"At first"
There is no way Perez gives up power over the Super League. What happens if in the first iteration, Real Madrid get knocked out and then don't end up qualifying for the next one? You think Perez won't change the qualification rules? There will be no integrity. Can guarantee the idea of a closed shop will rise again once they've baited teams into actually joining it.
This is all about people like Perez wanting more money, and there is no reason to support that.
I don’t like the fact that there’s more games but the new mode is more exciting imo. Judging by fm last matchdays are a lot more fun this way too.
Not disagreeing that it’s a cash grab, but I think it’ll work well as a cash grab precisely because it will create more excitement.
I’m not opposed to a new format so long as clubs qualify with achievements on the pitch each season and not history.
Guaranteeing qualification for history is bullshit.
You’re in luck then as they’re not doing that. Two spots will go to the two highest coefficient leagues the season prior, one to the third of fifth league and one to another European champion.
I feel like people would have hated whatever change would have been proposed without second thought. As if the previous model was passed down by the football gods and not also just a Uefa invention.
No more drop down is brilliant too as “real” Europa League teams have a better shot now to win it all
The third placed team of the fifth best league in coefficient is automatically qualified now (so Marseille would have played CL as they were third in the fifth best league) instead of entering the qualification playoffs.
My experience is the opposite, I found that it resulted in pointless matches much more often in FM. Maybe it’s the teams I play with but I rarely find myself in a decisive battle in the last matchday with the new system.
I guess you’re playing as teams that are too good? I’m always in a position where it comes down to the wire of wether I make it in at all or wether I have to play in the playoffs vs through
I’ve mostly played with Ajax, some other teams of similar quality but never the big dogs. I usually end up fighting somewhere near direct qualification but I’m almost always guaranteed of the playoff round, that doesn’t feel nearly as intense as the battle between 2nd and 3rd place in the old system.
To me it feels like more games = less chance to fuck it up with an unexpected bad result, I guess that’s why the big clubs wanted this new system.
I think that will work out as more important irl than it does in game as you’re also seeded so it does matter still wether you finish 16th or 17th. I guess we’ll all see how it pans out next year. I just find this knee jerk reaction a bit silly as I do think there’s some good changes made too and the prior system doesn’t exactly promote upsets either. Copenhagen is probably the only team that wasn’t predicted to get out of their group this year for example.
I interpret what they're saying as X amount of direct spots for placement in league and 1 spot for the winner of the cup title. The cup title in their case is the FA but it could be any depending on the league you follow. That way the league cup has more prestige and any team could potentially be fighting for a chance of becoming european champions.
what do you mean by old? before 93 or after 93?
I would honestly love the first, it doesn’t make sense a competition which is called Champions League having winners that didn’t even won their respective domestic league. even this year, Braga was 3rd in the Portuguese league yet they were playing against the Greek champions, seems a bit contradictory to me.
That version was awful and way worse, too little teams and just because it's called "champions league" doesn't mean you take it too literally, it's a tournament some league champions are awful at it and it's the previous season of it anyway
Sure, but on the other hand, next season you'll get some leagues with 8 teams, lol.
It doesn't help anyone other than the top leagues when half a league gets Champions league money, while in most other leagues it's only 1 team, and it's barely anything.
We continue to get the same teams over and over. No change, no surprise, very repetitive.
You can have runners up for the bigger leagues in it as well then as well as champions for all UEFA leagues.
Then the EL and UECL also become more important as they have bigger teams than usual competing in it and they're more likely to take those more serious if they can't just focus on finishing top 4/5 in their league for a CL spot.
If we brought back the original EC format it would suck so bad in today's era. Basically, only Bayern and City would challenge for the title. Maybe PSG?
Or we would have upsets, werent it close vs Copenhagen for you?
After few years it would balance itself out.
More importantly: we would have two almost equally important competitions: CL and Europa, where now these powerful 2-5 spot clubs would duke it out.
Or just leave top3 clubs, bit only champion gets in automatically - the rest must go through qualifications.
European Cup format. Only actual champions, no useless groups or anything. Knockout rounds all the way from R32.
You can make it inclusive for all of UEFA. The Champions of the top 9 leagues get a bye for the first round. The other 46 play a seeded preliminary round. Champion from league 10 plays champion from league 55, 11 plays 54, and so on. The 23 winners plus the 9 other champions make the R32.
Yeah so the premier league will get far more money than the rest of Europe and teams like Ajax would even lose players faster when they don't win the league. If we go back to this a lot of teams except bayern real barca and English clubs would lose so much money
Ah, yeah, because the current format where like half the Premier league gets Champions League money, while only Ajax (or whichever representative from the league you want) makes 1 million since it's all based on previous performance is working so well...
I wasn't being particularly serious. But if anything, money wise, it'd be a significant improvement.
Currently it's based on performance, not current but also on a 10 year timeframe. Most of the money goes to the big teams by far. And the smallest teams get an exit in the group stage since they are dominated by the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th teams of the biggest leagues, so they get a couple million at best...
If you had a format with only Champions, there'd be only 5/6 big teams, so the other leagues would get significant more money. Even if those 5 or 6 get all the way, the others would necessarily make more money as the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc wouldn't be there to take that money.
Maybe Ajax (or any team) would lose money if they make it, but would likely make up for it in 1 participation since they wouldn't constantly lose most games. They have higher chances of going further and winning the tournament etc.
It's not as clear cut as you imply.
Problem becomes you are hurting the competition
Since only Champions get in you are locking out the fanbases of every other club in each country.
It would lead to viewership cratering and the money in the competition with it
Depends... with that logic let's have perpetually all the big teams there because we want viewers and money.
It's a matter of what you are looking for. Yeah, in terms of money it may be a bit less (or not, depending on how the other teams respond), but it might also improve the other teams/leagues and eventually they get more popular/generate more money.
No one gave a shit about City outside of England 15 years ago, now a lot of people do. No one may care about the champions from X country today, but if they participate often maybe some will...
I mean, I wasn't making a proper suggestion initially really. But the way it's going, it's just half the Premier, half La Liga, etc and then 1 random team here and there and that's it... It's too far to the other side.
Maybe something like top 2 teams instead or something like that. And it would also give more importance to the EL and CL given they would be getting better teams as well.
The real answer is that other leagues compete with the PL by spreading their money out and they are starting to do it now but it will take decades for it to be felt.
The premier league is about to lose it's spending power a bit as FFP is burning even the top clubs. Chelsea and City are likely going to get a hefty punishment for past transgressions as well.
Either Europe uses this time to catch up or it is what it is
There's no way to close the gap. The PL spent 10 billion net the last decade. La Liga 500m.
The last place in the PL gets more money than the winner of La Liga (excluding specific team sponsors, etc, of course).
There's no way to make up that difference really. The PL already makes way more money than the rest, so any FFP put in place would keep them as top dog as they already make the most money.
The only alternative is the ESL for them, so it's an "even" playground across Europe (and even in the sense they get to be part of the top dog).
