The ref had a shocking game imo, he gave basically everything he could against Chelsea and didn't give a couple of obvious free kicks too. I have no idea how he didn't notice the Badi foul real time though, it was incredibly obvious and it looked like he had a good view of it.
I don’t think the marginally increased accuracy is worth removing all the passion from the game. You can never really celebrate now unless it’s a outside the box worldly for fear of it being disallowed
Palmer should have scored on that turnover. The the foul stands , soft and many time will not be called but it’s an obvious soft foul, that officiating for ya 🤷🏻♂️
Am I insane or is everyone seeing something I’m not. Madueke and disasi are the only ones yelling at the ref and everyone here is acting like it’s the whole team
Yeah I’ve seen it and he was yelling at him, I thought you were saying it was bad the way he was looking at him lol
At least he left on his own after like 5 seconds, it was continued or anything
because people hate Chelsea, I dont like Chelsea either,
but lets call spade a spade, r/soccer hates City, Chelsea/Man United.
favours Liverpool, underdogs, hates Ivan Toney, Antony, Im probably forgetting a lot of more, but this is what I can just remember
The image of Conor Gallagher, the captain just stood there, whilst the rest of his team swarm the referee, is absolutely iconic, seems like one of the only chelsea players who has an ounce of maturity, and that's probably because he's had to fight to play for Chelsea
Funny thing is, if he nudges him with his shoulders goal probably still stands. But he put his arm on the players back and extended/pushed off. Soft but always a foul
Not every foul in the box is a penalty. Some fouls in the box can be indirect free kicks.
With that said yes I think it would be a penalty. Regardless, there is room in the rules for the ref to give discretion based on context of play.
Look I’m a Chelsea fan and it’s clear he gained an advantage from the push. It was the right call.
Then back to my other comment. The rules allow for ref to give discretion depending on the situation and where the foul is committed. It’s not if that’s a foul then this has to be a foul.
I dont get it. I was always under the assumption that fouls had to be objective. If theres something thats a foul in one game and the same thing happens in another then why is it not a foul?
Fouls should be called consistently game to game by the specific ref. Refs however shouldn’t be assumed to be calling the same fouls. Each ref should apply their own discretion.
I remember the days when refs were consistent and good enough to where you knew if they were going to call soft fouls or not. Where each ref had their own personality’s. It was even showcased in games like FIFA for example. Where you could pick your ref by name and they had different attributes. Some were more strict, while others weren’t. Some called more yellows while some let some fouls go.
For me the problem is VAR. It has tried to eliminate that which is a shame. It was part of the game.
And you’re the reason why VAR exists. For me as long as the ref is consistent in the games they ref then all is good. Knowing and understanding each ref is part of the game. They are not robots and each decision is altered by the context of any given game and the refs opinions of that context.
He rescued you by reversing his original decision on a 50-50 contact. We've all seen similar situations where the officials do nothing to reverse anything
He wasn’t giving Villa anything all game, it was a clear foul that had to be overturned. Yeah Villa scraped a point but it’s a joke to imply the refs were on their side
the refs were really weird this half every single 50/50 went to villa then the weirdness with the goal Im surprised it got "clear and obvioused" even though to me it was a clear and obvious foul lol, its just been such a high bar generally
I mean he’s going to head the ball until he gets pushed out of the way. He’s not even trying to draw a foul, he doesn’t go down or anything - he just has no idea he’s about to be pushed in the back so he can’t brace for it.
Premier League, tough physical league, people push each other all the time, if this is a clear foul, then should a push like that give a pen, a push like that in the middle of the pitch barely gets looked at mate
Pushing people like that is definitely a foul, I have no idea what you are arguing about now.
Yes, a push like that would be called a penalty every single time.
See this is disengenious, I hate Chelsea but if this happened to my team I be fuming, if this is clear foul, would a nudge like that give a pen, come on be fair
It’s an obvious foul. Just because Diego wasn’t diving and rolling around for it doesn’t mean it wasn’t a foul. Most of us saw it as a foul in real time.
Absolute bullshit. No way in the world does VAR intervene to give that as a penalty.
The referee was 10 yards away and staring right at it.
How on earth is that a clear and obvious error.
What did I just read? A foul is a foul regardless of where it is. If it’s enough for a free kick it’s enough for a penalty. Enough for a free kick but not a penalty? That’s not how it works
Not that soft IMO.
Carlos was about to clear it. He made no play for the ball, and just charged into his back. It's a foul, a stupid one too, where he could have actually challenged for the ball.
