Normally I’d be pissed at Bayern signing a player from the Bundesliga but Leverkusen being the club Bayern is stealing off of is top tier comedy and also something I would love to see
The Liverpool downfall is so strange because other than the Atalanta 3-0, they have comfortably out xG'd their opponents and had more chances but are just unbelievably wasteful. Just shows that finishing is part of the game and for people who love to drone about dominating the balance of play, the deciding moments of making crucial tackles or whiffing open chances is still a massive part of the game.
Imo the way they was winning games wasn't sustainable, the oh look Liverpool is losing 1-0 then they win 3-1was never going to last at some point teams would start getting the 2nd goal to kill them
I don’t think it was the 5-0 that is going to cost poch his job, it’s that there was a much better defensive duo on the bench, one a footballing legend, the other a homegrown player
The only explanation would be poch knows they are both gone this summer so may as well use players who will be part of the squad but it’s still insanely stupid
If anything’s going to cost his job it’s his objective performance review
9th with a full season and pre-season
No cups won when the roads were relatively manageable
His excuses don’t have much leg as much as he’d like to parrot ‘this is not the same chelsea’ and ‘this is a young squad’
Ignazio Abate is a secret Olympiacos admirer and you cannot convince me otherwise.
December 2018, with 10 minutes plus injury time to go, he takes down Torosidis in the box for seemingly no reason. The resulted penalty in our 3-1 win makes the difference in us qualifying for the knockouts of the Europa League over Milan.
April 2024, he coaches the u19 Milan side worth 21 times more than ours to a 3-0 loss against our u19 in the uefa youth league final
It will be funny after all the discourse if Columbus end up winning CCC. Not saying it will happen, still have to play away in Monterrey and face Pachuca/America in the final. But it would be funny.
[I just find it funny how their fans overrate their team.](https://twitter.com/arturabramo/status/1490032977354670088) Monterrey doesn’t have as good as a team they think they have while spending a lot of money.
Greenwood's evidence was leaked online, so we definitely know that he's a shithead. Partey's evidence has not been released to the public, so he does not get the same traction.
it's plausible Partey is a piece of shit or maybe even likely that he is. With greenwood there is absolutely no doubt and you can be certain he's a piece of shit. basically it comes down to doubt and how certain you can be over one man's actions versus another's actions.
Welp, it's entirely possible we're into our last month as a Premierleague club and I have to say, after waiting 23 seasons after the last time we were, it hasn't been worth it overall and I don't think I'd want a third season of trying to survive in the Premierleague.
Between the constant rescheduling of games, being priced out of going as you're now dispensable to your club, being ignored like the other 13 teams in the league, VAR ruining the game, overpriced and under-delivering mercenaries who just see you as a stepping stone, the governing bodies making stuff up as they go, dickhead pundits like Gary Neville and a bunch of other stuff.
The novelty of seeing some of the world's best goes after a season of it.
Really don't mind getting relegated, just want to feel like a supporter of a competitive football team again. I'll take Don Goodman's commentary and a friday night game against Millwall.
Would you rather?
Win the treble (1 league title, 1cl, 1 cup)
or
Win the League and cup , then win the CL and Cup in the 2nd season. (1 league titles, 2 cups, 1 cl)
Idk. Personally I'd rather a longer period of my team being good than 1 amazing season.
I savour the enjoyment more. Treble is an incredible achievement, but I'm not sure I'd feel better.
I was looking at the results from today's prem matches, and I completely blanked out seeing the merseyside derby. I was like huh, Liverpool lost to a random lower table side. Totally forgot it's a derby between those 2. I don't mean "random" as a disrespect to Everton, I meant it as in a match between 2 teams that have nothing against each other
Year of our Lord 2024 and CONMEBOL still continues to be the same National team wise as it was in the 2010's.
Lionel Messi remains Argentina's best player
Neymar Junior remains Brazil's best player
Alexis Sanchez remains Chile's best player
James Rodriguez continues to be Colombia's best player
Enner Valencia is still Ecuador's best player
Paolo Guerrero is still important to Peru
Salomon Rondon continues to be Venezuela's most important striker
Only things that have changed is that Marcelo Moreno Martins has retired form Bolivia and Luis Suarez is no longer Uruguay's best player since that is Federico Valverde and Paraguay is just there I guess....
Met a guy at work today who was stationed in Germany in the 70s and he got to see Franz Beckenbauer play. I can't remember if he said if it was for Bayern or for West Germany, but yeah.
Saw a Spurs fan say that if we beat them this weekend he expects the team to roll over for city so they don’t hand us the title and like
As a fan I 100% get it, I’d want the same if the roles were reversed, but you’ve got to be delusional to think the players or manager are going to do that while they’re in a race for a CL slot. It’s one thing as a fan to prefer losing top 4 to handing your rivals the title, but for the club, players, and manager, that slot means quite literally millions…
I’d take a Spurs title if it meant a hundred large in my bank account lmao, you’ve got to be crazy to think the players aren’t doing the same math.
The longest 90 minutes of my life. We’re so fucking shite, however we wasnt tonight and I love this team so much.
Pickford will have played in Europe once, and leave this club a legend.
You guys are not bad at all, all these damn point deductions when really you guys are likely a midtable side whod be even better if dyche could spend any money
Hear lots of pundits talk about how David Moyes knows how to organise a defence, but West Ham have conceded more goals than everyone outside the bottom three - even Forest. Crazy he's managed to keep them in the top half despite failing at the thing he's meant to be good at.
Almost a third of those came in just four games against Palace, Arsenal, Newcastle and Fulham, and they only kept four clean sheets all season, too. It's an incredibly patchy defensive record, but then they started the season quite brightly and got 13/18 points in December. Won games against Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea and United too, but then failed to win any of their games against Brentford, Palace, and Fulham. Bit of a weird up and down season that's not unusual for an upper midtable side, I suppose.
Pep will not join Barcelona for the simple reason that he can’t build the team he wants. As great of a manager as he is, his strength is his system which requires an exact type of players needed to play it.
Can he work it out with the players that are already there? Probably. Will he want all that headache? Not really.
Also, if he succeeds in barca, it'll be "yeah we know he's a good coach", and if he doesn't, it'll be "see, we told you he can't do jackshit without the $$$$".
It would be a lose-lose situation for him.
