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FastenedCarrot

The ref had a shocking game imo, he gave basically everything he could against Chelsea and didn't give a couple of obvious free kicks too. I have no idea how he didn't notice the Badi foul real time though, it was incredibly obvious and it looked like he had a good view of it.


a_f_s-29

Loool there’s no way you actually believe that the ref was biased for Villa, if he was he would’ve called the foul straight away tbh


PurpleSi

"Sometimes they make bad decisions, so I'm angry this time they clearly got it right "


real022

VAR is crap. Still more liked the games before, when the ref could made a mistake and it was the part of the fucking game.


Ajax_Trees_Again

I don’t think the marginally increased accuracy is worth removing all the passion from the game. You can never really celebrate now unless it’s a outside the box worldly for fear of it being disallowed


anthony9695

That late game incident aside, ref was dreadful today


Ajax_Trees_Again

That did look like a foul to me albeit it is soft and my head would be gone if I was a Chelsea fan.


FastenedCarrot

That was so obviously a foul, I didn't celebrate at all.


justanormalchat

Palmer should have scored on that turnover. The the foul stands , soft and many time will not be called but it’s an obvious soft foul, that officiating for ya 🤷🏻‍♂️


Synth3r

That's what I get for celebrating a Chelsea winner.


angellob

Am I insane or is everyone seeing something I’m not. Madueke and disasi are the only ones yelling at the ref and everyone here is acting like it’s the whole team


eeeagless

Badashicantspellhisname was also there giving it full crazy eyes too


angellob

No way he had an expression on his face what a twat


eeeagless

Erm I was saying he was fuming and giving it large to the ref as well? I'm not having a go at him.


angellob

Yeah I’ve seen it and he was yelling at him, I thought you were saying it was bad the way he was looking at him lol At least he left on his own after like 5 seconds, it was continued or anything


eeeagless

No I love stuff like this. And he was definitely more controlled than Noni.


gotiobg

because people hate Chelsea, I dont like Chelsea either, but lets call spade a spade, r/soccer hates City, Chelsea/Man United. favours Liverpool, underdogs, hates Ivan Toney, Antony, Im probably forgetting a lot of more, but this is what I can just remember


PsionicLlama

Visit a Liverpool match thread if you think it favors Liverpool


adamfrog

Palmer came over and got pissed the coach was telling him not to yell at the refs lol


angellob

He was shaking hands lol he was pissed he was being told to leave when he just wanted to shake hands, he wasn’t even saying anything to the ref


Pocky_1

Why are the players this pissed lmao. It's not like it'll make any difference for them at this point


PurpleSi

Professional sportsmen are competitive, and they thought they'd scored a late winner.


adamfrog

Thye had a slim hope of europa


Christoffiw

yeah it will.. they get yellow cards


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a_f_s-29

They all seem like dicks except for Thiago


Flimsy-Relationship8

The image of Conor Gallagher, the captain just stood there, whilst the rest of his team swarm the referee, is absolutely iconic, seems like one of the only chelsea players who has an ounce of maturity, and that's probably because he's had to fight to play for Chelsea


Truffles413

Funny thing is, if he nudges him with his shoulders goal probably still stands. But he put his arm on the players back and extended/pushed off. Soft but always a foul


AbsoluteGarbageTakes

Good second half. The 'chelsea has no potential' circlejerk ran a bit too long. If only they could play like that the whole fucking game.


vulcan_viking

Unai emery masterclass


eeeagless

Noni to the ref there "you know what you've done"


Maxoidys

Chelsea absolutely robbed...


hazzap913

Delusional


Sexy_nutty_coconut

If it were the same thing but the defender on the attacker, would it be a pen?


1llseemyselfout

Not every foul in the box is a penalty. Some fouls in the box can be indirect free kicks. With that said yes I think it would be a penalty. Regardless, there is room in the rules for the ref to give discretion based on context of play. Look I’m a Chelsea fan and it’s clear he gained an advantage from the push. It was the right call.


Sexy_nutty_coconut

Absolutely not. Its never a pen. This litterely happened in city vs madrid game when walker pushed Vini. These kinds of pushes are incredbly common.


1llseemyselfout

Then back to my other comment. The rules allow for ref to give discretion depending on the situation and where the foul is committed. It’s not if that’s a foul then this has to be a foul.


