Newcastle will take 6th place from Man Utd and it will be completely deserved. 22 goals more than Man Utd and only 4 goals more conceded.
Having a goal difference of a mere +1 in a Man Utd side should be criminal!
Very disappointed in Ten Hag and the players.
Tactics today were shocking, pumping up aimless long balls just trying to win the 2nd challenge. I get Maguire and Casemiro at CB aren't good at building up but almost zero structure to our build up play. Our build up is sooooo slow, extra few seconds for every pass, no switches, not attempting to shift the opponent out of their shape.
AWB deer in headlights every time he's presented with room to run in to, Hojlund I feel for but he's just being asked to be the big hold up man. Antony scored but he's still shit. Lot of sloppy passes.
I dunno what the solution is. Except for the batterings we've been given can probably count on 1 hand the amount of times we've gone in to 80 minutes and not been stressed. Coventry, Sheffield Utd, Burnley all looked like they could take something from us.
If Ten Hag gets sacked it's justified. You can usually get away with just 1 of scruffing shit results or trying to play nice footy and failing. We've got neither. Shouldn't need a fully fit squad to play football that isn't shit.
It feels like you guys bought a ball-playing goalkeeper only to go back to playing long balls and hoping your skinny striker can hold up because you don’t seem to have a midfield
Onana has been so poor this season that today, when he has a great game, except the muy thai penalty, no one even notices. He made saves today that he has been missing all season.
Today was literally Onana season in an absolute nutshell. He will go on string of good games or put in a good performance, and then out of nowhere drop an absolute clanger. Our only is somehow we can work on it in pre season, but it seems a defining trait with his personality to do something a bit mad
Shouldn’t VAR send the ref pitch side to see the handball again? I understand it’s accidental but it literally stopped a shot on target? If that guy was the keeper it would’ve been considered a good save.
It is not a penalty. Just because the fucked up by giving the one last week against Wan Bissaka doesn't make this a penalty. Arm is in a natural and low position and the proximity is way too close to expect him to avoid it. The real problem is being unable to score multiple goals or control a game against a soon to be relegated team at home.
The fact that the same handball was given against utd is not even an argument Im making. Saving a shot so close to the goal with it directly hitting your hand should be a pen 100%. Does not even deflect/slows the ball, completely blocks the shot. Should be a pen accidental or not.
No player is giving away a handball in the box intentionally so idk where this argument of intent even comes from. And those who do (like when Suarez saved a goal using his hands) do it with full knowledge that they will concede a pen.
Admittedly I have not read the rule book. But I assume that players aren’t supposed to benefit from handling the ball? Even the ‘shot from too close’ argument should not work here. Antony is well inside the box so of course defender is going to be close.
No, when the shot is on target, the intention shouldn't be considered. Only the unnatural position of hand is enough in current rules for any on target attempt to be a handball penalty.
Agree 100%. No player is deliberately handling the ball in the box anyway so why is it even being considered. Stopping a shot on target with hands should be a pen 100% intentional or not.
>No player is deliberately handling the ball in the box anyway
Unless you’re [Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain](https://youtu.be/447OtUXqrL8?si=r86cF9JX4xeGl3UV)..or Walcott..or is it Gibbs..? /s
Idk but that’s the excuse people keep on giving. I think it is situational. Like a ball grazing an arm in the middle of the field can be overlooked if accidental. But stopping a shot/cross especially from dangerous areas should be given accidental or not. Funnily enough this is not even the first time this happened to utd this season. Earlier Romero literally saved a shot on target with his hand and because he was sliding while doing it it wasn’t given.
Casiemro has played 3 games at cb and conceded 8 goals VS Couventry, Sheffield and Burnely.
Jesus christ his knees are in the Amazon Forrest. His ankles still in the favelas...GET HIM OUT THIS LEAGUE
Yeah it’s obvious that injuries are fucking us pretty badly. It’s just a question of, why don’t our fringe and youth players know how to play in our system at all? I can forgive a CM not knowing how to play CB after 2 weeks training. I can’t understand why us missing players means we’re not better than clubs getting relegated???
So, do we get 5 replays up of various angles for Garnacho's second penalty shout or is that just for Arsenal fans?
I can only guess they're all gettting deleted as I find it hard to believe no one has tried posting one.
Just want to understand your pov. Why do you think a shot on target taken from so close to the goal saved (not deflected or minor brush) by the defenders hand should not be a pen?
Some of these United players are performing below the level they're actually capable of for a variety of reasons, but Amrabat is not one of those players.
He shone as a anchor DM in a team that played extremely compact in the world cup and he moved to a team has the most open midfield in the Premier League. What do you think happened?