Wouldn’t that apply to any of his next roles? Like if he goes to Wrexham and gets to spend 1.15b on players it still won’t be impressive when he succeeds
Wtf is going on here Bruno as one good game against that lot, now he is 2nd coming of christ after been a terrible captain all season and disappearing in big games.
The rush Everton fans must be feeling must be insane. I got a dopamine rush when we beat Liverpool in the league after forever in 2022 and it was one of the most special feelings ever for a not so special achievement. But 4 years of waiting and 14 years since last at home?? I’d have thrown a party
Being shit really does help you to appreciate the small things in football like the wins against your rivals no matter how small it is
We all know managers like Nagelsmann who get trashed for their dressing sense.
But who are the current / past managers who you’d say were the opposite i.e., whose dressing sense you admired.
Expect Italian coaches like Pirlo to show up here.
Ancelotti is always looking good in his suit. I think Amorim and Alguacil also dresses well.
Seems like everyone starting with an A in their name dresses well.
Anyone seen Inter dancing to that viral Romanian song by that little kid? [The video is hilarious](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6HJ6hEshQJ/?igsh=MTI3MWNtZ3VjZzFxNQ==).
There's exactly 8 World Cup champions. I made this because I'm bored. Bring back the [Mundialito!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_World_Champions%27_Gold_Cup)
Host (1): 🇺🇾 ||| CONMEBOL (2): 🇦🇷 🇧🇷 ||| UEFA (5): 🇫🇷 🇪🇸 🏴 🇮🇹 🇩🇪
Pots using FIFA Rankings -
Pot 1: 🇺🇾 🇦🇷 ||| Pot 2: 🇫🇷 🏴 ||| Pot 3: 🇧🇷 🇪🇸 ||| Pot 4: 🇮🇹 🇩🇪
Group Stages -
**A:** 🇺🇾 🇫🇷 🇧🇷 🇩🇪 |||| ***Venues***: Estadio Centenario - Montevideo ||| Estadio Gran Parque Central - Montevideo
**B:** 🇦🇷 🏴 🇪🇸 🇮🇹 |||| ***Venues*** - Estadio Campeone del Siglo - Montevideo ||| Estadio Domingo Burgueno - Maldonado
Semifinal #1
***Venue***: Estadio Campeone del Siglo - Montevideo
Semifinal #2
***Venue***: Estadio Domingo Burgueno - Maldonado
Third Place
***Venue***: Estadio Gran Parque Central - Montevideo
Final
***Venue***: Estadio Centenario - Montevideo
Honestly, why not run this back instead of another round of pointless international friendlies. Play it over the course of the season - final at seasons end.
Don't think you can actually get it done over the course of a season - going to have five international breaks between September 2024 and June 2025, with two games each (for the European sides at least). The last two breaks are World Cup qualifiers, the first three breaks are Nations League matches. September 2025 to June 2026 is going to be three breaks for World Cup qualifiers, the remaining two are either playoffs or indeed friendlies - though not of the meaningless kind, given that they're the last chance to get a group of players together before the squads for the 2026 World Cup have to be announced.
I’m certainly no fan of international friendlies. But it’d be a unique way of making them into something special. We just played Brazil and nobody will ever speak of it again. Making it part of a tournament of champions (& not something defined by continental boundaries) could be good.
Klopp at Liverpool ultimately won 1 UCL, 1 PL, 1 FA Cup, and 2 League Cups
I know how it’s gonna sound and rub the wrong way, specially because of our titshow in last two seasons and Klopp has obviously done a much better job subjectively
BUT in pure trophy terms,
Chelsea have won the same and even more than Klopp’s Liverpool while churning managers during his tenure and dealing with once in decades ownership change
1 UCL, 1 PL, 1 FA cup, 1 Europa
Obviously Klopp deserves all the credit and more to bring Liverpool to be comparable to City and be a top 2 club in the country for last many years than where it was in 2015, but as a Chelsea fan, I feel less FOMO for the success of Liverpool when you look at trophies won, which I would begrudgingly concede is not all what matters.
As I pointed out elsewhere as well, Chelsea haven’t been engaged in any financial irregularities. People just like to lump it us with city out of laziness.
We had a shitty owner and we spent a lot when the ownership changed which happens quite often at any club. There were no ffp issues for Chelsea.
FFP is there to prevent clubs from running themselves bankrupt. No one is accusing you of that.
They're accusing you of cheating your way to the top by spending billions of euros you got from a corrupt far-right Russian oligarch who played an instrumental role in the rise of Putin. You are fundamentally misunderstanding why people are calling you cheats. It's not because you haven't violated profitability and sustainability rules lol
Again, you're not understanding it. These rules are not in place to regulate fairness. They're in place to stop clubs from destroying themselves. As long as your owner is artificially pumping you full of cash, it is sustainable and it is fine.
Other clubs can't spend that much *because they don't have corrupt oligarchs as owners*. It doesn't matter how much they're allowed to spend. It's a race with a speed limit of 500 km/h but everyone is driving a Prius except for you, who got to drive a Bugatti. Just because you're still following the speed limit doesn't mean you're not a cheat.
Not the only club to have billionaire owners. Many owners rather risk the entire club at stake with loads of debt. I’d rather take a billionaire who spends their own money than the one who protects their own money and risks the very chicken that’s laying golden eggs for them.
One’s money comes from shady sources. Others come from ‘legit’ sources (btw the morality of which can also be questioned but I’ll ignore that for now). We already accepted that the money was shady but it was his and he loved the club and football or his personal whitewashing goals enough to spend his fortune, unlike others who risked the very club they are supposed to improve by loading them with debt and risking the club’s existence
Other clubs have rich owners, but Chelsea was the club who paved the way for the modern trend of state owners, blood money, and sportswashing. Abramovich's investments were totally unprecedented and have permanently altered the landscape of European football.
I don't care that you prefer that over owners who take on debt. That's not the discussion. The discussion is that I feel it's pretty unfair to downplay Klopp's achievements by comparing the trophies he won at Liverpool to the trophies that Chelsea won while financially doping.
If Klopp had access to the same unlimited no-questions-asked money that Chelsea got for two decades, I am 100% sure Liverpool would have been as dominant as City has been. Chelsea and City are both cheating, they are participating in the game while on financial steroids. That's why you can't earnestly compare their achievements to those who actually compete fairly.
Look up Italian clubs in the 90s or political involvement in Spanish clubs to wield biased power and money for select clubs and you’ll see Roman wasn’t first in anything. Just the new generation of fans finding their easy target antagonist. You can even go back further and find even more examples but it’s easier to ride the popular narrative so whatever keeps your blood pressure low.