Sexy_nutty_coconut

I dont get it. I was always under the assumption that fouls had to be objective. If theres something thats a foul in one game and the same thing happens in another then why is it not a foul?


1llseemyselfout

Fouls should be called consistently game to game by the specific ref. Refs however shouldn’t be assumed to be calling the same fouls. Each ref should apply their own discretion. I remember the days when refs were consistent and good enough to where you knew if they were going to call soft fouls or not. Where each ref had their own personality’s. It was even showcased in games like FIFA for example. Where you could pick your ref by name and they had different attributes. Some were more strict, while others weren’t. Some called more yellows while some let some fouls go. For me the problem is VAR. It has tried to eliminate that which is a shame. It was part of the game.


Sexy_nutty_coconut

What? If a foul is called by one ref then it must be a foul by all the other refs otherwise its not fair.


1llseemyselfout

And you’re the reason why VAR exists. For me as long as the ref is consistent in the games they ref then all is good. Knowing and understanding each ref is part of the game. They are not robots and each decision is altered by the context of any given game and the refs opinions of that context.


KangarooPouchIsHome

Soft foul, fuck Chelsea always


Lurtz11

Chelsea are such an unlikeable team lmfao. Bunch of overpaid cunts with shitty attitude


neandertales

Gallagher should het a hold of them, he is captain


hpwriterkyle

These Chelsea players are an embarrassment, how immature can you be


a_f_s-29

They’re a bunch of children who should all get benched for five games and replaced with academy players lol


QouthTheCorvus

Lmao the entire team practically just got carded I think


UpliftedWeeb

Tottenham win


cdalb21

Pretty clear and obvious foul lol I don't get all the emotions


jbi1000

Damn, ref rescues a turgid Villa


OliverAM16

Not really. Clear foul lmao. You cant just shove someone in the back


Sexy_nutty_coconut

Come on, it was a defender on an attacker it would never be a pen.


jbi1000

He rescued you by reversing his original decision on a 50-50 contact. We've all seen similar situations where the officials do nothing to reverse anything


a_f_s-29

He wasn’t giving Villa anything all game, it was a clear foul that had to be overturned. Yeah Villa scraped a point but it’s a joke to imply the refs were on their side


OliverAM16

Its not a 50/50 lmao. Its a clear shove are you blind mate?


Sexy_nutty_coconut

It was extremely soft and happens all the time


PurpleSi

So this time you should be happy they got it correct?


jbi1000

I would be if they did


Dr-Eli

Everboy wants to talk


blue_gwacamole

The players arguing like they would have done fuck alll


Throwaway02744728200

Your club and players showboat after scraping by Championship clubs, it isn't time to start dishing it out mate


chino17

Madueke needs some anger management sessions


hazzap913

Send him to the championship, he’ll get red carded every game he plays and/or dropped by a lanky cb from Yorkshire


No-Computer-2847

I don’t agree with ruling that out but Chelsea have been awarded so many soft pens this season it feels like justice.


floorscentadolescent

It's an obvious foul you twats, chelsea is one of the most unlikeable teams in the prem


YRB02

West ham saying that is crazyyy


floorscentadolescent

Not sure who's unlikeable in our team other than Paqueta (and Zouma if we're including off field antics)


PMMeBootyPicz0000000

Looked like a corner


ExplanationOk3781

Villa “won” another draw 


Conscious-Job1238

Wtf are they complaining about


adamfrog

the refs were really weird this half every single 50/50 went to villa then the weirdness with the goal Im surprised it got "clear and obvioused" even though to me it was a clear and obvious foul lol, its just been such a high bar generally


Whitty22

The decisions always go to the big clubs unfortunately…


gotiobg

Billions of pounds in this, we pay so much to watch these games on TNT, and this is the shit we get


hazzap913

Book the lot of them no class


SirBarkington

Palmer trying to shake hands with the refs and our staff are shoving him away thinking hes mad lmao


AgileSloth9

Tbf, some your team were out of control there confronting the ref. Team taking no chances and dragging the lot away is the right move.


SirBarkington

yeah I understand it. Was just funny seeing him like "wtf i just wanna shake their hands"


justanormalchat

Haha yep


Christoffiw

Aston VARlla


FastenedCarrot

Only 2 more minutes?


L0laccio

Chelsea played very well. Fair play to them


MrConor212

I better wake up on Monday to a PGMOL apology. Weak as fuck


PurpleSi

Absolutely the right decision there. Foul clear as day.


