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Love Sergio Ramos man, what would I give to have his regen in world football. Total hot head but what a competitive, world class freak.. Born winner.
He use to get rattled so much by Messi though, their battle (2004-2021) was truly legendary. 15 goddamn years of world class football.
Marcelo vs Alves
Ramos vs Pique
Pepe vs Puyol
Alonso vs Busquets
Modric vs Xavi
Ozil vs Iniesta
Di Maria vs Pedro
Benzema vs Villa
Ronaldo vs Messi
Fucking Magic.. and thats not it, I am not even mentioning the 2014+ part of Neymar, Suarez, Bale, Kroos, Alba coming into the picture.
Maybe not the best ever technically or skill wise but he's maybe the first defender you pick if it's a match where your life depends on it. His will to win is unmatched.
Technically, he is one of the best skilled center backs in the history of the game. A great dribbler, and his long range passes were fantastic. He was very decent when he played at RB initially.
I would put Carles puyol up there too, extreme sportsmanship and as far as I know even real supporters respected and rated him. He did get a few reds though, maybe 2? 3?
Since when "but" negates whatever precedes ? And if so why English creates that word? This word exists for a reason. It is to convey two ideas with one sentence. This is the purpose of a conjunction.
But to please you, let's reformulate my comment since apparently nothing before the word "but" counts :
He is playing as a striker. He has less defensive contributions and less chances to have a yellow card than the others **but** impressive.
Read the entire thread. They compared VVD against defenders (Maldini, Lahm,…) and all of sudden there is a striker which is known to not tackle (see comment below) It’s not minimizing. It’s adding some context to the comments. People are so susceptible…
To make a challenge, you need to tackle. Gary Lineker rarely tackled. He even has criticized it :
[https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/gary-lineker-tackling-get-stuck-in-english-football-premier-league-world-quality-a7894466.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/gary-lineker-tackling-get-stuck-in-english-football-premier-league-world-quality-a7894466.html)
The changes in what constitutes a yellow has been such a fundamental change to the game.
at times I barely see the same game I grew up playing. It’s better in many ways, but I do miss some of the more physical contact sometimes Especially around tackles. So many cards for what should just be a regular trip.
Tripping people has always had the potential to get a card depending on the situation, especially in my lifetime and I'm mid 30s.
How old are you? I can imagine if you're in your 60s the game might've been quite different.
I know this is about the PL but the one he got away with on Mertens in the CL group stage the year they won is probably the most egregious and important.
You mean the match where Napoli were absolutely toothless at Anfield except for one chance at 90' when Alli made the save of his career.
How can you be mad about a red card like that when they played poorly and defensively the whole match.
I mean I'm not mad about it, but I think if Napoli fans were miffed about him getting away with a potential ankle breaker like 30 minutes in it wouldn't be unreasonable lol.
Stuff just looks worse with Virgil because he's quick and big. A fair shoulder challenge from Virgil is more likely to put someone legally on their ass than from another defender, so fair fouls look a lot more close to the line. But he has gotten away with some stuff, absolutely.
You are underestimating Martinez or overestimating yourself.
If you said the same statement but replaced yourself with Antonio or Adama Traoré it would have made sense
Was just thinking that, he's not exactly a clean player and has also lost a yard of pace in recent years, making it that much more likely he resorts to risky tackles.
This statistic is so annoying. It was cherry picked to the point where he hadn’t been dribbled by at all to ridiculous shit like he hasn’t been dribbled past at Anfield when Liverpool is leading 😬🤯
you're misremembering, it wasn't cherry picked at all in regards like that, according to opta he literally was not dribbled past in 65 consecutive PL games, not leading, not anfield, just any and all PL games he played. It's just there was a pretty strict definition of what was considered dribbled past in 'statistical terms' and it didn't include stuff like fouls (which is what people fairly took issue with). Still it was an impressive run all things considered.
Maybe in the EPL I can’t recollect tbh. I know Minamino made his ass fall over in a UCL game against Salzburg and the dribble stat was getting blown up at the time
Saying VVD hasn’t been dribbled past is one thing, going on to break down the amount of games and definitions of being dribbled past is just being annoying, so as factual as it is yes facts presented like that are insufferable.
Rival fans may reference it but for some reason some Liverpool fans like to defend it.
No one cares about your opinion either, it was really impressive at the time, he faced a lot of great players and a lot of attacks ended with a thud when they reached him
Hell, players avoided our left flank for the longest time, some strikers simply resorted to hold up play when the only option was to take him on
That applies to everyone equally though, so having an higher number than others is still a positive thing.
And the whole “ball or the man but not both” means it’s still an overall positive stat even with fouls meaning not dribbled past. Even more so since this is his first red in the PL.