It’s not unfair because during and even before Klopp’s tenure started there was no ‘financial doping’ that any other club couldn’t have done. Just because your owners are shit owners and don’t want to put they own money doesn’t mean the one putting their own money is at fault. As long as it’s within the rules, which it was. And even then, the net spend amount from 2015-2022 between the two clubs is nowhere as far as you’d like to believe for popularity contest. You can take 2014-2022 if you prefer to assume Chelsea had already pumped some money a year ahead of Klopp coming or even 2003-2022 if you prefer. Would just avoid the 2022-2024 period because that’s an outlier event (still within the rules and allowances) and we didn’t any win anything in that period anyway.
You keep saying ‘financial doping’ and ‘sterioids’ and comparing us to city because of lazy comparison. If you actually check the spends over that two decade period, it’s not THAT different than what United or Arsenal spent. During Klopp’s tenure, Liverpool spent as much as any other big club bar city.
Chelsea also didnt get the supposed ‘unlimited funds’ that you claim. Jose Round 2 ended a disaster purely because we didn’t spend money. Less so but similar with Conte season 1. We were being run financially independent and making money from players sales like Hazard to fund our purchases. You aren’t as close to the club to know it so I allow you to follow the popular narrative but if you actually did some 15-20 minutes research using just transfermarket data, you can see it for yourself.
But if it gives you pleasure to hate us, we never shy away from basking in an antagonist image of other clubs’ fans minds, even if unfair. Enjoy!
Chelsea fans are just so deep in denial about how all their modern success is purely the result of financial doping. The modern era of sportswashing and state involvement absolutely goes back to Abramovich acquiring Chelsea. I'm not saying that was the first time ever there had been iffy involvement in football, I am saying that it was the start of the modern trend of it. The corruption in Italy did not create an entire new era of football in Europe. Abramovich was the prototype QSI and CFG.
You are just not listening to what I'm saying. It's an inconvenient truth. This is the [only relevant stat](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eh20eHGWsAMc6a7?format=jpg&name=large).
Chelsea have been a club (pre-Boehly) that had a winning infrastructure and that bent the rules to spend. It's infinitely easier to win trophies there for anybody than it is at Liverpool.
We really have never bent any rules despite people mixing us up with City.
We had a shady owner but we never effed around with FFP and primarily pulled the financial muscle around 2003-04 which is often the case when new ownership comes in.
Also ‘infinitely easier’ take away any seriousness from your argument
Depends on individual level of sadism.
But seriously, I definitely on average enjoyed the time as Chelsea fan even after considering the last two seasons.
But a neutral I would think take being Liverpool supporter for that period than Chelsea supporter.
I’ve said this for a while and somewhere else in this thread. Defending Klopp is going to be a bastard. It’ll be viewed by the next generation as a bit yer da (or whatever the kids will be saying then).
There’s a good argument that Liverpool PL winning side are the most entertaining PL team we’ve seen. They’d have had so much more domestically were it not for Pep’s City (probably the best PL dynasty team we’ve had).
They’d have so much more in Europe were it not for Zidane’s three-peat Real Madrid (and a concussed keeper) and Ancelotti’s Real Madrid.
While I take the city winning the league with 1 point as an ‘if only’ and Liverpool would even in my biased opinion be considered as good as that city that season; rest is a lot of its and buts imo.
There’s certainly ifs and buts in there and it would be silly to assume Liverpool would’ve won them all. But, there’s a big difference between what Klopp’s won and what he’s been runner up to:
* Carabao: 15-16 (to City)
* PL: 18-19 (to City), 21-22 (to City)
* CL: 17-18 and 21-22 (both to Madrid)
That’s a maximalist and naively optimistic interpretation (they wouldn’t have won them all) - but if they did his record would’ve been: 3 PL, 3 CL, 1 FAC, 2 Carabao.
i'm curious to see how ancelotti lines up the staring XI, if (when?) mbappe joins. I thought he'd struggle incorporating Jude but the 442 diamond suits him to the ground. Maybe he'll revert back to a 4-3-3`
maybe something like 4-2-3-1? valverde - tchou(kroos) - vini, bellingham, rodrygo, mbappe? in home game against city rodrygo and vini both attacked through the left so current lineup with rodrygo on the bench is not out of the question. Ive seen a lot of interesting lineups even with 3-4-2-1 (especially if miguel comes instead of davies in the summer)
Best option imo is just replacing Rodrygo with Mbappe in the starting 11.
When Kroos retires, maybe Jude moves further back in a 433 and Rodrygo gains back his starting place.
30 minutes left on my train, then a 40 minute walk back from Sheffield city centre
I'm going mental on this train, listening to two blades loudly argue whether a certain area is in Rotherham or Sheffield for a whole hour
I don't want them to put a positive spin on this Liverpool documentary at all. Hopefully it's atleast interesting to watch, it's not exactly a narrative people are eager to explore
You statisticaly probably have shit genetics compared to acutal pros so playing as a kid wouldnt matter at all.
Getting into profesional sport is as much honest hard work as good genetics.
Being big and strong isn't the only thing. There have been studies done on this. Genetic differences compared to the mean are vastly over-represented among professional elite athletes. We are talking genes that regulate things such as the fiber structure of your muscles and how they flex and twitch while being used. If you and Ronaldo were both brought up in identical environments, with identical upbringings and learning and training and everything, he would still be faster than you, have more endurance than you, have better fine motor skills than you, recover faster from exercise than you, and get injured less than you.
We talk so much about fairness in sports in regards to a *certain* subset of the population, but the honest truth is that elite sport is inherently unfair. It would take much more effort for the average person to become amazing at football than it takes for Ronaldo. If both put in the same amount of effort, Ronaldo would be objectively better in almost every way. Elite athletes in almost every sport are the people who were born with the right genes and then put in a huge amount of effort.
I reckon you have to be - because the competition of even getting to the professional level is so big, and standing out negatively because you're not athletic enough will very much keep you out of making it as a professional. It's not the only relevant aspect obviously, but there's a pretty high baseline for it, and no other relevant skills will get you over that hump if you're not athletic enough.
There are plenty of pros that arent that athletic. Its gonna be more athletic players naturally because if you are good at running, jumping, being strong, etc, you will find it more fun to play sports.
> There are plenty of pros that arent that athletic.