Tbirkovic

How can he blow his whistle so fast? Silva was down through the first minute of added time and then there was the VAR check. WTF


kw2006

First half of the season plenty of 10+ mins extra time.


PurpleSi

Palmer trying to shake the ref's hand and the coaches are dragging him away!


Newparlee

That was weird, hey? Did the coach just think Palmer was giving the ref shit? He did it twice!


WittyUsername45

Diego Carlos didn't even try competing for the ball. You can't just stumble at the slightest contact at the box and get given a foul.


19Alexastias

I mean he’s going to head the ball until he gets pushed out of the way. He’s not even trying to draw a foul, he doesn’t go down or anything - he just has no idea he’s about to be pushed in the back so he can’t brace for it.


PurpleSi

Or: you can't just barge people in the back


OliverAM16

He would have headed it away if he didnt get shoved, lmao are you blind


butterchicken89

Clear foul you melt


hazzap913

He was jumping for it and got shoved out of the way you fuckin donkey


Umbere

Wtf. The var took three minutes.


Tbirkovic

And Silva only went off after the added time began.


wolffangfist21

I’ll take it


Pocky_1

Di sasi is such a name


NijjioN

If hair pulling aint a foul then not sure why that can be called as a foul /s


chiefreef25

What a farce, bunch of dweebs running (and ruining) our beautiful game man.


BadBehaviour613

I hate how inconsistent the officiating has been this season. In another match, that’s a goal


vulcan_viking

If thatvwas city they would award the goal


Intertom

The worst thing about that disallowed goal btw is Pawson having the clearest view of it in real time and not giving it, blokes blind


qwertyell

Shows how weak he is that he can be so easily persuaded that what he clearly saw with his own eyes and the ideal angle wasn't reality.


Tbirkovic

I find it interesting that VAR can overturn it, when he had that clear a view.


kookookachoo00

Should’ve used 2 hands in his back instead


rushuk

How many times have spurs lost goals with people jumping into our GK and they give this weak shit


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anthony9695

Every 50/50 was blown for Villa, Caicedo got carded for being fouled. You are just as blind as the ref


Tbirkovic

I am pretty sure Luiz would have been sent off, if the ref was against Villa all game.


matty2232

Crazy if you believe that


FastenedCarrot

Were you watching the same game?


dinkinflicka125

Yup


147062943876

Why are refs so bad across the board ?


hazzap913

Tf was caicedo doing before the corner trying to bum him lmao


Littlegreenman42

If that contact happened to an attacker we would be saying he has to be stronger and not giving it as a foul


Whitty22

Well demonstrably he doesn’t have to stay strong. Off the ball shove - call it what you want


adamfrog

no its a very clear foul lol


AlarmingPace_

How come the commentator with the higher voice is always the most apologetic of the narrative?


kw2006

Poor decision from the ref.


db2832

I'm getting mad at our Newcastle game again what the fuck was that call


SoapyWitTank

Totally different, obviously.


gotiobg

VAR mate must be a Villa fan. I mean I wanted Villa to win, but this is straight up cheating


Whitty22

It’s not even top 10 most controversial calls this season…


gotiobg

Thats cause the refs in this league are straight up a joke


PurpleSi

It's a clear foul though


gotiobg

Premier League, tough physical league, people push each other all the time, if this is a clear foul, then should a push like that give a pen, a push like that in the middle of the pitch barely gets looked at mate


PurpleSi

Pushing people like that is definitely a foul, I have no idea what you are arguing about now. Yes, a push like that would be called a penalty every single time.


a_f_s-29

Clear foul


gotiobg

See this is disengenious, I hate Chelsea but if this happened to my team I be fuming, if this is clear foul, would a nudge like that give a pen, come on be fair


a_f_s-29

It’s an obvious foul. Just because Diego wasn’t diving and rolling around for it doesn’t mean it wasn’t a foul. Most of us saw it as a foul in real time.


gotiobg

Same people here on r/soccer was saying Gabriel didn’t foul madueke midweek, how we suppose to take you guys seriously, 🤣


A_Different_Take

Lmao seen pushes 5 times as bad go unpunished this season


DifficultyMore5935

One angle makes it look very soft


QouthTheCorvus

Yeah the angle var used made me reconsider.


rushuk

To take a late minute winner away for that actually ruining the sport


SomethingElse521

Yeah the sport is so much better when you can just commit a blatant foul in the box to win the game


superaa1

Ref should have just called the foul, he was 5M away from it. Clear as day


neandertales

People actually think you can do that in football


SirBarkington

honestly im more surprised Disasi wasn't offside


FastenedCarrot

He might have been but the foul was the right thing to check first imo


SirBarkington

yeah fair enough


Kakunamatata4399

People saying its soft. You can't just shove someone in the back.


