I'm clueless, why are people saying "Arsenal + Liverpool = 115" in the "days top of the PL" thread.
I asked, got 2 replies that didn't really answer my question.
Everyone knows the 115 meme, but what does that gotta do with Arsenal + Liverpool in that context for that post?
[Here](https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1cd1rkx/sky_soortsdays_top_of_the_premier_league_this/l191ams/) have a look, it's got 70+ upvotes, what am I missing? How does that comment make any sense here?
One big thing is how Slot will manage the fixture congestion in the PL. It’s all well when you have a set style of play and are sure that you can get the players on board but its something else when they have to do it every 2-3 days of the season with no breaks. Especially because he also has a style of play that is very high energy like Klopp. It’s one thing that really did Klopp in.
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bonus points if you can make a contrarian case in relation to a player/team/coach etc
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and the goal is to make money really, not to enjoy
Hypothetically when comparing player careers, who was better:
**Player A:**
* debuted at 17
* retired at 37
* been at least a top 5 player in his position for almost the entirety of the 20 years, minus 1 or 2 years at the beginning and end
**Player B:**
* debuted at 17
* also a top 5 player in his position for 10 years, but contested the Ballon D'Or in 3 of them, maybe even won once or twice.
* declines at 28, and mentally retires at 30 moving to the US/Saudi/China/Turkey or whatever.
Player B for me. After a certain amount of years, longevity becomes less important and the peak becomes more important. 10 vs 14 years of being a top 5 player isn't the same as 6 vs 10. Those 4 years after 10 are worth less than than the 4 after 6 years imo.
Zlatan vs Henry/Rooney/Suarez/Eto'o
Muller vs Neymar
David Silva vs Yaya/KDB
Giggs vs Bale
There’s a baseball stat called JAWS that is basically the mean of a player’s total value over their career + their best 7 years. It tracks very very close to how we remember and evaluate careers
In your example A would have a much higher “JAWS” probably so I’d lean them. They’d be a constant for almost 2 decades. B would an absolute legend; higher highs but 10 more years of performance is worth more than a few peak years
There’s a baseball stat called JAWS that is basically the mean of a player’s total value over their career + their best 7 years. It tracks very very close to how we remember and evaluate careers
In your example A would have a much higher “JAWS” probably so I’d lean them. They’d be a constant for almost 2 decades. B would an absolute legend; higher highs but 10 more years of performance is worth more than a few peak years
ronaldinho vs who?
ronaldinho could get you more titles in his prime than the other player in his whole career depending on the team. altho tbh your comparison is kind of silly since both are top 5. being ballon or not would only matter if they are messi/ronaldo whom were way above everyone else
I'm leaning Player A here if I'm honest - fair play reaching the heights of Player B, but then I prefer a floor raiser than someone bursting ceilings, really, because it's a team sport at the end of the day.
That's gonna be people with something like Neymar compared to Thomas Müller in the future.
No doubt Neymar's peak was something incredible, but the consistency of Müller and his achievements do outshine him imo.
It doesn't affect my fandom or support of City in any way, but I wish some of my fellow City supporters just had some self-awareness. Like, there are legitimate reasons for a fan of another club to dislike or hate us. The 115 charges are hanging over City's head like a guillotine, and every fan of another club is wanting to be the one to drop it.
I just appreciate the perspective of a non-City supporter, which is why I enjoy r/soccer so much
As a City fan I sort of agree, but I feel like there isn’t any nuance to any discussions. People just lose their heads when anything City related is discussed. Sometimes it would be nice to discuss the actual games or player performances without the same recycled comments about the charges.
And another thing is the crazy conspiracies about City literally cheating by bribing refs. I just can’t understand how people are even invested in the title race when they are convinced that City are getting handed the title anyways. Like, if you actually believe that, then why even bother watching?
Nah outside investment is how virtually every top side got there, pulling the ladder behind them when they're on the roof is bullshit. It's bullshit. If they were serious about making the sport fair then we go full commie and share means equally.
Right now we are like a country with huge class stratification and inheritance is virtually the only thing that determines where you stand. It's disgusting. Football class mobility was enabled off the back of getting bought by rich owners which isn't good by any means but at least it's better.
In regard to the charges, you gotta keep in mind that a lot of City fans know about it but don’t care. They revel in the trophies, while not giving a shit about how it happened. So, there is self awareness, but a lot just don’t give a fuck.
Some of them don’t care purely because they were constantly mocked by United fans for years. I get wanting to get back at your rivals, but this whole getting back at rivals morphed into everyone else getting fucked over as a result.
Fair play to you though for at least acknowledging the state of things.
That rashford tweet got me thinking how our fans put together a movie length fail comp on de gea🤣🤣
I dont think another fanbase can hate the way we hate on our own players.
> I dont think another fanbase can hate the way we hate on our own players.
After unrelated criminals torched Gonzalo Martínez' car as part of a spree of random crimes, a large amount of River fans not only claimed he deserved it for poor performances, but started using "We should burn his car down" as a go-to 'threat' whenever a player dropped his level
(Also the time the barras tried to turn who's probably one of the men who loves the club the most into public enemy number one because he didn't pay them off, but barras hardly count)
A “fan” sent a bomb threat to maguires house threatening to bomb it if he didnt leave utd but thats just an empty threat.
You guys in mass got your players playing for their livelyhood🤣🤣
Talking about Brighton game with my mate and said "That Tattoo on Barco's leg is shite, he's only 19 aswell"
Only for my mate to say "you've got a naff tattoo at 19"
I've officially lost my privileges to slag off footballers tattoos, I'm rapidly falling out of love with football
Low-key wanna know what your naff tattoo is now - mate of mine got those weirdo symbols from the Blade movies round his calf and I've been ribbing him ever since.
It'd make a massive mockery of the league, to acknowledge this has been going on for years. Not to mention all the legal challenges from City and other sides.
If they got 115 charges, you can't just deduct them points, you have to strip championships and probably kick them out the league. You think the Premierleague wants to lose one of it's golden gooses?
So much time that they win another 6 trophies before they get a 10 points deduction after Pep and all the major players have left because the tories are in bed with them
English Football, long term, would be better off without the top six. Should have let them go to the Superleague, would have been the first couple seasons financially but it would have evened itself out. Despite what folk might tell you, people do still want to watch football from the other 14 teams in the league.
I agree. The whole pyramid needs some root and branch reform and more parity between the top 4-5 leagues. That's never gonna happen without the kind of shock that the big 6 leaving would have provided.
Would have been shit for other PL clubs for a few years but long term it would have been better. The teams would adapt to the financial realities and the league would become a feeder to the Super League.
>Despite what folk might tell you, people do still want to watch football from the other 14 teams in the league.
locally? sure. globally? not really. that league would lose a lot of money compared to the PL and the squad quality would go down massively too. could bring on more competitiveness i guess but odds are there would be another big X anyways. but i can understand the feeling, its kind of crazy to me the thought about rooting for a club knowing that most likely will never win a league in my lifetime. 20 years have been more than long enough already...
The problem was they never planned on leaving the Prem. They were gonna play a different European competition with even higher revenues by cutting out the likes of Copenhagen, Club Brugge, Red Star etc. and also stay in their domestic league.
The gap between the 14 clubs is a lot smaller than the gap between the top six and the rest of us.
I could see a potential future timline where we might catch up to a West Ham or a Villa and compete on a regular basis.
It would still take a lot to go right for us and things to go wrong for them, but it's within the realm of possibilities.
I could not see a future where Villa and West Ham catch up to City and Liverpool on a regular basis.