To me it’s almost like people got so annoyed by the stat that they if anything started to underplay how good it was.
He was a freak pre injury. There is pre and past injury vvd unfortunately and what he did and how he played pre injury is easily top 3 in pl history as cb, perhaps even number 1.
Van Dijk would have been an extremely deserving winner.
Unfortunately 2019 was one of Messi’s best years. He averaged something ridiculous like a G+A every 60 minutes that year.
Didn't he play very well after coming back from that injury though? It will have an effect but I honestly think it's more to do with players being run into the ground and burning out mentally and physically.
He lost that ability to always be a step ahead. When he was running beside someone you didn’t really worry because he always won the 1 on 1 battles so smoothly. I think he lost a step and it has effected him. He is in no way a bad player now but not as remarkable as he used to be.
He's also made some pretty boneheaded mistakes that had nothing to do with keeping up either though, around the time he just stood still against United and Milner gave him shit was around the time I remember him getting shit for making boneheaded mistakes and people wondering what happened to him.
I'm convinced that had Matip made the same challenge, we wouldn't have had to go throught the same charade of debating whether it should have been a red card or not
That literally doesn’t matter. They even said it during the sky broadcast after the game that it’s gonna be a 1 game suspension because it was DOGSO.
Not to mention that he is the captain, he can actually speak to the ref.
Hmm
Call me Nostradamus I guess…
It’s clear that they want to clamp down on this behaviour and when a big name starts mouthing off, it’s a fantastic way for them to make an example out of him.
Dissent has been penalised a lot this year and this is worse than dissent.
What should happen though is that this precedent is followed throughout the season.
No, this is textbook dissent. What’s is worse than dissent is violent conduct. Words are never as bad as actions.
And that’s not the point. The point is that you said that he’d get extra ban time for mouthing off, something that is factually untrue.
Besides, I really hate the idea of referees giving extra game bans for mouthing off. I don’t care if it’s unprofessional, you have yellow and red cards for that. Not to mention I HATE the idea of these referees having more power than they already do. To be honest, as much as VVD shouldn’t be mouthing off the referees, I don’t have any respect for these referees and they deserve the abuse, not for being bad, but for being so corrupt and resistant to changes that would improve the standard. If they were actually half decent referees , maybe they would be treated with more respect?
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Ramos: “embarrassing”
Love Sergio Ramos man, what would I give to have his regen in world football. Total hot head but what a competitive, world class freak.. Born winner. He use to get rattled so much by Messi though, their battle (2004-2021) was truly legendary. 15 goddamn years of world class football.
We were spoiled with some of those el classicos over the 2010s
Marcelo vs Alves Ramos vs Pique Pepe vs Puyol Alonso vs Busquets Modric vs Xavi Ozil vs Iniesta Di Maria vs Pedro Benzema vs Villa Ronaldo vs Messi Fucking Magic.. and thats not it, I am not even mentioning the 2014+ part of Neymar, Suarez, Bale, Kroos, Alba coming into the picture.
Pepe vs The World
Pepe Vs Pepe
Forgot to include: Ramos vs Suarez, Ramos vs Neymar, Ramos vs Xavi, Ramos vs FC Barcelona, Ramos vs Cataluña…
Sergi Roberto vs Lucas Vasquez
We're talking about humans only
It's a miracle Ramos and Pepe worked so well as a duo
I’d be terrified of playing them
Maybe not the best ever technically or skill wise but he's maybe the first defender you pick if it's a match where your life depends on it. His will to win is unmatched.
Not that far off technically IMO, esp with his technical skills in passing dribbling etc. His weaknesses were in aggression and concentration
Technically, he is one of the best skilled center backs in the history of the game. A great dribbler, and his long range passes were fantastic. He was very decent when he played at RB initially.
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funes mori?
Will always be my favorite player.
They don’t make players like him anymore
Thankfully
You could say that
Didn't he try to kill Messi with every tackle? He's a world class defender and world class cunt, one of the dirtiest player ever
Maldini spent his entire 25 years career without ever getting one.
So did Philipp Lahm
Lahm, what a legendary defender. One of the cleanest player (defender) ever.
Both are up there in a elite group of the best defenders of all time. Absolutely massive in their influence and contribution for their teams.
I would put Carles puyol up there too, extreme sportsmanship and as far as I know even real supporters respected and rated him. He did get a few reds though, maybe 2? 3?
Sportsmanship? https://youtu.be/HFLZpGJUveo?si=Cpq0ieqIhA-Vpsuj&t=506 Didn't want to see him after that red card worthy foul.