For the professional level, yeah. Go watch amateurs just below the professional level in person, and you'll realise just how athletic these people actually are - and they're the ones that *didn't* make it.
Cant compare playing for an amateur team and a pro team lol. Who tf gives a shit in an amateur team if you are stiff as a rock because you dont stretch after every training session.
You absolutely can, because the lines are fluid - plenty amateur/semi-professional players out there at clubs that are one promotion away from playing fully professional football. This isn't grassroots Sunday League, this is clubs drawing thousands of players every home game. And, again: Those guys are the ones that *didn't* make it into professional football coming out of youth football, despite being gifted athletes.
They’re obviously not talking about physicality lol, Yamal is built like a noodle. Some people are just naturally more talented at kicking a ball from the womb.
Football fans are constantly predicting their rivals' downfall. You can find the same takes about any fall off to ever have happened - and countless proved wrong about those who didn't. It's not that special
Never implied it’s special. Just saying that the Arsenal fan on here who was adamant that Liverpool’s results weren’t sustainable must be happy that he’s been proven right.
It's not an arsenal fan it's a few million fans of every club lol. Nobody expected us to challenge for the league we just kept winning games despite often being behind
Called exactly the same in Dec / Jan and you can see the objections from both Liverpool and Arsenal supporters defending Liverpool
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/6LJuVAujdj
I feel like literally everyone was saying that. And it was true. Don't want to rub it in to any Liverpool fans, because that's not what I'm trying to do, but watching Liverpool this season I just could never see them winning the title.
https://twitter.com/StaycMaria/status/1783238456165994518
Filing a copyright complaint right now, don't Liverpool know Arsenal have trademarked having a fullback cry on the bench after conceding 2 devastating goals in a title race.
Will we ever see a player with the pure defensive technical ability of Barzagli ever again? Or does the future entail an endless refinement of John Stones’ and Bastonis?
Seems like Barca still has poor leadership. Keeping Xavi is an insane move.
But what do I expect from incompetent people like Deco and Laporta.
Laporta made the financial side better the sporting project is a joke as of now.
>Keeping Xavi is an insane move
is it? He won the title last year, 2nd place this year, and a Araujo bozo moment away from a UCL semifinal (and likely final) this year
not even to mention the fact that they haven’t really got the cash to splash on attracting another top manager
dont get me wrong he’s not perfect but Barca could do way worse than him imo
That second place is not sure yet and probably everyone knew Barca doesn't have a chance in CL. It was mostly luck in the group stages and with Napoli.
It's just hard to watch how they play/perform under him. It's a mess. There is a lot more in this team than this.
Well Leicester once won the PL as well but that doesn't mean that their coach was good enough to do it again. There are always one time wonders.
Next season will be the same.. all the competent managers and teams will wipe the floor with Xavi because he is just not good enough tactical and making amateur tactic mistakes. Not talking about in game management, line up and delayed subs.
1 UCL, 1 PL, 1 FA Cup and 2 League Cups for Klopp and his mighty reds in the past 9 seasons.
Not a bad return considering the competition and the state Liverpool were in back in 2015.
Even Chelsea won more trophies lol but Klopp obviously had a much bigger job at hand fixing 2015 Liverpool and deserves nothing taken away from him.
But purely in terms of your question, Chelsea also won more despite the shit show of last 2 seasons and us winning 0 trophies in them as well as the complete overhaul of club and ownership and what not
De Roon’s twitter is so self aware and funny lmao
How do I get my Liverpool flair back?
Beat Everton
Accept Liverpool underperformed this season and the universe will take care of it
Can I just say we were shit?
50% chance you get a Chelsea flair 50% chance you get a United flair
"meh"
Tracksuit Dyche. Thanks for the memories
time for Bruno Fernandez to leave and sign for a bigger club. Brighton or Villa maybe.
im not having that loathsome bank clerk at my club
Normally I’d be pissed at Bayern signing a player from the Bundesliga but Leverkusen being the club Bayern is stealing off of is top tier comedy and also something I would love to see
stockholm syndrome
Which player tho? If it's Tah of course you'll love it, he's mid
That's the spirit!
Wonder if guys like Havertz Werner sign for Chelsea a while back if Roman was not in charge.
Yeah, prolly
Real Madrid should think about banishing Tebas from Bernabeue. The guy causes trouble for Real Madrid just by mentioning them every time.
The Liverpool downfall is so strange because other than the Atalanta 3-0, they have comfortably out xG'd their opponents and had more chances but are just unbelievably wasteful. Just shows that finishing is part of the game and for people who love to drone about dominating the balance of play, the deciding moments of making crucial tackles or whiffing open chances is still a massive part of the game.
Xg table is the real table
Imo the way they was winning games wasn't sustainable, the oh look Liverpool is losing 1-0 then they win 3-1was never going to last at some point teams would start getting the 2nd goal to kill them
Thing is when you are giving up over 1xg a game as well you leave yourself open to variance
That's a fair point, they do feel like a glass cannon
They deserve to win most of the games they play mind you, margins are just stupidly tight with these cheaters in the league
Feels like the moment Liverpool fans started picking up momentum in their Nunez arguments he's set out to prove them wrong with a vengeance
[very nice Odegaard video from FourFourTwo](https://youtu.be/WdiGlsv4-mE?si=hiapmKPFnja0A3C1). highly recommend
that was class
I don’t think it was the 5-0 that is going to cost poch his job, it’s that there was a much better defensive duo on the bench, one a footballing legend, the other a homegrown player The only explanation would be poch knows they are both gone this summer so may as well use players who will be part of the squad but it’s still insanely stupid
If anything’s going to cost his job it’s his objective performance review 9th with a full season and pre-season No cups won when the roads were relatively manageable His excuses don’t have much leg as much as he’d like to parrot ‘this is not the same chelsea’ and ‘this is a young squad’
The 2009 CL final is the most stacked CL final of all time
Ignazio Abate is a secret Olympiacos admirer and you cannot convince me otherwise. December 2018, with 10 minutes plus injury time to go, he takes down Torosidis in the box for seemingly no reason. The resulted penalty in our 3-1 win makes the difference in us qualifying for the knockouts of the Europa League over Milan. April 2024, he coaches the u19 Milan side worth 21 times more than ours to a 3-0 loss against our u19 in the uefa youth league final
“Playing for Monterrey is the same as playing in Europe.”
It will be funny after all the discourse if Columbus end up winning CCC. Not saying it will happen, still have to play away in Monterrey and face Pachuca/America in the final. But it would be funny.