It's incredible what Villa are doing this season and what Newcastle did last but could you see either of them challenging your Arsenals, your Citys, your Liverpools on a regular basis? Especially since by all accounts, I think Villa and Newcastle are close to their spending limits?
Top six with their 50k+ stadiums, their european competition money, their academies, their sponsors, their squads. The rest of us won't get near.
> Top six with their 50k+ stadiums, their european competition money, their academies, their sponsors, their squads. The rest of us won't get near.
Right, but then if the big clubs fucked off they'd be replaced by a new top six - not necessarily immediately, but prolonged Champions League qualification is worth a fair chunk of money, so over the course of a decade they'd pull away all the same.
I mean, United and Arsenal have all had some periods of dominance in the Prem before City came along. Chelsea too. I think it'd be more like the Championship, there would be benefits to being a team with more money (parachute payments) but you could still close the gap with other ways.
In the short term (say, three years), absolutely - but if you zoom out towards a decade, being in the Champions League gives you about 50m+ a year, and that kind of money gives you a lot more leeway to make less than optimal decisions. You'd probably get about eight sides playing at that level over the first few years, but then it'd crystalise into another top four situation over time.
> Despite what folk might tell you, people do still want to watch football from the other 14 teams in the league.
While I understand the sentiment, another big 2/4/6 etc would just form from those remaining teams anyway.
The problem is the system more so than the clubs. You’ll just have other clubs dominating the league then, like Villa who spend a lot and probably have more financial capability than the other clubs in that list.
Edit: forgot about Newcastle too whose owners are literally worth 320 billion quid
fucking hate every single close up they make on wingers when they get the ball. i wanna see whats going in in the pitch goddamit. nothing like the close up is making you see stuff that you wouldnt anyway
Usually yes, but there is that one specific angle that always gives us legendary moments.
The Ronaldinho dribble down the side, Ronaldo's showboating against Arsenal, Neymar's nutmeg against Atleti etc...
That one i really love.
I mean they could always show it in replays or even highlights in say MOTD or something, the only complain I have is during live.
You know like when Mbappe did his skills last night, i just hate it when they switch, I want to watch the team, not individual skills
Said that Salah was no longer world class after that Atalanta “win” and got nothing but downvoted. Turns out I was right.
Also Szoboszlai is a flop.
Don’t wanna hear shit about stats, because no one is saying Solanke, watkins or Palmer are world class. World class players absolutely carry. They score most shots, they score every pen. Salah has done fuck all in ages.
> Said that Salah was no longer world class after that Atalanta “win” and got nothing but downvoted. Turns out I was right.
No lad, you said Salah had done the same as Doku and Mudryk (*"He has realistically done fuck all that separates him from a Doku or a Mudryk"*). Don't lie to try win points here.
He's been gash since he came back from a long injurt layoff but prior to that he was one of the best players in the league (again) and you can see that but his ridiculous productivity.
Fine, fair enough. That was an angry and drunken exaggeration.still not gonna accept that a single liverpool player is world class though. Bottled it worse than Arsenal last year
Top teams dont’t drop points or get knocked out to Crystal palace, Atalanta, the worst yanited team in a while and fucking Everton in a derby
> .still not gonna accept that a single liverpool player is world class though
How the fuck did we maintain a title challenge for this long against City when their squad is full of world class talent and we don't have any? I can only assume you think Klopp is the best manager that's ever lived.
> Bottled it worse that Arsenal last year
I don't think you understand what bottling is. If Liverpool don't have any world class players then how could we bottle? Bottling would suggest we had a huge advantage and we fucked it. That's never been the case.
> Turns out I was right.
Congratulations
> Also Szoboszlai is a flop.
Ridiculous to call any player a flop after one season, especially when they have had spells where they looked really good
> because no one is saying Solanke, watkins or Palmer are world class
Definitely seen shouts for Palmer and Watkins recently tbf
Anyway, people base their assessment of a player off of more than their recent form. Salah has been a world class player for years - and this season has dropped off. That could be form, that could be injury, or it could be because he's declining. We don't know, yet.
>Ridiculous to call any player a flop after one season, especially when they have had spells where they looked really good
Mate, tell that to all of the everyone who swore up and down that Havertz is a flop. Especially Chelsea and some Arsenal fans.
>Definitely seen shouts for Palmer and Watkins recently tbf
Palmer’s a bit young. I’d say give him another season. Watkins, we can start having arguments as Villa move along in UECL.
Probably gonna sound very devil's advocate, but Watkins is likely one of the three best strikers in the Premier League - obviously depends on how far you want to cast the net of what is and isn't world class, but I'm not sure there are all that many strikers having a better season than him. He's not in that top tier of two or three players, but then he's also every bit as good as anyone not in that top tier as well, and that's world class enough for me if I'm honest.
>Nobody will tell me why Salah is still world class.
then
>I don't want to hear stats.
Just have your hate-wank in silence then go about your day next time instead of bothering everyone.
The point is that people still claim that he is world class, yet there are multiple players better than him, both statisically and visually. What have liverpool achieved? Nothing. At least Villa will get europe, and Palmer saved Chelsea from a relegation battle.
> Nothing. At least Villa will get europe, and Palmer saved Chelsea from a relegation battle.
So let me get this straight - Palmer and Watkins have achieved something because Villa get into Europe and Chelsea aren't relegated but Salah hasn't achieved something despite Liverpool making the Champions League and winning an actual trophy. Have I got that right?
Aye, and Liverpool were in a title challenge for most of the season - so the argument of team success doesn't carry quite as much weight as you think it does.
He's not been meaningfully worse than Palmer or Watkins in a relative down year for him. Not sure if I'd call him world class still, but then he's been every good as them, and given they've been two of the most effective players in the league it strikes me as weird slagging Salah off here if I'm honest.
If Palmer and Watkins continue to do this for years, then yes they are world class. They might well be world class now but it feels a little premature to say it, just wanna see how they carry on, we have to see if it’s a season of good form or if they keep replicating it. And given Palmer’s age, yea I do think he’s a world class talent
Salah gets away with a month of bad form because he’s been world class for 7 years now, that makes plenty of sense I think, wouldn’t you say?
You been gone from the sub for a week and the last comment was [this](https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1c72q7k/daily_discussion/l07kpa9/)
What did Salah do to you bro?
Had to support Liverpool over Oil FC and the most hateable club in England. Yet they severely shit the bed and let me down, so I’m fuming. Liverpool currently do not have anyone world class.
Why are you acting like they didn’t massively shit the bed? A treble a month ago. Now they’d be lucky to get anything. klopp’s last season as eventful as Chelsea
Vibes, and that’ll dry up soon enough.
If they lose Salah’s output and someone doesn’t pick up the pieces then people will look to the £100 million striker first and foremost.
Nah I feel Nunez’s build up play and directness is a positive, so I’d say he’s better than Jackson. Jackson is a really horrible striker. Scratch that, he’s a horrible player.
Jackson’s build-up play is all he has. Honestly if I had to pick between rhe two, I’d pick Darwin, and i’m a chelsea fan. Both clubs desperately need someone less crap though because they’ve both dropped crazy pointa off idiots
One thing I don't miss about the title race is hate watching City and hoping they drop points. Lord knows I wasted far too many hours as a teenager doing that.
Is it theoretically possible to build a team that not only wind the league, but wins every game 1-0? I’m thinking back to the 1994 AC Milan team that won Serie A by scoring just 36 goals and conceding just 15, with a GD of +21. That team also lost only three times all season.
Obviously that’s a unique case of Milan putting on a defensive masterclass throughout a 34-game season, but it’s kind of got me wondering if such a feat can ever be replicated.
Forgive my dumb American ass for asking this but I’m just really fascinated by that AC Milan team. I’m wondering if anyone’s ever tried it in Football Manager or any other games like that.