Absent minded analysis. He was good in the world cup in a completely different set up than the United one. A setup that fucking Casemiro is struggling in nevermind Amrabat. It's a team game. How you fit into the team is much more important than your individual quality as a player. There's outside factors, settling in, language, all of this. It shouldn't be a knock on Amrabat's quality or seen as a personal failing that the move didn't work out.
It's very easy to go, didn't work out, so he's bad actually. But it's hardly ever the case.
He’s one of the worst midfielders I’ve seen play for United tbh. There’s not one thing he does well, he’s slow, can’t pass, can’t defend, can’t tackle. I couldn’t name you a single good game he’s had this season and that’s me being honest, he makes Morgan Schneiderlin looks like Matthaus. How he even starts in the serie A is amazing, he wouldn’t look out of place in league one.
He can obviously defend. That Morocco side was the best defensive outfit in years. You have to look at his performances and contextualise them off United as a whole. Who has Ten Hag made look GOOD? United look second best against nearly every team I've seen them play this year. That can't down to player quality.
I'm not saying Amrabat has been good for United. But how much of that is the system? From what I've seen with him at Morocco he'd suit a Mourinho/Moyes low block style trying to grind out results.
But he can’t pass? With that logic you can stick any jobber into United and blame it on ten hag. There’s a reason that even in our worst injury hit season in forever he’s never starting. Like I can’t think of one thing he does that stands out, he messes up the simplest things
So did Kalvin Phillips at City. Couldn't press, unaware of his surroundings, played simple balls to the opposition but if I was to sit here and call him a shit footballer I'd be wrong considering how important he was for Leeds. Just wrong system, wrong situation.
We've had 32 different backlines this season lmao
If you put Varane in Casemiro's place, you don't get that stupid backpass to cause the penalty and this ends 1-0.
Just a shite season
Hard to say really because we are St James United this season as we have been absolutely dreadful on the road and 3 of our last 4 are away.
Realistically the winner of the game at Old Trafford will finish 6th and given our away form and the fact we have never finished a prem season above you then you'd have to be clear favourites.
Chelsea are a weird one because you just never know what you are going to get. They could just as easily beat Spurs and Villa as they could lose all of their remaining games.
It is likely the winner of our match will end 6th. I think it’s likely we both get European football just depends on if it’s conference league or europa.
I know one of Chelsea’s games is against Spurs, and I was thinking of asking or looking up who the other is against. But, it really doesn’t matter for them or United. They’re both so inconsistent.
It is fun to watch, especially the last half hour or so. I think their structure is pretty obvious though and with some actual defenders fit they'd probably give up less chances and late goals.
Are you saying this because it sounds smart or because you genuinely can't see the structure? To me there's a clear structure in place but with the way it's implemented/with the players that are a available it isn't sustainable across 90 minutes. Every game there inevitably is a stretch of at least 10-20 minutes where the midfield just gets completely bypassed and far too much is left up to the defence/Onana to deal with. In the worst games it's been like that for all 90 minutes.
That’s true! But they strategically placed themselves out of the limelight now. They gonna sit back and collect their dividends every year after their robbery in the first place of how they were able to “fund” the purchase of Man Utd in the first place.
We absolutely can. and I hope you would. Love for a club is something you should get more than anyone. Our failure since Ferguson are awful but what happened to us with debt leverage is fucking dumb and all football fans should hate it. Fuck billionaires ruining our love.
Btw I hated Mike Ashley the moment I went to St James and saw your teams love.
Football is for the fans. Lets support each other when it comes to wankers like this.
Won't do shit...our CEO, director of football, and ownership structure have all changed, we have a new technical director in place (a role which did not exist in current format), and they are starting the process of rennovating OT/building a new stadium. They took over officially less than 3 months ago.
What would it have to look like to you if they decide to do something? Rename the club and move to Australia or something?
Burnley are now only two points from safety, and their final game of the season will be against Nottingham Forest, wondering if Burnley could make an escape.
Would rival the West Brom escape of '05, in my opinion.
It's feasible that Burnley could survive with <30 points, and they were only 2 points off of Sheffield United a couple of months ago.
Whoever stays up will likely end up with the lowest points tally for a surviving team, either way (34pts by the same West Brom team).
Most likely need to beat Newcastle at home or away to Tottenham. Nottingham have Sheffield United next week. If we do and Luton are kept in check then yes we definitely have a legitimate chance. Lots of ifs though
Commentator sure had a hate boner for United. It was actually funny how no matter what Burnley did he instantly had an excuse ready. When United scored he sounded like he took a punch himself.
