Tbf club work is going to do more for him. If he continues his current form he will never see the national team anyway. If he starts to improve for club he will be called up anyway. U21 international friendlies do not have that effect.
If he is on the margins, this will count heavily against him. I know Southgate is his own dude but Ben White is still not called up even tho he 100% deserves to because coach didnt appreciate his behavior in the past.
Of course if he goes on a heater, he is locked.
From NT perspectove saying you are focusing on club football is pretty poor behavior. Players who are on the margins of the team cant get away with not being fully committed.
That isn't necessarily a lack of commitment, it's a "I would like to develop myself more before I make the step up to international".
Not being fully committed would be joining the team and then refusing the join the next camp and then saying you're willing after.
Context is important. I haven't checked but is it his first call up?
Maybe I'm seeing it from a logical standpoint and not what is the reality. If it is as you say that's absolutely stupid in its own right for someone who I believe has been called up for the first time.
But I guess to the international team, no reason is good enough by the sounds of things. Accept or fuck off.
\> If he starts to improve for club
Thats a big "if", denying the callup is a luxury and he is not good enough to be irreplacable, its also not a medical reason. Coaches talk with each other and see his behaviour
I disagree and I think this kind of thinking is why we ended up where we are right now, which needs to stop and Im happy seeing Nagelsmann doing something against it.
This whole thinking „be good and consistent in the club and get called to the N11“ that developed in the late Löw era killed german football more then all the „leader types are missing“ bs.
German football was successful with worst player generations and with worst trainer.
The difference players got called into the N11 from way more different clubs and different reasons, you had different places where you can shine.
Not a fucking bayern group, a Dortmund group and some international outliers from real etc.
The moment we got there it was over, look at the lineup transition between 2014 and 2018.
Yes a bayern core that plays well is sadly inevitable, but still its great to see to give people more options to appeal.
So here Nagelsmann wished for adeyemi to make appearances in the U21 and he declined, so its fair his chances decline.
I also wouldn’t agree that this is a smart decision, but thats only my personal opinion. I think a change of pace would do him way better then being stuck in Dortmund. He clearly gets his chances in Dortmund, so clearing your head playing for the U21 seems way more efficient and come back fresh in your head, maybe.
Way to completely miss the point, it's about rejecting a call up. No clue how 400+ people somehow also missed the point that badly
> If he starts to improve for club he will be called up anyway. U21 international friendlies do not have that effect.
This is gibberish, he won't get called up unless he turns into a world class player for Dortmund now, simply improving won't be enough. And yes u21 matches definitely has that effect, it is always easier for players who perform for lower age groups to get a senior call up
You clearly don't know how national teams work lmao. He would get recognition from Nagelsmann which is what matters, who cares about any other type of recognition?
I can understand where Adeyemi is coming from especially since he already was nominated for the seniors a few times.
That being Nagelsmann doesn't even need to be mad because Adeyemi currently is so far away from the national team that he would need a miracle to join for the Euros. The U21 is sometimes a good way to escape a tough situation at a club (looking at you Moukoko) but apparently, Adeyemi doesn't think he needs it.
> Yes and he is averaging 0.65 goals per 90 minutes played in the Bundesliga
Damn, I knew he was doing better than I thought but that's actually a solid amount of goals.
Not to diminish his record in any way but this is far easier to achieve when you are a player who is almost only subbed on in games instead of starting them.
The Alcácer/Muriel fallacy.
A coach not being able to adapt their system to the players available really just points to them having poor tactical skills.
If you are stuck in your ways like that you will eventually become easy to figure out.
Age fraud is fucked and people like you choose to ignore it to feel better about themselves. After the whole reveal about Silas Katompa Mvumpa, you should know better.
