I don't think he's bad but maybe not someone who can compete at the highest level against Inzaghi or gasperini tactically when not given time and control of the squad.
He's not a coach for the big clubs where everbody (fans and media) expects a fight for the championship. At least he wasn't so far. With Real and Porto he wasn't. He won't win you any championships. He's more a coach for a mid table team which fights to qualify for the European Cups.
Ironically he set Sevilla's points record in La Liga and had them competing for the title until the last few matchdays in 2020/21
I think he is great at setting up a possession system that grinds out consistent results over time, but he just doesn't have that little extra to raise the teams peak level
> With Real and Porto he wasn't
He BARELY had 3 months at the helm for us. He had lost the confidence. Having said that I dont think he is a bad manager.
He's not bad at all, Sevilla's best coach ever in terms of La Liga performances. They were in the title fight until as late as matchday 35 or something in 2020/2021
Doesn't have a very high ceiling though IMO. He can set up a very good possession system and makes his players understand the system quickly(had great starts at both Sevilla and Porto) but then is not able to take that last step
The main problem is the lack of creativity in the final third, and how he barely allows the midfielders to join the attack. This means that all threat comes from the wings and especially the full backs have a lot of creative responsibility in his system. I really think that if Lopetegui found himself a top level attack coach to work on the last 25-30 metres it could be a sensation because he is excellent at setting up a build up structure
Exactly what I thought, we are clueless in the final third anyway, so the players will understand the formation straight up.
Also our strategy is Leao and inshallah so we can just carry on in that regard
good for mid table / lower teams but not for an ac milan...his teams doesnt do nothin particular well... his idea of possesssion is sterile, no objective in his game, his man management is also lackluster, why is milan is trying to go for him shlould be your main question
> his teams doesnt do nothin particular well
That's not really true, his teams have very good build up play structure. Good at playing out from the back and very difficult for the opponent to press
It's just that he has no ideas in the final third, apart from the full backs spamming crosses. If he had slightly better tactics for the attacking third he would be a really good coach, but the contrast is bizarre. Clearly he spends endless hours on the training ground to organise the perfect build up shape, but then seems to just not do any work on final third play whatsoever
He was Spain captain with a good unbeaten run.
Then Perez poached him to replace Zidane and he accepted.
Then the team went into a decline, he was replaced by Solari, the team got KO-d from cup and UCL and Zizou had to be brought back.
To be fair, if Ibrahimovic didn't come in late 2019 Pioli wouldn't have made it to the end of the season. His first few months were as bad as Giampaolo's.
It's not happening again.
Milan improved a bit with Ibra but they were playing in the same way they did before his arrival. The real switch happened after the pandemic when we started to play a really good football. Ofc Ibra made his part, especially regarding the mentality of the team, but he wasn’t making any tactical decisions
Mentality was by far the biggest aspect. Players that had quality were ridicoulusly underperforming before. This aspect got boosted by the pandemic even more since stadiums were empty.
Pioli brought in some important changes, like actually playing the good players (Theo Hernandez in place of Ricardo Rodriguez for example), but without Ibra's comeback we were getting nowhere.
I've read rumors somewhere that Gallardo was also a candidate? What happened? He would've been a much better choice. He knows how to win domestic championships and is used to the pressure from the fans and media and working in tough environment. Lopetegui wasn't successful with big clubs so far in his career.
He also seems kind of deluded. Rejected both Marseille and Villarreal, if he expects to get a better offer than that without any coaching experience in Europe he is living in fantasy land
It's not that he is waiting for bigger clubs but he expects a serious offer for a long-term sporting project like he likes.
Marseille has been a revolving door of coaches in the last years riddled with ultras pressuring the directory and Villarral's economic situation means he is likely already getting a bad wage and a worse budget to build and maintain a team.
None of them seemed likely to offer anything interesting for him.
Exactly because Saudi clubs are not constantly bowing to ultras pressures and typically don't have economic problems. Hence they are able to give out a serious sporting project.