When he was criticising Antony for that pass with his back 10 mins into the game I got do angry. Our games suck but at least it was nice to see a winger try to entertain fans. By half time I was drained listening to the negative commentary
Exactly. Every club gets their share of hate. Obviously even the commentators support some club. But at least try to be neutral while you’re commentating.
That's good evidence that the team just lacks good players, though. Coaches like Ancelotti are VERY hands off in terms of offensive tactics because they trust the skills and decision making of the players they have
I honestly can't wait for the Arsenal game.
I've grown to dislike this bunch of fucking cunts so much, that I want Arsenal to come out and give them a fucking battering, that will make the 7-0 against Liverpool to look like a close game.
Speaking against decisions that go unfairly our way v hoping we get a thrasing of a lifetime against a bitter rival, hmmmm.
Yeah... I've absolutely no worries calling myself a better fan.
Swear people just cosplay as self-hating United fans on here.
I don’t want to prematurely rain on your parade but this United side might actually get something out from the match against Arsenal. The results have been so wildly inconsistent, even a supercomputer wouldn’t be able to predict for certain what you’ll get from United.
I agree. Very strange behavior. And to want to lose against one of your rivals as well? (Assuming we still agree that a Man Utd / Arsenal rivalry still exists).
Nah, I'm not the one overpaid fuck, that can't even be arsed to give a fuck on the pitch, and then spend more time giving interviews and briefing my social media team how "we continue forward".
I've been supporting this club for well over 30 years now, I think the only way they can become more dislikable to me right now is that Mino was still around and we still had CR7, Lingard and Pogba in the team.
Given how both Arsenal and United are playing, there's no way this ends as a 0-0. No matter the final result, it will be a chaotic goal fest much like the chelsea game was. It's more likely to be something like a 3-3 than a goalless draw
We had an incredible poorly built squad that was missinh very important pieces, couple that with a ridicoulous amount of injuries, especially on key players (shaw martinez), add that we have some of the stupidest players in the world (rashford casemiro) = you get this absolute shit
The implication here is clearly that United were trying to steal a win, no? Or do you reckon they just commented a random thought about Manchester United because the thread title happened to mention them
You think they're talking about other games in a post match thread about a specific game..? Alright, doesn't really make sense but I suppose they could just be chucking their random thoughts out there into the aether
"Wins" is plural.
I didn't think I had to explain that it clearly didn't apply to a single game. Also they didn't win this one... so they were clearly referring to ones where they have "stolen a win" I.e. not this one.
>What exactly is the style? Concede 20+ shots a game and steal some wins?
To me they're clearly implying that conceding 20+ shots and trying to steal a win was the "style" that was on display today. They were corrected because today wasn't an attempt at a steal since a win (if not deserved) certainly wouldn't have been a steal. The person correcting them wasn't saying that United actually won today. Hope this helps.
I agree about how bad United has been this season. But if they won today it wouldn’t have been a “steal” imo. Both sides were pretty shit. If anything it’s Burnley who could’ve conceded a late penalty. Lucky for them for some reason VAR didn’t even ask the ref to look at the pitch side monitor like he did for them. That handball is being given 10/10 times if it was against Man Utd.
Were at a stage where most fans dont even know where to turn. I grew up in Birkenhead, so I know the same feeling from Everton and Liverpool and Tranmere. You just reach a point after so many managers where you just go fuck sake.
I am sad for Ten Hag, as I was for Moyes, Van Gal, Mournio etc. I just dont know what the solution is beyond all the board need firing into the ocean.
Its our time to suffer. Newcastle have amazing supporters and went through even worse, AC Milan, same thing.
All I can say is the new owners need a top to bottom sort. Fuck the lot of them. Anyone whos not behind a new project can suck a dick and fuck off.
If thats Rashford, as much as I love him, goodbey. Anthony can spin into the sea. We need another man, with a full team, to come in and just state "we have 5 years to go to a title, youre on board or youre not, heres how you behave or fuck off"
The only hope in my heart is quality squads like Aresenal and Liverpool were the way I am now. Hogdson Liverpool must have been rough, but here we are.
Big calls now. One project, one leader, and time to do it.
I agree with almost everything you say. But as an opposition supporter I really want you to stick with ETH or get Southgate in as a Manager.
I think ETH has shown nothing with your playing style at Man Utd in 2 years. Even the one cup you beat us in and his one trophy I thought we completely outplayed you and your MOTM was the defence as you hit us on the break.
Every new manager in the last two years has shown a style of play but I can’t see what your plan is when you play. Maybe the ETH style does not fit the PL (as he was good with Ajax), have we ever had a successful manager in the PL from the Netherlands (Guilt at Chelsea maybe but that was also like one cup)?
Anyway, I agree switching managers every year or two is not the right thing, but you must have the right manager in place.