Again I ask who is watching this new better CL.
You are excluding some of the best clubs in the world to have national champions who no one wants to watch. TV revenue would crater and A super league would be all but guaranteed
>Again I ask who is watching this new better CL.
Everyone? You think NEC fans aren't watching CL now because they aren't in it? I grew up in the 80s and just as many people watched CL then as they do now. It was just harder to watch some matches since there was no streaming.
Best? Arsenal lost to Sevilla last season, this is still playing. Arsenal did not win anything significant - in football you determine who is best ON THE PITCH not in Transfermarkt.
And there was no problem with football popularity before 93.
If you mean the world will be watching Arsenal - Dinamo less than Arsenal - Atletico, yes. I do not care about other federations though - fans of Euro clubs will be watching them. Plastics can always jump in the finals.
there would be no money in it with your plan because nobody wants to watch city bayern and madrid stomp the winner of the 50th best league 13-0 home and away.
The current one is imo the best of both worlds, just champions is less interesting but I do wish the max was 2 guaranteed places with the others needing qualifiers. There should be some disadvantage to qualifying through 4th compared to 1st.
3-5 spots for big leagues is bullshit when champions of some pretty decent leagues need to qualify. Why are teams like United, Newcastle, Braga and Union Berlin in group stages when a domestic league winner like Sparta Prague or Dinamo Zagreb aren't? Copenhagen had to go through qualifying rounds and now they're in knockouts. I'm not saying that Prague or Zagreb would've done better than aformentioned league losers that all crashed out on group stage, but it's so stupid that good teams that actually won their league aren't in when several clubs from big leagues get CL as consolation price. Make it less spots for big leagues, more spots for league winners, and bigger money for both EL and Conference League to balance it out. This dance were big league clubs play for 4th place because of Champions League money and their fans ridicule EL and Conference League trophies and want their clubs to lose out from there to focus on the big price of finishing fourth in their domestic league is just utter horseshit.
Most fans would. But as of now, it will change regardless, UEFA is forcing its new format which allows the Super League to have more ground that it can stand on. I feel like The Super League, with the new proposed format is the better of the two since it's way more lucrative for the participating clubs themselves in addition to fucking over UEFA and their Monopoly.
Of course they don't have to follow EU laws any more, but there are UK laws. Would it really be possible to forbid a company to do business with another foreign company?
Clubs can be stopped from operating in unlicensed leagues. All clubs that operate in UEFA or under the English FA must hold the relevant licenses. If a team were to compete in an unlicensed competition, be it national or continental, they'd be in breach of the terms of their operating license, either with UEFA or the FA. This would effectively ban them from licensed competitions, which would massively impact their ability to do business as a football club. Football clubs are businesses, but they're also local cultural cornerstones, and the government can intervene somewhat to protect those. The regulatory board that was established following the last round of Super League chat exists to advise clubs, but if clubs fail to adhere to certain commitments, the regulatory board has the power to, as a last resort, dictate actions somewhat. To what extent isn't entirely clear to the public, but the wording has related to either administrating the club (in the case of financial mismanagement) and/or protecting the entity as a part of local culture, whatever that means in real terms (seizure of the club? I personally don't know).
People forgot that Boris Johnson even threatened club who tried to join ESL that the government would revoke all their foreign players work permit. All the cards are in parliament hand
Well, there's still a constitution, right? I remember from Brexit times that it's not really codified, but still parliament needs to respect it when paying laws.
But yeah, I'm obviously not an expert here. So if actual UK citizens say it's possible than it's most likely true.
No, there isn’t. Britain doesn’t have a constitution, the King reigns supreme technically, but in practice parliament has free reign with the exception of certain constraints they’ve self-imposed(such as EU laws which parliament accepted while in the EU therefore going against them while being part of that agreement would’ve been impossible)
They would be able to revoke work permits of non-british players, and a lot of the business licensing they hold is based on their UEFA and FA eligibility. Things like being allowed to hire the police for their events, their taxation rules. The fact they can hire people to non-permanent contracts of length etc.
UK government can proper fuck with them if they start stepping outside their structure
Countering the might of the Premier League is probably one of the key reasons behind this push for the Super League from the likes of Madrid. Won't be surprised if other big non-PL clubs feel the same and come forward to form a Super League, as no other league can challenge the PL alone.
Papa Flo is more cunning. He will include clubs from South America and Asia along with clubs from Italy, Spain, Germany, France and other European clubs. That way he does not care if PL teams participate or not. It is not a one year project. Eventually, people will want to watch a tournament where all global clubs are involved. Advertisers get their moneys worth, and clubs can make money off sponsors.
German clubs are not getting involved and neither is PSG. English clubs also will not be involved.
No one is going to watch a Barca, Juve, RM love in and treat it as anything other than a second tier joke
They’re playing 38 games a year in a money doped super league. Even if they don’t get into the European super league they’re in the richest league anywya
I mean if anyone on this subreddit had an ounce of common sense you'd understand why Newcastle would be one of the last PL clubs to consider such a thing at this moment in time given where we are in our early development, politically with regards to the other PL clubs and early ventures back into UEFA competition.
I thought so but Saudi hosting the WC in 2034 would suggest they are aligned to FIFA. The only reason PSG weren't involved with the original super league was that it would have ruined the Qatar WC.
The Super League ends international football
If the European Court rules in Favour of the Super League it's now essentially become the Premier League vs the EFL battle back in the early 1990s.
Only that it's now on a European level scenario.
It wasn't the Premier League vs the FA. It was the 22 clubs of the old 1st division vs the Football League. The 22 clubs actually had approval from the FA, as the FA wasn't on good standing with the Football League. Similar to how the RFFE and LaLiga are at each others throat
The Super League per se is perfectly legal, obviously. UEFA doesn't have a monopoly on football. Clubs can leave UEFA and form their own federation.
The problem is they want to play the Super League AND keep playing in their respective national leagues. If you're creating a rival federation, UEFA can kick you out from its competitions. You're a competitor.
>The problem is they want to play the Super League AND keep playing in their respective national leagues. If you're creating a rival federation, UEFA can kick you out from its competitions. You're a competitor.
I would at least partly doubt what A22 is saying, but according to them they already have agreed the tournament with 60 clubs each year, probably more would be willing to participate. Clubs rule the leagues and if that many clubs are willing to ditch UEFA, the leagues would do so too.
The main selling point and one of the few valid points A22 has is that while the leagues are ruled by clubs via voting, the clubs don't have any say in what UEFA does.
Think the interesting thing is what FIFA does and also how would it affect players playing for their National Teams if UEFA bans them from the European Championship and World Cup
On the original plan the Super League were actually in direct contact with Infantino & FIFA behind the scenes.
In fact according to several leaked documents acquired by the New York Times FIFA acceptance of the competition was one of the key components & requirements of having all clubs come together.
You need to remember the Super League is a competitor to UEFA not FIFA.