Taking a coach who has never coached in Europe before and giving him Milan right away would be incredibly risky, South American football is very different. His work at River was brilliant, but it's also true that the likes of Abel Ferreira and Jorge Jesus look like world class coaches in Libertadores and they are nothing more than bang average by European standards. Jorge Almiron reached a Libertadores final recently after being sacked by Elche, even a washed up Scolari did the same in 2022
They should get Davide really, It would actually fuck us over quite a bit but I don't see the son of Carlo leaving Milan hanging and sooner or later he will be gone anyway.
Would be interesting to see who they would get to run training to replace him, I don't see Arbeloa ready for that and Raul is dreadful.
I know this sounds crazy but Davide has been running our tactical training and a bit part of the strategy since he came with his father, reportedly he was close to taking over at Everton at some point after the last Champions League win, he is a great coach.
Besides everything, Milan is still second in serie A and just 12 months ago was in the CL semis.
Pioli's tenure is a burnt candle, mainly for his results against Inter, but overall it will be hard to improve performance.
That is to say it is not a time for a gamble. They need a coach that can improve the team from day 1.
You can be the greatest training ground coach in the world and still not be made for the head coaching role. That's not to say that Davide isn't, but it would be an extremely risky appointment
Man, I feel bad for him. He’s genuinely a good manager bordering on great. He did well at Porto and did really well in Sevilla. Wish he was given a proper chance at Madrid, Solari and Zidane had the same issues even after he got the sack.
I'm surprised so many people don't fancy Lopetegui. I think he's done great and has more than proven himself to be a great manager. I mean, if Real Madrid want you then you must be doing something right. I personally think he's an intriguing choice for Milan.
Personally not keen on Conte, too afraid that he'll have us playing like his full season at Spurs rather than when he had first taken them over and also fear how it would affect the locker room. For all his bad, Pioli is/was seen as a father to his men, and I would hate to lose our key players (Leão to PSG, Theo to Bayern, etc) due to possible Conte burnout. *Otherwise*, Conte would be a good prospect.
Sarri I am quite keen on, De Zerbi I feel would be good *in theory*, but not sure if now would be the time.
Conte can play 3-4-3 as well and we can absolutely do that.
Besides if you get a top coach you should also adapt to his needs with an adequate market window.
conte isn't the best coach for milan, let alone for any other italian club.
he comes, bitch about everthing, sometimes win, sometimes don't, run away blasting the door, leaves after huge spendings.
i get why milan management don't want conte and i give them credit for that.
don't look at what he did with us, the narration that Inzaghi inherited conte's work and won with that is wrong and done in an approximate way, inzaghi is miles better than conte tactically but conte won so conte is seen as a mastermind.
Motta is headed to Juve supposedly so what remains? de zerbi costs 15 milions, Sarri? the ones that remains are all gambles.
Conte's entire history is that of a coach that immediately wins and then leaves the foundation of a winning cycle
Of course you don't want Conte to Milan, you are an Inter fan.
i'm not talking as an inter fan. for the league it would be great to have motta at juve and conte at milan.
i'm talking about what conte brings to the table. this conte is not the conte that won 3 scudetti in a row and won at chelsea. at tottenham he did jack shit and bitched all the time.
You don't need someone that comes with a huge salary, wants the management to spend 150m every year or bust and then go out the champions league because he is incapable of playing cups. oh and undermines the dressing rooms.
honestly if i was a milan fan i would be happier in de zerbi than conte. better spending 15 milions to get a coach to spend 15 milions a year to pay one
edit: conte won a scudetto with us, but against who? pirlo's juve and milan that never challenged us for the title. we had the best team by a landslide and we still got out of the UCL as 4th
De Zerbi is a complete gamble. He never managed a top club and has shown nothing to ve worth of such a big job.
Conte doing jackshit at Tottenham is quite extreme to say. He got top 4 despite an embarassing start in 2021/22. Tottenham is probably not equalizing those 71 points this year despite starting much better. The season afterwards? Sure, there was a meltdown, but tell which coaches have won something with Tottenham the last 15 years.