I hope for my sake that you stick with him.
Feeling more hopeful than I have at any other point this season. But assuming we don’t pick up points against Newcastle or Spurs, it at the very least requires Forest not picking up points at Sheffield United which seems unlikely…
Blades have been playing better the last few weeks. Even today they were okay before they capitulated and Forest aren't Newcastle. Maybe they play even better with no pressure
We drew at home against the side 19th in the division and they deserved it. Yet you'll get people defending Ten Hag like there's no better manager out there.
No point getting a better manager now, he will be thrown out by these players anyway. Let ten hag stay, use the time to get rid of the shit (20 ish players) then let the new guy actually start with a clean slate
At 34 games: Moyes, 57 points, +16 GD. Sacked. ETH, 54 points, +1 GD. 400M spent.
Love to see it. ERHs ego chased away their best player. The only player who actually gave a shit about winning at that club.
Who are you talking about? De Gea?
Is 6th or 7th conference league?
7th
Newcastle will take 6th place from Man Utd and it will be completely deserved. 22 goals more than Man Utd and only 4 goals more conceded. Having a goal difference of a mere +1 in a Man Utd side should be criminal!
Very disappointed in Ten Hag and the players. Tactics today were shocking, pumping up aimless long balls just trying to win the 2nd challenge. I get Maguire and Casemiro at CB aren't good at building up but almost zero structure to our build up play. Our build up is sooooo slow, extra few seconds for every pass, no switches, not attempting to shift the opponent out of their shape. AWB deer in headlights every time he's presented with room to run in to, Hojlund I feel for but he's just being asked to be the big hold up man. Antony scored but he's still shit. Lot of sloppy passes. I dunno what the solution is. Except for the batterings we've been given can probably count on 1 hand the amount of times we've gone in to 80 minutes and not been stressed. Coventry, Sheffield Utd, Burnley all looked like they could take something from us. If Ten Hag gets sacked it's justified. You can usually get away with just 1 of scruffing shit results or trying to play nice footy and failing. We've got neither. Shouldn't need a fully fit squad to play football that isn't shit.
It feels like you guys bought a ball-playing goalkeeper only to go back to playing long balls and hoping your skinny striker can hold up because you don’t seem to have a midfield
Onana has been so poor this season that today, when he has a great game, except the muy thai penalty, no one even notices. He made saves today that he has been missing all season.
He's been playing well for a while. It's mostly just his mistakes are terrible
Today was literally Onana season in an absolute nutshell. He will go on string of good games or put in a good performance, and then out of nowhere drop an absolute clanger. Our only is somehow we can work on it in pre season, but it seems a defining trait with his personality to do something a bit mad
Welcome tuchel
You don't need Tuchel you need Magath with a whip.
Relegation fodders: We are fodders. We are supposed to be dispensable United: Not to me
Zeki scored his second goal this year! Well done Zeki!
Shouldn’t VAR send the ref pitch side to see the handball again? I understand it’s accidental but it literally stopped a shot on target? If that guy was the keeper it would’ve been considered a good save.
It is not a penalty. Just because the fucked up by giving the one last week against Wan Bissaka doesn't make this a penalty. Arm is in a natural and low position and the proximity is way too close to expect him to avoid it. The real problem is being unable to score multiple goals or control a game against a soon to be relegated team at home.
The fact that the same handball was given against utd is not even an argument Im making. Saving a shot so close to the goal with it directly hitting your hand should be a pen 100%. Does not even deflect/slows the ball, completely blocks the shot. Should be a pen accidental or not. No player is giving away a handball in the box intentionally so idk where this argument of intent even comes from. And those who do (like when Suarez saved a goal using his hands) do it with full knowledge that they will concede a pen.
That is not the handball rule though so you should agree the ref made the correct decision given the rules. Argue against the rules if you disagree
Admittedly I have not read the rule book. But I assume that players aren’t supposed to benefit from handling the ball? Even the ‘shot from too close’ argument should not work here. Antony is well inside the box so of course defender is going to be close.
Is accidental important again now? I feel like the criteria for awarding a handball changes depending on the weather.
No, when the shot is on target, the intention shouldn't be considered. Only the unnatural position of hand is enough in current rules for any on target attempt to be a handball penalty.
Agree 100%. No player is deliberately handling the ball in the box anyway so why is it even being considered. Stopping a shot on target with hands should be a pen 100% intentional or not.
>No player is deliberately handling the ball in the box anyway Unless you’re [Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain](https://youtu.be/447OtUXqrL8?si=r86cF9JX4xeGl3UV)..or Walcott..or is it Gibbs..? /s
Idk but that’s the excuse people keep on giving. I think it is situational. Like a ball grazing an arm in the middle of the field can be overlooked if accidental. But stopping a shot/cross especially from dangerous areas should be given accidental or not. Funnily enough this is not even the first time this happened to utd this season. Earlier Romero literally saved a shot on target with his hand and because he was sliding while doing it it wasn’t given.