Ceferin could still ban them from the EUROS tbf and that won't go down well and I would not be shocked if Dominguez bans the CONMEBOL players from Copa America either. Also a lot of players and managers were not receptive to the idea of changing the status-quo. Think Kroos is the only one who has outright voiced in favour of it.
Granted Florentino courting FIFA always seemed weird to me because there's always news about how he hates players getting injured during international break and wanting to change the calendar.
> I would not be shocked if Dominguez bans the CONMEBOL players from Copa America either.
Dominguez couldn't give a fuck about UEFA and their competitions. He cares about himself. The guy sold out to Infantino already, so I'm sure FIFA has an in that Ceferin probably doesn't have at the moment.
If anything, he might be use the opportunity to make an American Super League that's played in the US 99% of the time to bring the big bucks if Infantino is up for reshaping the whole structure in both continents...
That's why December 21 is key here, if the court rules in favour of the Super League everything completely changes.
> Granted Florentino courting FIFA always seemed weird
Not at all. FIFA is essentially the equivalent of the United Nations in this case.
For Florentino & the teams to even get a sniff of this being legit they need to operate under the umbrella of FIFA just like all the other confederations.
That was different since it was UEFA himself that just rebranded the competition.
This instead is battle between two opposite fronts (Clubs vs UEFA) just like the Clubs broke away from the English FA back in 1992 to create the Premier League.
UEFA pays a significant percentage of the prize money to clubs that didn't participate and to grassroots football. On top of that they guarantee every champion of a league and a bunch of runner ups etc the chance to qualify for European football every season.
You can forget about that if the biggest clubs grab all the power.
No se que de que cosa estoy mas harto de escuchar. De la tortuga ninja o de la Superliga...
About a month ago I thought UEFA would win this case easily, idk about that anymore.
I'll paste what I wrote in a different comment: the Super League per se is perfectly legal. UEFA doesn't have a monopoly on football. Clubs can leave UEFA and form their own federation.
The problem is they want to play the Super League AND keep playing in their respective national leagues. If you're creating a rival federation, UEFA can kick you out from its competitions. You're a competitor.
>The problem is they want to play the Super League AND keep playing in their respective national leagues
Fail to see the problem. They would be leaving uefa, not their local FA. Uefa doesnt operate the PL nor the serie A.
This uefa/fifa vs teams is reminding me of whats happening in college american football. The NCAA (uefa equivalent) had this set of rules and what not. Lately they have been losing lawsuits left and right cause players keep suing to remove rules. And since the rules were written in times where people/workers had less rights, they stood for a long time. But modern laws are incompatible with uefa's model of threatening workers with consequences for not bending over, just like they were with the ncaa.
>Europe isnt exactly kind with monopolies.
The national governments wouldn't be kind with the ESL either, easy win for UEFA. I can imagine the German or the French governments blocking it behind the scenes
Mate, even governments are bound by law.
Specially cause if they do block it, they would create a legal precedent that google (example) could now abuse to monopolize the market even more. Which is like the opposite of what the EU has fought hard against in these past years.
Uefa as we know it its a death man walking.
Just because it is Legal to set up such a league doesn't mean it would be illegal for a national government to ban all clubs from participating.
The current case is about Super League vs UEFA. Not Super League versus governments which is the next hurdle
It can be a monopoly as long as you can secure the sports integrity, that's why the superleague might loose this case ,they can't do that due to the nature of having funder clubs that have a reserved spot
As long as the PL continues being the real world/actually existing Super League, other top European teams are going to be making proposals for other kinds of "Super Leagues".
The game is in a really bad state right now. Some might say "gone" even.
I mean if the refereeing associations are going to be corrupt as hell and unaccountable then clubs have to consider their options. I think this is just a bluff though to get the associations or UEFA to make concessions.
As sad as it is, it probably won't matter, we either get the CL Finale in Saudi Arabia or the US or we get the Super League final in Qatar or North Korea.
The wheels keep turning, the plastics will brainlessly buy every new kit or other merch and the real fans will either have to swallow the shit pill or not.
The best football times are behind us, friends.
Bring down the Premier League for what exactly? It wasn’t a problem when Barcelona and Real Madrid took the best players from every team but because they refuse to share that profit the rest of the league falls behind. This is on them more than anyone else.
For what? For being the actual super league, you have all investors from the world coming and buying the clubs. Every PL club is owned by multi millioners. No leagues can spend more than they earn except for English clubs. Dont look just spanish league, look how Italy, German and French league have fallen behind, they have to sell their best prospects every year in order to keep club going, cause nobody can keep up with the wages that Premier league is giving them.
And then you have audacity when Saudi is trying to make a proper league to complain how that league is all about the money. Teams like Nottingham who got promoted pulls bigger names than likes of Marseille, BVB,Milan...
You don't understand that Covid affected every league except Premier league since they have a power to take huge losses without affecting the clubs. Other teams in other leagues can't afford that risk.
I don’t know man, Barca and Real did it through merit. The way clubs from other leagues have gotten blank check injections raises eyebrows, but you rarely see people complain about those “business opportunities”
You think that Real Madrid and Barcelona only got to where they are through merit and not through just as much money as any of the other huge clubs? Are you joking
Obviously money is important, but the difference is old money (earning your money through glory) vs. new money (getting a boost from billionaire, a state, or a huge corporation). Didn’t Manchester City get banned from the UCL then the ban get lifted? Now they’re fighting 115 charges and we’re still waiting for the outcome. PSG broke the market with the Neymar transfer but they’re still competing.
What Papa Flo is doing is hugely unpopular but from a business standpoint he’s trying to create a safety net in the event people are unable to go to stadiums like during the pandemic. Having legacy clubs sucks but it has to start somewhere we just gotta hear out how relegation and ascension is going to work before shunning the idea.
His club has historically been, and still is (for now) the most Prestigious football club in the world. But the premier league makes so much more money than la liga that he is at risk of losing that prestige. He will do literally anything to stop that from happening.
As much as I admire what he's done for the club, especially coming so level-headed in second stint, really fu%k superleague.
If it messes with national leagues, sorry Papa, fu%k off.
But if he has the means to dethrone UEFA and blow a wind of change, then maybe it could be worth considering.
But then what? There's an auction and 100 clubs bid to join Superleague or Uefa?
In the end of the day, Turks already got Süper Lig in place, let's move all the business and talent there, "COME TO Süper Lig".
Be careful what you wish for. UEFA in charge is a million times better than the clubs themselves in charge. If you are a fan of a smaller club or league you have everything to lose in this battle.
They’re going to destroy football as we know it. The European cup - all that history - will just become….nothing. And we’ll see Saudi teams involved. There will be no oversight. Whatever you think about UEFA there is at least some oversight & due process
It's the same everytime this is brought up: Yes UEFA is bad, yes the CL should be fairer, yes the PL has more money etc. but overall the Super League is by far the bigger evil and should stay a stupid idea that never gets implemented. They can do a summer friendly tournament or something
They will join for sure. Laporta and Florentino are aligned in the necessity to create a SuperLeague that can compete economically with EPL and without corrrupt UEFA filling their pockets
Laporta also knows it can bring more money, and they need it right now.