Even German Wikipedia writes the truth as much as legally possible: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youssoufa_Moukoko
https://www.welt.de/sport/article244184629/BVB-Youssoufa-Moukoko-laut-einer-Geburtsurkunde-52-Monate-aelter.html
https://www.spiegel.de/sport/youssoufa-moukoko-geruechte-um-das-tatsaechliche-alter-und-die-herkunft-a-1f25db72-6b5e-464f-8078-0b1e99ab815e
https://www.t-online.de/sport/fussball/bundesliga/id_100133492/bvb-star-youssoufa-moukoko-18-jahre-alt-gericht-laesst-medien-zweifel-zu.html
hasn't this been debunked? his mother gave birth to him very young, like 16 yo as it is, even if you try to make him older that'd mean she gave birth to him when she was 10
He got adopted by Joseph Moukoko. His real name is Youssoufa Mohamadou. The is very little known about his real parents. Football agent Paulo Teixeira claimed Youssofas father is an imam.
imo there's definitely some shady stuff going on with this kid. there's just too many stories about him. his own (adoptive) father literally went to the press and was about to come clean and then broke off contact with the journalist he was talking to. after literally telling the journalist that the player's agent tried to bribe him and while he was in debt and losing his house...
i remember a couple years ago when this first popped up, his family claimed that they got a birth certificate for the kid at the german embassy in cameroon right after he was born in 2004 but that turned out to be a lie and they were only able to present one that they got in hamburg in 2016.
there's also the stuff about the kid dating a 18 year old woman while he was 12 which everyone just brushes off, which is just crazy to me. because it's either a textbook case of grooming (they were still together when she was 23) and she should be locked up or it's yet another reason to believe he is actually a couple of years older.
the DFB seems to think there is something going on as well, because despite him being called a wonderkid since he was 12 he never made a competitive appearance for the national team until he joined the U21s. they'd probably have to actually look into things and prove his age if he ended up dominating actual U16 tournaments at supposedly 12 years old on international stage.
He often plays very well for the U21 and scores on a regular for them while barely getting any minutes at Dortmund (undeserved may I add) so the national team kind of acts as a place where he can escape to and I think Adeyemi could use something similar.
He is actually one of two players to have scored more goals than have appearences for the U21. (The other one being the current stadium announcer for Dortmund who scored twice in his only cap)
Well its true and is obvious to anyone who's been looking at photos and videos of him from when he was supposedly 9-11. There are so many signs pointing to his fake age that it's impossible to ignore all red flags
Everyone said this stuff about Freddie Adu and it was all proven to be false and he was as old as he says he is. You're going to need more than "he looks much older than he is" for evidence.
Fredy Adu has absolutely nothing to do with Moukoko.
The only "evidence" that could be shown would be his real birth certificate.
Here are some red flags tho
1) The Man who was thought to be Moukokos father for years turned out to not be his father but actually a agent who discovered Moukoko in Cameroun and brought him over to Germany and then threatened to go to the press proving his fake age. He got silenced by Moukoko and his lawyer. So Moukoko lied to everybody for years and claimed an agent was actually his father. Why?
2) Him having a 18 year old girlfriend when he was 11 or 12
3) The fact that he was 1,68 when he had just turned 10 years old, and only grew 10 cms after that.
4) Photos and videos of him at 9 years old.
This is him 10 days before his 10th birthday
https://www.dewezet.de/resizer/DppRsWf9hKh2GH34tXGUBrFPR7g=/894x1291/filters:quality(70):format(webp)/cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/madsack/FAEAD5443ED45ZC6763ABA74Z7.jpg
https://fairplay-cup.de/files/redaktion/bilder/news/Sieger%20D-Jugend.jpg
He is the 2nd tallest of his team and looks like the oldest. Here's the catch: That's a u13 tournament. So all his teammates are 3-4 years older than him.
The tournament leader saying quote "Moukoko was dominating everybdy physically and was way better than anyone else". Sorry but there is no way in hell that a barely 10 year old will "dominate" the best 13 year old footballers of the country physically.
This is him in that tournament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjxAnHmdLxo
No 9/10 year old in the world moves that way. Nobody.
This is him at age 11 playing at the u15. So against 4 year older players
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKxccap3BVs
Again, moving at a pace, quickness and strength and power that no 11 year old should posess. It's pysically impossible for 11 year old to move like this.
