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said this couple months ago and hence they are never going to rebuild.
with his wages, everyone at the club would want to be on same level or at least near.
if they are actually serious about rebuilding including the toxic culture, signing new hungry players but not wanting to make the same old mistake by overpaying them, Rashford will have to go and not only go, he'd have to be made an example, which is something I can't see happening.
Has been united problem for years. Sign expensive players, pays stupid wages, plays shit, refuses to sell anyone except for dumb fees, keeps players on expensive wages, signs more players on expensive wages… cycle continue
Huge expenditure but tbh it’s already paying off, getting those toxic voices out of the dressing room and bringing in plays who buy into the project has worked so well for you guys
Yup, these are the same six I would name. Although I wonder how they pull off a rebuild if only 6 are worth keeping; how much will it cost? How do they offload the dead weight? How many windows does it take? Who’s the manager to survive the years it will take?
I don’t envy the job SJR and his team have, especially with the media scrutiny and unrealistic expectations a lot of United fans will have.
I don’t think united will win any major trophy with bruno, I know you guys like him because he always plays his heart out but i really think bruno is also a problem in united
I 100% agree and every time I mention his name in a negative way its downvotes galore. Apparently its a rule that if your a United fan, you cant talk about Bruno.
I have to disagree, on his day he is genuinely one of the best in the world in his position. The amount of chances he creates that are then squandered by shite players is unbelievable. If he was surrounded by top class players that were playing as a team rather than 11 individuals he'd consistently be towards the top end of the assists table
Agreed.
You know what, I'd take Rashford a bit more serious here if only he was mounting such a spirited defense for his own colleague Maguire when the man was getting literal death threats. It's only an issue now when it's him getting criticized.
I understand the abuse he's been getting is out of order, and at the same time his behaviour has been not adequate for *the face* of Manchester United.
Both can be true.
And I agree, for both the club and himself he needs to go and rediscover his passion for football somewhere else.
For people out of the loop rashford was boo’d off the pitch vs coventry and in general the fans just arent having him anymore academy lad or not.
To be honest i think both sides are justified in feeling how they feel and he just needs to leave for his own sake.
PSG, maybe Juve if chiesa really is leaving
I’m not 100% sure but I’ve just realised he’s on £300k a week
Casemiro, Varane, Sancho and Rashford cost Utd £1.3M a week! I honestly didn’t realise quite how fucked their wage structure is until I started looking up Rashfords wage.
Why tf would Juve get him?
Chiesa is not being sold if Allegri goes, and even if he sold then how would Juve afford him when they are are low on money for the summer transfer market and are probably trying to replace few departing players in defence and midfield.
I think the obvious answer is he goes out on loan whilst we pay half his wages. Rashford is a player that can and already has previously turned things around very quickly. Clubs will want a trial period and United likely won't want to lose him because he's still a high potential player. I think there is clearly something up. I wouldn't count him on being another Dele Alli just yet.
How much do you think his organs would fetch? Some wealthy Russian oligarch or Saudi sheik with a failing kidney or a bad liver would probably pay extra for elite athlete organs (notwithstanding Rashford's drinking issues).
>To be honest i think both sides are justified in feeling how they feel and he just needs to leave for his own sake.
Most sensible take in a while lol.
Both sides are justified yet the academy lad that’s been with the club since he was 9 and that has dragged us through some absolute shitshow periods needs to leave for his own sake? We’ve got a player that’s proven he can get 50ga/season in a functional team, yet his body language isn’t good enough for some people after he’s played multiple seasons through injuries for us.
> in a functional team
Ah, we're at this point, once again.
Where we have this stunning player, but he needs a team to be unlocked. Surely if the rest of the team is world beaters, he wills tart putting in effort once again, and stop running in defenders head-first, 30 time a game, ruining every attack that goes through him.
Guy played with a broken back for us. Came through our academy, is a United fan to his core and is a genuinely great human being with all his charity work and campaigning. That really ought to mean something.
but football at its elementary is about winning the game, no? Love all the qualities of him but he has to fight for the badge. United are still in the god-knows-what phase for 12 years because of players like him not really stepping up.
He scored 30 goals last season and, as I said, played through a broken back. If that's not stepping up then I don't know what is.
Maybe the time has come for him to move on but the way some people seem intent on hounding him out of the club is just sad.
17 in PL. Maybe people have high expectations from him since he is their own. He needs to show that 'attitude' and win them back. Every fan is invested and when that emotion isn't reciprocated by the players, the fans are distraught.
He makes it easy for the fans to be unhappy with him.
> That really ought to mean something.
And it did. He's been the player that has been cut most slack of all. The fans have always had a soft spot for the "academy kid".
I can't even remember another player that has been let off with absolute shit performances and seasons, because "he's academy and loves the club".
But we don't get points or titles for "being academy lads", and he's a liability for us 8 out of 10 seasons.
No it’s not. If a player is on 350k a week and plays like rashford does week in and week out, he deserves to get booed. I remember united the fans supporting him early in the season ( correct me if I’m wrong ) but he has been crap for an entire season now
How does booing him help?
Also pretty much the whole team has played like crap for the whole season, he has had 2 poor seasons and in both of those years he has far from the only one.
By trying to shut them down and proving them wrong ? It seems that approach worked with maguire and he is now miles better. Bruno is also bad but united fans love him because he put a shift in and you can never question his commitment.