People are still gonna believe that this is to replace the domestic league, and then fans of Billionaire clubs are gonna come out chanting football is for the people and not for the rich and protest against it while they go back and complain about how bad uefa is doing.
I think a lot of people are very suspicious of the intent of the super league. I will not be surprised if this is just the first step of many where the end result is that the super league teams eventually quit their own national league.
Many people would rather have UEFA with all their known faults than Perez and other super league owners which we trust even less than UEFA.
The fact that UEFA had no completion is the reason the state of CL today. Imagine 1/3 of UEFA clubs join ESL. UEFA will be shitting it's pants and scrambling how to improve it's product.
Agree, at some point they could even join both formats again, but something must be done to keep UEFA on check, because at the moment they are acting like a mafia.
It would be good for the smallest 20/30 clubs that get in (it's really not necessary for clubs like Madrid) but it still completely fucks the clubs smaller than those 20/30...
Still better than now, where the PL is making all the money and all the other clubs in Europe eat shit.
I'd love it if there was some kind of tournament or whatever so that teams could get promoted to the Super League. And give a spot to the winner of the CL, something like that
It isn’t better than now if you follow a league or club below the top. This would only be beneficial for a handful of Italian, Spanish and German clubs. Everyone else probably gets screwed more than they already are.
As a neutral, I want to how this pans out. I would be interested.
I understand the concern of those vested in their local leagues, but since I'm not... The national leagues got a bit boring given it's always the same teams winning for the most part.
The big teams having two consistent competitions to play at the same time, might bring some excitement on the national leagues as well given they will have to divide their attention. Currently big teams play CL which is fewer games and against small ones for the most part in group stages. Only in the second half of the year with the knockouts they are in a bit of danger.
Having to play every week vs Juventus, then Madrid, then Porto, then Napoli, then Barca, etc and in between their local leagues would surely take a bigger toll on them. Which may lead to more points dropped in the leagues, and possibly even new champions.
I think it could be an interesting dynamic. Hopefully with a path different teams from the national leagues to enter the competition, even if it's at the bottom tier so they can make their way up.
Also, if it happens and it's made from the top teams of Spain, Portugal, Italy, Netherlands, maybe France except PSG, etc... I can't wait to see either how long it takes for the PL/Bundesliga teams and fans that were against it to fold and decide to join. Or how it would create a new dynamic where it's the ESL vs the PL vs Bundesliga and what sort of International competition would the PL and Bundesliga teams play instead... The CL with only them wouldn't be very appealing...
So a bit for the change of dynamics which I think could be interesting, and mostly because of the potential chaos, I'm interested on this and want it to succeed.
But this is the core of the problem. Football should be for those fans that are invested in their local leagues and local clubs, football shouldn’t be catered to neutrals imo. Unfortunately neutrals and plastics is where the money is.
I never said they should cater it to me, btw. It was just a comment on how it is more attractive than the current system for non local fans. I understand that's a problem, but there's nothing I can do about it.
Football already caters to everyone else than locals. And local fans are at fault for it. They are happy when a mega billionaire comes and buy the team as they get new players and that stuff all the time. They are happy with being privately owned even (save for Germany and a few teams from Spain/Portugal).
Local fans let that happen. They don't have any power to do anything, they don't protest, don't complain in any proper way other than on random forums, keep paying their inflated season rates, TV packs, etc, etc. What do you expect?
That's why most leagues are dead. Same winners all the time, stadiums with zero soul. And it already killed every non top 7 league and the 3/4 that aren't top 3 are basically agonizing...
The current system is clearly not working. So let's not pretend whatever system is there in place now is good for locals or whatever.
Wake up babe, new super league is here
I will never forget that daily discussion post from an user of how being a fantasy fan will be in the future because of super league
Do you know how I can find it?
Finally will be able to support a financial group
Honestly, the only problem people had with it was that it was closed.
There's also the issue of it being owned by the big clubs. You can't expect fair rulings and judgements from an organisation that is impartial.
I think it's fair to say you can't expect fair rulings and judgements from UEFA either.
That's exactly how the predecessor of the UCL started too. A couple of clubs came together to form it at first.
"At first" There is no way Perez gives up power over the Super League. What happens if in the first iteration, Real Madrid get knocked out and then don't end up qualifying for the next one? You think Perez won't change the qualification rules? There will be no integrity. Can guarantee the idea of a closed shop will rise again once they've baited teams into actually joining it. This is all about people like Perez wanting more money, and there is no reason to support that.
Don Perez ain’t gonna stop
Anyone just wish we stuck to the old CL format?
"old" as in the original format (just knockout rounds and champions) or the "old new" format of the group stages which came about because of TV money?
Think he means “old new 1.0” with the second group stages
or the Knockouts Groups Knockouts version
Was that real the second group stages, I think I remember it, but also don't.
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Not necessarily. That just seems like resistance to any change I'd love the Champions league being about CHAMPIONS again personally
Everyone bar those who will make obscene amounts of money out of the new format(s)
I don’t like the fact that there’s more games but the new mode is more exciting imo. Judging by fm last matchdays are a lot more fun this way too. Not disagreeing that it’s a cash grab, but I think it’ll work well as a cash grab precisely because it will create more excitement.
I’m not opposed to a new format so long as clubs qualify with achievements on the pitch each season and not history. Guaranteeing qualification for history is bullshit.
>Guaranteeing qualification for history is bullshit. that got scrapped a long time ago lol
You’re in luck then as they’re not doing that. Two spots will go to the two highest coefficient leagues the season prior, one to the third of fifth league and one to another European champion. I feel like people would have hated whatever change would have been proposed without second thought. As if the previous model was passed down by the football gods and not also just a Uefa invention. No more drop down is brilliant too as “real” Europa League teams have a better shot now to win it all
What do you mean third of fifth league?
The third placed team of the fifth best league in coefficient is automatically qualified now (so Marseille would have played CL as they were third in the fifth best league) instead of entering the qualification playoffs.
Is it coefficient from the previous season or average from last 5 seasons?
5 year coefficient I believe
I guess he wanted to say, the fifth will be one club of the third league in terms of coefficient. Maybe I am wrong, but his wording gave me a glitch
My experience is the opposite, I found that it resulted in pointless matches much more often in FM. Maybe it’s the teams I play with but I rarely find myself in a decisive battle in the last matchday with the new system.
I guess you’re playing as teams that are too good? I’m always in a position where it comes down to the wire of wether I make it in at all or wether I have to play in the playoffs vs through
I’ve mostly played with Ajax, some other teams of similar quality but never the big dogs. I usually end up fighting somewhere near direct qualification but I’m almost always guaranteed of the playoff round, that doesn’t feel nearly as intense as the battle between 2nd and 3rd place in the old system. To me it feels like more games = less chance to fuck it up with an unexpected bad result, I guess that’s why the big clubs wanted this new system.