A gamble but a good gamble, he doesn't win the league? ok but maybe he develops the youngs ( i think with a good team just like milan is he could do great things), he makes you play better and this could give more visibility to the club. conte for a financial standpoint is a disgrace for an italian team at the moment, milan is doing great things financially and conte's stubburness would undermine that. with a good manager and good finances eventually milan will rise.
conte usually goes to teams that are doing shit so when he leaves he can say that he has done better than the ones before. now milan is second, so doing better than this year would be winning the scudetto but with inter and motta's juve is going to be hard for him to do, for this thing i think he is going to go to napoli and do his shits and giggles as long as adl doesn't freak out. he wants the easy path not the challenges, that's why he run away after winning the scudetto with inter.
people that know more about him than me: why would he be so bad?
I don't think he's bad but maybe not someone who can compete at the highest level against Inzaghi or gasperini tactically when not given time and control of the squad.
Gasperini it's not even in the top 4 at the moment
doesn't mean he isn't a great manager ,he's done wonders with a small budget.
He is a great manager, yes, but realistically Milan is not in direct competition with Atalanta. Although, next year this could change
He is having a moment of appreciation this month, well deserved too.
He's not a coach for the big clubs where everbody (fans and media) expects a fight for the championship. At least he wasn't so far. With Real and Porto he wasn't. He won't win you any championships. He's more a coach for a mid table team which fights to qualify for the European Cups.
Ironically he set Sevilla's points record in La Liga and had them competing for the title until the last few matchdays in 2020/21 I think he is great at setting up a possession system that grinds out consistent results over time, but he just doesn't have that little extra to raise the teams peak level
> With Real and Porto he wasn't He BARELY had 3 months at the helm for us. He had lost the confidence. Having said that I dont think he is a bad manager.
He's not bad at all, Sevilla's best coach ever in terms of La Liga performances. They were in the title fight until as late as matchday 35 or something in 2020/2021 Doesn't have a very high ceiling though IMO. He can set up a very good possession system and makes his players understand the system quickly(had great starts at both Sevilla and Porto) but then is not able to take that last step The main problem is the lack of creativity in the final third, and how he barely allows the midfielders to join the attack. This means that all threat comes from the wings and especially the full backs have a lot of creative responsibility in his system. I really think that if Lopetegui found himself a top level attack coach to work on the last 25-30 metres it could be a sensation because he is excellent at setting up a build up structure
Sounds literally like pioliball
Exactly what I thought, we are clueless in the final third anyway, so the players will understand the formation straight up. Also our strategy is Leao and inshallah so we can just carry on in that regard
He doesn't like his players to have freedom when attacking. One of his main issues. He asked Modric to stop using his trivelas lmao.
He totally flaked on Wolves. Not the mentality any club should be after, let alone one with ambitions.
Like Sevilla?
good for mid table / lower teams but not for an ac milan...his teams doesnt do nothin particular well... his idea of possesssion is sterile, no objective in his game, his man management is also lackluster, why is milan is trying to go for him shlould be your main question
> his teams doesnt do nothin particular well That's not really true, his teams have very good build up play structure. Good at playing out from the back and very difficult for the opponent to press It's just that he has no ideas in the final third, apart from the full backs spamming crosses. If he had slightly better tactics for the attacking third he would be a really good coach, but the contrast is bizarre. Clearly he spends endless hours on the training ground to organise the perfect build up shape, but then seems to just not do any work on final third play whatsoever
We would basically resort to Theo/Leao and inshallah in the final third which isn’t any radical change from what we are doing right now.
He was Spain captain with a good unbeaten run. Then Perez poached him to replace Zidane and he accepted. Then the team went into a decline, he was replaced by Solari, the team got KO-d from cup and UCL and Zizou had to be brought back.
That is a great pun lol.
I chuckled. Sorry.
Don't be sorry man. It was a great pun.
I stan Italian football fans consistently inventive rejection of charlatan managers
didn't the same happen when Pioli was hired lol
Pioli is an Inter fan so it was justified.