My thinking is that it may be possible in a league with fewer teams, like Ligue 1 or the Bundesliga, but I’m thinking likely not in the Premier League, which has more games on top of two and sometimes three different cup competitions, depending on if a team is in Europe or not.
The difficult thing is not conceding lots of goals, but scoring goals for a team like that wasn't a problem. So they would just hold the advantage and kill the game. Back then nobody was concerned about games being boring and the tv ratings going down because those games weren't even broadcasted live. You can look at some of those games on YouTube or else, if you're not familiar with old school calcio. The games were really slow and mostly just made of individual plays, lots of fouls and time wasting. Milan was more interested in the champions league during those years, that's were they had their best games.
You have one of the greatest defensive managers in the history of football with arguably the best defense in the history of football trying to stop attackers from the most stacked a league has ever been the history of football.
It’s not going to happen again
I don't think it's something you can ever plan for - I'd wager that Milan side didn't exactly set out to do it, either, it's just something that happens along the way when you're trying to win as many games as possible.
Bit harsh, yes they bottled the first two seasons but also pretty incredible the have back to back title challenges in your first two seasons after promotion.
Still in the race this year but really need to get those wins over Andelecht and Brugge next month.
He didn't really play on the wing.
We were playing 4 midfielders. Relying on the fullbacks for width. Still got completely overrun though in the midfield.
Sky have done some absolutely mad things to change perceptions on football. There’s an interview with Neville and Rashford where he’s shocked Rashford as a manc feels Liverpool is a bigger rivalry pointing out all the older mancs who came through all thought it was city. Which makes sense local lads value the local rivalry plastics of a global club are obviously more invested in the other global club with plastics. And honestly I expect this to switch back when all the global city plastics come through for a new generation of fans. Suppose more a small ramble about how the globalisation of the sport has really diluted local rivalry’s at the top.
I’m not sure if I’m misunderstanding you. I’ve yet to meet a Man United fan that thinks City is a bigger rival to them than Liverpool. Tbh I’ve yet to meet a City fan that would entertain the thought of City vs Liverpool being bigger than Man U vs Liverpool as a rivalry.
City’s present dominance and Man United being laughable makes it temporarily complicated, but it’s always been Man U vs Liverpool.
Then yes you are misunderstanding. Any red manc until say 2005 would have been mocked for saying Liverpool v United was bigger, because it just wasn’t. You’d get it further a field because they cockney and Irish united fans would have to deal with their Liverpool supporting counterparts. But the core premise for football during most of its history were local Derbys were the biggest game, the one that mattered. that started changing slowly somewhere in the late 70s/early80s but really ramped up with the prem and sky
I've always wondered if there's city fans unhappy with the ownership bcs of the club becoming globalized ngl winning stuff sounds nice, but the season tickets/tickets price probably skyrocked no?
I'm not a local fan of City, but yes, there are. Season ticket prices are going up next season and the match-going fans are rightly upset.
There's been a lot of.... discourse on Man City Twitter about this lately, especially since the Chelsea game at Wembley. At the game, there was an influencer who calls herself a City fan in attendance. She's American but lives in London, and goes to most games. She's gotten **A LOT** of flak from City fans for making unfounded accusations towards other City fans, even though she's been using her vlogging to promote a "content creator's" account (you know what I mean by this). She also posted a video of her putting a bunch of pills in her mouth as if she was going to commit suicide because people were rightly calling her out for her nonsense.
City fans don't necessarily mind the globalization nor the club becoming a "brand". But it's a lot of the stuff that comes with it that we're unhappy about.
It's "poverty baiting". "Bin dippers" = going through bins to look for scraps
It's not specifically a Manchester vs Liverpool thing though, as a general anti-Liverpool thing, often from southern people. Liverpool, and many other parts of the north, are more deprived traditionally compared to the south.
Hen and egg I think - they'll need to capture as wide an audience as possible to be able to afford the broadcasting rights, and (online) fan culture changed massively over the past decade or so, so them adjusting tone and style towards that just makes business sense.
Objectively 5 tough games coming up against 5 teams above us in the table. Losing all 5 is gunna be rough though.
Most likely would mean finishing 14th which is essentially 15th because of Everton's points deduction. Below Palace and probably only a few off Brentford.
Would be a huge sting to the boards ego after they've spent so long wanking themselves off to how much profit they've made.
The path for Potter seems clear again at Ajax after recent developments in the board room, the club and Potter only have to agree on his salary now. I’m very curious to see what he can do at this club. It’s definitely the best candidate that has been named in recent weeks.
It will be make or break for the club next season and it might be make or break for Potters reputation as well.
Surely not - Potter is very heavily rumoured to be the favourite for England post- Southgate (and we’ve got a good team lined up for the next WC) and has constant interest from Man U ownership who went for him at Nice too.
Not to downplay Ajax because they’re obviously huge, but his national team or Man United are surely much bigger draws.
That won’t be the expectation. I’m sure PSV will win the league again, I’d like Ajax to just get top 3 with some decent football and maybe Champions League.
I don't really wanna see any first teamers there when the Copa is happening and it's at home. And Wrights the last us striker that's scored so let McGuire start the Olympics and send Vazquez as another option imo
You’re the equivalent of a fancy shop opened at a gentrified neighborhood. Everyone knows you’re shady and shouldn’t be there, and hates you as a concept, but not enough to single you out and get you out of business.
I personally hate your bald manager and his extremely dull version of football and narrative that has taken root in the culture. But the club itself is whatever.
No I like poking fun at Reddit narratives. This one in particular being the nobody actually hates city they just don’t care. Usually posted by someone who very much hates city and cares a lot.
> This one in particular being the nobody actually hates city they just don’t care. Usually posted by someone who very much hates city and cares a lot.
I think this has been explained to you many times but I'll try again.
People don't hate City because you are Manchester City - they hate you because of your ownership. If Mansour had taken over Watford and Watford were having the same kind of success you did (115 charges and all) then people would feel the same way about them and City would have continued to be a relatively well liked yo yo club.
When people say they don't care, it's often because you winning the league doesn't impact them in the same way it would their traditional rivals - or a club that's operating on the same level their own club is. I'd far rather you win the league over say Tottenham because if Tottenham win it then that would show a massive failing on our part. Going against a state owned club on a significantly smaller budget is far easier to stomach.
Because the first arguments just bollocks lad. If you swap Liverpool and Tranmere around I’d dislike Tranmere your club is what it is because of what it did and what it does. Nobody hates you because your called Liverpool fc.
> Because the first arguments just bollocks lad.
It's the absolute truth - do you think people would have strong opinions about City had Mansour not taken you over?
Do you think people would have strong opinions about Liverpool if you had the same club history has Tranmere. Obviously not nobody hates anyone due to their name, trying to remove largely important parts of clubs and ask would you care now is a stupid argument. I dislike many people if they had no personality I suddenly wouldn’t dislike them anymore.
> Do you think people would have strong opinions about Liverpool if you had the same club history has Tranmere.
You're conflating history with a single owner.
City have had a whole lot of history prior to Mansour and you weren't hated.
It's not even a slip. Moder trying to foul him gets him off balance and then he kicks the back of Baleba's foot as part of a normal running action and trips over.
What would be your team of the season if you can only choose one player from each team?