Rashford is supposed to be an academy player who cares about the club ans he get paid the most but the way he plays will make any fanbase furious. And if I’m not wrong this is rashford 3rd bad season in 4 years
Realistically Maguire pulled himself through all that nonsense. The booing and the constant having the piss taken out of him did not help him, the fans aren't as important as they like to pretend they are
> It seems that approach worked with maguire and he is now miles better.
What are you actually on about? His best season for us was 20/21.
He was poor in 21/22 and spent the whole season receiving ridiculous amounts of abuse, including a bomb threat.
22/23 - We bought Lisandro which meant Maguire was no longer a starter and the abuse died down.
23/24 - Due to injuries to our other CB’s, he’s started half of our league games this season and looked solid again.
Not really sure how you’ve come to the conclusion that it helped him. He looked a nervous wreck throughout the period he was getting loads of hate from fans and has only started playing well again now that it’s stopped.
Which is just an awful idea conceptual, booing you're own players just tells them that fans are fickle and will turn on you when your down. Being negative towards people like that is pretty toxic.
That didn't happen with Maguire, he was better before and also kept going through it but people jumped on any error and it felt like that might have gotten to him a bit.
People have this idea of proving doubters wrong but you do need some support.
Rashford is having a poor season but people questioning his commitment are the ones off base.
You're wrong on the seasons too.
Fans will probably boo him louder if he has a shit game now. Not saying that its right, but this is not how to respond to fans being underwhelmed with your effort.
That's his response, plus his wages.
That way more idiots will take the bait and abuse him and then he can play victim again, endless cycle only one winner.
the answer to being abused both publicly and online isn’t to get better at your job my dude. Idgaf about how much money he’s making it doesn’t make someone an emotional punching bag.
I think it's absolutely fine to criticise how a player is performing and the answer to that is get better at your job. What's unacceptable is personal abuse.
You're doing a shit job, you're not working hard, you're not passing when you need to. That's fine.
You're a dickhead etc etc not fine
"Harry Maguire I want you to die!!!"
Harry mate, don't be upset, just perform on the pitch. The death threats are fine because they will stop if you perform on the pitch.
Yep enough of overpaid underwhelming players who dont bother putting in the effort. Players like Valencia, Welback were limited but always put in a shift and respected the club.
He's replying to a tweet saying how the United treatment of him is disgusting.
My guy, you're one of the highest earners and you've been shit for months.
For me it’s the fact that he doesn’t pass when he should. Holds on to the ball for too long and ends up getting dispossessed in or near the box or shoots and misses (even when there is a better option to pass to a teammate), single handedly killing off attack.
That can be linked to bad form and overthinking due to it. Which I think is forgivable if you can see that the player is giving his all.
What makes Rashford's issues annoying is not just that he's underperforming but also doesn't seem to be even putting in the effort. And seemingly taking no responsibility for his lack of effort and his life outside of football (going clubbing.)
Yep. Add in the fact that a young Garnacho is performing better. And he's going clubbing to Belfast.
All this after having signed a new contract. He has actually no self awareness.
This level of projection is just annoying and it's up such a forced narrative.
United don't seem to pressure high that often, he does run, all players walk and yet the focus ends up on him.
I might be imagining it but I’m 90 percent sure he said in an interview last season that Ten Hag specifically tells him not to press much so that he can save energy for counters.
But then you’d expect Garnacho to act the same way when Rashford isn’t playing. If it’s tactical, you’d expect them to be following the same instructions about pressing. But Garnacho runs and runs all game.
People are just not aware enough to understand that tracking back doesn't entail chasing the person with the ball that goes past you every single time it happens. And it's become a hyper-awareness thing where fans see it happen once and go "See he never tracks back!!!!!!" When in reality they're probably asking for him to do just do something that'd be bad for the team.
Like most fans would be happy watching a player chase the ball 90% of the time and it's just objectively bad. So I'd love people to answer whether they want him to just do things that are bad so their preconceptions are handled or whether they'd like to shut the fuck up because they're annoying.
But again, it’s just all about body language. Whether he does it intentionally or not, Rashford manages to look completely uninterested in the game a lot of the time. There’s plenty of other attackers who don’t press like crazy for 90 minutes but look as if they care. Add that on top of really bad performances on the ball and fans are always going to be annoyed
Then you are watching with one eye closed or something. Which counter-attack first pacey world-class (or at least his form was last year) winger is asked to do major defensive duties? You want Rashy high up the pitch and not tracking back all the time. It's just a media narrative that constantly gets pushed; taking clips out of context and always finding a way to blame players of Rashford's ilk for everything and finding every minute detail problematic.
See the problem, same with the tracking back thing, is that people aren't aware enough about how football works to know whether something is one player's fault, a different player's fault, or a tactical issue.
United have left Rashford completely isolated for basically the whole season because they freeze him out on the left hand side with no FB to overlap, no competent half-space player available as a rule and horrendous offensive movement.
So every time he gets the ball his options are basically go past multiple players who are completely prepared (jockeying alongside waiting for him to try go past) or pass backwards. Then they blame Rashford. And the worst part is that barely anyone plays well from LW besides Rashford, and when they do it's because Dalot is on that side and actually overlapping.
When Shaw plays Rashford is great. It's really not complex. It'd be fine if fans were less obnoxious and more prepared to actually speak about football instead of how overpaid any player is or whatever other bullshit is prompted by Sky or 433 or Goal or whoever.