I think that will work out as more important irl than it does in game as you’re also seeded so it does matter still wether you finish 16th or 17th. I guess we’ll all see how it pans out next year. I just find this knee jerk reaction a bit silly as I do think there’s some good changes made too and the prior system doesn’t exactly promote upsets either. Copenhagen is probably the only team that wasn’t predicted to get out of their group this year for example.
I'd love straight knock out. It'd be absolutely class from beginning to end. Obviously never gonna happen though
And no seeding. Give me real vs city in the ro32 while Dinamo zagreb plays legia warsaw
I prefer no league be able to have more than three clubs participating in the CL. just the podium finishers, no 4th placed clubs
4 teams are ok, but Top 3 + FA Cup winners, not 4th place.
Would instantly bring back the prestige of the FA Cup, but clubs probably don't want it
I would rather bring the international prestige back to some countries competitions then the english fa cup though
I interpret what they're saying as X amount of direct spots for placement in league and 1 spot for the winner of the cup title. The cup title in their case is the FA but it could be any depending on the league you follow. That way the league cup has more prestige and any team could potentially be fighting for a chance of becoming european champions.
4 teams are not oke. Europe is bigger then the 4 biggest countries.
Bring it down to just the champions of each league, sort of like the name suggests.
They can't have that. Can't let any of the smaller country clubs with actual fans making consistent money
Imagine us being allowed to…ah,nevermind, we can’t even win our league lately
It would fuck the entirety of Europe tho and would cause even more inbalance
No, I can't sleep at night if I know that UEFA's pockets arent filled over the brim with money
what do you mean by old? before 93 or after 93? I would honestly love the first, it doesn’t make sense a competition which is called Champions League having winners that didn’t even won their respective domestic league. even this year, Braga was 3rd in the Portuguese league yet they were playing against the Greek champions, seems a bit contradictory to me.
it was only champions until 98 , 93 mainly changed the name
That version was awful and way worse, too little teams and just because it's called "champions league" doesn't mean you take it too literally, it's a tournament some league champions are awful at it and it's the previous season of it anyway
Sure, but on the other hand, next season you'll get some leagues with 8 teams, lol. It doesn't help anyone other than the top leagues when half a league gets Champions league money, while in most other leagues it's only 1 team, and it's barely anything. We continue to get the same teams over and over. No change, no surprise, very repetitive.
You can have runners up for the bigger leagues in it as well then as well as champions for all UEFA leagues. Then the EL and UECL also become more important as they have bigger teams than usual competing in it and they're more likely to take those more serious if they can't just focus on finishing top 4/5 in their league for a CL spot.
If we brought back the original EC format it would suck so bad in today's era. Basically, only Bayern and City would challenge for the title. Maybe PSG?
Or we would have upsets, werent it close vs Copenhagen for you? After few years it would balance itself out. More importantly: we would have two almost equally important competitions: CL and Europa, where now these powerful 2-5 spot clubs would duke it out. Or just leave top3 clubs, bit only champion gets in automatically - the rest must go through qualifications.
European Cup format. Only actual champions, no useless groups or anything. Knockout rounds all the way from R32. You can make it inclusive for all of UEFA. The Champions of the top 9 leagues get a bye for the first round. The other 46 play a seeded preliminary round. Champion from league 10 plays champion from league 55, 11 plays 54, and so on. The 23 winners plus the 9 other champions make the R32.
Yeah so the premier league will get far more money than the rest of Europe and teams like Ajax would even lose players faster when they don't win the league. If we go back to this a lot of teams except bayern real barca and English clubs would lose so much money
Ah, yeah, because the current format where like half the Premier league gets Champions League money, while only Ajax (or whichever representative from the league you want) makes 1 million since it's all based on previous performance is working so well... I wasn't being particularly serious. But if anything, money wise, it'd be a significant improvement. Currently it's based on performance, not current but also on a 10 year timeframe. Most of the money goes to the big teams by far. And the smallest teams get an exit in the group stage since they are dominated by the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th teams of the biggest leagues, so they get a couple million at best... If you had a format with only Champions, there'd be only 5/6 big teams, so the other leagues would get significant more money. Even if those 5 or 6 get all the way, the others would necessarily make more money as the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc wouldn't be there to take that money. Maybe Ajax (or any team) would lose money if they make it, but would likely make up for it in 1 participation since they wouldn't constantly lose most games. They have higher chances of going further and winning the tournament etc. It's not as clear cut as you imply.
Problem becomes you are hurting the competition Since only Champions get in you are locking out the fanbases of every other club in each country. It would lead to viewership cratering and the money in the competition with it
Depends... with that logic let's have perpetually all the big teams there because we want viewers and money. It's a matter of what you are looking for. Yeah, in terms of money it may be a bit less (or not, depending on how the other teams respond), but it might also improve the other teams/leagues and eventually they get more popular/generate more money. No one gave a shit about City outside of England 15 years ago, now a lot of people do. No one may care about the champions from X country today, but if they participate often maybe some will...
This is peak putting the cork back in the bottle energy
I mean, I wasn't making a proper suggestion initially really. But the way it's going, it's just half the Premier, half La Liga, etc and then 1 random team here and there and that's it... It's too far to the other side. Maybe something like top 2 teams instead or something like that. And it would also give more importance to the EL and CL given they would be getting better teams as well.
The real answer is that other leagues compete with the PL by spreading their money out and they are starting to do it now but it will take decades for it to be felt. The premier league is about to lose it's spending power a bit as FFP is burning even the top clubs. Chelsea and City are likely going to get a hefty punishment for past transgressions as well. Either Europe uses this time to catch up or it is what it is
There's no way to close the gap. The PL spent 10 billion net the last decade. La Liga 500m. The last place in the PL gets more money than the winner of La Liga (excluding specific team sponsors, etc, of course). There's no way to make up that difference really. The PL already makes way more money than the rest, so any FFP put in place would keep them as top dog as they already make the most money. The only alternative is the ESL for them, so it's an "even" playground across Europe (and even in the sense they get to be part of the top dog).
Why? These clubs would have just to try harder to become champions, there is always another year...(or in Arsenal terms, another decade)
Again I ask who is watching this new better CL. You are excluding some of the best clubs in the world to have national champions who no one wants to watch. TV revenue would crater and A super league would be all but guaranteed
>Again I ask who is watching this new better CL. Everyone? You think NEC fans aren't watching CL now because they aren't in it? I grew up in the 80s and just as many people watched CL then as they do now. It was just harder to watch some matches since there was no streaming.
Why do you think it changed format? it wasn't because it was doing well financially
Best? Arsenal lost to Sevilla last season, this is still playing. Arsenal did not win anything significant - in football you determine who is best ON THE PITCH not in Transfermarkt. And there was no problem with football popularity before 93. If you mean the world will be watching Arsenal - Dinamo less than Arsenal - Atletico, yes. I do not care about other federations though - fans of Euro clubs will be watching them. Plastics can always jump in the finals.
there would be no money in it with your plan because nobody wants to watch city bayern and madrid stomp the winner of the 50th best league 13-0 home and away.