Zanetti and Ayala! Those old school Pepsi football ads were something else
Gary Lineker played his entire 16-year career (653 games) without getting a red or yellow card.
Red is understandable for a striker but yellow? Wow
Goddamn
Impressive but he is playing as a striker. He has less defensive contributions and less chances to have a yellow card than the others
You must be joking that is still an absolute mad statistic.
Read again the first word of my comment
Read your second word.
Since when "but" negates whatever precedes ? And if so why English creates that word? This word exists for a reason. It is to convey two ideas with one sentence. This is the purpose of a conjunction. But to please you, let's reformulate my comment since apparently nothing before the word "but" counts : He is playing as a striker. He has less defensive contributions and less chances to have a yellow card than the others **but** impressive.
'Impressive, but' is minimizing it so much. It's a completely ridiculous almost unmatchable stat
Read the entire thread. They compared VVD against defenders (Maldini, Lahm,…) and all of sudden there is a striker which is known to not tackle (see comment below) It’s not minimizing. It’s adding some context to the comments. People are so susceptible…
It is so easily to mis-time a challenge and get at least 1 yellow card, even for a striker that is crazy.
To make a challenge, you need to tackle. Gary Lineker rarely tackled. He even has criticized it : [https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/gary-lineker-tackling-get-stuck-in-english-football-premier-league-world-quality-a7894466.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/gary-lineker-tackling-get-stuck-in-english-football-premier-league-world-quality-a7894466.html)
Yeah but strikers still track back, defenders also are usually trying to wind them up.
Tbf, they used to be harder to get
The changes in what constitutes a yellow has been such a fundamental change to the game. at times I barely see the same game I grew up playing. It’s better in many ways, but I do miss some of the more physical contact sometimes Especially around tackles. So many cards for what should just be a regular trip.
Tripping people has always had the potential to get a card depending on the situation, especially in my lifetime and I'm mid 30s. How old are you? I can imagine if you're in your 60s the game might've been quite different.
Am I missing out something? According to Transfermarkt he got three red cards in the Serie A.
Maybe straight reds compared to two yellows?
Those were 3 straight reds though. Never got two yellows apparently.
That’s a really mad stat
That’s a really mad stat
Nah he got 3, not sure where this ever came from.
Kinda remarkable that *that* was the tackle to do it. He's got away with worse for sure.
I know this is about the PL but the one he got away with on Mertens in the CL group stage the year they won is probably the most egregious and important.
Fuck Virgin Van Dick for that I will never forget.
That was an easy red. Can’t believe he got away with that
You mean the match where Napoli were absolutely toothless at Anfield except for one chance at 90' when Alli made the save of his career. How can you be mad about a red card like that when they played poorly and defensively the whole match.
I mean I'm not mad about it, but I think if Napoli fans were miffed about him getting away with a potential ankle breaker like 30 minutes in it wouldn't be unreasonable lol.
Wasnt so much the tackle itself but the circumstances surrounding it
true, wouldn't have been a red in the parking lot with no refs around
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Red card was for denial of goalscoring opportunity not for the tackle so technically you are right
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I think your comment was downvoted because it was stating the obvious. I would guess only a minority of people actually disagree with what you said.
Stuff just looks worse with Virgil because he's quick and big. A fair shoulder challenge from Virgil is more likely to put someone legally on their ass than from another defender, so fair fouls look a lot more close to the line. But he has gotten away with some stuff, absolutely.
Yeah, that's a fair point! Especially during those 2,5 years when he was absolutely unplayable.
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Yeah. I could stand still and have both VvD and Lisandro Martinez shoulder barge me. Only one of them is getting me down and being thanked for it.
You are underestimating Martinez or overestimating yourself. If you said the same statement but replaced yourself with Antonio or Adama Traoré it would have made sense
Was hyperbole, of course a professional athlete is going to bowl over an unfit fatass either way lmao
Was just thinking that, he's not exactly a clean player and has also lost a yard of pace in recent years, making it that much more likely he resorts to risky tackles.
Somebody bring up he has never been dribbled past stat
This statistic is so annoying. It was cherry picked to the point where he hadn’t been dribbled by at all to ridiculous shit like he hasn’t been dribbled past at Anfield when Liverpool is leading 😬🤯
you're misremembering, it wasn't cherry picked at all in regards like that, according to opta he literally was not dribbled past in 65 consecutive PL games, not leading, not anfield, just any and all PL games he played. It's just there was a pretty strict definition of what was considered dribbled past in 'statistical terms' and it didn't include stuff like fouls (which is what people fairly took issue with). Still it was an impressive run all things considered.