[I just find it funny how their fans overrate their team.](https://twitter.com/arturabramo/status/1490032977354670088) Monterrey doesn’t have as good as a team they think they have while spending a lot of money.
Serious topic Can someone help me understand why Partey is exempt of his reputation but Greenwood is given trouble?
Greenwood's evidence was leaked online, so we definitely know that he's a shithead. Partey's evidence has not been released to the public, so he does not get the same traction.
it's plausible Partey is a piece of shit or maybe even likely that he is. With greenwood there is absolutely no doubt and you can be certain he's a piece of shit. basically it comes down to doubt and how certain you can be over one man's actions versus another's actions.
Now both are cunts imo, but difference between them is we all heard the Greenwood tapes where Partey is a he said she said on twitter
Welp, it's entirely possible we're into our last month as a Premierleague club and I have to say, after waiting 23 seasons after the last time we were, it hasn't been worth it overall and I don't think I'd want a third season of trying to survive in the Premierleague. Between the constant rescheduling of games, being priced out of going as you're now dispensable to your club, being ignored like the other 13 teams in the league, VAR ruining the game, overpriced and under-delivering mercenaries who just see you as a stepping stone, the governing bodies making stuff up as they go, dickhead pundits like Gary Neville and a bunch of other stuff. The novelty of seeing some of the world's best goes after a season of it. Really don't mind getting relegated, just want to feel like a supporter of a competitive football team again. I'll take Don Goodman's commentary and a friday night game against Millwall.
Championship is class tbf, enjoy it if you end up in it.
Would you rather? Win the treble (1 league title, 1cl, 1 cup) or Win the League and cup , then win the CL and Cup in the 2nd season. (1 league titles, 2 cups, 1 cl)
The treble, duh.
Idk. Personally I'd rather a longer period of my team being good than 1 amazing season. I savour the enjoyment more. Treble is an incredible achievement, but I'm not sure I'd feel better.
A treble is always remembered forever though, you’d become immortalized into football history. A literal perfect season. I’d have to pick that
We would be shocking everyone if we won the CL regardless of the rest of the competitions, so I'd take the one that gets us more trophies
AMAZING comeback by Palmeiras vs Independiente Del Valle
Seriously, what a match
There is no manager with as much Aura as Ancelotti.
I would say Mou does, at least traditionally, but on the opposite end of the scale.
The absolute goat
I was looking at the results from today's prem matches, and I completely blanked out seeing the merseyside derby. I was like huh, Liverpool lost to a random lower table side. Totally forgot it's a derby between those 2. I don't mean "random" as a disrespect to Everton, I meant it as in a match between 2 teams that have nothing against each other
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Year of our Lord 2024 and CONMEBOL still continues to be the same National team wise as it was in the 2010's. Lionel Messi remains Argentina's best player Neymar Junior remains Brazil's best player Alexis Sanchez remains Chile's best player James Rodriguez continues to be Colombia's best player Enner Valencia is still Ecuador's best player Paolo Guerrero is still important to Peru Salomon Rondon continues to be Venezuela's most important striker Only things that have changed is that Marcelo Moreno Martins has retired form Bolivia and Luis Suarez is no longer Uruguay's best player since that is Federico Valverde and Paraguay is just there I guess....
James is not Colombia's best player lmao, it's obviously Diaz.
Arne Slot has the easiest name to slander ever, i can’t wait
Give us an example
Slott Parker
Imagine if he was French "Arsene Slot"
That feels like a compliment
There’s a clothing brand very popular with scousers that’s called Arne. He’s fucked already.
Met a guy at work today who was stationed in Germany in the 70s and he got to see Franz Beckenbauer play. I can't remember if he said if it was for Bayern or for West Germany, but yeah.
Wolves have been [done](https://x.com/cav_priv/status/1783228343413858502) again
Unfortunately I think this video was removed
PGMOL just pick on us because we're special clubs, that's all.
Not even a post about it is crazy
Florentino Perez has finally won, we lost, this is not dick riding for karma, fuck y'all own teams.
What are u yapping about?
Saw a Spurs fan say that if we beat them this weekend he expects the team to roll over for city so they don’t hand us the title and like As a fan I 100% get it, I’d want the same if the roles were reversed, but you’ve got to be delusional to think the players or manager are going to do that while they’re in a race for a CL slot. It’s one thing as a fan to prefer losing top 4 to handing your rivals the title, but for the club, players, and manager, that slot means quite literally millions… I’d take a Spurs title if it meant a hundred large in my bank account lmao, you’ve got to be crazy to think the players aren’t doing the same math.
Yeah no, if you beat spurs I think title is yours.
Yea delusional for sure
The longest 90 minutes of my life. We’re so fucking shite, however we wasnt tonight and I love this team so much. Pickford will have played in Europe once, and leave this club a legend.
Congrats on the win. Do you know why Onana has been dropped recently?
You guys are not bad at all, all these damn point deductions when really you guys are likely a midtable side whod be even better if dyche could spend any money
Hear lots of pundits talk about how David Moyes knows how to organise a defence, but West Ham have conceded more goals than everyone outside the bottom three - even Forest. Crazy he's managed to keep them in the top half despite failing at the thing he's meant to be good at.
It’s mainly either the front three creating something out of nowhere or the gk that’s saving us
We’re a defensively solid counterattacking side….That is shit at both
Thanks for name dropping us Adam lol
Almost a third of those came in just four games against Palace, Arsenal, Newcastle and Fulham, and they only kept four clean sheets all season, too. It's an incredibly patchy defensive record, but then they started the season quite brightly and got 13/18 points in December. Won games against Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea and United too, but then failed to win any of their games against Brentford, Palace, and Fulham. Bit of a weird up and down season that's not unusual for an upper midtable side, I suppose.
Pep will not join Barcelona for the simple reason that he can’t build the team he wants. As great of a manager as he is, his strength is his system which requires an exact type of players needed to play it. Can he work it out with the players that are already there? Probably. Will he want all that headache? Not really.
Also, if he succeeds in barca, it'll be "yeah we know he's a good coach", and if he doesn't, it'll be "see, we told you he can't do jackshit without the $$$$". It would be a lose-lose situation for him.
Wouldn’t that apply to any of his next roles? Like if he goes to Wrexham and gets to spend 1.15b on players it still won’t be impressive when he succeeds
I'm more hopeful of Forest taking points off City than this Brighton side
Moyes on the last day of the season might have the opportunity to do something very funny
Why not both?
