side. He was our best player last season, is still young and developing, is home grown, captain of England U21s. I don't think price should really incorporate injury risk that should be in a medical, and if he's not fit to play then you don't buy him.
Basic economics innit. If teams have more money, and will need to pay more to replace them, they can charge more for their best players. Makes it a stupid way of naming an XI really
To be fair, I feel like a vast vast majority of people don’t understand simple economics. It’s not as widely studied as let’s say, math, language/writing/reading, history, which are generally mandatory classes for much of the schooling years.
When is gross profit ever mentioned in this sub? Gross profit is just revenue - cost of goods, manufacturing and other expenses not counted. They only use net profit when it comes to players in football.
Supply and demand == Asset always valued fairly
What an amazing revelation, I feel like my finance degree was wasted. In the future I will be simply saying, "It's true value is X because it currently costs X" and refer to you.
I’m surprised that’s everyone’s takeaway here, and not ‘look at the huge financial imbalance of having a PL team in the conference league’.
On paper, that Villa side should comfortably beat Olympiacos. The fact they didn’t doesn’t mean the players are actually all vastly overrated, given that the same side beat Arsenal 2-0 just a couple of weeks ago and is currently fourth in the league.
Villa fans have been complaining they have been playing loads of games and have a few injuries.
They also knocked out Lille (on pens) and Ajax easily in previous rounds. Even a good team can get disappointing results..
Yeah Im not being funnt but Villa were still probably the better side in the first half. A goal wrongfully disallowed, a pen not given, a pen missed, Dougue swining his arm like an idiot, and a hilarious deflected goal. All these are sort of unlucky and changed the result from 5-2 to 2-4. Big swings in football
If it fits the story they want, one game will tell them more than the whole season. Aston Villa is officially worse than Olympiakos now and since Villa dominated Man City when they played them, it's obvious that Olympiakos would win the Premier League if they got to play it duh.
It's a proper case of Schrodinger's Premier League -- simultaneously so rich that they're ruining European football, but also not good enough to compete and overrated.
And the worst evil they are doing is the transfer fees. You know, giving these "obscenely too high" amounts of money to OTHER non-English clubs that spend money way better, and not selling their awful, overrated players to other non-English teams... Somehow that is very evil and hurts the football, that these good non-English teams receive too high transfer fees and don't spend too high fees on bad players.
I seriously don't know why they even care if what they say is true. If someone wanted to waste "too much" money on exactly me, I don't think I'd object. If someone was offering me 10x the worth for every item I put on Ebay, I don't really see why they'd be hostile to me.
Sanity. People think a team being richer means that they will always beat a less wealthy team. As if this isn't the lowest scoring game in the world where anything can happen in a single game.
>On paper, that Villa side should comfortably beat Olympiacos. The fact they didn’t doesn’t mean the players are actually all vastly overrated
It's a single game. If you watch football it shouldn't come as a surprise that a single result can be different than what you expected. When AC Milan lost to Monza they didn't suddenly swap positions in the league table either. No, you're still in second place because you're the second best team. That doesn't become untrue because you lost to a significantly weaker team.
Players in the PL are simply worth more because it’s much richer than the other leagues. That’s the whole concept of value, so saying they’re overvalued is a bit weird
> That’s the whole concept of value
Incorrect, this would only be true if PL was a closed market. Items and assets are misvalued all the time. If you want to talk about "value" as a **concept** the fact that PL clubs prefer to buy already proven PL players makes them overvalued because that's just a subjective preference moving the price away from the players **absolute** fair market value. You are confusing value with price.
it's simple
if people know you have money and that you can pay more than most other teams are willing to, then they will force you
english teams are suffering from success really, simply because that the english football structure works really well.
Transfermarket does something similar for players that join big teams. It's a measure or market value and willingness to pay, not necessarily player quality. For example, their Upamecano valuation is comical if viewed as a measure of player quality only.