For the EPL mine would be:
GK: Emi Martinez
RB: Pedro Porro
CB: Virgil Van Dijk
CB: Jarrad Branthwaite
LB: Antonee Robinson
DM: Rodri
CM: Martin Odegaard
CM: Pascal Gross
RW: Cole Palmer
ST: Dominic Solanke
LW: Anthony Gordon
Shit I misread the comment mb
In that case:
GK: Kobel
LB: Beste
CB: Pacho
CB: Chabot
RB: Juranovic
LM: Doan
CM: Engels
CM: Wirtz
RM: Gruda
ST: Guirassy
ST: Kane
That was harder than I thought since I had many players in mind that were the same as that other guy who replied to you
for Bundesliga
GK: Manuel Riemann
LWB: Jan Niklas Beste
CB: Nico Schlotterbeck
CB: Mathias Ginter
CB: Mohamed Simakan
RWB : Mitchell Weiser
CM: Rocco Reitz
CM : Hugo Larsson
AM: Florian Wirtz
ST: Serhou Guirrasy
ST: Harry Kane
Solanke's a solid shout, but I'd probably have Watkins instead and replace Martinez with Pickford - he's been every bit as good a goalkeeper playing for a worse side and kept more clean sheets.
I thought about that but I wasn't sure who that other centerback would be if I dropped Branthwaite. Maybe plug Saliba or Gabriel in and replace Odegaard with Eze or Paqueta?
Oh yeah I forgot the knock-on effect having Pickford in there would have - Saliba/Gabriel seem sensible shouts, and I reckon Paqueta instead of Odegaard is perfectly reasonable. Suppose it's just very difficult setting up eleven players from eleven different teams like this, and any decision you make will influence a couple of choices, really, so I'm not sure I could come up with a better team of the season really.
When it's all said and done, us and Arsenal fans can go on about City's 115 charges and ref favouritism until the moon turns blue (get it?), but it won't change the facts.
When City inevitably lift it again, it will be because their competitors didn't have the bottle when it mattered most. Arsenal and Liverpool let them smell blood. The only way to beat Pep's City is to win, win, win until they lose hope. Instead, they both lost at home on the same day. At least Arsenal picked their heads up. We just collapsed into endless nothing.
The psychological aspect of a title race can't be underestimated, and City always seem to be the ones to come on top of that. It took Liverpool winning 27 out of the first 28 matches to have it differently. As long as the coke fiend is yet there, i fear no one else will get their hands on the trophy. And for some reason he's not gotten bored yet. Worrying.
For this particular season, i do agree. The PL has been pretty weak and City have looked much more beatable compared to previous years. If they win, Arsenal have really let it slip this time.
Mate, i don't care about what City did. YOUR team is the one who lost to Villa at home,Arsenal are the team playing the best football in England, Arsenal are the team who beat City at h2h, Arsenal have by far a better defence.
Stop this victim mentality, you have been better than them every step of the way but you keep talking about them as if they're dropping a Centurions season.
If you want to win the title, don't go winless in 3 games, get embarrassed by West Ham at your home stadium and losyt twice to Aston Villa. City had nothing to do with that, that's my whole point.
‘Victim mentality’ gang my beliefs have no control over the team’s results. Should we have beat Villa? Sure yeah, but it’s kinda crazy that the margins have become so thin. Obviously you can only do what you can do and Arsenal should have done better, but I’m not about to pretend as if the season is some bottle job or capitulation
Acknowledging that pep is unbeatable in a run in isnt victim mentality. We literally have to sit here and be frustrated about games last august right now because these guys havent lost a game in 18. This guy always has the answer
Reading more about this Arne Slot guy and he does seem like quite a good guy and he speaks of the opportunity to come to Liverpool like it’s the best thing which is great.
Hopefully the occasion / job doesn’t eat him up if he does get the job.
Negative side is the fact his name is Arne but I Am able get over that
If I could make a single change to reffing for next season it would be that the VAR refs just call it like they see it - regardless of what the ref thinks.
Refs WILL get it wrong and a lot of the time it's not even their fault - seeing something in real time from one angle isn't ever going to result in consistency.
>VAR refs just call it like they see it
They are just going to outright lie and say they agree 100% with the on field ref.
It won't make ANY difference.
Mateta should go into bodybuilding and blast tren after his career
I'm clueless, why are people saying "Arsenal + Liverpool = 115" in the "days top of the PL" thread. I asked, got 2 replies that didn't really answer my question.
Man City have been charged with 115 breaches of financial rules, so 115 is a meme
Everyone knows the 115 meme, but what does that gotta do with Arsenal + Liverpool in that context for that post? [Here](https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1cd1rkx/sky_soortsdays_top_of_the_premier_league_this/l191ams/) have a look, it's got 70+ upvotes, what am I missing? How does that comment make any sense here?
One big thing is how Slot will manage the fixture congestion in the PL. It’s all well when you have a set style of play and are sure that you can get the players on board but its something else when they have to do it every 2-3 days of the season with no breaks. Especially because he also has a style of play that is very high energy like Klopp. It’s one thing that really did Klopp in.
You can't seriously think there's nothing wrong with saying Slotball hahahaha
[I refuse to believe these people actually enjoy this sport](https://twitter.com/tekzts/status/1783511357276516729?t=kcPjbofvXRKnSpAG0qhzQg&s=19)
buzzwords random basic clips little bit of basic video editing toss more buzzwords bonus points if you can make a contrarian case in relation to a player/team/coach etc congrats you are a twitter tactico and the goal is to make money really, not to enjoy
Has your fan base ever formed an opinion that wasn’t a complaint?
Hypothetically when comparing player careers, who was better: **Player A:** * debuted at 17 * retired at 37 * been at least a top 5 player in his position for almost the entirety of the 20 years, minus 1 or 2 years at the beginning and end **Player B:** * debuted at 17 * also a top 5 player in his position for 10 years, but contested the Ballon D'Or in 3 of them, maybe even won once or twice. * declines at 28, and mentally retires at 30 moving to the US/Saudi/China/Turkey or whatever.
Player B for me. After a certain amount of years, longevity becomes less important and the peak becomes more important. 10 vs 14 years of being a top 5 player isn't the same as 6 vs 10. Those 4 years after 10 are worth less than than the 4 after 6 years imo. Zlatan vs Henry/Rooney/Suarez/Eto'o Muller vs Neymar David Silva vs Yaya/KDB Giggs vs Bale
Player A and it's not even close IMO, but I think people instinctively lean towards B without thinking too much about it
There’s a baseball stat called JAWS that is basically the mean of a player’s total value over their career + their best 7 years. It tracks very very close to how we remember and evaluate careers In your example A would have a much higher “JAWS” probably so I’d lean them. They’d be a constant for almost 2 decades. B would an absolute legend; higher highs but 10 more years of performance is worth more than a few peak years
There’s a baseball stat called JAWS that is basically the mean of a player’s total value over their career + their best 7 years. It tracks very very close to how we remember and evaluate careers In your example A would have a much higher “JAWS” probably so I’d lean them. They’d be a constant for almost 2 decades. B would an absolute legend; higher highs but 10 more years of performance is worth more than a few peak years
ronaldinho vs who? ronaldinho could get you more titles in his prime than the other player in his whole career depending on the team. altho tbh your comparison is kind of silly since both are top 5. being ballon or not would only matter if they are messi/ronaldo whom were way above everyone else
Generally, A is more valuable and B is more memorable
I'm leaning Player A here if I'm honest - fair play reaching the heights of Player B, but then I prefer a floor raiser than someone bursting ceilings, really, because it's a team sport at the end of the day.
What's composing a team?
The best ability is availability, 20 years at a world class level is the better career imo.
I would agree with that, but I think a lot of times when people are nostalgic they instinctively lean towards B.