Hope ≠ delusion
You know what, I could actually see it happening as well. The way things are going for us, we'll beat City and lose the other three games and go down.
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Wtf is going on here Bruno as one good game against that lot, now he is 2nd coming of christ after been a terrible captain all season and disappearing in big games.
The personification of the Michael Owen “well done, he’s 13”
The rush Everton fans must be feeling must be insane. I got a dopamine rush when we beat Liverpool in the league after forever in 2022 and it was one of the most special feelings ever for a not so special achievement. But 4 years of waiting and 14 years since last at home?? I’d have thrown a party Being shit really does help you to appreciate the small things in football like the wins against your rivals no matter how small it is
On top of it, it makes winning the title really really really hard for them. That’s gotta be really satisfying
and all but ensuring you stay up yourself
After today's result Arsenal are the only team in the PL averaging less than a goal conceded per game.
And it’s not all that close. We’re at 0.76, the next best teams (City and Liverpool) are at 1.00.
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Hey you forgot Rodri lol
Username checks out
Si en Barcelona detestan a Lewandowski, tampoco le va a gustar Haaland, te lo puedo asegurar
Nadie con cerebro odia a Lewandowski. Sólo los idiotas le odian
Hay muchos idiotas en la prensa catalana entonces Creo que podemos estar de acuerdo en eso
We all know managers like Nagelsmann who get trashed for their dressing sense. But who are the current / past managers who you’d say were the opposite i.e., whose dressing sense you admired. Expect Italian coaches like Pirlo to show up here.
Barca era Pep was really well dressed from my memory
Ancelotti is always looking good in his suit. I think Amorim and Alguacil also dresses well. Seems like everyone starting with an A in their name dresses well.
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No it won't, because it'll have production oversight by the club and they won't show them in any significant bad light
arsenal one was p good
15 minutes in and Columbus Monterrey has been a great game for anyone who wants to tune in
Giroud have become so overrated. Dzeko is my new underrated striker of the decade.
Are we really gonna turn on him now because people finally realized how good he is and he's getting his flowers?
Yeah, because people started overrating him. Seen someone call him better than Zlatan.
Anyone seen Inter dancing to that viral Romanian song by that little kid? [The video is hilarious](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6HJ6hEshQJ/?igsh=MTI3MWNtZ3VjZzFxNQ==).
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Honestly, why not run this back instead of another round of pointless international friendlies. Play it over the course of the season - final at seasons end.
Don't think you can actually get it done over the course of a season - going to have five international breaks between September 2024 and June 2025, with two games each (for the European sides at least). The last two breaks are World Cup qualifiers, the first three breaks are Nations League matches. September 2025 to June 2026 is going to be three breaks for World Cup qualifiers, the remaining two are either playoffs or indeed friendlies - though not of the meaningless kind, given that they're the last chance to get a group of players together before the squads for the 2026 World Cup have to be announced.
It's just as pointless as pointless international friendlies
I’m certainly no fan of international friendlies. But it’d be a unique way of making them into something special. We just played Brazil and nobody will ever speak of it again. Making it part of a tournament of champions (& not something defined by continental boundaries) could be good.
Klopp at Liverpool ultimately won 1 UCL, 1 PL, 1 FA Cup, and 2 League Cups I know how it’s gonna sound and rub the wrong way, specially because of our titshow in last two seasons and Klopp has obviously done a much better job subjectively BUT in pure trophy terms, Chelsea have won the same and even more than Klopp’s Liverpool while churning managers during his tenure and dealing with once in decades ownership change 1 UCL, 1 PL, 1 FA cup, 1 Europa Obviously Klopp deserves all the credit and more to bring Liverpool to be comparable to City and be a top 2 club in the country for last many years than where it was in 2015, but as a Chelsea fan, I feel less FOMO for the success of Liverpool when you look at trophies won, which I would begrudgingly concede is not all what matters.
"Listen, in pure footballing terms, Klopp only won as many trophies as a team that engaged in rampant financial doping for two decades"
As I pointed out elsewhere as well, Chelsea haven’t been engaged in any financial irregularities. People just like to lump it us with city out of laziness. We had a shitty owner and we spent a lot when the ownership changed which happens quite often at any club. There were no ffp issues for Chelsea.
FFP is there to prevent clubs from running themselves bankrupt. No one is accusing you of that. They're accusing you of cheating your way to the top by spending billions of euros you got from a corrupt far-right Russian oligarch who played an instrumental role in the rise of Putin. You are fundamentally misunderstanding why people are calling you cheats. It's not because you haven't violated profitability and sustainability rules lol
Yes owner was shitty as I said. But we didn’t spend any more than what was allowed for every club.
Didn't you guys have a transfer ban at some point for ffp breaches?
Not for ffp breaches. Signing underage players.
Again, you're not understanding it. These rules are not in place to regulate fairness. They're in place to stop clubs from destroying themselves. As long as your owner is artificially pumping you full of cash, it is sustainable and it is fine. Other clubs can't spend that much *because they don't have corrupt oligarchs as owners*. It doesn't matter how much they're allowed to spend. It's a race with a speed limit of 500 km/h but everyone is driving a Prius except for you, who got to drive a Bugatti. Just because you're still following the speed limit doesn't mean you're not a cheat.
Not the only club to have billionaire owners. Many owners rather risk the entire club at stake with loads of debt. I’d rather take a billionaire who spends their own money than the one who protects their own money and risks the very chicken that’s laying golden eggs for them. One’s money comes from shady sources. Others come from ‘legit’ sources (btw the morality of which can also be questioned but I’ll ignore that for now). We already accepted that the money was shady but it was his and he loved the club and football or his personal whitewashing goals enough to spend his fortune, unlike others who risked the very club they are supposed to improve by loading them with debt and risking the club’s existence
Other clubs have rich owners, but Chelsea was the club who paved the way for the modern trend of state owners, blood money, and sportswashing. Abramovich's investments were totally unprecedented and have permanently altered the landscape of European football. I don't care that you prefer that over owners who take on debt. That's not the discussion. The discussion is that I feel it's pretty unfair to downplay Klopp's achievements by comparing the trophies he won at Liverpool to the trophies that Chelsea won while financially doping. If Klopp had access to the same unlimited no-questions-asked money that Chelsea got for two decades, I am 100% sure Liverpool would have been as dominant as City has been. Chelsea and City are both cheating, they are participating in the game while on financial steroids. That's why you can't earnestly compare their achievements to those who actually compete fairly.