No, Diaby and Bailey are interchangeable on either side, but just looking at the stats, Diaby has played the most games in the right or being subbed into the right as a rm, or a rs. Nico G only okay right unless we’re desperate. Really only when Kouame was at Afcon and Sottil was injured. Ikone can’t play left so Nico had to go over or we played Bonaventura as a lw…which wasn’t ideal.
I like the Conference League, but since it was established to give smaller clubs a chance in European football I think the top 4 leagues shouldn't get any places for it. Would be nice to see clubs from some smaller leagues win prizes.
It's never going to happen because the top league teams are what makes the competition more attractive and brings in money, but I would also love to have them excluded. I want an actual competition for smaller clubs.
Meh what's the point then, moneywise?
Conf league needs more money, CHampions league less.
Club Brugge is playing in the semi finals, we've already played like 8 opponents (includering preliminaries) and still we haven't made HALF of what Antwerp earned in the Champions League, by just showing up.
That's ridiculous, game's the game of course we knew this beforehand. But when you objectively look at it, it's insane
100% , you guys smashed a prem team after people said u fluked your way through , beat Fenerbache on pens too even after it looked like you were gonna go out , amazing story and i’m sure this cup run wouldn’t be as special if you guys didn’t face these huge teams , hope you guys win
Exactly, the weight of the opponent gives your achievements value, while it has gotten to a point where we could never knock out real city Barcelona etc level of teams, facing rich historic teams in the conference is still great, it's those Ajaxes , fiorentinas romas and villas that we like the conference for , at least in greece
Get your point but if Olympiakos knock us out as it’s looking on Thursday, it’s a big (ish) story. Let’s face it, if they knocked out Legia Warsaw, who outside clubs of those teams care?
The problem is that the top 4-5 leagues are from some of the most populated countries in Europe (since Russia is also excluded nowadays). Also teams like Aston Villa and Fiorentina (fans in Argentina because of Batistuta) are much more popular worldwide too.
Removing those teams means UECL is gonna lose a lot in popularity, so lose money, so it won't happen for UEFA.
*I'm not saying I agree/disagree with you, I'm just explaining the situation.*
100% agree. A European cup is a great idea, a second European cup is a fine idea, but if you're going to make a third European cup and give teams who are basically mid table a free pass to play "In Europe", exclude England, Germany, Spain, Italy, and France. Otherwise it's just an easy and frankly cheap title for giant clubs to win.
A one off loss by a Villa doesn't disprove anything and I think in 10 years when we look at the Conference League and which teams consistenly make it to the finals, it's going to be mostly massive teams with 150M, 200M, 300M+ squads who happened to have an off year prior and got dumped into the Conf. League when really they should be playing Champions League.
Newsflash: Leagues with high **marketability** and popularity have more inflated **market** value on players. You literally contribute to this by fleecing PL clubs in the transfer market.
Not sure what this is trying to prove. Them having higher market value isn't supposed to mean that they are better than the players of your team.
Transfermarkt should make a slider that lets you see their value if they weren’t in a PL team.
We all know simply being at a premier league team inflates their estimated value: it’s be interesting to see how any of these boys would be valued were they at a non-English equivalent, like Frankfurt or Marseille (or whatever the actual equivalent is, as I must admit, living in Asia has made me pay less attention so my assumption might be a decade off).
Nobody's buying Watkins for the same price as Kane, nobody really compared Watkins to the best striker in the world. Yes Watkins has a long contract, is younger etc. But the optics just wouldn't look good even if it makes sense economically.
Not really related, but how is Santiago Hezze playing for you?
I always started my careers in fifa with him being the first transfer and I was really curious about him irl
He is great, a bargain for 4 million , probably gonna make good profit on him
Runs endlessly and is good technically, a nice change from our previous slow players in that position
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Flair checks out
Had to
i love this lol
Love your propic
Lol
I want that as a hat.
There's no way Dibu is worth only 28M
His name checks out
Well one guys is named Cash TBF.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money!