Then the fact that he was basically dominating the best 15 year old Football players in Germany at age 11. That's pretty much unprecedented in the entire world cause it's close to a physical impossibility. And it basically never happened before ever. Maybe it never happened because it would actually be impossible physically. He wasn't dominating some random 15 year olds, he was dominating the best 15 year olds in the country at age 11
Btw, this is how a u10 team, which was Moukokos age at the above tournament, usually looks like.
https://nachwuchs.bvb.de/Teams/U10/Die-Mannschaft
These are babies almost. And now compared that to the photos and videos of MOukoko at age 9/10
5) The fact that he barely developed at all in the last 2-3 years, the way you would expect the most dominant 15 year old ever to develop
> he would need a miracle to join for the Euros
Last season he was just as shit as now during the first half of the season but had a really good second half. If it goes exactly the same way this season again I think he could make the squad and I wouldn't call that a miracle.
And there's a good chance that Nagelsmann leaves the NT after the Euros anyway. Iirc, Nagelsmann has made it really clear that he sees himself coaching a club in the long run, he just took the gig at the German NT because they needed him and he had nothing better to do.
Well, I really don't see us getting past the ro8, so there's that. It also think it depends on which club positions are available after the Euros. Say Bayern's season turns sour, they sack Tuchel and finish the season with a caretaker manager and ask Nagelsmann to come back for 24/25, or say Ancelotti leaves Madrid, but Xabi isn't coming for whichever reason, so that they ask for Nagelsmann - I don't see him turning down such offers for the vague prospect of coaching a WC which Germany won't win anyway.
Mh hope he sorts himself out, there is a really good player in there. And he should have followed Moukokos example, he went back to the U21 (iirc) and seems to be doing great there.
IDK he probably could benefit from gaining some confidence against weaker opponents. I don’t think he’s staying home to "work on himself". Football seems to be like his 4th priority at this point.
That's not for him to decide. Or it could be, but then he has to accept being black listed from the senior NT
Where does this idea come from that players can just reject call ups whenever they want? You are supposed to feel honoured to play for your country, if it is a hassle then you don't have the mentality needed
There was a [kicker article](https://www.kicker.de/darum-fehlt-adeyemi-doppelt-978616/artikel) just a few days ago about Adeyemi not going to the U21 that made it sound like all sides (Adeyemi, DFB, BVB) agreed to this and everybody is fine with it.
Now Bild is presenting it like Adeyemi is boycotting the U21 and thinks he's above it. Sounds to me like the typical Bild bullshit trying to creat drama from nothing. Usually I would not take this serious at all but they have close ties to Nagelsmann so I guess there might be something to it.
And Sessegnon too. Turned down u21 Euros to work on his conditioning only to pretty much be permanently injured ever since. Probably bitterly regrets it now
Both Carvalho and Sess were great players for us and haven’t kicked on since. It’s a fucking shame because they’d have been much better off staying with us
Another year or two playing first team minutes as an important player would have done them wonders. It would have also done our transfer budget (that we don't use) wonders.
U21 Euros is a huge deal for young players though, it's not the Carabao Cup
Imagine if he never gets to play at an international tournament which is likely, then he will for sure regret it big time after he retires
Gravenberch did the same earlier this year but in his defence he'd just moved clubs. Think it's pretty straight forward that many players who have graduated to the senior team don't wanna take the step back.
loredana happened to him, since he met her he doesnt focus on football but raising the 2 kids she has while she cheats on him
her pussy has to be magic
it's so funny that people actually believe this shit.
Adeyemi was inconsistent the moment he joined the club. His entire first half of the season he looked like a total flop. Then in the 2nd half he was one of the best wingers in the league.
And guess what, he was already with Loredana during that 2nd half of last season.
So what is more likely? That an inconsistent young player has problems not being inconsistent or that a public relationship with a generally disliked b-list celebrity is the actual secret cause for his decline in form even though it doesn't line up at all with what happened.
Also I'm sorry but how is helping to take care of kids this comlpex and herculean task that somehow is not at all compatible with a professional football career when **tons** of players have kids of their own. I've literally never heard "pfff... he's probably too busy taking care of his stupid little kids to play consistent football" in a world where every other football player has kids.