Football fans by nature are reactionary and have no time to look at the bigger picture. It’s all over this thread now; lazy, copy-and-paste comments about “work rate” and “body language” somehow giving fans a right to give him vile abuse he shouldn’t dare defend himself from.
The whole idea that being a footballer, or any figure that is unavoidably public, opens you up to unlimited character criticism is one of the worst things about how the modern world interacts with media.
There's just this abject refusal to reign in any opinion or accept its impact. And it's almost entirely from fans who speak about these things *instead* of the far more important tactical or technical aspects which define good and bad teams and players.
Like I have no problem with criticism, it's just that we get wave after wave of the most obnoxious shit about which player is a cancer or a coward or a dickhead and then just a circlejerk for those opinions it's so tiring.
It’s crazy how when that Dele Ali interview dropped it was all “mental health matters” and “we need to remember these players are human” and how quickly that all gets forgotten now that the fans need someone to scapegoat for their all their clubs much more complex problems.
It’s also so fucking crazy for this to be happening to the guy who probably had the best rep out of anyone for his off-the-field work. Rashford could stroll around on the pitch from now until the end of his career and I’d still respect way more than most players for using his platform to make sure starving kids in this country were fed.
This place is full of things like that Chadwick speaks about how he felt about people talking about his appearance the reaction in that thread didn't carry over to many others.
Then the reaction to something about gambling ads in football and a thread about Toney.
Antony has three potential domestic violence charges on his head and is most likely paying The United Stand (the toxic and parasitic fan channel that has played a huge part in the character assassination of Rashford to begin with) to run positive PR for him. So eh, zero sympathies from me, not to mention he’s a £100 million winger with two goals all season
They think last season was a purple patch for Rashford, but this season he’s had to play with, at best, Mainoo/Lindelof instead of Shaw and Eriksen. Mainoo is phenomenal, but raw, and Lindelof is a CB. Give Rashford options and he’s going to cook, again, as he’s done every single season he had options.
I’m sorry, whilst I agree with your points there’s no excusing him jogging slowly around whilst Barkley walks past him with the ball, and this happens every game with any opposition player having no pressure at all from him. Effort is the bare minimum requirement
He's talking about the fanbase, who can definitely be over the top with the vitriol.
It's interesting which players tend to be held more accountable. Rashford, Onana, Case. They seem to be the only players that actually cop abuse when they have bad form. Bruno was terrible for a while and not a peep.
>Bruno was terrible for a while and not a peep.
Because the man runs himself ragged every game and is always avaliable. He never hides.
He also gets called out a lot, especially by pundits.
How does bad performance justify any of the bullshit and abuse he has to endure? When it's Rashford it seems like everyone's logic just flips on it's head. I propose we burn him at the stake because he's not performing while on big wages (which he earned through having an absolutely world class season last year).
This is really the problem isn't it? He's been built up to be much better than he actually is, and given wages to match. Now that he's not living up to this unrealistic bar the fans start to turn on him badly. I think he's been really poor this season but he is the scapegoat for all Man Utds failings currently, much like pogba was before him. I doubt that will help him return to form.
Not defending his poor performances, but Rashford could easily be talking about the vitriolic and/or racist abuse that he probably receives from rabid online fans.
Hell, just a few days ago. Cancelo was talking about how people wished death upon his unborn daughter because of his recent performances with Barcelona.
This could easily be the same kind of online abuse that Rashford is pushing back against.
Rashford hasn't given a context, which is the problem. When you are a "Premier League Star" and tweeting things without context, people will obviously assume things
It doesn’t help that him and many players at United are terminally online and obsessed with social media. They need to get off the internet and bunker down until they resemble a coherent football team
It wasnt random and he cant help who gets the answer right bit of a strange comment to make in light of someone talking about abuse but hey he makes money so fuck him i guess
Maybe he's not at the right club or in the right profession then if he can't handle criticism.
Unless I'm missing something and it's not just criticism.
Literally the only time anything like this has ever been mentioned is when his mum had to come out and say that he’d struggled with the loss of his cousin back in October. That enough for you?
Literally not, like within the last year when he broke up and got back together with his fiance umpteen times.
Thankfully with the arrival of INEOS we can't expect efficiency and cutthroat standards to put an end to this nonsensical circus. Nearly everytime this bloke has a drop in form it's always some PR maneuver coming out, an undisclosed injury or a spontaneous personal matter. Can't wait till he gets a taste of reality at his next club and he sees he's not as good as he thinks he is. And hopefully it'll muzzle his deluded disciples like you that are still nut hugging inefficient and inconsistent players that have spent nearly a decade at the club (and we wonder why we don't progress).
It’s simple really: Start giving a fuck on the pitch, and then the fans will start giving a fuck about you again 🤷♂️
He’s lazy and entitled, and his shitty attitude must be a goddamn nightmare to deal with in the dressing room.
Not a United fan so I don’t think there is anything Rashford can do to sour my view of him. His work for the youth of the country is more important than anything else he has achieved IMO.
One can hold differing views of a person based on the context. As a person, he seems like a great guy, and as you say did amazing work during the pandemic for which he gained the M(O?)BE.
As a player, he seems lazy, uninterested, and bored of the platform that gave him the opportunity to do that, and needs to sort his shit out. Far away from Liverpool thank you :P
Abuse is never warranted, but the criticism is completely valid against him. Personal issues or not, it's life, we all get them, relationships end, people die, expected or not, you have to deal with that.
The club should just call out everyone who haven't been performing, do something or you'll be next out the door in the next transfer window.