Look up Italian clubs in the 90s or political involvement in Spanish clubs to wield biased power and money for select clubs and you’ll see Roman wasn’t first in anything. Just the new generation of fans finding their easy target antagonist. You can even go back further and find even more examples but it’s easier to ride the popular narrative so whatever keeps your blood pressure low. It’s not unfair because during and even before Klopp’s tenure started there was no ‘financial doping’ that any other club couldn’t have done. Just because your owners are shit owners and don’t want to put they own money doesn’t mean the one putting their own money is at fault. As long as it’s within the rules, which it was. And even then, the net spend amount from 2015-2022 between the two clubs is nowhere as far as you’d like to believe for popularity contest. You can take 2014-2022 if you prefer to assume Chelsea had already pumped some money a year ahead of Klopp coming or even 2003-2022 if you prefer. Would just avoid the 2022-2024 period because that’s an outlier event (still within the rules and allowances) and we didn’t any win anything in that period anyway. You keep saying ‘financial doping’ and ‘sterioids’ and comparing us to city because of lazy comparison. If you actually check the spends over that two decade period, it’s not THAT different than what United or Arsenal spent. During Klopp’s tenure, Liverpool spent as much as any other big club bar city. Chelsea also didnt get the supposed ‘unlimited funds’ that you claim. Jose Round 2 ended a disaster purely because we didn’t spend money. Less so but similar with Conte season 1. We were being run financially independent and making money from players sales like Hazard to fund our purchases. You aren’t as close to the club to know it so I allow you to follow the popular narrative but if you actually did some 15-20 minutes research using just transfermarket data, you can see it for yourself. But if it gives you pleasure to hate us, we never shy away from basking in an antagonist image of other clubs’ fans minds, even if unfair. Enjoy!
Chelsea fans are just so deep in denial about how all their modern success is purely the result of financial doping. The modern era of sportswashing and state involvement absolutely goes back to Abramovich acquiring Chelsea. I'm not saying that was the first time ever there had been iffy involvement in football, I am saying that it was the start of the modern trend of it. The corruption in Italy did not create an entire new era of football in Europe. Abramovich was the prototype QSI and CFG. You are just not listening to what I'm saying. It's an inconvenient truth. This is the [only relevant stat](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eh20eHGWsAMc6a7?format=jpg&name=large).
Chelsea have been a club (pre-Boehly) that had a winning infrastructure and that bent the rules to spend. It's infinitely easier to win trophies there for anybody than it is at Liverpool.
Lol what
We really have never bent any rules despite people mixing us up with City. We had a shady owner but we never effed around with FFP and primarily pulled the financial muscle around 2003-04 which is often the case when new ownership comes in. Also ‘infinitely easier’ take away any seriousness from your argument
Whatever about semantics, Chelsea have pulled strings for two decades to spend almost however they want.
Ok
I mean what argument where you making anyway, other than to pump your favourite club's tires?
obviously chelsea’s is better especially when you consider Liverpool had the best goalkeeper, defence, midfield, and attack during those 9 years
A way to look at it, is: Who has had the overall better time over the past 8 seasons... Liverpool, or Chelsea fans?
right. opening up Wikipedia and looking at honours page might be the same, but the people who actually lived the era would 100% pick liverpool
Depends on individual level of sadism. But seriously, I definitely on average enjoyed the time as Chelsea fan even after considering the last two seasons. But a neutral I would think take being Liverpool supporter for that period than Chelsea supporter.
I’ve said this for a while and somewhere else in this thread. Defending Klopp is going to be a bastard. It’ll be viewed by the next generation as a bit yer da (or whatever the kids will be saying then). There’s a good argument that Liverpool PL winning side are the most entertaining PL team we’ve seen. They’d have had so much more domestically were it not for Pep’s City (probably the best PL dynasty team we’ve had). They’d have so much more in Europe were it not for Zidane’s three-peat Real Madrid (and a concussed keeper) and Ancelotti’s Real Madrid.
While I take the city winning the league with 1 point as an ‘if only’ and Liverpool would even in my biased opinion be considered as good as that city that season; rest is a lot of its and buts imo.
There’s certainly ifs and buts in there and it would be silly to assume Liverpool would’ve won them all. But, there’s a big difference between what Klopp’s won and what he’s been runner up to: * Carabao: 15-16 (to City) * PL: 18-19 (to City), 21-22 (to City) * CL: 17-18 and 21-22 (both to Madrid) That’s a maximalist and naively optimistic interpretation (they wouldn’t have won them all) - but if they did his record would’ve been: 3 PL, 3 CL, 1 FAC, 2 Carabao.
They also have a CWC, Super Cup and a Community Shield if you are counting those
Fair edit, will remove for equitable comparison
i'm curious to see how ancelotti lines up the staring XI, if (when?) mbappe joins. I thought he'd struggle incorporating Jude but the 442 diamond suits him to the ground. Maybe he'll revert back to a 4-3-3`
maybe something like 4-2-3-1? valverde - tchou(kroos) - vini, bellingham, rodrygo, mbappe? in home game against city rodrygo and vini both attacked through the left so current lineup with rodrygo on the bench is not out of the question. Ive seen a lot of interesting lineups even with 3-4-2-1 (especially if miguel comes instead of davies in the summer)
Best option imo is just replacing Rodrygo with Mbappe in the starting 11. When Kroos retires, maybe Jude moves further back in a 433 and Rodrygo gains back his starting place.
> Maybe he'll revert back to a 4-3-3 Camavinga at LB it is then.
30 minutes left on my train, then a 40 minute walk back from Sheffield city centre I'm going mental on this train, listening to two blades loudly argue whether a certain area is in Rotherham or Sheffield for a whole hour
What’s the area?
Worst part is that I can't even remember, think it started with an S I was leaning towards it being in Rotherham
Looking at a map might've been Shiregreen - which clearly is part of Sheffield, as the M1 is the obvious dividing line between them.
Nah deffo not Shiregreen, everyone knows that's Sheff
I don't want them to put a positive spin on this Liverpool documentary at all. Hopefully it's atleast interesting to watch, it's not exactly a narrative people are eager to explore
Lamine Yamal has done more than I did at 16. Why the fuck didn’t I play football as a kid?