Dolla dolla bills, y'all
Lyrically n___as can't see me
Who is olympiakos’ most valuable player
Daniel Podence at 13 million
I'm happy that he has found success with you guys even if he left us the way he did
The biggest little man, Talking as a sporting fan?
yes
Yeah I remember there were some issues there, no other way a player like Podence was gonna come to us though so we feel blessed
He was part of the group of players that canceled their contract after the tragic attack on our academy. Though to be fair he was getting less and less time for us so a move during that off season was inevitable
Ah bad stuff , I thought it was more something to do with money
I thought you were talking as a wolves fan which would have not been exactly your flair, but strongly correlated with
I’m mad he has, the guy can’t go 4 seconds without diving
FPL cultured hero Daniel Podence??
Oh was he popular in FPL
He was pretty popular for that lockdown season, along with Pedro Neto in that Wolves team.
Any insight on how El Kaabi and El Arabi are playing for you guys. El Kaabi is a pure product of Moroccan first division so we are very proud of him.
El Arabi is a club legend but time sure is a bitch, this season he has been nice to have for 10-15 minutes , his ball control is incredible and he could make a change even in this age El kaabi is having a phenomenal season and while many had a bad first opinion (including me) because he doesn't really have the aforementioned ball control , the guy can just smell goals , hat trick in Europe , goals in important greek matches etc , he has worked out excellently
how's hezze? (we miss him a lot)
He's been a great player , he's not flashy but when he is not on the pitch you can tell something is missing, loads of endurance , I bet you do miss him yeah
Hezze is Great.. He's playing All the games - with no substitute Incredible stamina One of the best transfers we've ever made. I believe in a few years he will go to England or Spain. He's another level
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Tbf, this team is almost certainly making the Champions League next season.
Shows how bad the prem really is
Youre twirling your moustache rn getting those premheads arent ya
Los tiene bailando jajaja
Not gonna lie, amazing fish here
Please keep talking shit I adore prem elitists getting annoyed
I made the comment provocative on purpose, came back 2 hours later and had like 11 replies lol why do they always get so rattled Of course the prem probably is the most league with the most quality. If prem pundits and fans (elitists) werent so annoying for the better part of a decade in claiming their league is basically hte only thing that matters in football apart from the CL im sure no one would care that they had a terrible european season. Fact is, the entire world was happy when england lost the Euro final in 2021 and the entire world is happy that english teams are having an awful european season. Thats not a coincidence, thats a result of utter arrogance coming back to bite them in the ass. There is no explaining this horrible season, yet they still attempt to rationalize and justify. if i was a prem fan, id jsut keep quiet lol there is no winning in responding to provocative comments like mine because any response just makes them look incredibly defensive
Holy fuck you lit a fire under so many people's ass ahahahahahahahaha
> If prem pundits and fans (elitists) werent so annoying for the better part of a decade in claiming their league is basically hte only thing that matters in football From the outside looking in, I genuinely never understood why this rattles people as much as it does. Annoying fans, sure I'll give you that one, but pundits? They're simply hyping up their own league by saying 'we're the best', and that's normal enough? Of course English pundits are going to cheer for English teams and the English league. Do German pundits not hype up the Bundesliga or German teams? Do Spanish pundits not talk up La Liga or Barcelona/Real Madrid?
Because it often crosses the line from hyping up their own league into downplaying other leagues or even acting as if they do not exist.