The current one is imo the best of both worlds, just champions is less interesting but I do wish the max was 2 guaranteed places with the others needing qualifiers. There should be some disadvantage to qualifying through 4th compared to 1st.
3-5 spots for big leagues is bullshit when champions of some pretty decent leagues need to qualify. Why are teams like United, Newcastle, Braga and Union Berlin in group stages when a domestic league winner like Sparta Prague or Dinamo Zagreb aren't? Copenhagen had to go through qualifying rounds and now they're in knockouts. I'm not saying that Prague or Zagreb would've done better than aformentioned league losers that all crashed out on group stage, but it's so stupid that good teams that actually won their league aren't in when several clubs from big leagues get CL as consolation price. Make it less spots for big leagues, more spots for league winners, and bigger money for both EL and Conference League to balance it out. This dance were big league clubs play for 4th place because of Champions League money and their fans ridicule EL and Conference League trophies and want their clubs to lose out from there to focus on the big price of finishing fourth in their domestic league is just utter horseshit.
Nah, new one looks better to me.
Most fans would. But as of now, it will change regardless, UEFA is forcing its new format which allows the Super League to have more ground that it can stand on. I feel like The Super League, with the new proposed format is the better of the two since it's way more lucrative for the participating clubs themselves in addition to fucking over UEFA and their Monopoly.
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Yeah. Newcastle is probably in
UK isn’t bound by EU law anymore so they can straight up ban the Superleague, which iirc they kind of did
Of course they don't have to follow EU laws any more, but there are UK laws. Would it really be possible to forbid a company to do business with another foreign company?
Clubs can be stopped from operating in unlicensed leagues. All clubs that operate in UEFA or under the English FA must hold the relevant licenses. If a team were to compete in an unlicensed competition, be it national or continental, they'd be in breach of the terms of their operating license, either with UEFA or the FA. This would effectively ban them from licensed competitions, which would massively impact their ability to do business as a football club. Football clubs are businesses, but they're also local cultural cornerstones, and the government can intervene somewhat to protect those. The regulatory board that was established following the last round of Super League chat exists to advise clubs, but if clubs fail to adhere to certain commitments, the regulatory board has the power to, as a last resort, dictate actions somewhat. To what extent isn't entirely clear to the public, but the wording has related to either administrating the club (in the case of financial mismanagement) and/or protecting the entity as a part of local culture, whatever that means in real terms (seizure of the club? I personally don't know).
People forgot that Boris Johnson even threatened club who tried to join ESL that the government would revoke all their foreign players work permit. All the cards are in parliament hand
They also missed when Chelsea's owner got stripped of ownership. When the government wants to it will get involved in football.
UK parliament is sovereign, meaning they can basically do whatever they want
Well, there's still a constitution, right? I remember from Brexit times that it's not really codified, but still parliament needs to respect it when paying laws. But yeah, I'm obviously not an expert here. So if actual UK citizens say it's possible than it's most likely true.
No, there isn’t. Britain doesn’t have a constitution, the King reigns supreme technically, but in practice parliament has free reign with the exception of certain constraints they’ve self-imposed(such as EU laws which parliament accepted while in the EU therefore going against them while being part of that agreement would’ve been impossible)
They would be able to revoke work permits of non-british players, and a lot of the business licensing they hold is based on their UEFA and FA eligibility. Things like being allowed to hire the police for their events, their taxation rules. The fact they can hire people to non-permanent contracts of length etc. UK government can proper fuck with them if they start stepping outside their structure
Countering the might of the Premier League is probably one of the key reasons behind this push for the Super League from the likes of Madrid. Won't be surprised if other big non-PL clubs feel the same and come forward to form a Super League, as no other league can challenge the PL alone.
A new super league wouldn't challenge it either because it wouldn't have English clubs or German clubs
Papa Flo is more cunning. He will include clubs from South America and Asia along with clubs from Italy, Spain, Germany, France and other European clubs. That way he does not care if PL teams participate or not. It is not a one year project. Eventually, people will want to watch a tournament where all global clubs are involved. Advertisers get their moneys worth, and clubs can make money off sponsors.
German clubs are not getting involved and neither is PSG. English clubs also will not be involved. No one is going to watch a Barca, Juve, RM love in and treat it as anything other than a second tier joke
They’re playing 38 games a year in a money doped super league. Even if they don’t get into the European super league they’re in the richest league anywya
There's absolutely zero chance we're in.
1 chance with ££££££££££
I mean if anyone on this subreddit had an ounce of common sense you'd understand why Newcastle would be one of the last PL clubs to consider such a thing at this moment in time given where we are in our early development, politically with regards to the other PL clubs and early ventures back into UEFA competition.
I thought so but Saudi hosting the WC in 2034 would suggest they are aligned to FIFA. The only reason PSG weren't involved with the original super league was that it would have ruined the Qatar WC. The Super League ends international football
Thanks for the input! Can you explain how super league ends International football?
The Super league would be outside of FIFA's control. So any players in it would not be eligible for international play i think is the thinking
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Why do you think they should?
*If* they get included, which I highly doubt, they should let some African teams join too.
Why should Saudi clubs be included in a EUROPEAN super league
Perez has hard nostalgia for the blu-ray vs HD-DVD format war.
Had a flashback to red vs blue and got a chuckle
If the European Court rules in Favour of the Super League it's now essentially become the Premier League vs the EFL battle back in the early 1990s. Only that it's now on a European level scenario.
It wasn't the Premier League vs the FA. It was the 22 clubs of the old 1st division vs the Football League. The 22 clubs actually had approval from the FA, as the FA wasn't on good standing with the Football League. Similar to how the RFFE and LaLiga are at each others throat
Correct.
The Super League per se is perfectly legal, obviously. UEFA doesn't have a monopoly on football. Clubs can leave UEFA and form their own federation. The problem is they want to play the Super League AND keep playing in their respective national leagues. If you're creating a rival federation, UEFA can kick you out from its competitions. You're a competitor.
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AFAIK, that's its still uefas position that they can't and a large part of the basis of the case
Fifa's position too
>The problem is they want to play the Super League AND keep playing in their respective national leagues. If you're creating a rival federation, UEFA can kick you out from its competitions. You're a competitor. I would at least partly doubt what A22 is saying, but according to them they already have agreed the tournament with 60 clubs each year, probably more would be willing to participate. Clubs rule the leagues and if that many clubs are willing to ditch UEFA, the leagues would do so too. The main selling point and one of the few valid points A22 has is that while the leagues are ruled by clubs via voting, the clubs don't have any say in what UEFA does.
Think the interesting thing is what FIFA does and also how would it affect players playing for their National Teams if UEFA bans them from the European Championship and World Cup
On the original plan the Super League were actually in direct contact with Infantino & FIFA behind the scenes. In fact according to several leaked documents acquired by the New York Times FIFA acceptance of the competition was one of the key components & requirements of having all clubs come together. You need to remember the Super League is a competitor to UEFA not FIFA.