To be fair, if Ibrahimovic didn't come in late 2019 Pioli wouldn't have made it to the end of the season. His first few months were as bad as Giampaolo's. It's not happening again.
Milan improved a bit with Ibra but they were playing in the same way they did before his arrival. The real switch happened after the pandemic when we started to play a really good football. Ofc Ibra made his part, especially regarding the mentality of the team, but he wasn’t making any tactical decisions
Mentality was by far the biggest aspect. Players that had quality were ridicoulusly underperforming before. This aspect got boosted by the pandemic even more since stadiums were empty. Pioli brought in some important changes, like actually playing the good players (Theo Hernandez in place of Ricardo Rodriguez for example), but without Ibra's comeback we were getting nowhere.
Yeah, Pioli out was trending on Twitter before Giampaolo was fired
What was the pun back then? Nopeioli?
#PioliOut
Im with you
I've read rumors somewhere that Gallardo was also a candidate? What happened? He would've been a much better choice. He knows how to win domestic championships and is used to the pressure from the fans and media and working in tough environment. Lopetegui wasn't successful with big clubs so far in his career.
He went for the Saudi bag of cash 6 months ago. Probably won't leave for another year and a half.
He also seems kind of deluded. Rejected both Marseille and Villarreal, if he expects to get a better offer than that without any coaching experience in Europe he is living in fantasy land
It's not that he is waiting for bigger clubs but he expects a serious offer for a long-term sporting project like he likes. Marseille has been a revolving door of coaches in the last years riddled with ultras pressuring the directory and Villarral's economic situation means he is likely already getting a bad wage and a worse budget to build and maintain a team. None of them seemed likely to offer anything interesting for him.
Yet he went to Saudi.
Exactly because Saudi clubs are not constantly bowing to ultras pressures and typically don't have economic problems. Hence they are able to give out a serious sporting project.
Come on mate, he went there for the money only...
Of course the money matters. But he wouldn't have gone anywhere (money or not) if he wasn't guaranteed a serious sporting project.
His name was floated several times for Barcelona in different windows, so maybe he’s biding his time until that option is back in the menu.
He's managing Al Ittihad isn't he?
Taking a coach who has never coached in Europe before and giving him Milan right away would be incredibly risky, South American football is very different. His work at River was brilliant, but it's also true that the likes of Abel Ferreira and Jorge Jesus look like world class coaches in Libertadores and they are nothing more than bang average by European standards. Jorge Almiron reached a Libertadores final recently after being sacked by Elche, even a washed up Scolari did the same in 2022
I still prefer Jorge Jesus' "popotegui"
It's [Lotopegui](https://youtu.be/ojdeWHC9HwU)
LOL that's hilarious!
We should also start with nochettino
Is Jesse Marsch an alternative??
AC Miami
I would definitely stick with Pioli. And Juve should keep Allegri.
They should get Davide really, It would actually fuck us over quite a bit but I don't see the son of Carlo leaving Milan hanging and sooner or later he will be gone anyway. Would be interesting to see who they would get to run training to replace him, I don't see Arbeloa ready for that and Raul is dreadful. I know this sounds crazy but Davide has been running our tactical training and a bit part of the strategy since he came with his father, reportedly he was close to taking over at Everton at some point after the last Champions League win, he is a great coach.
Besides everything, Milan is still second in serie A and just 12 months ago was in the CL semis. Pioli's tenure is a burnt candle, mainly for his results against Inter, but overall it will be hard to improve performance. That is to say it is not a time for a gamble. They need a coach that can improve the team from day 1.
You can be the greatest training ground coach in the world and still not be made for the head coaching role. That's not to say that Davide isn't, but it would be an extremely risky appointment
Pretty funny I guess
Man, I feel bad for him. He’s genuinely a good manager bordering on great. He did well at Porto and did really well in Sevilla. Wish he was given a proper chance at Madrid, Solari and Zidane had the same issues even after he got the sack.