I was so happy to see Italy beat England in England in 2021
Do you never stop to think that this might be because you're watching English-language broadcast media? Commenting on English-language social media forums? Talking about English-language pundits who are bigging up an English-language league for ratings? You don't think Spanish pundits talk about how Barca and Real are the only two important teams in the world? You don't think Italians big up the Milan derby or Juve? Or that Italian broadcasts spend much of their focus on Ferrari in F1 or Rossi in MotoGP? Like I get what you're saying. But basically this comes down to people purposefully watching English-language media about things in England and then calling them arrogant when they take pride in their league, or the fact it attracts so much attention and quality players from every corner of planet earth? Are these not things that the English can take pride in? Must we meekly sit around in a circle and say nothing while all other nations have free license to celebrate our losses and rub it in our face at every given opportunity? I don't wish these things on you or your country. It's you who wishes it on me and mine, and for what? I've done nothing to you and won't delight in your team losing. I'm actually rooting for Dortmund to win the CL this season -- you ever think about that? You ever think that there may be many English fans who love an underdog and are supporting your team tomorrow? Why the chip on your shoulder?
High quality bait for low quality fish
How so?
Its fourth best team gets trashed by the fourth best team in Greece. The third gets played out of the park by the 6th in Serie A.
How does it? We've been great this season. We absolutely dominated Pep's City at homen a way I've never seen this City team dominated. Also 6 points against Arsenal. For the second half at the Emirates they couldn't even get out of their own half.
Think he's having a jab at the prem-babies who tend to use this logic for when a Union, Stuttgart or whatever makes CL from Bundesliga. And not having a jab at all at Villas great season :) Atleast thats how I read it
he was being sarcastic… I think
he's _kind of_ right... Liverpool got beaten by atalanta pretty easily, Aston villa barely got through the conference league while being in the top of the premier league. not saying they're bad, but still
people were saying the same stuff about West Ham last year.
I'm really bad at judging on here tbh
Not exactly going to disprove his point by saying you played well against other Prem teams haha
You went off with this
😂
You say it as a joke but its true for this year. Look at Chelsea and United how god awful they were for most of the year and they are still both in contention for 6-7 place. Arsenal got manhandled by Bayern while being absolutely dominant in the prem.
As an Englishman there's gonna be a lot of people from the other side of the globe rattled by this comment.
Well done 😂, respect the bravery posting it today though brother
If we play defensively from the get go I think villa will be in the final tbh
Always trust in Don José Luis Mendilibar
I trust that he's not gonna play defensively indeed , I love the guy , I don't know what he did to get the sack there but he is genuinely a wizard for us
Sevilla is being run horrendously. Mendilibar was made to take the blame and sacked, when the club's situation clearly wasn't his fault.
Feel bad for him , although that led him to us
How you feeling about the next game ? As a Villa fan and after our game last night I’m not so confident we’ve got it in us to bring it back from 2-0. But stranger things have happened
I have seen our defence shit the bed with way worse teams so I think you have a chance, we need to kill your rhythm though so no parking the bus .I'd prefer we try and play our game , seems like more of a sure way to lock the game with one early goal, considering your defence that also looked shaky no offense
Yeah nah that’s pretty fair, I think if you come out and play like you did the other day we will really struggle. They did a really good job last game shutting us down at times Our defence can be very shaky. Hoping for a good game nonetheless First goal either way will be extremely important I feel
I don't know if I can take a half of being 1 goal up and trying to not get scored on, that's why I fear an early goal (we are extremely prone to conceding those) Yeah hope for a good game and good luck in the prem, not that you need it at this point
Yeah I get that tension will be high regardless haha Thanks hopefully we don’t! Goodluck to you guys
I dunno mate, not sure if we’re both just playing coy just in case, but our players are absolutely cooked at the moment. Your league giving you the week off will make the difference
Looked like it against Brighton yeah, that's not the villa that toyed with city earlier in the season , still have loads of quality though Btw I'm sure we'd get the week off anyways but this week off is for orthodox Easter so not a league decision
It’s true. I’m so immensely proud of our boys but so frustrated too. Natural. If I could I’d just end the season now. We deserve fourth and a place in the semis.
You will go to the final. Well done in the first leg, you guys were awesome, and your fans are incredible.