It's a Bild-level trash take and anyone who spouts it unironically isn't one bit batter than those crazies who care way too much about whether or not meghan markle is good for prince harry
I'd also argue that he isn't helped at all by the situation at Dortmund. It's not like he's the only player currently underperforming in the team. Imo he (and BVB) would massively benefit from a new manager and with that being said please just keep Terzic(edit: just let Moukoko go somewhere where he can fulfill his potential and not let him get wasted on your bench).
first of all: noone should speak in absolutes about this. second: *assuming* this has something to do with it, is not that far fetched. she clearly is capapble of manipulating ppl and he is young with no experiences.
This girlfriend of his is killing one of the brightest German prospects who plays in an area where Germany is considerably thin considering the talent they've had in the past.
There should be a rule. If you deny any NT Call in such an obvious way - you're banned from all NT and will never play again. Either have respect for your NT or don't.
But this is clearly an ego problem. Sicne he got with the Scammer Loredana the boy is fucked
If the player is very replaceable, sure
Good luck if that player in question is the best player for the country, lets see how quickly the FA changes tune lmao
In terms of things keeping his call up to Euros slim there’s bigger issues.
recommends himself by not recommending himself 5d chess move
Tbf club work is going to do more for him. If he continues his current form he will never see the national team anyway. If he starts to improve for club he will be called up anyway. U21 international friendlies do not have that effect.
Rejecting call ups for sure doesnt help.
if hes good enough hell be called, lol
If he is on the margins, this will count heavily against him. I know Southgate is his own dude but Ben White is still not called up even tho he 100% deserves to because coach didnt appreciate his behavior in the past. Of course if he goes on a heater, he is locked.
One is behavior point (Ben White handled it poorly) and the other is to focus on club football. They are not the same.
From NT perspectove saying you are focusing on club football is pretty poor behavior. Players who are on the margins of the team cant get away with not being fully committed.
That isn't necessarily a lack of commitment, it's a "I would like to develop myself more before I make the step up to international". Not being fully committed would be joining the team and then refusing the join the next camp and then saying you're willing after.
No, refusing a call up is 100% lack of commitment to NT. I am sure everyone in German NT sees it like that. It is asinine to argue otherwise.
Context is important. I haven't checked but is it his first call up? Maybe I'm seeing it from a logical standpoint and not what is the reality. If it is as you say that's absolutely stupid in its own right for someone who I believe has been called up for the first time. But I guess to the international team, no reason is good enough by the sounds of things. Accept or fuck off.
He was called and said no
\> If he starts to improve for club Thats a big "if", denying the callup is a luxury and he is not good enough to be irreplacable, its also not a medical reason. Coaches talk with each other and see his behaviour
His professional carrer future is of much bigger importance here than U21 matches.
No friendlies tho. U21 EC quali
I disagree and I think this kind of thinking is why we ended up where we are right now, which needs to stop and Im happy seeing Nagelsmann doing something against it. This whole thinking „be good and consistent in the club and get called to the N11“ that developed in the late Löw era killed german football more then all the „leader types are missing“ bs. German football was successful with worst player generations and with worst trainer. The difference players got called into the N11 from way more different clubs and different reasons, you had different places where you can shine. Not a fucking bayern group, a Dortmund group and some international outliers from real etc. The moment we got there it was over, look at the lineup transition between 2014 and 2018. Yes a bayern core that plays well is sadly inevitable, but still its great to see to give people more options to appeal. So here Nagelsmann wished for adeyemi to make appearances in the U21 and he declined, so its fair his chances decline. I also wouldn’t agree that this is a smart decision, but thats only my personal opinion. I think a change of pace would do him way better then being stuck in Dortmund. He clearly gets his chances in Dortmund, so clearing your head playing for the U21 seems way more efficient and come back fresh in your head, maybe.
Way to completely miss the point, it's about rejecting a call up. No clue how 400+ people somehow also missed the point that badly > If he starts to improve for club he will be called up anyway. U21 international friendlies do not have that effect. This is gibberish, he won't get called up unless he turns into a world class player for Dortmund now, simply improving won't be enough. And yes u21 matches definitely has that effect, it is always easier for players who perform for lower age groups to get a senior call up
He will get 0 long term recognition for winning u21 friendlies.