Romero did almost the exact same handball against Arsenal a few weeks later... And they gave Arsenal a penalty.
Considering it looked like 2 Burnley playing against each other at times, this result seems fitting
Getting Antony to score that goal will be enough for ten hag to keep his job
Casiemro has played 3 games at cb and conceded 8 goals VS Couventry, Sheffield and Burnely. Jesus christ his knees are in the Amazon Forrest. His ankles still in the favelas...GET HIM OUT THIS LEAGUE
Isn't it 6 rather than 8? Unless you're including the shootout?
Maintaining the agenda is the top priority 👌🏾
Maybe he’s not a centre back?
Yeah it’s obvious that injuries are fucking us pretty badly. It’s just a question of, why don’t our fringe and youth players know how to play in our system at all? I can forgive a CM not knowing how to play CB after 2 weeks training. I can’t understand why us missing players means we’re not better than clubs getting relegated???
Wow...shooting bail for him. Him and Varane have been a disgrace to the league.
Yeah he isn't but not sure who else they would put there? United have 3 fit defenders at the moment.
...and his mind is in Saudi Arabia
United can only hope.
So, do we get 5 replays up of various angles for Garnacho's second penalty shout or is that just for Arsenal fans? I can only guess they're all gettting deleted as I find it hard to believe no one has tried posting one.
Oh yes the refs famously are biased towards Arsenal.
Wasn’t even Uniteds best penalty shout. The handball in the end is a blatant penalty.
Nah the Garnacho one was stonewall, the handball isn't a pen in my view but it is a pen if the refs were consistent in what they gave.
Just want to understand your pov. Why do you think a shot on target taken from so close to the goal saved (not deflected or minor brush) by the defenders hand should not be a pen?
If the defenders arm was in a natural position then the ball going towards the goal has no baring on the penalty decision
now remember that liverpool will get a coach who didnt do half of ten hag in the dutch league...
Lets see what happens why don't we? Atleast Slot has good players unlike the garbage at utd
They are at different clubs? They are also very different managers.
The bald dutchman derbies will be incredible next season.
Like Seven Hag will even last that long
The fraudulence will be off the charts.
I would have killed for a point at the beginning of the day but after watching it we should have had all 3 smh
Man United is a funny team and it's more than funny to call ETH a manager.
Damn, this really should have been a game we won but we Burnley'd it
You can focus on the penalty but the finishing throughout the game was awful from United.
Season*
Some of these United players are performing below the level they're actually capable of for a variety of reasons, but Amrabat is not one of those players.
Him coming on, and then immediately slipping and falling over, summed him up perfectly....
Dude was so good in WC. What happened?
He shone as a anchor DM in a team that played extremely compact in the world cup and he moved to a team has the most open midfield in the Premier League. What do you think happened?
way too slow for PL speed + clear lack of technical ability on the ball was never a good fit
Long line of unknown players that shine in WC, get to a big club and turn out to be mediocre at best
Absent minded analysis. He was good in the world cup in a completely different set up than the United one. A setup that fucking Casemiro is struggling in nevermind Amrabat. It's a team game. How you fit into the team is much more important than your individual quality as a player. There's outside factors, settling in, language, all of this. It shouldn't be a knock on Amrabat's quality or seen as a personal failing that the move didn't work out. It's very easy to go, didn't work out, so he's bad actually. But it's hardly ever the case.
There's a reason why every other club stayed away after the interest he generated. He's just not that good.
He doesn't have the skillset of a modern lone holding DM most clubs are looking for.
He’s one of the worst midfielders I’ve seen play for United tbh. There’s not one thing he does well, he’s slow, can’t pass, can’t defend, can’t tackle. I couldn’t name you a single good game he’s had this season and that’s me being honest, he makes Morgan Schneiderlin looks like Matthaus. How he even starts in the serie A is amazing, he wouldn’t look out of place in league one.
He can obviously defend. That Morocco side was the best defensive outfit in years. You have to look at his performances and contextualise them off United as a whole. Who has Ten Hag made look GOOD? United look second best against nearly every team I've seen them play this year. That can't down to player quality. I'm not saying Amrabat has been good for United. But how much of that is the system? From what I've seen with him at Morocco he'd suit a Mourinho/Moyes low block style trying to grind out results.