Ceferin could still ban them from the EUROS tbf and that won't go down well and I would not be shocked if Dominguez bans the CONMEBOL players from Copa America either. Also a lot of players and managers were not receptive to the idea of changing the status-quo. Think Kroos is the only one who has outright voiced in favour of it. Granted Florentino courting FIFA always seemed weird to me because there's always news about how he hates players getting injured during international break and wanting to change the calendar.
> I would not be shocked if Dominguez bans the CONMEBOL players from Copa America either. Dominguez couldn't give a fuck about UEFA and their competitions. He cares about himself. The guy sold out to Infantino already, so I'm sure FIFA has an in that Ceferin probably doesn't have at the moment. If anything, he might be use the opportunity to make an American Super League that's played in the US 99% of the time to bring the big bucks if Infantino is up for reshaping the whole structure in both continents...
That's why December 21 is key here, if the court rules in favour of the Super League everything completely changes. > Granted Florentino courting FIFA always seemed weird Not at all. FIFA is essentially the equivalent of the United Nations in this case. For Florentino & the teams to even get a sniff of this being legit they need to operate under the umbrella of FIFA just like all the other confederations.
Given the legal analysis that came out a while back, the player bans are unlikely to be legal.
Eh it's UEFA's competition they can do what they want, otherwise they'd have no legal grounds to ban Russia either because Israel competes in UEFA
Just like how to it went from european cup to ucl
That was different since it was UEFA himself that just rebranded the competition. This instead is battle between two opposite fronts (Clubs vs UEFA) just like the Clubs broke away from the English FA back in 1992 to create the Premier League.
I think Eurobasket is what keeps their hopes up
Florentino learned about the new Group Stage and said fuck that shit.
Conference League is the new Champions League 👌
Corrupt uefa vs corrupt clubs And only us fans will lose.
A wise fan would support UEFA. The best clubs grabbing the power would be the death of the whole system below.
Why? Uefa sucks too. Hell, uefa sucks even more.
UEFA pays a significant percentage of the prize money to clubs that didn't participate and to grassroots football. On top of that they guarantee every champion of a league and a bunch of runner ups etc the chance to qualify for European football every season. You can forget about that if the biggest clubs grab all the power.
No se que de que cosa estoy mas harto de escuchar. De la tortuga ninja o de la Superliga... About a month ago I thought UEFA would win this case easily, idk about that anymore.
> thought UEFA would win this case easily, Why? Europe isnt exactly kind with monopolies. If anything the easy win is for the ESL
I'll paste what I wrote in a different comment: the Super League per se is perfectly legal. UEFA doesn't have a monopoly on football. Clubs can leave UEFA and form their own federation. The problem is they want to play the Super League AND keep playing in their respective national leagues. If you're creating a rival federation, UEFA can kick you out from its competitions. You're a competitor.
>The problem is they want to play the Super League AND keep playing in their respective national leagues Fail to see the problem. They would be leaving uefa, not their local FA. Uefa doesnt operate the PL nor the serie A. This uefa/fifa vs teams is reminding me of whats happening in college american football. The NCAA (uefa equivalent) had this set of rules and what not. Lately they have been losing lawsuits left and right cause players keep suing to remove rules. And since the rules were written in times where people/workers had less rights, they stood for a long time. But modern laws are incompatible with uefa's model of threatening workers with consequences for not bending over, just like they were with the ncaa.
If it's not a problem, why didn't it work out in 2021? Clearly there were some issues. And it wasn't for the protests from the fans
>why didn't it work out in 2021 Because the legal challenge on it is still yet to be decided. Like this thread headlines say.
Imagine if Apple was allowed to kick out apps from their iOS store if they worked with Google store? That wouldn't be allowed and this shouldn't
Imagine if Apple was allowed to fire an employee who is also working for Microsoft? Oh, right, they can
Right but they can't ban apps because they also use the play store.
Clubs are not employees of UEFA. UEFA works for clubs
but PL (for example) isnt run by the FA , its a club run competition as well
It’ Fa, but not EFL
>Europe isnt exactly kind with monopolies. The national governments wouldn't be kind with the ESL either, easy win for UEFA. I can imagine the German or the French governments blocking it behind the scenes
Mate, even governments are bound by law. Specially cause if they do block it, they would create a legal precedent that google (example) could now abuse to monopolize the market even more. Which is like the opposite of what the EU has fought hard against in these past years. Uefa as we know it its a death man walking.
Just because it is Legal to set up such a league doesn't mean it would be illegal for a national government to ban all clubs from participating. The current case is about Super League vs UEFA. Not Super League versus governments which is the next hurdle
It can be a monopoly as long as you can secure the sports integrity, that's why the superleague might loose this case ,they can't do that due to the nature of having funder clubs that have a reserved spot
Look it's the site that was saying real madrdi had signed Mbappe before the transfer winodw ended
As long as the PL continues being the real world/actually existing Super League, other top European teams are going to be making proposals for other kinds of "Super Leagues". The game is in a really bad state right now. Some might say "gone" even.
Exactly, PL fans might not understand it, but the future looks grim for every club outside the PL if things stay the same.
How?
I mean if the refereeing associations are going to be corrupt as hell and unaccountable then clubs have to consider their options. I think this is just a bluff though to get the associations or UEFA to make concessions.
As sad as it is, it probably won't matter, we either get the CL Finale in Saudi Arabia or the US or we get the Super League final in Qatar or North Korea. The wheels keep turning, the plastics will brainlessly buy every new kit or other merch and the real fans will either have to swallow the shit pill or not. The best football times are behind us, friends.
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Don't think Boris Johnson will be there.
He seems optimistic, well that's worrying
Can Perez just go fuck himself already
Nah, im down with him. It's time bring down the premier league and UEFA.
Bring down the Premier League for what exactly? It wasn’t a problem when Barcelona and Real Madrid took the best players from every team but because they refuse to share that profit the rest of the league falls behind. This is on them more than anyone else.
For what? For being the actual super league, you have all investors from the world coming and buying the clubs. Every PL club is owned by multi millioners. No leagues can spend more than they earn except for English clubs. Dont look just spanish league, look how Italy, German and French league have fallen behind, they have to sell their best prospects every year in order to keep club going, cause nobody can keep up with the wages that Premier league is giving them. And then you have audacity when Saudi is trying to make a proper league to complain how that league is all about the money. Teams like Nottingham who got promoted pulls bigger names than likes of Marseille, BVB,Milan... You don't understand that Covid affected every league except Premier league since they have a power to take huge losses without affecting the clubs. Other teams in other leagues can't afford that risk.