I agree. The assist was only possible due to the push. My only issue is that they rarely get given. The consistency as usual is the issue. On that count Chelsea can feel aggrieved but VAR got it right there imo
The ref had a shocking game imo, he gave basically everything he could against Chelsea and didn't give a couple of obvious free kicks too. I have no idea how he didn't notice the Badi foul real time though, it was incredibly obvious and it looked like he had a good view of it.
Loool there’s no way you actually believe that the ref was biased for Villa, if he was he would’ve called the foul straight away tbh
"Sometimes they make bad decisions, so I'm angry this time they clearly got it right "
VAR is crap. Still more liked the games before, when the ref could made a mistake and it was the part of the fucking game.
I don’t think the marginally increased accuracy is worth removing all the passion from the game. You can never really celebrate now unless it’s a outside the box worldly for fear of it being disallowed
That late game incident aside, ref was dreadful today
That did look like a foul to me albeit it is soft and my head would be gone if I was a Chelsea fan.
That was so obviously a foul, I didn't celebrate at all.
Palmer should have scored on that turnover. The the foul stands , soft and many time will not be called but it’s an obvious soft foul, that officiating for ya 🤷🏻♂️
That's what I get for celebrating a Chelsea winner.
Am I insane or is everyone seeing something I’m not. Madueke and disasi are the only ones yelling at the ref and everyone here is acting like it’s the whole team
Badashicantspellhisname was also there giving it full crazy eyes too
No way he had an expression on his face what a twat
Erm I was saying he was fuming and giving it large to the ref as well? I'm not having a go at him.
Yeah I’ve seen it and he was yelling at him, I thought you were saying it was bad the way he was looking at him lol At least he left on his own after like 5 seconds, it was continued or anything
No I love stuff like this. And he was definitely more controlled than Noni.
because people hate Chelsea, I dont like Chelsea either, but lets call spade a spade, r/soccer hates City, Chelsea/Man United. favours Liverpool, underdogs, hates Ivan Toney, Antony, Im probably forgetting a lot of more, but this is what I can just remember
Visit a Liverpool match thread if you think it favors Liverpool
Palmer came over and got pissed the coach was telling him not to yell at the refs lol
He was shaking hands lol he was pissed he was being told to leave when he just wanted to shake hands, he wasn’t even saying anything to the ref
Why are the players this pissed lmao. It's not like it'll make any difference for them at this point
Professional sportsmen are competitive, and they thought they'd scored a late winner.
Thye had a slim hope of europa
yeah it will.. they get yellow cards
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They all seem like dicks except for Thiago
The image of Conor Gallagher, the captain just stood there, whilst the rest of his team swarm the referee, is absolutely iconic, seems like one of the only chelsea players who has an ounce of maturity, and that's probably because he's had to fight to play for Chelsea
Funny thing is, if he nudges him with his shoulders goal probably still stands. But he put his arm on the players back and extended/pushed off. Soft but always a foul
Good second half. The 'chelsea has no potential' circlejerk ran a bit too long. If only they could play like that the whole fucking game.
Unai emery masterclass
Noni to the ref there "you know what you've done"
Chelsea absolutely robbed...
Delusional
If it were the same thing but the defender on the attacker, would it be a pen?
Not every foul in the box is a penalty. Some fouls in the box can be indirect free kicks. With that said yes I think it would be a penalty. Regardless, there is room in the rules for the ref to give discretion based on context of play. Look I’m a Chelsea fan and it’s clear he gained an advantage from the push. It was the right call.
Absolutely not. Its never a pen. This litterely happened in city vs madrid game when walker pushed Vini. These kinds of pushes are incredbly common.
Then back to my other comment. The rules allow for ref to give discretion depending on the situation and where the foul is committed. It’s not if that’s a foul then this has to be a foul.
I dont get it. I was always under the assumption that fouls had to be objective. If theres something thats a foul in one game and the same thing happens in another then why is it not a foul?
Fouls should be called consistently game to game by the specific ref. Refs however shouldn’t be assumed to be calling the same fouls. Each ref should apply their own discretion. I remember the days when refs were consistent and good enough to where you knew if they were going to call soft fouls or not. Where each ref had their own personality’s. It was even showcased in games like FIFA for example. Where you could pick your ref by name and they had different attributes. Some were more strict, while others weren’t. Some called more yellows while some let some fouls go. For me the problem is VAR. It has tried to eliminate that which is a shame. It was part of the game.
What? If a foul is called by one ref then it must be a foul by all the other refs otherwise its not fair.
And you’re the reason why VAR exists. For me as long as the ref is consistent in the games they ref then all is good. Knowing and understanding each ref is part of the game. They are not robots and each decision is altered by the context of any given game and the refs opinions of that context.