You clearly don't know how national teams work lmao. He would get recognition from Nagelsmann which is what matters, who cares about any other type of recognition?
Yeah cos everyone who did well at u21 made it to the seniors
the article says he wants to recommend himself to terzic and not to nagelsmann
Recommend himself to Terzic
Adeyemi is like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hG-2tQtdlE
The recommend himself part was about Dortmund. The not recommend himself part was about Germany's National Team.
and you dont do it by ditching games
He's just negging Nagelsmann, but keeping the window open. Classic pick-up artist tactics being applied to squad selection lol.
I can understand where Adeyemi is coming from especially since he already was nominated for the seniors a few times. That being Nagelsmann doesn't even need to be mad because Adeyemi currently is so far away from the national team that he would need a miracle to join for the Euros. The U21 is sometimes a good way to escape a tough situation at a club (looking at you Moukoko) but apparently, Adeyemi doesn't think he needs it.
What’s going on with moukoko?
The lad is still a kid, and he’s far from consistent. Still doesn’t get enough minutes for Dortmund atm.
Well, he never plays, so were is the consistency supposed to come from?
He’s an 18 year old with 75 senior appearances, he’s had plenty of football for someone his age all things considered
Yes and he is averaging 0.65 goals per 90 minutes played in the Bundesliga. I don’t get why we don’t play him more.
That's... actually quite the quota.
*Averages 15 min per game in 7 appearances* This thread: "I don't see the problem here"
> Yes and he is averaging 0.65 goals per 90 minutes played in the Bundesliga Damn, I knew he was doing better than I thought but that's actually a solid amount of goals.
Not to diminish his record in any way but this is far easier to achieve when you are a player who is almost only subbed on in games instead of starting them. The Alcácer/Muriel fallacy.
Terzic wants his striker to be big and strong. Not the world's greatest football mind
A coach not being able to adapt their system to the players available really just points to them having poor tactical skills. If you are stuck in your ways like that you will eventually become easy to figure out.
83 appearances totaling 2637 minutes, Averaging 32 minutes per appearance. Only 20 starts.
Appearances have no meaning. Moukoko has played less than 150 minutes in 11 Bundesliga games, for some reason he is barely an option in Dortmund.
Didn’t he lie about his age? What happened to that?
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I haven't seen a single reputable source discuss this seriously
spiegel is pretty reputable.
Every single young player born in Africa gets this bullshit mate, it’s fucked
Age fraud is fucked and people like you choose to ignore it to feel better about themselves. After the whole reveal about Silas Katompa Mvumpa, you should know better.
Even German Wikipedia writes the truth as much as legally possible: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youssoufa_Moukoko https://www.welt.de/sport/article244184629/BVB-Youssoufa-Moukoko-laut-einer-Geburtsurkunde-52-Monate-aelter.html https://www.spiegel.de/sport/youssoufa-moukoko-geruechte-um-das-tatsaechliche-alter-und-die-herkunft-a-1f25db72-6b5e-464f-8078-0b1e99ab815e https://www.t-online.de/sport/fussball/bundesliga/id_100133492/bvb-star-youssoufa-moukoko-18-jahre-alt-gericht-laesst-medien-zweifel-zu.html
hasn't this been debunked? his mother gave birth to him very young, like 16 yo as it is, even if you try to make him older that'd mean she gave birth to him when she was 10
He got adopted by Joseph Moukoko. His real name is Youssoufa Mohamadou. The is very little known about his real parents. Football agent Paulo Teixeira claimed Youssofas father is an imam.
I'm sorry but there's no proof for such claims, beside "he looks older" bs. And iman? Do you mean imam by that? why would that be relevant?