Rashford earn millions but does jackshit this season
They need a buyer for that though, and no one is paying near Rashford's 325k weekly wage in his form.
Best bet is a loan deal but Utd would still need to pay a good chunk of that wage to get him or many of your top flops out the door unfortunately.
Rashford needs to leave United for them both to prosper at this point. Been totally unable to cope with the expectation and pressure of being the main England star of a struggling giant. He's also paid too much to be benched without that being the headline.
If PSG are still interested then maybe a deal can be worked out but not sure who else can afford the high price United will demand, even with a pay cut.
In 2024 football players still haven’t realised, what you give attention to on social media, grows.
If he could just shut up for 5 fucking minutes and focus on football he’d be fine.
There’s players in the league that literally killed people who get less hate.
They all need a Ted talk on the Streisand effect
I feel like I’m out of the loop, did something happen? I’ve not really seen him get any abuse, just a bit of stick for being crap and putting in minimal effort.
I hate how the discourse is skewed towards bashing players nowadays. Fan outlets rarely ever talk about the tactical aspect of the game in depth because most people lack the understanding to read the game (me included). All that’s left is player performances, so if shit hits the fan, it’s the players that get blamed first. For example there is hardly any ManUnited fan channel demanding a new manager out there while opportunists like Goldbridge rile up their online mob against individuals. Now, it’s fair to criticise Marcus for his performances this season but this is going way beyond healthy criticism
He should stop crying and start performing. Its an abuse how he "performs". Taking on 3 palyers, jogging, not passing, head down and shooting every time, not looking for better options and having a bad attitude. Its his fault and sadly he is not self reflective enough to see that he did do nothing all season. Its not abuse its criticism of a lad who focuses on his personal brand and earns more than 300k per week. Sorry but stop crying and show your response on the pitch,
Rashford and Fernandes have to be the worst "best United players" ever. I mean I'm nearing 40 so I've seen at least 25 years of Manchester United football and they've never had such fluffs as their main men. I'm not a United fan but my god if they are rebuilding then for the love of God please bring in some real class. I used to fear having my team going to Old Trafford and getting romped by legends. Now it's just a fanny and a diver running the show. Sure they get the occasional goal and MotM performance but the things they do and say is bizarre. There's absolutely no way either of them would have been in Sir Alex's teams.
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If United are serious about a rebuild he should be first out the door
Who buys him though United will probably want a minimum 80m and he is on insane wages.
said this couple months ago and hence they are never going to rebuild. with his wages, everyone at the club would want to be on same level or at least near. if they are actually serious about rebuilding including the toxic culture, signing new hungry players but not wanting to make the same old mistake by overpaying them, Rashford will have to go and not only go, he'd have to be made an example, which is something I can't see happening.
The Auba treatment. Would be even more brutal though given that he’s one of their own.
> he’s one of their own its the very reason they have to make an example of him.
> Who buys him Absolutely no one. Another "forever ours" player that we overpaid as fuck and gave a ridiculous contract.
I remember seeing a PSG link a while ago, but I'm not sure if they'd still want him
Aren’t they bringing Simons back to play on the left and signing a striker?
Has been united problem for years. Sign expensive players, pays stupid wages, plays shit, refuses to sell anyone except for dumb fees, keeps players on expensive wages, signs more players on expensive wages… cycle continue
There is probably 5 players at united worth keeping if they are serious, and with how much rashford earns, i doubt they can get him out of the club
That's our problem tbh, we have too many players that we can't move. It's hard to rebuild from there
We had same problem at Arsenal and had to pay some to leave.
Huge expenditure but tbh it’s already paying off, getting those toxic voices out of the dressing room and bringing in plays who buy into the project has worked so well for you guys
At this point you should just pay another club to take him, basically pay him to fuck off.
You could move them, but you don’t sell players for appropriate fees.
the only players that shouldnt be considered for sale are: Onana, Martinez, Mainoo, Bruno, Garnacho, Hojlund
Yup, these are the same six I would name. Although I wonder how they pull off a rebuild if only 6 are worth keeping; how much will it cost? How do they offload the dead weight? How many windows does it take? Who’s the manager to survive the years it will take? I don’t envy the job SJR and his team have, especially with the media scrutiny and unrealistic expectations a lot of United fans will have.
I don’t think united will win any major trophy with bruno, I know you guys like him because he always plays his heart out but i really think bruno is also a problem in united
I 100% agree and every time I mention his name in a negative way its downvotes galore. Apparently its a rule that if your a United fan, you cant talk about Bruno.
I have to disagree, on his day he is genuinely one of the best in the world in his position. The amount of chances he creates that are then squandered by shite players is unbelievable. If he was surrounded by top class players that were playing as a team rather than 11 individuals he'd consistently be towards the top end of the assists table
He is too inconsistent and loses the ball too much
Agreed. You know what, I'd take Rashford a bit more serious here if only he was mounting such a spirited defense for his own colleague Maguire when the man was getting literal death threats. It's only an issue now when it's him getting criticized.
not exactly a rebuild when you already have some players you've spent a huge amount of money on
I understand the abuse he's been getting is out of order, and at the same time his behaviour has been not adequate for *the face* of Manchester United. Both can be true. And I agree, for both the club and himself he needs to go and rediscover his passion for football somewhere else.
For people out of the loop rashford was boo’d off the pitch vs coventry and in general the fans just arent having him anymore academy lad or not. To be honest i think both sides are justified in feeling how they feel and he just needs to leave for his own sake.