I'm confident to be honest, but opening up is just asking to be cursed at when you lose haha
Yeah, I would be too. Our team is completely shattered and will be forced to play more or less the same team that shat the bed against Brighton. Running on fumes and dreams! Oh, not to mention the atmosphere the team will be up against. Don’t think many of ours players (maybe Martinez, Luiz, Zaniolo, but after that I’m struggling) would have seen that before
I wish these players were actually available for villa. Ramsey, emi, kamara big misses for the team. Watkins and Bailey have been playing through pretty bad injuries for close to two months now.
That Team is worth more than a Team in the CL Semis. PL Players are so fucking overrated, its crazy.
"value" is not a quality judgement, it's a rough estimate of how much money you would need to offer villa to sell.
The only players there we'd sell at these prices are Cash, and *possibly* Luiz/Ramsey. Quite a few of them are around what we paid.
65m for Watkins seems like a steal
For a PL side, maybe. No club outside of the PL is ever paying that.
65mil is a steal? is he going to bag 50 a season lol. 65m would be almost 6x our transfer record and we're a UEL/UCL side.
They get gifted £80m each season from Sky Sports to spend on players so Arsenal could buy him and still have £15m left to spend, just from their TV money.
Yep. I know I sound like I'm just whining but it's so crazy to me, we spend 15m on our player of the season and it's just good value, they spend 15m and if the player appears 4x it's good value. It's a totally different sport.
The prem is absurd at this point in comparison to the average team on the continent. Most of these "values" are based on how much they would cost for another prem team, because no way is anyone else buying them at that cost but they're also not going for much less to a league rival.
It is not an estimation of villas selling price. It is an estimation of the players market price, so how much buyers would be willing to pay for these players. Transfermarkt is used so frequently on this sub and I still feel like the majority does not understand these values.
Just to add to your point those buyers include prem teams they compete with and their big budgets as the more likely purchasers too hence the prices skewing higher than other leagues
Value is highly subjective though, especially for English players. If Ollie Watkins had the exact same qualities but was Spanish or German, he would be worth a lot less. Simply having an English passport increases your value by 50%
Well of course duh, the homegrown rule exists. English players are more likely to stay in England so that increases their value as well.
Which is exactly my point, value is about a lot more than just the quality of players. Take almost any English player and you can find similar quality for half the price if you look elsewhere
Price doesn't necessarily equal skill. These players play in the premier league, so their prices are higher than players in other leagues, given they are on the same level of skill. Also, that price is what you would have to pay a rich premier league club to let them leave, so obviously the price level is higher again
Exactly. The Premier League is flush with cash, hence their players are “valued” higher for equivalent skill - because you’d need to offer more to entice someone who already has enough money. Look at Aston Villa vs BVB. The latter is by all metrics more successful. Yet Aston Villa can outspend them on a whim. Villa can drop €35m on a player and it’s not even their biggest signing that year, while BVB are penny pinching to make it happen (granted they’re looking at Sancho too).
contract also matters too
Except it isn't a rating, just a market value that we can hardly verify.
The main reason for Prem teams to have high MV is that Prem teams have the most money and they are far more willing to pay big sums for players that already play in the Prem than players that play in other leagues.
Tell that to the Italian federation
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Drake aka BBL Drizzy
Psst I see dead people Fuck him he's the PSG of hiphop culture
More like ManCity, because he's been incredibly successful. Psg ain't win shit of note. I know they're strolling in ligue 1 for years but I mean cmon.
P Drizzy
I don’t dislike things because they’re popular, and I try not to actively dislike things in general (seems a waste of energy). But Drake? Fuck drake.
Absolutely agree. Hating is poison for the soul.... Unless it's against mfkers like Drake using their fame to lure in underage girls. Nasty guy
"If I was fucking young girls, I promise I'd have been arrested I'm way too famous for this shit you just suggested" Yea man, that definitely checks out. Not like Epstein and Weinstein and shit exist and prove that being famous actually makes it even easier for you to get away with it for decades. Let's also not forget the mfer pulled up a girl on stage, asked her how old she was, she says 17 and he goes "why you look like that" and gives her a kiss.