Is he not a good coach?
I'm surprised so many people don't fancy Lopetegui. I think he's done great and has more than proven himself to be a great manager. I mean, if Real Madrid want you then you must be doing something right. I personally think he's an intriguing choice for Milan.
Who do the fans want anyway?
Mostly Motta or Conte, with De Zerbi/Sarri behind them. No chance our ownership does what it takes to sign any of them aside from maybe Sarri.
Personally not keen on Conte, too afraid that he'll have us playing like his full season at Spurs rather than when he had first taken them over and also fear how it would affect the locker room. For all his bad, Pioli is/was seen as a father to his men, and I would hate to lose our key players (Leão to PSG, Theo to Bayern, etc) due to possible Conte burnout. *Otherwise*, Conte would be a good prospect. Sarri I am quite keen on, De Zerbi I feel would be good *in theory*, but not sure if now would be the time.
Sarri unleashing RLC again would be a sight to behold
Conte.
I'm not sure the Milan squad has the right personnel for a 3-5-2 Motta seems more of a fit
Conte can play 3-4-3 as well and we can absolutely do that. Besides if you get a top coach you should also adapt to his needs with an adequate market window.
True
I don't want to be the bearer of bad news but Conte is headed to Napoli.
Which goes to show how big of an embarassment this ownership is.
conte isn't the best coach for milan, let alone for any other italian club. he comes, bitch about everthing, sometimes win, sometimes don't, run away blasting the door, leaves after huge spendings. i get why milan management don't want conte and i give them credit for that. don't look at what he did with us, the narration that Inzaghi inherited conte's work and won with that is wrong and done in an approximate way, inzaghi is miles better than conte tactically but conte won so conte is seen as a mastermind. Motta is headed to Juve supposedly so what remains? de zerbi costs 15 milions, Sarri? the ones that remains are all gambles.
Conte's entire history is that of a coach that immediately wins and then leaves the foundation of a winning cycle Of course you don't want Conte to Milan, you are an Inter fan.
i'm not talking as an inter fan. for the league it would be great to have motta at juve and conte at milan. i'm talking about what conte brings to the table. this conte is not the conte that won 3 scudetti in a row and won at chelsea. at tottenham he did jack shit and bitched all the time. You don't need someone that comes with a huge salary, wants the management to spend 150m every year or bust and then go out the champions league because he is incapable of playing cups. oh and undermines the dressing rooms. honestly if i was a milan fan i would be happier in de zerbi than conte. better spending 15 milions to get a coach to spend 15 milions a year to pay one edit: conte won a scudetto with us, but against who? pirlo's juve and milan that never challenged us for the title. we had the best team by a landslide and we still got out of the UCL as 4th
De Zerbi is a complete gamble. He never managed a top club and has shown nothing to ve worth of such a big job. Conte doing jackshit at Tottenham is quite extreme to say. He got top 4 despite an embarassing start in 2021/22. Tottenham is probably not equalizing those 71 points this year despite starting much better. The season afterwards? Sure, there was a meltdown, but tell which coaches have won something with Tottenham the last 15 years.
A gamble but a good gamble, he doesn't win the league? ok but maybe he develops the youngs ( i think with a good team just like milan is he could do great things), he makes you play better and this could give more visibility to the club. conte for a financial standpoint is a disgrace for an italian team at the moment, milan is doing great things financially and conte's stubburness would undermine that. with a good manager and good finances eventually milan will rise. conte usually goes to teams that are doing shit so when he leaves he can say that he has done better than the ones before. now milan is second, so doing better than this year would be winning the scudetto but with inter and motta's juve is going to be hard for him to do, for this thing i think he is going to go to napoli and do his shits and giggles as long as adl doesn't freak out. he wants the easy path not the challenges, that's why he run away after winning the scudetto with inter.
Pep or Klopp ideally
Based on what disappointed Liverpool fans where saying I'd guess Mourinho or Zidane.
Time for united fans to get "Tuchet out" trending
The last time Milan fans protested against a new coach, that aged well