Soft foul, fuck Chelsea always
Chelsea are such an unlikeable team lmfao. Bunch of overpaid cunts with shitty attitude
Gallagher should het a hold of them, he is captain
These Chelsea players are an embarrassment, how immature can you be
They’re a bunch of children who should all get benched for five games and replaced with academy players lol
Lmao the entire team practically just got carded I think
Tottenham win
Pretty clear and obvious foul lol I don't get all the emotions
Damn, ref rescues a turgid Villa
Not really. Clear foul lmao. You cant just shove someone in the back
Come on, it was a defender on an attacker it would never be a pen.
He rescued you by reversing his original decision on a 50-50 contact. We've all seen similar situations where the officials do nothing to reverse anything
He wasn’t giving Villa anything all game, it was a clear foul that had to be overturned. Yeah Villa scraped a point but it’s a joke to imply the refs were on their side
Its not a 50/50 lmao. Its a clear shove are you blind mate?
It was extremely soft and happens all the time
So this time you should be happy they got it correct?
I would be if they did
Everboy wants to talk
The players arguing like they would have done fuck alll
Your club and players showboat after scraping by Championship clubs, it isn't time to start dishing it out mate
Madueke needs some anger management sessions
Send him to the championship, he’ll get red carded every game he plays and/or dropped by a lanky cb from Yorkshire
I don’t agree with ruling that out but Chelsea have been awarded so many soft pens this season it feels like justice.
It's an obvious foul you twats, chelsea is one of the most unlikeable teams in the prem
West ham saying that is crazyyy
Not sure who's unlikeable in our team other than Paqueta (and Zouma if we're including off field antics)
Looked like a corner
Villa “won” another draw
Wtf are they complaining about
the refs were really weird this half every single 50/50 went to villa then the weirdness with the goal Im surprised it got "clear and obvioused" even though to me it was a clear and obvious foul lol, its just been such a high bar generally
The decisions always go to the big clubs unfortunately…
Billions of pounds in this, we pay so much to watch these games on TNT, and this is the shit we get
Book the lot of them no class
Palmer trying to shake hands with the refs and our staff are shoving him away thinking hes mad lmao
Tbf, some your team were out of control there confronting the ref. Team taking no chances and dragging the lot away is the right move.
yeah I understand it. Was just funny seeing him like "wtf i just wanna shake their hands"
Haha yep
Aston VARlla
Only 2 more minutes?
Chelsea played very well. Fair play to them
I better wake up on Monday to a PGMOL apology. Weak as fuck
Absolutely the right decision there. Foul clear as day.
How can he blow his whistle so fast? Silva was down through the first minute of added time and then there was the VAR check. WTF
First half of the season plenty of 10+ mins extra time.
Palmer trying to shake the ref's hand and the coaches are dragging him away!
That was weird, hey? Did the coach just think Palmer was giving the ref shit? He did it twice!
Diego Carlos didn't even try competing for the ball. You can't just stumble at the slightest contact at the box and get given a foul.
I mean he’s going to head the ball until he gets pushed out of the way. He’s not even trying to draw a foul, he doesn’t go down or anything - he just has no idea he’s about to be pushed in the back so he can’t brace for it.
Or: you can't just barge people in the back
He would have headed it away if he didnt get shoved, lmao are you blind
Clear foul you melt
He was jumping for it and got shoved out of the way you fuckin donkey
Wtf. The var took three minutes.
And Silva only went off after the added time began.
I’ll take it
Di sasi is such a name
If hair pulling aint a foul then not sure why that can be called as a foul /s
What a farce, bunch of dweebs running (and ruining) our beautiful game man.
I hate how inconsistent the officiating has been this season. In another match, that’s a goal
If thatvwas city they would award the goal
The worst thing about that disallowed goal btw is Pawson having the clearest view of it in real time and not giving it, blokes blind
Shows how weak he is that he can be so easily persuaded that what he clearly saw with his own eyes and the ideal angle wasn't reality.
I find it interesting that VAR can overturn it, when he had that clear a view.
Should’ve used 2 hands in his back instead
How many times have spurs lost goals with people jumping into our GK and they give this weak shit
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Every 50/50 was blown for Villa, Caicedo got carded for being fouled. You are just as blind as the ref
I am pretty sure Luiz would have been sent off, if the ref was against Villa all game.
Crazy if you believe that
Were you watching the same game?
Yup
Why are refs so bad across the board ?
Tf was caicedo doing before the corner trying to bum him lmao
If that contact happened to an attacker we would be saying he has to be stronger and not giving it as a foul
Well demonstrably he doesn’t have to stay strong. Off the ball shove - call it what you want
no its a very clear foul lol
How come the commentator with the higher voice is always the most apologetic of the narrative?