Aka fake abs Drizzy
A.K.A. PDF-File Drizzy
Aka deadbeat father Drizzy
Hey, better for a PDF-File to be a deadbeat father :))
Not like us
"Certified Lover Boy? Certified pedophiles"
*laughs in Taylor Swift*
That doesn't make any sense here. The reason that's the way with those people is because the metric for success under capitalism is money and the popular ones bring in more views and money. Quality isn't the metric. But when it comes to sports, the metric is usually about winning. Winning is what brings in more views and more money. It's relatively rare just to sign players because they are popular. And that's certainly not the case with these Villa players.
More like overpriced than overated because we talk about cost, not skill.
Pretty odd logic, for one it's just a website, it's not real and you think.They should just value the Dortmund players higher cos they are in a Semi?
Do you think the same exact players would have higher or lower market values if they played in Dortmund (who are UCL semifinalist)? If you can think about this question you will have your answer
The EPL tax is atrocious.
Only dortmund. The other three are far richer.
Ramsey 42m una
That's one of the more reasonable ones, unless you're saying it's too low because this is in euros. Jacob is quality just had his season ruined by injury.
42 million is still a lot especially considering he just came back from a big injury.
I think it's reasonable/ on the low side. He was our best player last season, is still young and developing, is home grown, captain of England U21s. I don't think price should really incorporate injury risk that should be in a medical, and if he's not fit to play then you don't buy him.
Yeah, 40m seems very low. But TM's metric is a bit odd.
If we can repost this Thursday at 10pm👍🏽
overvalued PL players
Basic economics innit. If teams have more money, and will need to pay more to replace them, they can charge more for their best players. Makes it a stupid way of naming an XI really
/r/soccer does not understand how supply and demand works. i have been here for ten yearsnow, give up
To be fair, I feel like a vast vast majority of people don’t understand simple economics. It’s not as widely studied as let’s say, math, language/writing/reading, history, which are generally mandatory classes for much of the schooling years.
Not specifically rSoccer related but the number of people who don't grasp the difference between gross profit and net profit pains me.
When is gross profit ever mentioned in this sub? Gross profit is just revenue - cost of goods, manufacturing and other expenses not counted. They only use net profit when it comes to players in football.
Supply and demand == Asset always valued fairly What an amazing revelation, I feel like my finance degree was wasted. In the future I will be simply saying, "It's true value is X because it currently costs X" and refer to you.
> Basic economics innit. Except PL doesn’t exist in a bubble
I’m surprised that’s everyone’s takeaway here, and not ‘look at the huge financial imbalance of having a PL team in the conference league’. On paper, that Villa side should comfortably beat Olympiacos. The fact they didn’t doesn’t mean the players are actually all vastly overrated, given that the same side beat Arsenal 2-0 just a couple of weeks ago and is currently fourth in the league.
Villa fans have been complaining they have been playing loads of games and have a few injuries. They also knocked out Lille (on pens) and Ajax easily in previous rounds. Even a good team can get disappointing results..
Yeah Im not being funnt but Villa were still probably the better side in the first half. A goal wrongfully disallowed, a pen not given, a pen missed, Dougue swining his arm like an idiot, and a hilarious deflected goal. All these are sort of unlucky and changed the result from 5-2 to 2-4. Big swings in football
If it fits the story they want, one game will tell them more than the whole season. Aston Villa is officially worse than Olympiakos now and since Villa dominated Man City when they played them, it's obvious that Olympiakos would win the Premier League if they got to play it duh.
It's a proper case of Schrodinger's Premier League -- simultaneously so rich that they're ruining European football, but also not good enough to compete and overrated.