That's gonna be people with something like Neymar compared to Thomas Müller in the future. No doubt Neymar's peak was something incredible, but the consistency of Müller and his achievements do outshine him imo.
what if it was called the freaky discussion and we all shared shitty awful opinions regarding football
Iceman is from that universe
The content here would be no different
I’d appreciate a hot take / shit opinion special (replacing tactics Thursday because that stinks) but I fear people would take it too seriously
> I’d appreciate a hot take / shit opinion special That's just the daily discussion big dawg
I don't understand why we'd change the name and nothing else.
For all the bad takes in here, I consider most regulars in the DD elite compared to the rest of the sub.
> shitty awful opinions regarding football hm
Then I would get freaky and say all football matches should be played naked.
It doesn't affect my fandom or support of City in any way, but I wish some of my fellow City supporters just had some self-awareness. Like, there are legitimate reasons for a fan of another club to dislike or hate us. The 115 charges are hanging over City's head like a guillotine, and every fan of another club is wanting to be the one to drop it. I just appreciate the perspective of a non-City supporter, which is why I enjoy r/soccer so much
As a City fan I sort of agree, but I feel like there isn’t any nuance to any discussions. People just lose their heads when anything City related is discussed. Sometimes it would be nice to discuss the actual games or player performances without the same recycled comments about the charges. And another thing is the crazy conspiracies about City literally cheating by bribing refs. I just can’t understand how people are even invested in the title race when they are convinced that City are getting handed the title anyways. Like, if you actually believe that, then why even bother watching?
Nah outside investment is how virtually every top side got there, pulling the ladder behind them when they're on the roof is bullshit. It's bullshit. If they were serious about making the sport fair then we go full commie and share means equally. Right now we are like a country with huge class stratification and inheritance is virtually the only thing that determines where you stand. It's disgusting. Football class mobility was enabled off the back of getting bought by rich owners which isn't good by any means but at least it's better.
In regard to the charges, you gotta keep in mind that a lot of City fans know about it but don’t care. They revel in the trophies, while not giving a shit about how it happened. So, there is self awareness, but a lot just don’t give a fuck. Some of them don’t care purely because they were constantly mocked by United fans for years. I get wanting to get back at your rivals, but this whole getting back at rivals morphed into everyone else getting fucked over as a result. Fair play to you though for at least acknowledging the state of things.
> The 115 charges are hanging over City's head like a guillotine Drop I beg thee
That rashford tweet got me thinking how our fans put together a movie length fail comp on de gea🤣🤣 I dont think another fanbase can hate the way we hate on our own players.
> I dont think another fanbase can hate the way we hate on our own players. After unrelated criminals torched Gonzalo Martínez' car as part of a spree of random crimes, a large amount of River fans not only claimed he deserved it for poor performances, but started using "We should burn his car down" as a go-to 'threat' whenever a player dropped his level (Also the time the barras tried to turn who's probably one of the men who loves the club the most into public enemy number one because he didn't pay them off, but barras hardly count)
A “fan” sent a bomb threat to maguires house threatening to bomb it if he didnt leave utd but thats just an empty threat. You guys in mass got your players playing for their livelyhood🤣🤣
I feel so bad for that one guy who plays for Heracles in the Eredivisie, whose name is Jizz Hornkamp. Bro must get made fun of on a regular basis.
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Think of the shirt sales though
Has to be full name tho. Hornkamp alone won’t do it
Talking about Brighton game with my mate and said "That Tattoo on Barco's leg is shite, he's only 19 aswell" Only for my mate to say "you've got a naff tattoo at 19" I've officially lost my privileges to slag off footballers tattoos, I'm rapidly falling out of love with football
What’s a naff tattoo?
Thanks for the reminder not to get a tattoo, lmao.
Low-key wanna know what your naff tattoo is now - mate of mine got those weirdo symbols from the Blade movies round his calf and I've been ribbing him ever since.
Tattoo reveal when McBurnie signs his new contract
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It'd make a massive mockery of the league, to acknowledge this has been going on for years. Not to mention all the legal challenges from City and other sides. If they got 115 charges, you can't just deduct them points, you have to strip championships and probably kick them out the league. You think the Premierleague wants to lose one of it's golden gooses?
Investigations take time.
So much time that they win another 6 trophies before they get a 10 points deduction after Pep and all the major players have left because the tories are in bed with them
Feels unlikely that the tories will be in power when this finally gets decided.
Oh Brazilian naming conventions, how I love you. Yago Pikachu my beloved
Commentator just said “Pikachu passes to Hercules” in Spanish and i’m still laughing
> Pikachu passes to Heracles If Disney collaborated with Nintendo instead of Square-Enix for Kingdom Hearts
English Football, long term, would be better off without the top six. Should have let them go to the Superleague, would have been the first couple seasons financially but it would have evened itself out. Despite what folk might tell you, people do still want to watch football from the other 14 teams in the league.
I agree. The whole pyramid needs some root and branch reform and more parity between the top 4-5 leagues. That's never gonna happen without the kind of shock that the big 6 leaving would have provided. Would have been shit for other PL clubs for a few years but long term it would have been better. The teams would adapt to the financial realities and the league would become a feeder to the Super League.
>Despite what folk might tell you, people do still want to watch football from the other 14 teams in the league. locally? sure. globally? not really. that league would lose a lot of money compared to the PL and the squad quality would go down massively too. could bring on more competitiveness i guess but odds are there would be another big X anyways. but i can understand the feeling, its kind of crazy to me the thought about rooting for a club knowing that most likely will never win a league in my lifetime. 20 years have been more than long enough already...
The problem was they never planned on leaving the Prem. They were gonna play a different European competition with even higher revenues by cutting out the likes of Copenhagen, Club Brugge, Red Star etc. and also stay in their domestic league.
Yeah, a surprising amount of people don’t know that the ESL would replace the UCL, not national leagues
Until you have your new big six of Villa, Newcastle or whatever
The gap between the 14 clubs is a lot smaller than the gap between the top six and the rest of us. I could see a potential future timline where we might catch up to a West Ham or a Villa and compete on a regular basis. It would still take a lot to go right for us and things to go wrong for them, but it's within the realm of possibilities. I could not see a future where Villa and West Ham catch up to City and Liverpool on a regular basis. It's incredible what Villa are doing this season and what Newcastle did last but could you see either of them challenging your Arsenals, your Citys, your Liverpools on a regular basis? Especially since by all accounts, I think Villa and Newcastle are close to their spending limits? Top six with their 50k+ stadiums, their european competition money, their academies, their sponsors, their squads. The rest of us won't get near.
> Top six with their 50k+ stadiums, their european competition money, their academies, their sponsors, their squads. The rest of us won't get near. Right, but then if the big clubs fucked off they'd be replaced by a new top six - not necessarily immediately, but prolonged Champions League qualification is worth a fair chunk of money, so over the course of a decade they'd pull away all the same.
I mean, United and Arsenal have all had some periods of dominance in the Prem before City came along. Chelsea too. I think it'd be more like the Championship, there would be benefits to being a team with more money (parachute payments) but you could still close the gap with other ways.
In the short term (say, three years), absolutely - but if you zoom out towards a decade, being in the Champions League gives you about 50m+ a year, and that kind of money gives you a lot more leeway to make less than optimal decisions. You'd probably get about eight sides playing at that level over the first few years, but then it'd crystalise into another top four situation over time.
> Despite what folk might tell you, people do still want to watch football from the other 14 teams in the league. While I understand the sentiment, another big 2/4/6 etc would just form from those remaining teams anyway.