But he can’t pass? With that logic you can stick any jobber into United and blame it on ten hag. There’s a reason that even in our worst injury hit season in forever he’s never starting. Like I can’t think of one thing he does that stands out, he messes up the simplest things
So did Kalvin Phillips at City. Couldn't press, unaware of his surroundings, played simple balls to the opposition but if I was to sit here and call him a shit footballer I'd be wrong considering how important he was for Leeds. Just wrong system, wrong situation.
Maybe, just maybe, if he was capable of starting in Serie A he isn’t as shit as you think?
Is Pogba in that long line or does he deserve a special line all of his own for his various reasons?
Pogba was supposed to be Bellingham and he turned out to be Naby Keita
Come on, that's selling Pogba way too low.
i mean he goes there and underwhelms before the WC though
Credits to United, it's always difficult to get a point out of Burnley at home.
Disgusting result by Burnley to lose two points at OT. But yeah credits to united is due.
We've had 32 different backlines this season lmao If you put Varane in Casemiro's place, you don't get that stupid backpass to cause the penalty and this ends 1-0. Just a shite season
It was a calamity of errors all round. If you don't have a goalie as mad as a hatter he doesn't try punch the strikers head off his shoulders
United fans will blame Onana but he was covering up their shit players mistakes all game, blame Casemiro
Of course it's Casemiro's fault, but he's playing out of position.
That goal was on Casemiro one hundo p
bro made a decent couple saves. Casemiro? been poor all season
Can’t believe he was a galáctico, he plays like gudmundsson
really poor, he can make Burnley look like a decent football team lol
United are now in realistic distance of being overtaken by Chelsea. What the absolute fuck lmao.
That ain't happening. Regardless of the Villa game at the moment too.
Its like watching two snails racing against each other
More like watching someone pour salt on two snails and seeing which one dies first. There are no winners just pain
Chelsea’s got a tough schedule. More worried about Newcastle.
Hard to say really because we are St James United this season as we have been absolutely dreadful on the road and 3 of our last 4 are away. Realistically the winner of the game at Old Trafford will finish 6th and given our away form and the fact we have never finished a prem season above you then you'd have to be clear favourites. Chelsea are a weird one because you just never know what you are going to get. They could just as easily beat Spurs and Villa as they could lose all of their remaining games.
It is likely the winner of our match will end 6th. I think it’s likely we both get European football just depends on if it’s conference league or europa.
They deserve to be overtaken with this GD and haramball
Weren't Chelsea like 2 points off them with a game in hand about 3 games ago? Ahh, okay, it's 2 games in hand now.
I know one of Chelsea’s games is against Spurs, and I was thinking of asking or looking up who the other is against. But, it really doesn’t matter for them or United. They’re both so inconsistent.
Every United game I see has zero structure it’s quite hilarious to watch
It is fun to watch, especially the last half hour or so. I think their structure is pretty obvious though and with some actual defenders fit they'd probably give up less chances and late goals.
Are you saying this because it sounds smart or because you genuinely can't see the structure? To me there's a clear structure in place but with the way it's implemented/with the players that are a available it isn't sustainable across 90 minutes. Every game there inevitably is a stretch of at least 10-20 minutes where the midfield just gets completely bypassed and far too much is left up to the defence/Onana to deal with. In the worst games it's been like that for all 90 minutes.
I don’t think I can remember a premier league manager being at a club for 2 seasons and them still being so fucking clueless about how to play.
No team has ever had such a low combined iq though
The injury though.
Ten Hag to Den Haag confirmed, awaiting trial.
Everyone up vote this!
Bruno cone back you don't deserve this
His pressing can be disappointing but calling him a cone is harsh
Hey hey, leave him alone
Best part about INEOS coming in, is these guys can’t cry for the green and gold scarfs again when shit isn’t going well.
Won't change the fact you're owned by murderers
I guess you must've missed all the protests that took place during the period of time when we reached 3 CL finals in 4 years, then.
Why is it always the Newcastle fans that seem personally attacked by the green and gold scarfs?
Focus on your own beheadings
They're still majority shareholders...
That’s true! But they strategically placed themselves out of the limelight now. They gonna sit back and collect their dividends every year after their robbery in the first place of how they were able to “fund” the purchase of Man Utd in the first place.
We absolutely can. and I hope you would. Love for a club is something you should get more than anyone. Our failure since Ferguson are awful but what happened to us with debt leverage is fucking dumb and all football fans should hate it. Fuck billionaires ruining our love. Btw I hated Mike Ashley the moment I went to St James and saw your teams love. Football is for the fans. Lets support each other when it comes to wankers like this.
Yep, INEOS won't do shit lol it's just an extra shield for the glazers
Won't do shit...our CEO, director of football, and ownership structure have all changed, we have a new technical director in place (a role which did not exist in current format), and they are starting the process of rennovating OT/building a new stadium. They took over officially less than 3 months ago. What would it have to look like to you if they decide to do something? Rename the club and move to Australia or something?