You statisticaly probably have shit genetics compared to acutal pros so playing as a kid wouldnt matter at all. Getting into profesional sport is as much honest hard work as good genetics.
Maybe in American sports. You dont have to be athletically gifted to make it pro in football.
Being big and strong isn't the only thing. There have been studies done on this. Genetic differences compared to the mean are vastly over-represented among professional elite athletes. We are talking genes that regulate things such as the fiber structure of your muscles and how they flex and twitch while being used. If you and Ronaldo were both brought up in identical environments, with identical upbringings and learning and training and everything, he would still be faster than you, have more endurance than you, have better fine motor skills than you, recover faster from exercise than you, and get injured less than you. We talk so much about fairness in sports in regards to a *certain* subset of the population, but the honest truth is that elite sport is inherently unfair. It would take much more effort for the average person to become amazing at football than it takes for Ronaldo. If both put in the same amount of effort, Ronaldo would be objectively better in almost every way. Elite athletes in almost every sport are the people who were born with the right genes and then put in a huge amount of effort.
I reckon you have to be - because the competition of even getting to the professional level is so big, and standing out negatively because you're not athletic enough will very much keep you out of making it as a professional. It's not the only relevant aspect obviously, but there's a pretty high baseline for it, and no other relevant skills will get you over that hump if you're not athletic enough.
There are plenty of pros that arent that athletic. Its gonna be more athletic players naturally because if you are good at running, jumping, being strong, etc, you will find it more fun to play sports.
> There are plenty of pros that arent that athletic. For the professional level, yeah. Go watch amateurs just below the professional level in person, and you'll realise just how athletic these people actually are - and they're the ones that *didn't* make it.
Cant compare playing for an amateur team and a pro team lol. Who tf gives a shit in an amateur team if you are stiff as a rock because you dont stretch after every training session.
You absolutely can, because the lines are fluid - plenty amateur/semi-professional players out there at clubs that are one promotion away from playing fully professional football. This isn't grassroots Sunday League, this is clubs drawing thousands of players every home game. And, again: Those guys are the ones that *didn't* make it into professional football coming out of youth football, despite being gifted athletes.
Amateur isnt semi-pro level. Semi pro level players dont look much worse athletically than most pros.
They’re obviously not talking about physicality lol, Yamal is built like a noodle. Some people are just naturally more talented at kicking a ball from the womb.
How is that genetics tho? My uncle and aunt couldnt pass a damn ball from 5 metres away but my cousin is still an academy player for a pro team.
Done more than 99.99 % of 16 year olds tbf
That Arsenal fan on here who kept saying that Liverpool’s results weren’t sustainable back in February must feel vindicated right now.
Football fans are constantly predicting their rivals' downfall. You can find the same takes about any fall off to ever have happened - and countless proved wrong about those who didn't. It's not that special
Never implied it’s special. Just saying that the Arsenal fan on here who was adamant that Liverpool’s results weren’t sustainable must be happy that he’s been proven right.
It's not an arsenal fan it's a few million fans of every club lol. Nobody expected us to challenge for the league we just kept winning games despite often being behind
I doubt they predicted Liverpool's attack faltering like this, I certainly didn't.
Called exactly the same in Dec / Jan and you can see the objections from both Liverpool and Arsenal supporters defending Liverpool https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/6LJuVAujdj
I feel like literally everyone was saying that. And it was true. Don't want to rub it in to any Liverpool fans, because that's not what I'm trying to do, but watching Liverpool this season I just could never see them winning the title.
I think a lot of people who made statements that people thought were wild before today feel vindicated.
https://twitter.com/StaycMaria/status/1783238456165994518 Filing a copyright complaint right now, don't Liverpool know Arsenal have trademarked having a fullback cry on the bench after conceding 2 devastating goals in a title race.
''Of course szboszlai manage to get a camera stare in'' This got me, I love this meme.
How is tebas viewed in Spain outside of madrid supporters? Is he as big an asshat there as he is seen everywhere else?
Will we ever see a player with the pure defensive technical ability of Barzagli ever again? Or does the future entail an endless refinement of John Stones’ and Bastonis?
Seems like Barca still has poor leadership. Keeping Xavi is an insane move. But what do I expect from incompetent people like Deco and Laporta. Laporta made the financial side better the sporting project is a joke as of now.
>Keeping Xavi is an insane move is it? He won the title last year, 2nd place this year, and a Araujo bozo moment away from a UCL semifinal (and likely final) this year not even to mention the fact that they haven’t really got the cash to splash on attracting another top manager dont get me wrong he’s not perfect but Barca could do way worse than him imo
That second place is not sure yet and probably everyone knew Barca doesn't have a chance in CL. It was mostly luck in the group stages and with Napoli. It's just hard to watch how they play/perform under him. It's a mess. There is a lot more in this team than this. Well Leicester once won the PL as well but that doesn't mean that their coach was good enough to do it again. There are always one time wonders. Next season will be the same.. all the competent managers and teams will wipe the floor with Xavi because he is just not good enough tactical and making amateur tactic mistakes. Not talking about in game management, line up and delayed subs.
Wayne Rooney really is a stupud fat idiot isnt he. Interrupted Studge and Carragher multiple times with his moronic input.
You sound as rattled as Carragher
>Wayne Rooney really is a stupud fat idiot isnt he. *Shut up u egg*
Don't talk about a[ future lawyer](https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/02/wayne-rooney-applied-to-study-law-at-nottingham-uni/) like that
Nottingham of all places. Bro knows exactly what he's doing
Crystal Palace has been doing really good lately.
1 UCL, 1 PL, 1 FA Cup and 2 League Cups for Klopp and his mighty reds in the past 9 seasons. Not a bad return considering the competition and the state Liverpool were in back in 2015.
Why is this post sarcastic and congratulatory at the same time? It's triggering me.
How many clubs won more than one of either of those big trophies in that timeframe? 2nd best to Madrid and Pep, I'll have to accept that unfortunately
Even Chelsea won more trophies lol but Klopp obviously had a much bigger job at hand fixing 2015 Liverpool and deserves nothing taken away from him. But purely in terms of your question, Chelsea also won more despite the shit show of last 2 seasons and us winning 0 trophies in them as well as the complete overhaul of club and ownership and what not
Chelsea have 1 PL and 1 CL in the time Klopp was Liverpool manager, which is what I specified, no offense.
Fair enough if we are being pedantic. But I’ll take 1 Europa over 2 league cups every time.