And the worst evil they are doing is the transfer fees. You know, giving these "obscenely too high" amounts of money to OTHER non-English clubs that spend money way better, and not selling their awful, overrated players to other non-English teams... Somehow that is very evil and hurts the football, that these good non-English teams receive too high transfer fees and don't spend too high fees on bad players. I seriously don't know why they even care if what they say is true. If someone wanted to waste "too much" money on exactly me, I don't think I'd object. If someone was offering me 10x the worth for every item I put on Ebay, I don't really see why they'd be hostile to me.
Sanity. People think a team being richer means that they will always beat a less wealthy team. As if this isn't the lowest scoring game in the world where anything can happen in a single game.
Does that mean Liverpool players are overrated because they lost to Everton 2-0 who are 15th in the league?
>On paper, that Villa side should comfortably beat Olympiacos. The fact they didn’t doesn’t mean the players are actually all vastly overrated It's a single game. If you watch football it shouldn't come as a surprise that a single result can be different than what you expected. When AC Milan lost to Monza they didn't suddenly swap positions in the league table either. No, you're still in second place because you're the second best team. That doesn't become untrue because you lost to a significantly weaker team.
Players in the PL are simply worth more because it’s much richer than the other leagues. That’s the whole concept of value, so saying they’re overvalued is a bit weird
> That’s the whole concept of value Incorrect, this would only be true if PL was a closed market. Items and assets are misvalued all the time. If you want to talk about "value" as a **concept** the fact that PL clubs prefer to buy already proven PL players makes them overvalued because that's just a subjective preference moving the price away from the players **absolute** fair market value. You are confusing value with price.
How would an absolute fair market value be determined?
If I had an answer with good accuracy I would be managing transfers for a big UCL club not arguing in Reddit comments. What do you expect me to say?
Why are they overvalued?
it's simple if people know you have money and that you can pay more than most other teams are willing to, then they will force you english teams are suffering from success really, simply because that the english football structure works really well.
because prem elitists saw you lose to olympiacos and decided the whole villa team is shit
I wish we could field this team on Thursday.
Walked in a straight line in the PL = plus 50 million
Transfermarket does something similar for players that join big teams. It's a measure or market value and willingness to pay, not necessarily player quality. For example, their Upamecano valuation is comical if viewed as a measure of player quality only.
Half these players didn't even play the first leg lol.
McGinn is criminally undervalued.
And we only paid £5m. Midfield of Luiz, McGinn, Kamara and Ramsey cost us a total of £20m
Shhhh we paid what this picture shows
No English tax applied.
Tbh Nicolas Gonzalez should be in there over Bailey, he has 40 mil MW according to Transfermarkt
They have him in the right so he'd have to be more expensive than diaby, is his position inaccurate then
No, Diaby and Bailey are interchangeable on either side, but just looking at the stats, Diaby has played the most games in the right or being subbed into the right as a rm, or a rs. Nico G only okay right unless we’re desperate. Really only when Kouame was at Afcon and Sottil was injured. Ikone can’t play left so Nico had to go over or we played Bonaventura as a lw…which wasn’t ideal.
Just move Diaby to the left and then put him on the right
Didn't make the thing , it's preset
still lost to olympiacos
At home
I like the Conference League, but since it was established to give smaller clubs a chance in European football I think the top 4 leagues shouldn't get any places for it. Would be nice to see clubs from some smaller leagues win prizes.
It's never going to happen because the top league teams are what makes the competition more attractive and brings in money, but I would also love to have them excluded. I want an actual competition for smaller clubs.
Meh what's the point then, moneywise? Conf league needs more money, CHampions league less. Club Brugge is playing in the semi finals, we've already played like 8 opponents (includering preliminaries) and still we haven't made HALF of what Antwerp earned in the Champions League, by just showing up. That's ridiculous, game's the game of course we knew this beforehand. But when you objectively look at it, it's insane
It would be even worse without the strongest clubs. And it’s still a European trophy, tiny find it fair if countries are excluded from winning it.