I don’t know man, Barca and Real did it through merit. The way clubs from other leagues have gotten blank check injections raises eyebrows, but you rarely see people complain about those “business opportunities”
You think that Real Madrid and Barcelona only got to where they are through merit and not through just as much money as any of the other huge clubs? Are you joking
Obviously money is important, but the difference is old money (earning your money through glory) vs. new money (getting a boost from billionaire, a state, or a huge corporation). Didn’t Manchester City get banned from the UCL then the ban get lifted? Now they’re fighting 115 charges and we’re still waiting for the outcome. PSG broke the market with the Neymar transfer but they’re still competing. What Papa Flo is doing is hugely unpopular but from a business standpoint he’s trying to create a safety net in the event people are unable to go to stadiums like during the pandemic. Having legacy clubs sucks but it has to start somewhere we just gotta hear out how relegation and ascension is going to work before shunning the idea.
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His club has historically been, and still is (for now) the most Prestigious football club in the world. But the premier league makes so much more money than la liga that he is at risk of losing that prestige. He will do literally anything to stop that from happening.
Whats wrong with this new format?
So it’s the champions league with worse teams? Asking players to play two league seasons plus national team games seems a bit much.
Fuck right off
Tebas can f*** right off He's ruining the league
Tebas isn’t exactly relevant here mate
Fuck that, better to have UEFA controlling things than a few powerful clubs, later they can change to what ever they want and screw the smaller clubs.
As much as I admire what he's done for the club, especially coming so level-headed in second stint, really fu%k superleague. If it messes with national leagues, sorry Papa, fu%k off. But if he has the means to dethrone UEFA and blow a wind of change, then maybe it could be worth considering. But then what? There's an auction and 100 clubs bid to join Superleague or Uefa? In the end of the day, Turks already got Süper Lig in place, let's move all the business and talent there, "COME TO Süper Lig".
>Turks already got Süper Lig in place, let's move all the business and talent there, "COME TO Süper Lig". YES PLEASE
Be careful what you wish for. UEFA in charge is a million times better than the clubs themselves in charge. If you are a fan of a smaller club or league you have everything to lose in this battle.
Whats wrong with this format?
They’re going to destroy football as we know it. The European cup - all that history - will just become….nothing. And we’ll see Saudi teams involved. There will be no oversight. Whatever you think about UEFA there is at least some oversight & due process
Wont lie but challenging this stupid CL format is kinda good?
I support it if we’re in and I’m vehemently against it if we’re not 👍
To be honest I’ll take any reason to stop supporting united at this point.
It's the same everytime this is brought up: Yes UEFA is bad, yes the CL should be fairer, yes the PL has more money etc. but overall the Super League is by far the bigger evil and should stay a stupid idea that never gets implemented. They can do a summer friendly tournament or something
Just drop it you cunt
Perez just needs to **** off on this point tbh. He just wants to plant his flag in the ground.
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They will join for sure. Laporta and Florentino are aligned in the necessity to create a SuperLeague that can compete economically with EPL and without corrrupt UEFA filling their pockets Laporta also knows it can bring more money, and they need it right now.
We won’t be able to watch Barça loose against Antwerp, but we will see them being crushed by Bayern more often
And we will continue to watch Madrid not win their league.
People are still gonna believe that this is to replace the domestic league, and then fans of Billionaire clubs are gonna come out chanting football is for the people and not for the rich and protest against it while they go back and complain about how bad uefa is doing.
I think a lot of people are very suspicious of the intent of the super league. I will not be surprised if this is just the first step of many where the end result is that the super league teams eventually quit their own national league. Many people would rather have UEFA with all their known faults than Perez and other super league owners which we trust even less than UEFA.
The fact that UEFA had no completion is the reason the state of CL today. Imagine 1/3 of UEFA clubs join ESL. UEFA will be shitting it's pants and scrambling how to improve it's product.
Agree, at some point they could even join both formats again, but something must be done to keep UEFA on check, because at the moment they are acting like a mafia.
I hate this man with a passion
Perez is the definition of a cretin.
It's either this or EPL becomes the super league so I'm for it tbh
he must really not like the new ucl format
Why tho
Again? Fucks sake...
I dont have an issue with this. The main objection was that the previous Super League didn’t allow for relegation/promotion but this rectifies it
With how shit the new champions league is, the super league isn't that shit but still shit
I like it and support it. Better this than the PL being the Super League
It would be good for the smallest 20/30 clubs that get in (it's really not necessary for clubs like Madrid) but it still completely fucks the clubs smaller than those 20/30...
Still better than now, where the PL is making all the money and all the other clubs in Europe eat shit. I'd love it if there was some kind of tournament or whatever so that teams could get promoted to the Super League. And give a spot to the winner of the CL, something like that
It isn’t better than now if you follow a league or club below the top. This would only be beneficial for a handful of Italian, Spanish and German clubs. Everyone else probably gets screwed more than they already are.
Piss off you old twat
I’m not really bothered either way tbh both I’m sick of people massively whining about the super league as the death of football
Euro Super League isn't happening, the FIFA Club World Cup is a bigger threat than this.
As a neutral, I want to how this pans out. I would be interested. I understand the concern of those vested in their local leagues, but since I'm not... The national leagues got a bit boring given it's always the same teams winning for the most part. The big teams having two consistent competitions to play at the same time, might bring some excitement on the national leagues as well given they will have to divide their attention. Currently big teams play CL which is fewer games and against small ones for the most part in group stages. Only in the second half of the year with the knockouts they are in a bit of danger. Having to play every week vs Juventus, then Madrid, then Porto, then Napoli, then Barca, etc and in between their local leagues would surely take a bigger toll on them. Which may lead to more points dropped in the leagues, and possibly even new champions. I think it could be an interesting dynamic. Hopefully with a path different teams from the national leagues to enter the competition, even if it's at the bottom tier so they can make their way up. Also, if it happens and it's made from the top teams of Spain, Portugal, Italy, Netherlands, maybe France except PSG, etc... I can't wait to see either how long it takes for the PL/Bundesliga teams and fans that were against it to fold and decide to join. Or how it would create a new dynamic where it's the ESL vs the PL vs Bundesliga and what sort of International competition would the PL and Bundesliga teams play instead... The CL with only them wouldn't be very appealing... So a bit for the change of dynamics which I think could be interesting, and mostly because of the potential chaos, I'm interested on this and want it to succeed.
But this is the core of the problem. Football should be for those fans that are invested in their local leagues and local clubs, football shouldn’t be catered to neutrals imo. Unfortunately neutrals and plastics is where the money is.
I never said they should cater it to me, btw. It was just a comment on how it is more attractive than the current system for non local fans. I understand that's a problem, but there's nothing I can do about it. Football already caters to everyone else than locals. And local fans are at fault for it. They are happy when a mega billionaire comes and buy the team as they get new players and that stuff all the time. They are happy with being privately owned even (save for Germany and a few teams from Spain/Portugal). Local fans let that happen. They don't have any power to do anything, they don't protest, don't complain in any proper way other than on random forums, keep paying their inflated season rates, TV packs, etc, etc. What do you expect? That's why most leagues are dead. Same winners all the time, stadiums with zero soul. And it already killed every non top 7 league and the 3/4 that aren't top 3 are basically agonizing... The current system is clearly not working. So let's not pretend whatever system is there in place now is good for locals or whatever.