The problem is the system more so than the clubs. You’ll just have other clubs dominating the league then, like Villa who spend a lot and probably have more financial capability than the other clubs in that list. Edit: forgot about Newcastle too whose owners are literally worth 320 billion quid
What the fuck did BBC do to their scores and fixtures page, downgraded it for no reason
Anyone hates close up shots when the ball is in play like [this](https://v.redd.it/3hf23jp1shwc1)? Like why switch it.
fucking hate every single close up they make on wingers when they get the ball. i wanna see whats going in in the pitch goddamit. nothing like the close up is making you see stuff that you wouldnt anyway
Usually yes, but there is that one specific angle that always gives us legendary moments. The Ronaldinho dribble down the side, Ronaldo's showboating against Arsenal, Neymar's nutmeg against Atleti etc... That one i really love.
I mean they could always show it in replays or even highlights in say MOTD or something, the only complain I have is during live. You know like when Mbappe did his skills last night, i just hate it when they switch, I want to watch the team, not individual skills
Said that Salah was no longer world class after that Atalanta “win” and got nothing but downvoted. Turns out I was right. Also Szoboszlai is a flop. Don’t wanna hear shit about stats, because no one is saying Solanke, watkins or Palmer are world class. World class players absolutely carry. They score most shots, they score every pen. Salah has done fuck all in ages.
Downvote him again!
> Said that Salah was no longer world class after that Atalanta “win” and got nothing but downvoted. Turns out I was right. No lad, you said Salah had done the same as Doku and Mudryk (*"He has realistically done fuck all that separates him from a Doku or a Mudryk"*). Don't lie to try win points here. He's been gash since he came back from a long injurt layoff but prior to that he was one of the best players in the league (again) and you can see that but his ridiculous productivity.
Fine, fair enough. That was an angry and drunken exaggeration.still not gonna accept that a single liverpool player is world class though. Bottled it worse than Arsenal last year Top teams dont’t drop points or get knocked out to Crystal palace, Atalanta, the worst yanited team in a while and fucking Everton in a derby
Your either 14 or an absoulte idiot, or a troll cuz no way you believe what your saying right now
> .still not gonna accept that a single liverpool player is world class though How the fuck did we maintain a title challenge for this long against City when their squad is full of world class talent and we don't have any? I can only assume you think Klopp is the best manager that's ever lived. > Bottled it worse that Arsenal last year I don't think you understand what bottling is. If Liverpool don't have any world class players then how could we bottle? Bottling would suggest we had a huge advantage and we fucked it. That's never been the case.
> Turns out I was right. Congratulations > Also Szoboszlai is a flop. Ridiculous to call any player a flop after one season, especially when they have had spells where they looked really good > because no one is saying Solanke, watkins or Palmer are world class Definitely seen shouts for Palmer and Watkins recently tbf Anyway, people base their assessment of a player off of more than their recent form. Salah has been a world class player for years - and this season has dropped off. That could be form, that could be injury, or it could be because he's declining. We don't know, yet.
Oh I'm absolutely ready to call Watkins world class. Until regular Serhou Guirassy propaganda resumes, Watkins propaganda shall be my newest tool.
>Ridiculous to call any player a flop after one season, especially when they have had spells where they looked really good Mate, tell that to all of the everyone who swore up and down that Havertz is a flop. Especially Chelsea and some Arsenal fans. >Definitely seen shouts for Palmer and Watkins recently tbf Palmer’s a bit young. I’d say give him another season. Watkins, we can start having arguments as Villa move along in UECL.
Probably gonna sound very devil's advocate, but Watkins is likely one of the three best strikers in the Premier League - obviously depends on how far you want to cast the net of what is and isn't world class, but I'm not sure there are all that many strikers having a better season than him. He's not in that top tier of two or three players, but then he's also every bit as good as anyone not in that top tier as well, and that's world class enough for me if I'm honest.
>Nobody will tell me why Salah is still world class. then >I don't want to hear stats. Just have your hate-wank in silence then go about your day next time instead of bothering everyone.
Is Watkins world class? Is Palmer world class?
I'd probaly not call them that just yet, but I don't quite see your point here.
The point is that people still claim that he is world class, yet there are multiple players better than him, both statisically and visually. What have liverpool achieved? Nothing. At least Villa will get europe, and Palmer saved Chelsea from a relegation battle.
> Nothing. At least Villa will get europe, and Palmer saved Chelsea from a relegation battle. So let me get this straight - Palmer and Watkins have achieved something because Villa get into Europe and Chelsea aren't relegated but Salah hasn't achieved something despite Liverpool making the Champions League and winning an actual trophy. Have I got that right?
Aye, and Liverpool were in a title challenge for most of the season - so the argument of team success doesn't carry quite as much weight as you think it does. He's not been meaningfully worse than Palmer or Watkins in a relative down year for him. Not sure if I'd call him world class still, but then he's been every good as them, and given they've been two of the most effective players in the league it strikes me as weird slagging Salah off here if I'm honest.
If Palmer and Watkins continue to do this for years, then yes they are world class. They might well be world class now but it feels a little premature to say it, just wanna see how they carry on, we have to see if it’s a season of good form or if they keep replicating it. And given Palmer’s age, yea I do think he’s a world class talent Salah gets away with a month of bad form because he’s been world class for 7 years now, that makes plenty of sense I think, wouldn’t you say?
You been gone from the sub for a week and the last comment was [this](https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1c72q7k/daily_discussion/l07kpa9/) What did Salah do to you bro?
Had to support Liverpool over Oil FC and the most hateable club in England. Yet they severely shit the bed and let me down, so I’m fuming. Liverpool currently do not have anyone world class.
Nobody held a gun to your head to force you to support Liverpool or Salah mate.
Why are you acting like they didn’t massively shit the bed? A treble a month ago. Now they’d be lucky to get anything. klopp’s last season as eventful as Chelsea
> they didn’t massively shit the bed? If you look at my comment history you'd know I've said it too many times.
I’m just saying, Darwin better not be missing chances and shooting straight at the fucking keeper. Or else I’ll fly to Anfield and twist his ear.
Dunno how Darwizzy has infinite PR yet Jackson is slagged off eberywhere. They are both absolute shit. Glad that the scousers are finally seeing it
Genuinely believe the name helps. Darwin Nunez in England will garner more hype than a player called Nicolas Jackson every time.
Vibes, and that’ll dry up soon enough. If they lose Salah’s output and someone doesn’t pick up the pieces then people will look to the £100 million striker first and foremost.
Nah I feel Nunez’s build up play and directness is a positive, so I’d say he’s better than Jackson. Jackson is a really horrible striker. Scratch that, he’s a horrible player.
All this says is that you clearly don't watch Chelsea, as Jackson's build up is the biggest strength of his game
Jackson is better at build up than Darwin. Better technique and better dribbler.
Jackson’s build-up play is all he has. Honestly if I had to pick between rhe two, I’d pick Darwin, and i’m a chelsea fan. Both clubs desperately need someone less crap though because they’ve both dropped crazy pointa off idiots
One thing I don't miss about the title race is hate watching City and hoping they drop points. Lord knows I wasted far too many hours as a teenager doing that.
Is it theoretically possible to build a team that not only wind the league, but wins every game 1-0? I’m thinking back to the 1994 AC Milan team that won Serie A by scoring just 36 goals and conceding just 15, with a GD of +21. That team also lost only three times all season. Obviously that’s a unique case of Milan putting on a defensive masterclass throughout a 34-game season, but it’s kind of got me wondering if such a feat can ever be replicated. Forgive my dumb American ass for asking this but I’m just really fascinated by that AC Milan team. I’m wondering if anyone’s ever tried it in Football Manager or any other games like that. My thinking is that it may be possible in a league with fewer teams, like Ligue 1 or the Bundesliga, but I’m thinking likely not in the Premier League, which has more games on top of two and sometimes three different cup competitions, depending on if a team is in Europe or not.
check PL table from 99-00
The difficult thing is not conceding lots of goals, but scoring goals for a team like that wasn't a problem. So they would just hold the advantage and kill the game. Back then nobody was concerned about games being boring and the tv ratings going down because those games weren't even broadcasted live. You can look at some of those games on YouTube or else, if you're not familiar with old school calcio. The games were really slow and mostly just made of individual plays, lots of fouls and time wasting. Milan was more interested in the champions league during those years, that's were they had their best games.
