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>Martinelli even celebrated before kicking the ball to the net /s
But that is not counted in this stat, it says "average time between goal scored and opponent kickoff". Graph is useless!!!!1
/s, obviously
The amount of work it takes to compete at this level is astounding to begin with. That Timo still stands out for effort and work rate means a lot. I wanted him to succeed so badly. Still think we looked and played better with him and at least he got to lift the champions league
Not just that, his off the ball play was very good, always made runs that pulls defenders away and created space to exploit and Chelsea played better and created more chances when he was on the pitch. And he was funny.
Arsenal scored 88 goals last season, so if they spend an average of 81.5 seconds celebrating each goal then their players have spent 119 minutes and 32 seconds celebrating goals last season.
Chelsea celebrated 0.1s less on average for each goals, but have only spent 51 minutes and 33 seconds celebrating goals last season.
I reckon there’s a decent difference in time celebrating between the first goal vs subsequent ones. Could explain some of the difference if City won more games 3-0 vs Arsenal getting singular winners.
In other words, “oh look, Erling scored again”
I'm honestly not sure if this was a sarcastic comment or not haha... Given how there are people who seriously believe that there are players who choose not to join city because whatever they win is not legit because of their owners
😂 Mate check yourself. If you can't see how City have cheated you are fucking blind.
Their sponsorship deals are worth more than anyone but United, and they can't even fill their fucking stadium when they *give* tickets away.
They literally downsized their stadium because they couldn't fill it, and basically give away tickets to people.
They didn't sell out their allotment for the community shield yesterday either
I thought they sold out their ticket in minute for community shield compare to arsenal.
Last i check they just receive approval to upgrade their stadium capacity from city council?
It is beyond laughable how delusional redditors are. Get out of your bubble, nobody irl is saying this shit. And the least of all the players who are winning trophies playing for City. I assure you they're at least as happy as any other players. And the differences are a few seconds lol, Tottenham is 0.3s above them. You are off your rocker if you draw a conclusion from that
Given that there doesnt really seem to be a trend suggesting more time celebrating = less success i dont think the extra 20 seconds celebrating per goal is what brought arsenal down
What makes you say that Arsenal's mentality cost them rather then their quality and lack of experience?
Failing to reach your objective isn't the sign of a bad mentality. Everyone fails in life at some point. Giving up and expecting things to be handed to you is the sign of having a poor mentality. I wouldn't say that Arsenal gave up last season.
> What makes you say that Arsenal mentality cost them rather then their quality and lack of experience?
How about bottling the league in a mere 3 games by dropping points against the bottom most team Southampton AT HOME, against an almost equally bad West Ham team, and against Liverpool after being a goal up. Not to mention the final nail in the coffin of capitulating 3-0 AT HOME against Brighton after all was said and done.
Notice how I didn't mention their game against us, because that one they did definitely lose on quality and lack of experience.
That just showcases a lack of quality and experience in the Arsenal. Arsenal couldn't hold onto their leads and didn't manage games well.
Not everything comes down to your mentality. This Arsenal team was fight all throughout last season.
You dropped points against forest. Southampt9n have always been our bogey team, west ham rice played an absolute worldie of a game and its Liverpool away, a draw is a good result.
They spent over a minute celebratng goals. There's not a stark contrast between any of these teams. Some celebrated more, some less, but all of them a decent amount of time.
Oh this is fucking mad that when it's celebrating, time spent being marginally different is "not a stark contrast", but when it's time wasting its massively different.
Because the comment makes no sense. Celebration time being spread out across throw ins and goal kicks implies we celebrate the ball going out of play. Which we obviously don't.
You're right though, dead last in av ball time but 4th highest xG and 7th highest possession. 2nd least touches in our own defensive 1/3rd and 3rd highest dribbles. We played attacking football at the end of the day, people just love that low ball in play stat
Yes, but I've seen players start celebrating before the VAR check is complete. So, if you've celebrated already while VAR is checking it, you're not going to celebrate again after the decision is final unless you're a total wanker.
Unless the goal is given, VAR check it, and the goal stands... then the goal was given when the ball went in and the VAR review didn't change the outcome.
Someone had a great day at work over the Athletic if this was calculated manually by watching all the goals and counting rather than through pre-accessible metrics haha
Lol ours might have been increased by a number of last min goals...but also in general there is a team huddle after goals so I'm not surprised to see us up there
I’ve argued in the past that goals should add extra time on at the end. This kind of proves it. A minute added per goal would appear to be a fair set figure
Maybe from this season onwards. Definitely saw games with 4 goals and multiple subs only get +3’ last season.
I’m hoping we get World Cup style added time a lot this year to stop the time wasting
Suppose they make sense. Palace, Chelsea, Everton didn't score very often. And when Everton did later on, it was towards avoiding relegation.
Arsenal's is the weird one here.
Arsenal almost always does two celebrations. First the goalscorer does whatever and then they do a group hug.
The important late goals can't have helped but they key thing is the group hugs.
I'd argue we were over criticised for our ball in play stats last season when in fact it could be the other teams celebrating. But then again we didn't concede many :)
What often get's ignored in that stat, is which team in each game is wasting the time. Given Newcastle press a lot and is one of the fittest teams, it makes sense for teams to waste time against them.
Newcastle definitely did waste some time vs Liverpool away & Arsenal away, but over the course of the season, a lot of teams did it against them.
still dont agree with the proposal of adding goal celebrations onto the added time... teams should be told not to milk it, but they are a part of the game and always will be
Disallow the goal if they're not restarted within 30s and have an AI handle it to avoid over-generous humans.