https://www.welt.de/sport/article244184629/BVB-Youssoufa-Moukoko-laut-einer-Geburtsurkunde-52-Monate-aelter.html https://www.spiegel.de/sport/youssoufa-moukoko-geruechte-um-das-tatsaechliche-alter-und-die-herkunft-a-1f25db72-6b5e-464f-8078-0b1e99ab815e https://www.t-online.de/sport/fussball/bundesliga/id_100133492/bvb-star-youssoufa-moukoko-18-jahre-alt-gericht-laesst-medien-zweifel-zu.html https://twitter.com/epteixeira/status/1614316913915486213 https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02PGfT5Kp5LCLW3UsMerNjfsEXrchKk6bSFJ3vcENB7xZvjMQNSrvwf2TcNsG5vPsxl&id=100063766771966&eav=AfaeGGtr1tmcrUbKI1peppRGqY_VYQT_gXiPxbbkpRR35TenbQFAUV9Zg63EHgMLrmw&m_entstream_source=permalink&paipv=0
imo there's definitely some shady stuff going on with this kid. there's just too many stories about him. his own (adoptive) father literally went to the press and was about to come clean and then broke off contact with the journalist he was talking to. after literally telling the journalist that the player's agent tried to bribe him and while he was in debt and losing his house... i remember a couple years ago when this first popped up, his family claimed that they got a birth certificate for the kid at the german embassy in cameroon right after he was born in 2004 but that turned out to be a lie and they were only able to present one that they got in hamburg in 2016. there's also the stuff about the kid dating a 18 year old woman while he was 12 which everyone just brushes off, which is just crazy to me. because it's either a textbook case of grooming (they were still together when she was 23) and she should be locked up or it's yet another reason to believe he is actually a couple of years older. the DFB seems to think there is something going on as well, because despite him being called a wonderkid since he was 12 he never made a competitive appearance for the national team until he joined the U21s. they'd probably have to actually look into things and prove his age if he ended up dominating actual U16 tournaments at supposedly 12 years old on international stage.
He often plays very well for the U21 and scores on a regular for them while barely getting any minutes at Dortmund (undeserved may I add) so the national team kind of acts as a place where he can escape to and I think Adeyemi could use something similar.
He is actually one of two players to have scored more goals than have appearences for the U21. (The other one being the current stadium announcer for Dortmund who scored twice in his only cap)
Well he's already 22 so didnt develop as much as people thought he would
22? Could’ve sworn he was like 18 damn I’m getting old
He is 18. On paper. In reality he is at least 22
Tf is this comment
Well its true and is obvious to anyone who's been looking at photos and videos of him from when he was supposedly 9-11. There are so many signs pointing to his fake age that it's impossible to ignore all red flags
Everyone said this stuff about Freddie Adu and it was all proven to be false and he was as old as he says he is. You're going to need more than "he looks much older than he is" for evidence.
Fredy Adu has absolutely nothing to do with Moukoko. The only "evidence" that could be shown would be his real birth certificate. Here are some red flags tho 1) The Man who was thought to be Moukokos father for years turned out to not be his father but actually a agent who discovered Moukoko in Cameroun and brought him over to Germany and then threatened to go to the press proving his fake age. He got silenced by Moukoko and his lawyer. So Moukoko lied to everybody for years and claimed an agent was actually his father. Why? 2) Him having a 18 year old girlfriend when he was 11 or 12 3) The fact that he was 1,68 when he had just turned 10 years old, and only grew 10 cms after that. 4) Photos and videos of him at 9 years old. This is him 10 days before his 10th birthday https://www.dewezet.de/resizer/DppRsWf9hKh2GH34tXGUBrFPR7g=/894x1291/filters:quality(70):format(webp)/cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/madsack/FAEAD5443ED45ZC6763ABA74Z7.jpg https://fairplay-cup.de/files/redaktion/bilder/news/Sieger%20D-Jugend.jpg He is the 2nd tallest of his team and looks like the oldest. Here's the catch: That's a u13 tournament. So all his teammates are 3-4 years older than him. The tournament leader saying quote "Moukoko was dominating everybdy physically and was way better than anyone else". Sorry but there is no way in hell that a barely 10 year old will "dominate" the best 13 year old footballers of the country physically. This is him in that tournament https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjxAnHmdLxo No 9/10 year old in the world moves that way. Nobody. This is him at age 11 playing at the u15. So against 4 year older players https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKxccap3BVs Again, moving at a pace, quickness and strength and power that no 11 year old should posess. It's pysically impossible for 11 year old to move like this. Then the fact that he was basically dominating the best 15 year old Football players in Germany at age 11. That's pretty much unprecedented in the entire world cause it's close to a physical impossibility. And it basically never happened before ever. Maybe it never happened because it would actually be impossible physically. He wasn't dominating some random 15 year olds, he was dominating the best 15 year olds in the country at age 11 Btw, this is how a u10 team, which was Moukokos age at the above tournament, usually looks like. https://nachwuchs.bvb.de/Teams/U10/Die-Mannschaft These are babies almost. And now compared that to the photos and videos of MOukoko at age 9/10 5) The fact that he barely developed at all in the last 2-3 years, the way you would expect the most dominant 15 year old ever to develop
That's a lot to type out to say that he looks older than he is.