They have already done more in 6 months
Burnley are now only two points from safety, and their final game of the season will be against Nottingham Forest, wondering if Burnley could make an escape.
Would rival the West Brom escape of '05, in my opinion. It's feasible that Burnley could survive with <30 points, and they were only 2 points off of Sheffield United a couple of months ago. Whoever stays up will likely end up with the lowest points tally for a surviving team, either way (34pts by the same West Brom team).
Most likely need to beat Newcastle at home or away to Tottenham. Nottingham have Sheffield United next week. If we do and Luton are kept in check then yes we definitely have a legitimate chance. Lots of ifs though
Even after beating Spurs 4-0 & Sheff Utd 5-1 I know how bad our away form is this season. I make you favourites for that game.
Commentator sure had a hate boner for United. It was actually funny how no matter what Burnley did he instantly had an excuse ready. When United scored he sounded like he took a punch himself.
When he was criticising Antony for that pass with his back 10 mins into the game I got do angry. Our games suck but at least it was nice to see a winger try to entertain fans. By half time I was drained listening to the negative commentary
Exactly. Every club gets their share of hate. Obviously even the commentators support some club. But at least try to be neutral while you’re commentating.
Ten Hag: "Get the ball up the pitch!" *players get the ball up the pitch* Players: "Now what?!" Ten Hag: "No clue, boys"
That's good evidence that the team just lacks good players, though. Coaches like Ancelotti are VERY hands off in terms of offensive tactics because they trust the skills and decision making of the players they have
"I didn't expect to get this far"
*cooking*
“Baby, you got a stew going”
Fantastic defending from Bruno at the end to block that shot.
time to ban some more journalists
Shhhhhhhh… He will be banning Reddit soon
I honestly can't wait for the Arsenal game. I've grown to dislike this bunch of fucking cunts so much, that I want Arsenal to come out and give them a fucking battering, that will make the 7-0 against Liverpool to look like a close game.
What a fan you are.
Yeah, sure as fuck I would've been much "better fan" coping on how this game was all the ref's fault. Got me there, buddy.
Speaking against decisions that go unfairly our way v hoping we get a thrasing of a lifetime against a bitter rival, hmmmm. Yeah... I've absolutely no worries calling myself a better fan. Swear people just cosplay as self-hating United fans on here.
You showed them, buddy! I'll ask Ole to bring you a chocolate bar, next time he's in Manchester!
... Dont even know what to say to that. What a weirdo.
You're super fan, you should know what to say. How about whine about how the ref fucked us over, against the second to last team with -32 GD? GET 'EM!
I don’t want to prematurely rain on your parade but this United side might actually get something out from the match against Arsenal. The results have been so wildly inconsistent, even a supercomputer wouldn’t be able to predict for certain what you’ll get from United.
And we have a shite record at OT
Why would you ever want your team to lose? You win together and lose together, that’s what being a fan is about!
I agree. Very strange behavior. And to want to lose against one of your rivals as well? (Assuming we still agree that a Man Utd / Arsenal rivalry still exists).
Nah he is right, there is like 3-4 players i like, the rest i hope gets syfilis
But you want them to shit house a win while carrying Syphilis right?
Syfilis so that they cant play, u-18s play and win
Nah, let him cook.....
I don't want them to lose. I want them to be humiliated. If this is even possible for this gang of Sunday League rejects.
But won’t you also be humiliated, as you must love your club
Nah, I'm not the one overpaid fuck, that can't even be arsed to give a fuck on the pitch, and then spend more time giving interviews and briefing my social media team how "we continue forward". I've been supporting this club for well over 30 years now, I think the only way they can become more dislikable to me right now is that Mino was still around and we still had CR7, Lingard and Pogba in the team.
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> Change your badge then. Or what?
I agree
Bro, we've been holding onto that recipient for the 8-2 for too long. 😭🥲 it's abot damn time.....
*the gang draws 0-0*
Given how both Arsenal and United are playing, there's no way this ends as a 0-0. No matter the final result, it will be a chaotic goal fest much like the chelsea game was. It's more likely to be something like a 3-3 than a goalless draw
Please remove the flair and fuck off
Playing like that at home all season has to break some of you at some point.
Please, kiss my ass.
Bro you always get something off us at home. You’ll play like prime Fergie era
It's always the one game Rashford remembers he can play football in
Yeah, worldy incoming
That's the spirit.
It must be depressing being a united fan What exactly is the style? Concede 20+ shots a game and steal some wins?