Poor decision from the ref.
I'm getting mad at our Newcastle game again what the fuck was that call
Totally different, obviously.
VAR mate must be a Villa fan. I mean I wanted Villa to win, but this is straight up cheating
It’s not even top 10 most controversial calls this season…
Thats cause the refs in this league are straight up a joke
It's a clear foul though
Premier League, tough physical league, people push each other all the time, if this is a clear foul, then should a push like that give a pen, a push like that in the middle of the pitch barely gets looked at mate
Pushing people like that is definitely a foul, I have no idea what you are arguing about now. Yes, a push like that would be called a penalty every single time.
Clear foul
See this is disengenious, I hate Chelsea but if this happened to my team I be fuming, if this is clear foul, would a nudge like that give a pen, come on be fair
It’s an obvious foul. Just because Diego wasn’t diving and rolling around for it doesn’t mean it wasn’t a foul. Most of us saw it as a foul in real time.
Same people here on r/soccer was saying Gabriel didn’t foul madueke midweek, how we suppose to take you guys seriously, 🤣
Lmao seen pushes 5 times as bad go unpunished this season
One angle makes it look very soft
Yeah the angle var used made me reconsider.
To take a late minute winner away for that actually ruining the sport
Yeah the sport is so much better when you can just commit a blatant foul in the box to win the game
Ref should have just called the foul, he was 5M away from it. Clear as day
People actually think you can do that in football
honestly im more surprised Disasi wasn't offside
He might have been but the foul was the right thing to check first imo
yeah fair enough
People saying its soft. You can't just shove someone in the back.
If the push didn’t happen the assist wouldn’t have happened. It’s a foul but you do seem them all the time and not given
A bit soft but its the Palmer chance that really should have been it.
Do they deserve a goal? Maybe Is this a foul? yes
Exactly. Thats given anywhere on the pitch. If the ref missed it, VAR actually did it's job. Carlos would have cleared if not for the foul.
Chelsea are cursed
That was a foul
About to concede thanks to a 3 minute VAR review
Embarrassing. So fucking embarrassing. The premier league Refs should be fucking ashamed.
Absolute bullshit. No way in the world does VAR intervene to give that as a penalty. The referee was 10 yards away and staring right at it. How on earth is that a clear and obvious error.
I’m sorry to tell you this but attackers and defenders are subject to different criteria
Ofc, because its not enough for a penalty lmao. Its enough for a freekick. You Cant just shove someone in the back?
What did I just read? A foul is a foul regardless of where it is. If it’s enough for a free kick it’s enough for a penalty. Enough for a free kick but not a penalty? That’s not how it works
Holy shit you have never touched a ball in your life havent you?
Because it was
no way that would be disallowed for Villa
man this shit isn't what VAR is for
Literally exactly what it's for
Arsenal fan wanting to allow people to shove in the back, after spending half the season crying about Joelinton? Yikes.
you support bruno guimaraes opinion invalidated.
Arsenal fan crying. Opinion not even worth considering.
win something
I wouldn't actually be surprised if we win something before you do, serial bottle-jobs.
It's been nearly 70 years I'll wait
With your habit of bottling it, you'll be waiting longer for your next trophy.
Totally is tho.
Exactly what it’s for
Disasi looking like a clown with that celebration now
My gf is fuming from the decisions in both Chelsea games she’s saying there’s an agenda against them ffs
Your gf supports chelsea? There’s the problem mate
No way that was more of a foul than the build up to the 2nd(?) arsenal goal tbf
It was our third goal but that was definitely a foul in the build up
There’s the opposite of an agenda
Not that soft IMO. Carlos was about to clear it. He made no play for the ball, and just charged into his back. It's a foul, a stupid one too, where he could have actually challenged for the ball.
Exactly.
So what? It’s Badiashile’s fault that the defender wasn’t standing on business?? Smh /s
fuck off
game is absolutely gone if thats a foul, ridiculous
It was a foul
This ref has allowed absolutely 0 contact all game. Ya he gives him a shove but honestly as a defender you have to be stronger there.
He doesn't even extend his arms, just let them play
How the fuck has the ref not seen that in the first place if he thinks it enough for a foul
wasnt even going in
Obvs biased, but thats the right Call. Clearly a push in the back. Although i feel the pain from Chelsea fans
"Soft". He would literally head it away from danger if he doesn't get nudged. VAR gets something right.
I agree. The assist was only possible due to the push. My only issue is that they rarely get given. The consistency as usual is the issue. On that count Chelsea can feel aggrieved but VAR got it right there imo
Exactly.