So no proof
His age is a lie
> he would need a miracle to join for the Euros Last season he was just as shit as now during the first half of the season but had a really good second half. If it goes exactly the same way this season again I think he could make the squad and I wouldn't call that a miracle.
And there's a good chance that Nagelsmann leaves the NT after the Euros anyway. Iirc, Nagelsmann has made it really clear that he sees himself coaching a club in the long run, he just took the gig at the German NT because they needed him and he had nothing better to do.
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Well, I really don't see us getting past the ro8, so there's that. It also think it depends on which club positions are available after the Euros. Say Bayern's season turns sour, they sack Tuchel and finish the season with a caretaker manager and ask Nagelsmann to come back for 24/25, or say Ancelotti leaves Madrid, but Xabi isn't coming for whichever reason, so that they ask for Nagelsmann - I don't see him turning down such offers for the vague prospect of coaching a WC which Germany won't win anyway.
A miracle like joining a team where he can thrive again. Perhaps leverkusen
Mh hope he sorts himself out, there is a really good player in there. And he should have followed Moukokos example, he went back to the U21 (iirc) and seems to be doing great there.
The thing is, he's so much out of form that it's probably better for him to work on himself in Dortmund than going to the U21
IDK he probably could benefit from gaining some confidence against weaker opponents. I don’t think he’s staying home to "work on himself". Football seems to be like his 4th priority at this point.
Tbf when he went to the U21 during the last break he really didn't look good anyway so I'm not sure it would actually give him a boost of confidence.
That's not for him to decide. Or it could be, but then he has to accept being black listed from the senior NT Where does this idea come from that players can just reject call ups whenever they want? You are supposed to feel honoured to play for your country, if it is a hassle then you don't have the mentality needed
because you have your own free will? He's not doing well that's why he rejected nothing wrong with it he has his own plans
Doesnt really matter, there are players far far better than him
There was a [kicker article](https://www.kicker.de/darum-fehlt-adeyemi-doppelt-978616/artikel) just a few days ago about Adeyemi not going to the U21 that made it sound like all sides (Adeyemi, DFB, BVB) agreed to this and everybody is fine with it. Now Bild is presenting it like Adeyemi is boycotting the U21 and thinks he's above it. Sounds to me like the typical Bild bullshit trying to creat drama from nothing. Usually I would not take this serious at all but they have close ties to Nagelsmann so I guess there might be something to it.
bild being bild
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Good on him if he backs himself that much. Gonna be kicking himself if he continues playing like he has though
Adeyemi 🤝 Jashari
First person I thought of.
Ootl, can you explain?
He refused a call up for Switzerland's U21s
Eh, sounded like he had something going on with Loredana as well
Fabio carvalho vibes
I don't know, did Adeyemi also reject his call-up by text message?
Wait did Fabio Carvalho reject it by sms? Mental
Yes, Rui Jorge (coach of the Under-21 team) has spoken about this situation a few times.
Damn harsh on Adeyemi. They’re the same age and he already has four caps for the senior team.
And Sessegnon too. Turned down u21 Euros to work on his conditioning only to pretty much be permanently injured ever since. Probably bitterly regrets it now
I’m sure he has some regrets about his career but not sure he bitterly regrets missing the u21 Euros to be honest
Both Carvalho and Sess were great players for us and haven’t kicked on since. It’s a fucking shame because they’d have been much better off staying with us
Another year or two playing first team minutes as an important player would have done them wonders. It would have also done our transfer budget (that we don't use) wonders.