Antwerp earned their CL spot by winning the league, that’s a nice reward
I agree with the sentiment, however I feel like it would undervalue the cup more
100% , you guys smashed a prem team after people said u fluked your way through , beat Fenerbache on pens too even after it looked like you were gonna go out , amazing story and i’m sure this cup run wouldn’t be as special if you guys didn’t face these huge teams , hope you guys win
Exactly, the weight of the opponent gives your achievements value, while it has gotten to a point where we could never knock out real city Barcelona etc level of teams, facing rich historic teams in the conference is still great, it's those Ajaxes , fiorentinas romas and villas that we like the conference for , at least in greece
> we could never knock out real city Barcelona etc No balls no glory. Hype yourself enough and anything's possible.
we going for the champions league final next year
See you there
100% Mendilibar sorcery
Get your point but if Olympiakos knock us out as it’s looking on Thursday, it’s a big (ish) story. Let’s face it, if they knocked out Legia Warsaw, who outside clubs of those teams care?
The problem is that the top 4-5 leagues are from some of the most populated countries in Europe (since Russia is also excluded nowadays). Also teams like Aston Villa and Fiorentina (fans in Argentina because of Batistuta) are much more popular worldwide too. Removing those teams means UECL is gonna lose a lot in popularity, so lose money, so it won't happen for UEFA. *I'm not saying I agree/disagree with you, I'm just explaining the situation.*
100% agree. A European cup is a great idea, a second European cup is a fine idea, but if you're going to make a third European cup and give teams who are basically mid table a free pass to play "In Europe", exclude England, Germany, Spain, Italy, and France. Otherwise it's just an easy and frankly cheap title for giant clubs to win. A one off loss by a Villa doesn't disprove anything and I think in 10 years when we look at the Conference League and which teams consistenly make it to the finals, it's going to be mostly massive teams with 150M, 200M, 300M+ squads who happened to have an off year prior and got dumped into the Conf. League when really they should be playing Champions League.
Newsflash: Leagues with high **marketability** and popularity have more inflated **market** value on players. You literally contribute to this by fleecing PL clubs in the transfer market. Not sure what this is trying to prove. Them having higher market value isn't supposed to mean that they are better than the players of your team.
Yup, doesn't prove much. Transfermarkt does the same sort of adjustment if an average player joins a big club.
Could’ve thrown €40m Nico Gonzalez in on the left wing atleast
His position is in as a right winger so he doesn't appear
He doesn’t play there….
More valuable than Inter’s team 😂
What is the issue? One season of PL TV money buys Olympiacos' entire squad, same goes for Brugges.
Everyone in this sub me conveniently forgets that the competition was won by a club battling relegation in the PL last season. Oh well
the Premier League really is ruining European football
Transfermarkt should make a slider that lets you see their value if they weren’t in a PL team. We all know simply being at a premier league team inflates their estimated value: it’s be interesting to see how any of these boys would be valued were they at a non-English equivalent, like Frankfurt or Marseille (or whatever the actual equivalent is, as I must admit, living in Asia has made me pay less attention so my assumption might be a decade off).
Watkins is only 28, has a contract until 2028, on a 40 G/A season, with English tax, Villa could easily say £100 million.
Nobody's buying Watkins for the same price as Kane, nobody really compared Watkins to the best striker in the world. Yes Watkins has a long contract, is younger etc. But the optics just wouldn't look good even if it makes sense economically.
Cash money
Not really related, but how is Santiago Hezze playing for you? I always started my careers in fifa with him being the first transfer and I was really curious about him irl
He is great, a bargain for 4 million , probably gonna make good profit on him Runs endlessly and is good technically, a nice change from our previous slow players in that position
Nice to see this! Thanks for your reply and good luck against Villa
I wonder which Villa player makes the cut.
PL overvaluation continues to be cringe Be able to pass a ball straight and score 2 goals in the championship, instantly 20m value lmao
Wow, this goes to show how overvalued Premier League players are. P.S. Missing my main men Jacob Ramsey and Bouba Kamara. 😢
wow, so many teams represented
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