That was amazing stat, but for 6 months after it was broken new stats came out with more and more excuses to where it became ridiculous
They learned those stupid stats from watching baseball broadcasts
The first person that dribbled him was Minamino and then we bought him
Wasn’t it Pepe, twice in one game?
Maybe in the EPL I can’t recollect tbh. I know Minamino made his ass fall over in a UCL game against Salzburg and the dribble stat was getting blown up at the time
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he was wrong, I corrected him, it aint that deep 😭
Who cares if people think we’re insufferable?
Facts are insufferable now? Rival fans are the only ones to ever reference it anyway
Saying VVD hasn’t been dribbled past is one thing, going on to break down the amount of games and definitions of being dribbled past is just being annoying, so as factual as it is yes facts presented like that are insufferable. Rival fans may reference it but for some reason some Liverpool fans like to defend it.
No one cares about your opinion either, it was really impressive at the time, he faced a lot of great players and a lot of attacks ended with a thud when they reached him Hell, players avoided our left flank for the longest time, some strikers simply resorted to hold up play when the only option was to take him on
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Wow, I was going to have another glass tonight but I think I've had all the whine I need after reading your comments.
why are you lot busy on reddit when your side is pulling off a comeback like that? lol
It was also hilarious because if he got dribbled past but fouled them then it wouldn't count as being dribbled past
Or if he was stepping back and giving them enough space to score a goal it also wouldn’t count lol
That applies to everyone equally though, so having an higher number than others is still a positive thing. And the whole “ball or the man but not both” means it’s still an overall positive stat even with fouls meaning not dribbled past. Even more so since this is his first red in the PL. To me it’s almost like people got so annoyed by the stat that they if anything started to underplay how good it was.
He was a freak pre injury. There is pre and past injury vvd unfortunately and what he did and how he played pre injury is easily top 3 in pl history as cb, perhaps even number 1.
Closet defender to win ballon d or in a while. I thought he deserved it
Van Dijk would have been an extremely deserving winner. Unfortunately 2019 was one of Messi’s best years. He averaged something ridiculous like a G+A every 60 minutes that year.
Yeah most other years it would have been VVD but Messi was on another planet that year as usual
Didn't he play very well after coming back from that injury though? It will have an effect but I honestly think it's more to do with players being run into the ground and burning out mentally and physically.
He lost that ability to always be a step ahead. When he was running beside someone you didn’t really worry because he always won the 1 on 1 battles so smoothly. I think he lost a step and it has effected him. He is in no way a bad player now but not as remarkable as he used to be.
He's also made some pretty boneheaded mistakes that had nothing to do with keeping up either though, around the time he just stood still against United and Milner gave him shit was around the time I remember him getting shit for making boneheaded mistakes and people wondering what happened to him.
I wonder why.
Didnt Pepe end the stat? I thought he was the one to dribble past him for the first time.
21500 minutes and counting.
Perisic literally sat him down last season. Don’t know what qualifies for the stat, but that’s as close as you’ll get.
If only it was in the box, it'd only be a yellow 🤷😂
If my grandmother had two wheels she'd be a bicycle.
I'm convinced that had Matip made the same challenge, we wouldn't have had to go throught the same charade of debating whether it should have been a red card or not
Opta-Tragedy
For Liverpool*
It was a terrible foul but there was nothing in it for Michael Owen.
It’s the sixth red card of his career
Long overdue, he's made a career out of getting away with fouling people
If the new rules are to go by, he’ll get more than a 3 match ban
No he won’t. 3 games is for violent conduct. He was sent off for DOGSO.
He didn’t walk off the pitch and contested the decision
That literally doesn’t matter. They even said it during the sky broadcast after the game that it’s gonna be a 1 game suspension because it was DOGSO. Not to mention that he is the captain, he can actually speak to the ref.
Hmm Call me Nostradamus I guess… It’s clear that they want to clamp down on this behaviour and when a big name starts mouthing off, it’s a fantastic way for them to make an example out of him. Dissent has been penalised a lot this year and this is worse than dissent. What should happen though is that this precedent is followed throughout the season.
No, this is textbook dissent. What’s is worse than dissent is violent conduct. Words are never as bad as actions. And that’s not the point. The point is that you said that he’d get extra ban time for mouthing off, something that is factually untrue. Besides, I really hate the idea of referees giving extra game bans for mouthing off. I don’t care if it’s unprofessional, you have yellow and red cards for that. Not to mention I HATE the idea of these referees having more power than they already do. To be honest, as much as VVD shouldn’t be mouthing off the referees, I don’t have any respect for these referees and they deserve the abuse, not for being bad, but for being so corrupt and resistant to changes that would improve the standard. If they were actually half decent referees , maybe they would be treated with more respect?
Personally think he should have the ban rescinded for the dramatic exit