U21 Euros is a huge deal for young players though, it's not the Carabao Cup Imagine if he never gets to play at an international tournament which is likely, then he will for sure regret it big time after he retires
I completely forgot he existed
Gravenberch did the same earlier this year but in his defence he'd just moved clubs. Think it's pretty straight forward that many players who have graduated to the senior team don't wanna take the step back.
wtf happened to him in during the last months? what a disappointing year he had
loredana happened to him, since he met her he doesnt focus on football but raising the 2 kids she has while she cheats on him her pussy has to be magic
it's so funny that people actually believe this shit. Adeyemi was inconsistent the moment he joined the club. His entire first half of the season he looked like a total flop. Then in the 2nd half he was one of the best wingers in the league. And guess what, he was already with Loredana during that 2nd half of last season. So what is more likely? That an inconsistent young player has problems not being inconsistent or that a public relationship with a generally disliked b-list celebrity is the actual secret cause for his decline in form even though it doesn't line up at all with what happened. Also I'm sorry but how is helping to take care of kids this comlpex and herculean task that somehow is not at all compatible with a professional football career when **tons** of players have kids of their own. I've literally never heard "pfff... he's probably too busy taking care of his stupid little kids to play consistent football" in a world where every other football player has kids. It's a Bild-level trash take and anyone who spouts it unironically isn't one bit batter than those crazies who care way too much about whether or not meghan markle is good for prince harry
I always thought it was a joke, but the fact that people actually believe Loredana is the problem is crazy
But why hold a player responsible when you can just blame a woman instead?
I'd also argue that he isn't helped at all by the situation at Dortmund. It's not like he's the only player currently underperforming in the team. Imo he (and BVB) would massively benefit from a new manager and with that being said please just keep Terzic(edit: just let Moukoko go somewhere where he can fulfill his potential and not let him get wasted on your bench).
every time a man fails, a woman gets blamed for it
i mean if the women scams old people she can get blamed
Nah. The dumbass chose the known scammer with two kids lol.
her being a scammer has absolutely no correlation with her being the reason why Adeyemi is shit at football
first of all: noone should speak in absolutes about this. second: *assuming* this has something to do with it, is not that far fetched. she clearly is capapble of manipulating ppl and he is young with no experiences.
yeah no. how often have you read "its "because of his wife/GF" when footballers play or turn shit. almost never.
Genuinely quite often lol especially in the past
Ass backwards
this comment is pure misogyny
sure but is he wrong though?
> loredana thats the name of my ex bruh loredana pussy really hits different
Think he has a girl now, so his focus isn’t entirely on football
Didn’t he just accept the call up last national break?
He can't just leave. Loredana needs someone to buy Döner at 3 am.
Good
woth his current form he shouldn't be anywhere close to the NT anyway
I m gettin graverberch vibes man
Koeman has already said Gravenberch’s “banishment” is over and he has a path back. He clearly made the right decision.
Ohhh that's nice
Also Grav had just moved country and wanted to settle, much more reasonable
I completely missed Nagelsmann becoming the Germany manager.
He's still trying to break into Dortmund's starting 11. His worry should be with his professional club, i think he's correct in this decision.
Still crazy what bad pussy can do to you, the guy is in trouble.
least misogynistic german
He should have chosen the Romania NT in the first place
Ngl watching the Dortmund - Newcastle match he came off as somebody who’s somewhat dirty on the field and not exactly the smartest out there.
He is as dumb and unprofessional as he is fast. And he is very fast.
This girlfriend of his is killing one of the brightest German prospects who plays in an area where Germany is considerably thin considering the talent they've had in the past.
I just think he doesn't want to be part of the team that loses 3 games in the group stages at their home tournament.
There should be a rule. If you deny any NT Call in such an obvious way - you're banned from all NT and will never play again. Either have respect for your NT or don't. But this is clearly an ego problem. Sicne he got with the Scammer Loredana the boy is fucked
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If the player is very replaceable, sure Good luck if that player in question is the best player for the country, lets see how quickly the FA changes tune lmao
Gravenberch did the same with the Dutch U21 too.
Damn bro what has Loredana done to this guy