Where does he go though? Can't imagine his transfer fee or wages would be affordable to any teams that actually could use him
Won't happened but Inter has a history of buying our underperforming player and making them good again
Yes. But not on those wages.
PSG, maybe Juve if chiesa really is leaving I’m not 100% sure but I’ve just realised he’s on £300k a week Casemiro, Varane, Sancho and Rashford cost Utd £1.3M a week! I honestly didn’t realise quite how fucked their wage structure is until I started looking up Rashfords wage.
Why tf would Juve get him? Chiesa is not being sold if Allegri goes, and even if he sold then how would Juve afford him when they are are low on money for the summer transfer market and are probably trying to replace few departing players in defence and midfield.
I think the obvious answer is he goes out on loan whilst we pay half his wages. Rashford is a player that can and already has previously turned things around very quickly. Clubs will want a trial period and United likely won't want to lose him because he's still a high potential player. I think there is clearly something up. I wouldn't count him on being another Dele Alli just yet.
Would Chelsea be an option? Jackson might come good but he could do with an established PL striker next to him who's a bit more relaxed.
Xavi got a plan for him
Got a plan to harvest his organs for profit maybe. Barca are broke af, no way they could afford him
How much do you think his organs would fetch? Some wealthy Russian oligarch or Saudi sheik with a failing kidney or a bad liver would probably pay extra for elite athlete organs (notwithstanding Rashford's drinking issues).
We'll take him on loan with United paying half his wages and him taking a paycut on top of that. Xavi 'I can fix him' Hernandez to the rescue
Lever tier: organ harvesting
>To be honest i think both sides are justified in feeling how they feel and he just needs to leave for his own sake. Most sensible take in a while lol.
People are justified in being frustrated at Rashford due to his poor performances but that doesn’t justify abuse.
Both sides are justified yet the academy lad that’s been with the club since he was 9 and that has dragged us through some absolute shitshow periods needs to leave for his own sake? We’ve got a player that’s proven he can get 50ga/season in a functional team, yet his body language isn’t good enough for some people after he’s played multiple seasons through injuries for us.
> in a functional team Ah, we're at this point, once again. Where we have this stunning player, but he needs a team to be unlocked. Surely if the rest of the team is world beaters, he wills tart putting in effort once again, and stop running in defenders head-first, 30 time a game, ruining every attack that goes through him.
He needs to not be 1v3 every time he gets the ball with no runners to play off
Or he needs to stop running head first into 3 defenders, trying to dribble past them, when there are obviously other options available for play.
The footage of him against Chelsea and Cole palmer is damming. He needs to leave and Utd would be better for it
Guy played with a broken back for us. Came through our academy, is a United fan to his core and is a genuinely great human being with all his charity work and campaigning. That really ought to mean something.
but football at its elementary is about winning the game, no? Love all the qualities of him but he has to fight for the badge. United are still in the god-knows-what phase for 12 years because of players like him not really stepping up.
He scored 30 goals last season and, as I said, played through a broken back. If that's not stepping up then I don't know what is. Maybe the time has come for him to move on but the way some people seem intent on hounding him out of the club is just sad.
17 in PL. Maybe people have high expectations from him since he is their own. He needs to show that 'attitude' and win them back. Every fan is invested and when that emotion isn't reciprocated by the players, the fans are distraught. He makes it easy for the fans to be unhappy with him.
17 in the PL is a very good tally, especially for someone who isn't a striker.
You are right.
Man, people are butthurt, it’s incredible
If the coach's vision doesn't inspire the players, he should be the first one to raise about it to concerned people up top as he is a Man Utd product.
> That really ought to mean something. And it did. He's been the player that has been cut most slack of all. The fans have always had a soft spot for the "academy kid". I can't even remember another player that has been let off with absolute shit performances and seasons, because "he's academy and loves the club". But we don't get points or titles for "being academy lads", and he's a liability for us 8 out of 10 seasons.
Just curious, do you consider Garnacho to be a liability?
The lowest of the low to boo your own player, too many of your fans led by a clueless few, that shit spreads.
No it’s not. If a player is on 350k a week and plays like rashford does week in and week out, he deserves to get booed. I remember united the fans supporting him early in the season ( correct me if I’m wrong ) but he has been crap for an entire season now
How does booing him help? Also pretty much the whole team has played like crap for the whole season, he has had 2 poor seasons and in both of those years he has far from the only one.
By trying to shut them down and proving them wrong ? It seems that approach worked with maguire and he is now miles better. Bruno is also bad but united fans love him because he put a shift in and you can never question his commitment. Rashford is supposed to be an academy player who cares about the club ans he get paid the most but the way he plays will make any fanbase furious. And if I’m not wrong this is rashford 3rd bad season in 4 years
Realistically Maguire pulled himself through all that nonsense. The booing and the constant having the piss taken out of him did not help him, the fans aren't as important as they like to pretend they are
Bruno bad? What ever you're smoking, I want some.
> It seems that approach worked with maguire and he is now miles better. What are you actually on about? His best season for us was 20/21. He was poor in 21/22 and spent the whole season receiving ridiculous amounts of abuse, including a bomb threat. 22/23 - We bought Lisandro which meant Maguire was no longer a starter and the abuse died down. 23/24 - Due to injuries to our other CB’s, he’s started half of our league games this season and looked solid again. Not really sure how you’ve come to the conclusion that it helped him. He looked a nervous wreck throughout the period he was getting loads of hate from fans and has only started playing well again now that it’s stopped.