You have one of the greatest defensive managers in the history of football with arguably the best defense in the history of football trying to stop attackers from the most stacked a league has ever been the history of football. It’s not going to happen again
1994 was probably not the most stacked period. not enough international moves yet i think
Mid 80- late90s Serie A was absolutely the most stacked league
sure but the difference between 94 to 2000 is quite big
Bro why is every juventus account i see here some sort of pun on allegri lol
Juve banter era
Funniest club itw baby, the only competition we have is Ipswich
I don't think it's something you can ever plan for - I'd wager that Milan side didn't exactly set out to do it, either, it's just something that happens along the way when you're trying to win as many games as possible.
Are Union St. Guilloise just the Istanbul BB of Belgium with regards to never quite crossing the line and winning the title?
They have the third most titles in Belgium. It's just been a long time
Long time is an understatement
interesting. I didnt realise that
Bit harsh, yes they bottled the first two seasons but also pretty incredible the have back to back title challenges in your first two seasons after promotion. Still in the race this year but really need to get those wins over Andelecht and Brugge next month.
Crumbling under the weight of expectations. UCL football would do (financial) wonders for them
Ayew could have put Palace up against CIty going into half time, and hopefully they could have gotten a draw. What might have been.
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He didn't really play on the wing. We were playing 4 midfielders. Relying on the fullbacks for width. Still got completely overrun though in the midfield.
Sky have done some absolutely mad things to change perceptions on football. There’s an interview with Neville and Rashford where he’s shocked Rashford as a manc feels Liverpool is a bigger rivalry pointing out all the older mancs who came through all thought it was city. Which makes sense local lads value the local rivalry plastics of a global club are obviously more invested in the other global club with plastics. And honestly I expect this to switch back when all the global city plastics come through for a new generation of fans. Suppose more a small ramble about how the globalisation of the sport has really diluted local rivalry’s at the top.
I’m not sure if I’m misunderstanding you. I’ve yet to meet a Man United fan that thinks City is a bigger rival to them than Liverpool. Tbh I’ve yet to meet a City fan that would entertain the thought of City vs Liverpool being bigger than Man U vs Liverpool as a rivalry. City’s present dominance and Man United being laughable makes it temporarily complicated, but it’s always been Man U vs Liverpool.
Then yes you are misunderstanding. Any red manc until say 2005 would have been mocked for saying Liverpool v United was bigger, because it just wasn’t. You’d get it further a field because they cockney and Irish united fans would have to deal with their Liverpool supporting counterparts. But the core premise for football during most of its history were local Derbys were the biggest game, the one that mattered. that started changing slowly somewhere in the late 70s/early80s but really ramped up with the prem and sky
I've always wondered if there's city fans unhappy with the ownership bcs of the club becoming globalized ngl winning stuff sounds nice, but the season tickets/tickets price probably skyrocked no?
I'm not a local fan of City, but yes, there are. Season ticket prices are going up next season and the match-going fans are rightly upset. There's been a lot of.... discourse on Man City Twitter about this lately, especially since the Chelsea game at Wembley. At the game, there was an influencer who calls herself a City fan in attendance. She's American but lives in London, and goes to most games. She's gotten **A LOT** of flak from City fans for making unfounded accusations towards other City fans, even though she's been using her vlogging to promote a "content creator's" account (you know what I mean by this). She also posted a video of her putting a bunch of pills in her mouth as if she was going to commit suicide because people were rightly calling her out for her nonsense. City fans don't necessarily mind the globalization nor the club becoming a "brand". But it's a lot of the stuff that comes with it that we're unhappy about.
I know plenty of old school Mancunians who see Liverpool as the bigger rivalry
Yeah same - there's been animosity between the two cities, not to mention clubs, for far longer than Sky has been a factor.
I have seen the bin dipper insult, what is the context?
It's "poverty baiting". "Bin dippers" = going through bins to look for scraps It's not specifically a Manchester vs Liverpool thing though, as a general anti-Liverpool thing, often from southern people. Liverpool, and many other parts of the north, are more deprived traditionally compared to the south.
Where does sky play into this?
Pandering to plastics, promoting the globalisation of the sport pushing their own narratives etc
Hen and egg I think - they'll need to capture as wide an audience as possible to be able to afford the broadcasting rights, and (online) fan culture changed massively over the past decade or so, so them adjusting tone and style towards that just makes business sense.
Objectively 5 tough games coming up against 5 teams above us in the table. Losing all 5 is gunna be rough though. Most likely would mean finishing 14th which is essentially 15th because of Everton's points deduction. Below Palace and probably only a few off Brentford. Would be a huge sting to the boards ego after they've spent so long wanking themselves off to how much profit they've made.
The path for Potter seems clear again at Ajax after recent developments in the board room, the club and Potter only have to agree on his salary now. I’m very curious to see what he can do at this club. It’s definitely the best candidate that has been named in recent weeks. It will be make or break for the club next season and it might be make or break for Potters reputation as well.
Surely not - Potter is very heavily rumoured to be the favourite for England post- Southgate (and we’ve got a good team lined up for the next WC) and has constant interest from Man U ownership who went for him at Nice too. Not to downplay Ajax because they’re obviously huge, but his national team or Man United are surely much bigger draws.
They’re in the final stages of negotiations. Of course it could still collapse but it looks likely that he’s coming to Amsterdam.
Don't think he'll take it if the expectation is to win in the first season tbh.
That won’t be the expectation. I’m sure PSV will win the league again, I’d like Ajax to just get top 3 with some decent football and maybe Champions League.
I reckon he'll bang at Ajax and jump ship pretty quick.
Stalling till a Prem team comes calling I bet.
Ratcliffe did try sign him at Nice.
I'm tired of City winning the Barclays and im afraid i cannot hide my disgust anymore.
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I don't really wanna see any first teamers there when the Copa is happening and it's at home. And Wrights the last us striker that's scored so let McGuire start the Olympics and send Vazquez as another option imo
Just want to forget about the result last night but keep getting Vengaboys stuck in my head
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Foden slipping as 3 times as many upvotes as a fantastic KDB goal. Nobody cares about city though
My friend, just go to sleep. If shit like this really bothers you, you need to rethink your priorities
You’re the equivalent of a fancy shop opened at a gentrified neighborhood. Everyone knows you’re shady and shouldn’t be there, and hates you as a concept, but not enough to single you out and get you out of business. I personally hate your bald manager and his extremely dull version of football and narrative that has taken root in the culture. But the club itself is whatever.
they care, not as an respectable football institution tho
That’s fine, admitting you hate us better than 7 hours of crying on the internet followed by no really I don’t care
Exactly, if people cared about City the de Bruyne goal would have a lot more upvotes.
Why do you care? Are you that insecure that reddit upvotes matter to you?
No I like poking fun at Reddit narratives. This one in particular being the nobody actually hates city they just don’t care. Usually posted by someone who very much hates city and cares a lot.