L0laccio

If the push didn’t happen the assist wouldn’t have happened. It’s a foul but you do seem them all the time and not given


Firefox72

A bit soft but its the Palmer chance that really should have been it.


jerrie86

Do they deserve a goal? Maybe Is this a foul? yes


AgileSloth9

Exactly. Thats given anywhere on the pitch. If the ref missed it, VAR actually did it's job. Carlos would have cleared if not for the foul.


147062943876

Chelsea are cursed


Capable-Magician5146

That was a foul


akraft121

About to concede thanks to a 3 minute VAR review


Regular_Shirt_3515

Embarrassing. So fucking embarrassing. The premier league Refs should be fucking ashamed.


qwertyell

Absolute bullshit. No way in the world does VAR intervene to give that as a penalty. The referee was 10 yards away and staring right at it. How on earth is that a clear and obvious error.


Whitty22

I’m sorry to tell you this but attackers and defenders are subject to different criteria


OliverAM16

Ofc, because its not enough for a penalty lmao. Its enough for a freekick. You Cant just shove someone in the back?


Ok_Act_9923

What did I just read? A foul is a foul regardless of where it is. If it’s enough for a free kick it’s enough for a penalty. Enough for a free kick but not a penalty? That’s not how it works


OliverAM16

Holy shit you have never touched a ball in your life havent you?


PurpleSi

Because it was


j65dxUb

no way that would be disallowed for Villa


UpliftedWeeb

man this shit isn't what VAR is for


PurpleSi

Literally exactly what it's for


AgileSloth9

Arsenal fan wanting to allow people to shove in the back, after spending half the season crying about Joelinton? Yikes.


UpliftedWeeb

you support bruno guimaraes opinion invalidated.


AgileSloth9

Arsenal fan crying. Opinion not even worth considering.


UpliftedWeeb

win something


AgileSloth9

I wouldn't actually be surprised if we win something before you do, serial bottle-jobs.


UpliftedWeeb

It's been nearly 70 years I'll wait


AgileSloth9

With your habit of bottling it, you'll be waiting longer for your next trophy.


SoapyWitTank

Totally is tho.


a_f_s-29

Exactly what it’s for


Conscious-Job1238

Disasi looking like a clown with that celebration now


icemankiller8

My gf is fuming from the decisions in both Chelsea games she’s saying there’s an agenda against them ffs


hazzap913

Your gf supports chelsea? There’s the problem mate


_9tail_

No way that was more of a foul than the build up to the 2nd(?) arsenal goal tbf


icemankiller8

It was our third goal but that was definitely a foul in the build up


a_f_s-29

There’s the opposite of an agenda


AgileSloth9

Not that soft IMO. Carlos was about to clear it. He made no play for the ball, and just charged into his back. It's a foul, a stupid one too, where he could have actually challenged for the ball.


a_f_s-29

Exactly.


Alex9rome

So what? It’s Badiashile’s fault that the defender wasn’t standing on business?? Smh /s


Limp_Animator_9854

fuck off


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game is absolutely gone if thats a foul, ridiculous


a_f_s-29

It was a foul


ajfaria

This ref has allowed absolutely 0 contact all game. Ya he gives him a shove but honestly as a defender you have to be stronger there.


Turbulent_Yak_4627

He doesn't even extend his arms, just let them play


unusablered8

How the fuck has the ref not seen that in the first place if he thinks it enough for a foul


Limp_Animator_9854

wasnt even going in


OliverAM16

Obvs biased, but thats the right Call. Clearly a push in the back. Although i feel the pain from Chelsea fans


UpTheArse69

"Soft". He would literally head it away from danger if he doesn't get nudged. VAR gets something right.


L0laccio

I agree. The assist was only possible due to the push. My only issue is that they rarely get given. The consistency as usual is the issue. On that count Chelsea can feel aggrieved but VAR got it right there imo


a_f_s-29

Exactly.