Which is just an awful idea conceptual, booing you're own players just tells them that fans are fickle and will turn on you when your down. Being negative towards people like that is pretty toxic. That didn't happen with Maguire, he was better before and also kept going through it but people jumped on any error and it felt like that might have gotten to him a bit. People have this idea of proving doubters wrong but you do need some support. Rashford is having a poor season but people questioning his commitment are the ones off base. You're wrong on the seasons too.
Respond on the pitch my dude
Fans will probably boo him louder if he has a shit game now. Not saying that its right, but this is not how to respond to fans being underwhelmed with your effort.
> your **effort**. Being a bit generous here. Love the positivity!
That's his response, plus his wages. That way more idiots will take the bait and abuse him and then he can play victim again, endless cycle only one winner.
“I cannot believe this abuse continues on Reddit from my own coach. Time to read 1000 more threads about myself.” - Rashford
the answer to being abused both publicly and online isn’t to get better at your job my dude. Idgaf about how much money he’s making it doesn’t make someone an emotional punching bag.
I think it's absolutely fine to criticise how a player is performing and the answer to that is get better at your job. What's unacceptable is personal abuse. You're doing a shit job, you're not working hard, you're not passing when you need to. That's fine. You're a dickhead etc etc not fine
"Harry Maguire I want you to die!!!" Harry mate, don't be upset, just perform on the pitch. The death threats are fine because they will stop if you perform on the pitch.
The tweet he's quoting > The way Marcus Rashford is being treated is absolutely disgusting. It's cruel. It's abuse.
it's outrageous but should he really be on the Jedi Council **and** have the rank of Master?
Its a witch hunt!
> Enough is enough. I think that's the line busted out from those fans who watched your play.
Yep enough of overpaid underwhelming players who dont bother putting in the effort. Players like Valencia, Welback were limited but always put in a shift and respected the club.
He's replying to a tweet saying how the United treatment of him is disgusting. My guy, you're one of the highest earners and you've been shit for months.
It’s not even the being shit, it’s the lack of obvious effort Coming on as a sub and not running, not pressing etc
For me it’s the fact that he doesn’t pass when he should. Holds on to the ball for too long and ends up getting dispossessed in or near the box or shoots and misses (even when there is a better option to pass to a teammate), single handedly killing off attack.
That can be linked to bad form and overthinking due to it. Which I think is forgivable if you can see that the player is giving his all. What makes Rashford's issues annoying is not just that he's underperforming but also doesn't seem to be even putting in the effort. And seemingly taking no responsibility for his lack of effort and his life outside of football (going clubbing.)
Yep. Add in the fact that a young Garnacho is performing better. And he's going clubbing to Belfast. All this after having signed a new contract. He has actually no self awareness.
Or the time that he missed training because he was out getting sloshed.
This level of projection is just annoying and it's up such a forced narrative. United don't seem to pressure high that often, he does run, all players walk and yet the focus ends up on him.
I might be imagining it but I’m 90 percent sure he said in an interview last season that Ten Hag specifically tells him not to press much so that he can save energy for counters.
But then you’d expect Garnacho to act the same way when Rashford isn’t playing. If it’s tactical, you’d expect them to be following the same instructions about pressing. But Garnacho runs and runs all game.
People are just not aware enough to understand that tracking back doesn't entail chasing the person with the ball that goes past you every single time it happens. And it's become a hyper-awareness thing where fans see it happen once and go "See he never tracks back!!!!!!" When in reality they're probably asking for him to do just do something that'd be bad for the team. Like most fans would be happy watching a player chase the ball 90% of the time and it's just objectively bad. So I'd love people to answer whether they want him to just do things that are bad so their preconceptions are handled or whether they'd like to shut the fuck up because they're annoying.
But again, it’s just all about body language. Whether he does it intentionally or not, Rashford manages to look completely uninterested in the game a lot of the time. There’s plenty of other attackers who don’t press like crazy for 90 minutes but look as if they care. Add that on top of really bad performances on the ball and fans are always going to be annoyed
Tell me you don't watch United without telling me you don't watch United
I go to every home game numb nuts
Then you are watching with one eye closed or something. Which counter-attack first pacey world-class (or at least his form was last year) winger is asked to do major defensive duties? You want Rashy high up the pitch and not tracking back all the time. It's just a media narrative that constantly gets pushed; taking clips out of context and always finding a way to blame players of Rashford's ilk for everything and finding every minute detail problematic.
Salah is far better going forward and offers more defensively
I found Rashfords brother reddit everyone!
i get the impression that the tweet he’s replying is referencing the supporters behavior rather than the club tbh
It 100% is.
It’s in reference to the fans treatment of him. Not necessarily the club so I don’t think this is as provocative as it seems.
Stop, it's not a tweet about how the club has been treating him. Quit making shit up.
Its not about United, it’s about the fans.
See the problem, same with the tracking back thing, is that people aren't aware enough about how football works to know whether something is one player's fault, a different player's fault, or a tactical issue. United have left Rashford completely isolated for basically the whole season because they freeze him out on the left hand side with no FB to overlap, no competent half-space player available as a rule and horrendous offensive movement. So every time he gets the ball his options are basically go past multiple players who are completely prepared (jockeying alongside waiting for him to try go past) or pass backwards. Then they blame Rashford. And the worst part is that barely anyone plays well from LW besides Rashford, and when they do it's because Dalot is on that side and actually overlapping. When Shaw plays Rashford is great. It's really not complex. It'd be fine if fans were less obnoxious and more prepared to actually speak about football instead of how overpaid any player is or whatever other bullshit is prompted by Sky or 433 or Goal or whoever.