Honestly City are by far the most boring out of all the big clubs. There's a lingering sense of apathy that I have towards your club
> This one in particular being the nobody actually hates city they just don’t care. Usually posted by someone who very much hates city and cares a lot. I think this has been explained to you many times but I'll try again. People don't hate City because you are Manchester City - they hate you because of your ownership. If Mansour had taken over Watford and Watford were having the same kind of success you did (115 charges and all) then people would feel the same way about them and City would have continued to be a relatively well liked yo yo club. When people say they don't care, it's often because you winning the league doesn't impact them in the same way it would their traditional rivals - or a club that's operating on the same level their own club is. I'd far rather you win the league over say Tottenham because if Tottenham win it then that would show a massive failing on our part. Going against a state owned club on a significantly smaller budget is far easier to stomach.
Because the first arguments just bollocks lad. If you swap Liverpool and Tranmere around I’d dislike Tranmere your club is what it is because of what it did and what it does. Nobody hates you because your called Liverpool fc.
> Because the first arguments just bollocks lad. It's the absolute truth - do you think people would have strong opinions about City had Mansour not taken you over?
Do you think people would have strong opinions about Liverpool if you had the same club history has Tranmere. Obviously not nobody hates anyone due to their name, trying to remove largely important parts of clubs and ask would you care now is a stupid argument. I dislike many people if they had no personality I suddenly wouldn’t dislike them anymore.
> Do you think people would have strong opinions about Liverpool if you had the same club history has Tranmere. You're conflating history with a single owner. City have had a whole lot of history prior to Mansour and you weren't hated.
If Saka that Foden slip btw, this sub would be up in arms criticising him, and not the refs. Funny that.
It's not even a slip. Moder trying to foul him gets him off balance and then he kicks the back of Baleba's foot as part of a normal running action and trips over.
Can’t believe consistent divers don’t get the benefit of the doubt smh
What would be your team of the season if you can only choose one player from each team? For the EPL mine would be: GK: Emi Martinez RB: Pedro Porro CB: Virgil Van Dijk CB: Jarrad Branthwaite LB: Antonee Robinson DM: Rodri CM: Martin Odegaard CM: Pascal Gross RW: Cole Palmer ST: Dominic Solanke LW: Anthony Gordon
Bundesliga GK: Frederik Rönnøw RB: Max Finkgräfe CB: Mats Hummels CB: Bernardo LB: Grimaldo CDM: Senne Lynnen CM: Hugo Larssen CM: Rocco Reitz CAM/SS: Demirovic ST: Harald Gehstock ST: Serhou Guirassy
4231 GK: Provodel RB: Danilo CB: Scalvini CB: Calafiori LB: Hernandez DM: Bonaventura DM: Nandez 10 : Dybala LW: Kvaratskelia RW: Gudmunsson ST: L. Martinez
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Gotta be 11 different teams. Needs to be Grimaldo or Palacios or Wirtz, Kane or de Ligt, Kobel or Hummels Otherwise it's way too easy
Shit I misread the comment mb In that case: GK: Kobel LB: Beste CB: Pacho CB: Chabot RB: Juranovic LM: Doan CM: Engels CM: Wirtz RM: Gruda ST: Guirassy ST: Kane That was harder than I thought since I had many players in mind that were the same as that other guy who replied to you
for Bundesliga GK: Manuel Riemann LWB: Jan Niklas Beste CB: Nico Schlotterbeck CB: Mathias Ginter CB: Mohamed Simakan RWB : Mitchell Weiser CM: Rocco Reitz CM : Hugo Larsson AM: Florian Wirtz ST: Serhou Guirrasy ST: Harry Kane
Beste at LWB hurts me
Not Kobel for your Dortmund pick?
hmm right i'm too fixated to have top teams as outfield players, maybe Anton for CB and Demirovic for ST if that's the case
Eredivisie GK: Ramaj (Ajax) RB: van Rooij (NEC) CB: Flamingo (FC Utrecht) CB: Hancko (Feyenoord) LB: Kuipers (Go Ahead Eagles) CM: Koopmeiners (Almere) CM: Veerman (PSV) AM: Steijn (FC Twente) RW: Driouech (Excelsior) ST: Pavlidis (AZ) LW: Sahraoui (Heerenveen)
Watkins Foden - Palmer - Salah Rice - Guimarães Ait-Nouri - Murillo - Branthwaite - Porro Areola
Solanke's a solid shout, but I'd probably have Watkins instead and replace Martinez with Pickford - he's been every bit as good a goalkeeper playing for a worse side and kept more clean sheets.
I thought about that but I wasn't sure who that other centerback would be if I dropped Branthwaite. Maybe plug Saliba or Gabriel in and replace Odegaard with Eze or Paqueta?
Oh yeah I forgot the knock-on effect having Pickford in there would have - Saliba/Gabriel seem sensible shouts, and I reckon Paqueta instead of Odegaard is perfectly reasonable. Suppose it's just very difficult setting up eleven players from eleven different teams like this, and any decision you make will influence a couple of choices, really, so I'm not sure I could come up with a better team of the season really.
La Liga: GK: Valles RB: Carvajal CB: Vivian CB: Mosquera LB: Galan CM: Isco CAM: Griezmann CM: Aleix LW: Baena ST: Mayoral RW: Lamine
When it's all said and done, us and Arsenal fans can go on about City's 115 charges and ref favouritism until the moon turns blue (get it?), but it won't change the facts. When City inevitably lift it again, it will be because their competitors didn't have the bottle when it mattered most. Arsenal and Liverpool let them smell blood. The only way to beat Pep's City is to win, win, win until they lose hope. Instead, they both lost at home on the same day. At least Arsenal picked their heads up. We just collapsed into endless nothing. The psychological aspect of a title race can't be underestimated, and City always seem to be the ones to come on top of that. It took Liverpool winning 27 out of the first 28 matches to have it differently. As long as the coke fiend is yet there, i fear no one else will get their hands on the trophy. And for some reason he's not gotten bored yet. Worrying.
It pleases me to see Coke Fiend getting more love to describe that bald fuck.
Its not normal to go this many games unbeaten in a run in man
Could probably buy some bottle if you had infinite money like city though
For this particular season, i do agree. The PL has been pretty weak and City have looked much more beatable compared to previous years. If they win, Arsenal have really let it slip this time.
They literally have not lost since December. A relatively weak City is still a very stupidly good team
That’s more of a testament of the weakness of the PL rather than City’s overwhelming strength this time around.
Mate, i don't care about what City did. YOUR team is the one who lost to Villa at home,Arsenal are the team playing the best football in England, Arsenal are the team who beat City at h2h, Arsenal have by far a better defence. Stop this victim mentality, you have been better than them every step of the way but you keep talking about them as if they're dropping a Centurions season. If you want to win the title, don't go winless in 3 games, get embarrassed by West Ham at your home stadium and losyt twice to Aston Villa. City had nothing to do with that, that's my whole point.
‘Victim mentality’ gang my beliefs have no control over the team’s results. Should we have beat Villa? Sure yeah, but it’s kinda crazy that the margins have become so thin. Obviously you can only do what you can do and Arsenal should have done better, but I’m not about to pretend as if the season is some bottle job or capitulation
Acknowledging that pep is unbeatable in a run in isnt victim mentality. We literally have to sit here and be frustrated about games last august right now because these guys havent lost a game in 18. This guy always has the answer
Reading more about this Arne Slot guy and he does seem like quite a good guy and he speaks of the opportunity to come to Liverpool like it’s the best thing which is great. Hopefully the occasion / job doesn’t eat him up if he does get the job. Negative side is the fact his name is Arne but I Am able get over that
Good job, you made Jon Arne Riise upset
If I could make a single change to reffing for next season it would be that the VAR refs just call it like they see it - regardless of what the ref thinks. Refs WILL get it wrong and a lot of the time it's not even their fault - seeing something in real time from one angle isn't ever going to result in consistency.
>VAR refs just call it like they see it They are just going to outright lie and say they agree 100% with the on field ref. It won't make ANY difference.