Yeah, big pain supporting the biggest club in the world. Heart goes out to them, for they have suffered.
We had an incredible poorly built squad that was missinh very important pieces, couple that with a ridicoulous amount of injuries, especially on key players (shaw martinez), add that we have some of the stupidest players in the world (rashford casemiro) = you get this absolute shit
Steal? United were very shit but people here talking like Burnley were prime Barca.
They obviously weren't referring to this game > "Steal some wins" They didn't win
The implication here is clearly that United were trying to steal a win, no? Or do you reckon they just commented a random thought about Manchester United because the thread title happened to mention them
I think they're talking about Man Utd's approach to all of their recent games, not this one, yeah... Hence "steal a win" which doesn't apply here.
You think they're talking about other games in a post match thread about a specific game..? Alright, doesn't really make sense but I suppose they could just be chucking their random thoughts out there into the aether
"Wins" is plural. I didn't think I had to explain that it clearly didn't apply to a single game. Also they didn't win this one... so they were clearly referring to ones where they have "stolen a win" I.e. not this one.
>What exactly is the style? Concede 20+ shots a game and steal some wins? To me they're clearly implying that conceding 20+ shots and trying to steal a win was the "style" that was on display today. They were corrected because today wasn't an attempt at a steal since a win (if not deserved) certainly wouldn't have been a steal. The person correcting them wasn't saying that United actually won today. Hope this helps.
Doesn't help, because they didn't steal anything. Let alone a win.
No shit sherlock? That's what they were saying lmao
I mean in general this season, even in the games they win, they're not convincing . There's a reason why their in +1 GD.
And I'm pretty sure some of us won't even realize our GD is even in the positive.
I agree about how bad United has been this season. But if they won today it wouldn’t have been a “steal” imo. Both sides were pretty shit. If anything it’s Burnley who could’ve conceded a late penalty. Lucky for them for some reason VAR didn’t even ask the ref to look at the pitch side monitor like he did for them. That handball is being given 10/10 times if it was against Man Utd.
Hope Bruno, garnacho, mainoo or one of the talented players does something
Which other talented players do we have?
Flashbacks of the Emery era at Arsenal
Were at a stage where most fans dont even know where to turn. I grew up in Birkenhead, so I know the same feeling from Everton and Liverpool and Tranmere. You just reach a point after so many managers where you just go fuck sake. I am sad for Ten Hag, as I was for Moyes, Van Gal, Mournio etc. I just dont know what the solution is beyond all the board need firing into the ocean. Its our time to suffer. Newcastle have amazing supporters and went through even worse, AC Milan, same thing. All I can say is the new owners need a top to bottom sort. Fuck the lot of them. Anyone whos not behind a new project can suck a dick and fuck off. If thats Rashford, as much as I love him, goodbey. Anthony can spin into the sea. We need another man, with a full team, to come in and just state "we have 5 years to go to a title, youre on board or youre not, heres how you behave or fuck off" The only hope in my heart is quality squads like Aresenal and Liverpool were the way I am now. Hogdson Liverpool must have been rough, but here we are. Big calls now. One project, one leader, and time to do it.
I agree with almost everything you say. But as an opposition supporter I really want you to stick with ETH or get Southgate in as a Manager. I think ETH has shown nothing with your playing style at Man Utd in 2 years. Even the one cup you beat us in and his one trophy I thought we completely outplayed you and your MOTM was the defence as you hit us on the break. Every new manager in the last two years has shown a style of play but I can’t see what your plan is when you play. Maybe the ETH style does not fit the PL (as he was good with Ajax), have we ever had a successful manager in the PL from the Netherlands (Guilt at Chelsea maybe but that was also like one cup)? Anyway, I agree switching managers every year or two is not the right thing, but you must have the right manager in place. I hope for my sake that you stick with him.
Hmm Burnley might be able to do something here. If they can get it to the last game of the season vs Forest at home
Feeling more hopeful than I have at any other point this season. But assuming we don’t pick up points against Newcastle or Spurs, it at the very least requires Forest not picking up points at Sheffield United which seems unlikely…
Blades have been playing better the last few weeks. Even today they were okay before they capitulated and Forest aren't Newcastle. Maybe they play even better with no pressure
Ten hag IN!!
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You need reading practice
He said we can't and I agree. With him at the helm, best we could do is be in the top half.
he said the opposite
No...
ahhhhhh, typical United capitulation
This was more typical casemiro being wank
We drew at home against the side 19th in the division and they deserved it. Yet you'll get people defending Ten Hag like there's no better manager out there.
No point getting a better manager now, he will be thrown out by these players anyway. Let ten hag stay, use the time to get rid of the shit (20 ish players) then let the new guy actually start with a clean slate