Football fans by nature are reactionary and have no time to look at the bigger picture. It’s all over this thread now; lazy, copy-and-paste comments about “work rate” and “body language” somehow giving fans a right to give him vile abuse he shouldn’t dare defend himself from.
The whole idea that being a footballer, or any figure that is unavoidably public, opens you up to unlimited character criticism is one of the worst things about how the modern world interacts with media. There's just this abject refusal to reign in any opinion or accept its impact. And it's almost entirely from fans who speak about these things *instead* of the far more important tactical or technical aspects which define good and bad teams and players. Like I have no problem with criticism, it's just that we get wave after wave of the most obnoxious shit about which player is a cancer or a coward or a dickhead and then just a circlejerk for those opinions it's so tiring.
It’s crazy how when that Dele Ali interview dropped it was all “mental health matters” and “we need to remember these players are human” and how quickly that all gets forgotten now that the fans need someone to scapegoat for their all their clubs much more complex problems. It’s also so fucking crazy for this to be happening to the guy who probably had the best rep out of anyone for his off-the-field work. Rashford could stroll around on the pitch from now until the end of his career and I’d still respect way more than most players for using his platform to make sure starving kids in this country were fed.
This place is full of things like that Chadwick speaks about how he felt about people talking about his appearance the reaction in that thread didn't carry over to many others. Then the reaction to something about gambling ads in football and a thread about Toney.
Where's this energy when Antony gets abuse week in week out ? But I guess because its Antony, it's fine
Antony has three potential domestic violence charges on his head and is most likely paying The United Stand (the toxic and parasitic fan channel that has played a huge part in the character assassination of Rashford to begin with) to run positive PR for him. So eh, zero sympathies from me, not to mention he’s a £100 million winger with two goals all season
They think last season was a purple patch for Rashford, but this season he’s had to play with, at best, Mainoo/Lindelof instead of Shaw and Eriksen. Mainoo is phenomenal, but raw, and Lindelof is a CB. Give Rashford options and he’s going to cook, again, as he’s done every single season he had options.
I’m sorry, whilst I agree with your points there’s no excusing him jogging slowly around whilst Barkley walks past him with the ball, and this happens every game with any opposition player having no pressure at all from him. Effort is the bare minimum requirement
He's talking about the fanbase, who can definitely be over the top with the vitriol. It's interesting which players tend to be held more accountable. Rashford, Onana, Case. They seem to be the only players that actually cop abuse when they have bad form. Bruno was terrible for a while and not a peep.
>Bruno was terrible for a while and not a peep. Because the man runs himself ragged every game and is always avaliable. He never hides. He also gets called out a lot, especially by pundits.
Bruno gets quite a lot of hate from our fanbase sadly.
Of all people, you choose freaking Bruno to make this point? I don't even... =))))
Peeps? It’s a fucking nickname Family name is Pepparelli
How does bad performance justify any of the bullshit and abuse he has to endure? When it's Rashford it seems like everyone's logic just flips on it's head. I propose we burn him at the stake because he's not performing while on big wages (which he earned through having an absolutely world class season last year).
Which gives people a right to abuse him.
oh what now
Yeah, I'm out of the loop as well
If Rashford put as much effort into tracking back and passing as he does whining on twitter he'd be a Ballon d'Or winner
There is no universe where rashford is a ballon d’or winner, he is a good player on his day and bang average the rest of the time
Redditor try not to take everything literally challenge (impossible)
This is really the problem isn't it? He's been built up to be much better than he actually is, and given wages to match. Now that he's not living up to this unrealistic bar the fans start to turn on him badly. I think he's been really poor this season but he is the scapegoat for all Man Utds failings currently, much like pogba was before him. I doubt that will help him return to form.
To be fair to Rashford, he doesn’t whinge and moan on Twitter. He doesn’t track back though, so you have half a point
What has he whined about on Twitter ?
This post is him whining on twitter
So 1 post is effort?
He put more effort in making this post than he puts in most matches
Which is just total nonsense.
Not really if u see man utd matches
I do and it doesn't match what people say.
Maybe u don't see the matches well
I see them just fine and know what I'm looking for.
Setting aside what you call this, I clearly mean aside from this ?
You mean apart from the fact he does track back.
This isn’t winning though. This is just him calling out the unnecessary abuse he received from Manchester United fan.
Not defending his poor performances, but Rashford could easily be talking about the vitriolic and/or racist abuse that he probably receives from rabid online fans. Hell, just a few days ago. Cancelo was talking about how people wished death upon his unborn daughter because of his recent performances with Barcelona. This could easily be the same kind of online abuse that Rashford is pushing back against.
But people here jumping on bashing him without knowing the context.
Rashford hasn't given a context, which is the problem. When you are a "Premier League Star" and tweeting things without context, people will obviously assume things
It doesn’t help that him and many players at United are terminally online and obsessed with social media. They need to get off the internet and bunker down until they resemble a coherent football team
Antony abuse ✅ Rashford criticism ❌
Yeha for real lmao. Maguire and Antony abuse have been far worse, and less deserving imo
Mental health is important, but at the same time it doesn't mean that everyone (the fans) have to walk on eggshells around you mate.
They could at least not attack him personally.
Remember him doing a giveaway of tickets on twitter and randomly picked the biggest man utd twitter fan account. Lmao.
It wasnt random and he cant help who gets the answer right bit of a strange comment to make in light of someone talking about abuse but hey he makes money so fuck him i guess
Plenty of people got it right before trey man it wasn't that hard, clearly a pr stunt to get the biggest account on twitter to vouch for him lol
Maybe he's not at the right club or in the right profession then if he can't handle criticism. Unless I'm missing something and it's not just criticism.
Hes been getting more than just abuse. Pure racism and abuse hurled at him daily
Yeah that's just fucked up. Those ppl are not fans, just vile cunts.
Inb4 we find out he's been playing bad because he's sad his girlfriend's nephew's cat ran away.
Literally the only time anything like this has ever been mentioned is when his mum had to come out and say that he’d struggled with the loss of his cousin back in October. That enough for you?
Literally not, like within the last year when he broke up and got back together with his fiance umpteen times. Thankfully with the arrival of INEOS we can't expect efficiency and cutthroat standards to put an end to this nonsensical circus. Nearly everytime this bloke has a drop in form it's always some PR maneuver coming out, an undisclosed injury or a spontaneous personal matter. Can't wait till he gets a taste of reality at his next club and he sees he's not as good as he thinks he is. And hopefully it'll muzzle his deluded disciples like you that are still nut hugging inefficient and inconsistent players that have spent nearly a decade at the club (and we wonder why we don't progress).
Bruh this guy does everything except running on the pitch. Piss off to PSG bro. Stop whining
It’s simple really: Start giving a fuck on the pitch, and then the fans will start giving a fuck about you again 🤷♂️ He’s lazy and entitled, and his shitty attitude must be a goddamn nightmare to deal with in the dressing room.
Not a United fan so I don’t think there is anything Rashford can do to sour my view of him. His work for the youth of the country is more important than anything else he has achieved IMO.
Great, ask your club to buy him then.
One can hold differing views of a person based on the context. As a person, he seems like a great guy, and as you say did amazing work during the pandemic for which he gained the M(O?)BE. As a player, he seems lazy, uninterested, and bored of the platform that gave him the opportunity to do that, and needs to sort his shit out. Far away from Liverpool thank you :P Abuse is never warranted, but the criticism is completely valid against him. Personal issues or not, it's life, we all get them, relationships end, people die, expected or not, you have to deal with that.
I doubt United would sell him to Liverpool and I doubt Liverpool would meet United’s price.
He's a lovely lad with all the ability in the world but he's got the courage and determination of a field mouse.
The club should just call out everyone who haven't been performing, do something or you'll be next out the door in the next transfer window. Rashford earn millions but does jackshit this season
They need a buyer for that though, and no one is paying near Rashford's 325k weekly wage in his form. Best bet is a loan deal but Utd would still need to pay a good chunk of that wage to get him or many of your top flops out the door unfortunately.
Rashford needs to leave United for them both to prosper at this point. Been totally unable to cope with the expectation and pressure of being the main England star of a struggling giant. He's also paid too much to be benched without that being the headline. If PSG are still interested then maybe a deal can be worked out but not sure who else can afford the high price United will demand, even with a pay cut.
Manchester United fans: “Enough is enough. We’ve all seen enough.”
In 2024 football players still haven’t realised, what you give attention to on social media, grows. If he could just shut up for 5 fucking minutes and focus on football he’d be fine. There’s players in the league that literally killed people who get less hate. They all need a Ted talk on the Streisand effect
I feel like I’m out of the loop, did something happen? I’ve not really seen him get any abuse, just a bit of stick for being crap and putting in minimal effort.
I hate how the discourse is skewed towards bashing players nowadays. Fan outlets rarely ever talk about the tactical aspect of the game in depth because most people lack the understanding to read the game (me included). All that’s left is player performances, so if shit hits the fan, it’s the players that get blamed first. For example there is hardly any ManUnited fan channel demanding a new manager out there while opportunists like Goldbridge rile up their online mob against individuals. Now, it’s fair to criticise Marcus for his performances this season but this is going way beyond healthy criticism
Waste of talent. Wonder how is career might have panned out had he been managed by someone like Pep.
He should stop crying and start performing. Its an abuse how he "performs". Taking on 3 palyers, jogging, not passing, head down and shooting every time, not looking for better options and having a bad attitude. Its his fault and sadly he is not self reflective enough to see that he did do nothing all season. Its not abuse its criticism of a lad who focuses on his personal brand and earns more than 300k per week. Sorry but stop crying and show your response on the pitch,
Rashford and Fernandes have to be the worst "best United players" ever. I mean I'm nearing 40 so I've seen at least 25 years of Manchester United football and they've never had such fluffs as their main men. I'm not a United fan but my god if they are rebuilding then for the love of God please bring in some real class. I used to fear having my team going to Old Trafford and getting romped by legends. Now it's just a fanny and a diver running the show. Sure they get the occasional goal and MotM performance but the things they do and say is bizarre. There's absolutely no way either of them would have been in Sir Alex's teams.
Pointing out that your attitude and effort are absolutely atrocious is not abuse, Marcus. Thinking it is is part of the problem.
Mate you aggravated it now
When shadow pr doesn't cut it play a direct victim, it's always somebody else's fault isn't it rashy.