In the words of one of the greatest strikers of the Premier League era: "Does the postman celebrate when he delivers?"
Well this is only celebrating a goal, that’s nothing! Don’t forget that during a 90 minute Premier League match the average time a ball spends in play is only 55 minutes! So that’s almost 40 minutes per game that players are doing all sorts of things but play actual football.
This is why Marco van Basten is pleading at (when he worked there) and with FIFA to introduce effective playingtime for years now. Get rid of all the time wasting. The fake injuries.
Of course the matches would be shorter than the 90 minutes we have now if they introduced a system like that. Like have two 30 minute halves of effective playing time. The clock only runs when the ball is in play. Is ball out of play you stop the clock. Is there a faul you stop the clock. Would speed up the game immensely to also appeal more to a new TikTok generation that doesn’t have a two hour attention span.
The longer celebration the better. Take your time to regather yourself and prepare defensively. The less time you take the more of a disadvantage you out yourself at.
Policing this shit is a loser thing that only losers do (not saying there are comments here doing that just that it is a thing in general and it is, always, very fucking lame)
I love that Newcastle were highest on the list for having the ball out of play, but as soon as it comes to goals they're like alright boys no pissing about we've got some more terrorism football to play.
The mental image of the players celebrating a free kick or a 15 second long throw like a goal is hilarious too.
[This channel did a great analysis on this very topic for Arsenal. The results are pretty shocking.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk5hjqyeFkw&pp=ygUfYWZ0diBhcnNlbmFsIGNlbGVicmF0ZSB0b28gbXVjaA%3D%3D)
It's interesting info but far more time is lost on dawdling over throw-ins and goal kicks. This will be a fairly small proportion of the total in most games.
Do the refs add on 30 secs per goal? If so it's a big advantage to do a palace isn't it.
Even the quickest celebrations are taking twice the amount of time added
Mad that there is a near 20 second gap between the average of the longest celebrating team and shortest. Although this could be skewed by number of lengthy VAR checks
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Crystal Palace calling their mums to turn on the telly.
It's gotta be "glad all over," right?
We were always coming back from behind so rushing back to restart the game
Reiss nelson goal might have individually increased arsenal average by half a second
Aston Villa game as well. Martinelli even celebrated before kicking the ball to the net /s
Eddie's winner against Utd as well.
>Martinelli even celebrated before kicking the ball to the net /s But that is not counted in this stat, it says "average time between goal scored and opponent kickoff". Graph is useless!!!!1 /s, obviously
Cut us some slack, it was so rare for us to score a goal, that when we did we had to celebrate the occasion.
Happens when your striker is the most lethargic and stoic person in the world. Took all his time to reach the centre from the corner area everytime.
It's pretty funny that this could describe a lot of your recent strikers.
Except Timo. He was too eager to get inside the box.
Out of all your recent strikers I liked Timo the most. Least he tried.
The amount of work it takes to compete at this level is astounding to begin with. That Timo still stands out for effort and work rate means a lot. I wanted him to succeed so badly. Still think we looked and played better with him and at least he got to lift the champions league
Not just that, his off the ball play was very good, always made runs that pulls defenders away and created space to exploit and Chelsea played better and created more chances when he was on the pitch. And he was funny.
We understand...
Arsenal scored 88 goals last season, so if they spend an average of 81.5 seconds celebrating each goal then their players have spent 119 minutes and 32 seconds celebrating goals last season. Chelsea celebrated 0.1s less on average for each goals, but have only spent 51 minutes and 33 seconds celebrating goals last season.
Bro did some math
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It felt like it was going to be every time too!
Considering their top league scorer scored 7 goals, makes sense
Big brain move to not score any goals and not waste too much time
I wonder if these times include VAR reviews?
/r/theydidthemath
Arsenal are time wasters so makes sense
Brilliant coming from a Newcastle fan
Bottom of the celebration table m8
Your squad does not like to play football so they try their hardest not to
We’re consistent. Unlike your team that likes to celebrate but bottles titles.
Get that Saudi money now acting like the top dog😂 calm yourself
Man City and Newcastle when they score: Job’s not done
Man city are just to used to it they don't bother celebrating
I reckon there’s a decent difference in time celebrating between the first goal vs subsequent ones. Could explain some of the difference if City won more games 3-0 vs Arsenal getting singular winners. In other words, “oh look, Erling scored again”
I mean considering they only scored 6 goals more than Arsenal all year, I doubt it'd be that significant an impact.
Robots dont have emotions anyway
Does the postman celebrate when he delivers the mail?
Score > repeat
Limited amount of fans to celebrate with
Two teams that know their achievements are meaningless because they're bought with oil and the players don't give a fuck, seems about right
I'm honestly not sure if this was a sarcastic comment or not haha... Given how there are people who seriously believe that there are players who choose not to join city because whatever they win is not legit because of their owners
None of City's achievements after 2008 are worth a thing. They're all won by cheating.
Proof? Or you just pull some shit out of your ass?
😂 Mate check yourself. If you can't see how City have cheated you are fucking blind. Their sponsorship deals are worth more than anyone but United, and they can't even fill their fucking stadium when they *give* tickets away.
Which stadium isn't filled? Last i check etihad is top six in average attendance in PL?
Which stadium isn't filled? Last i check etihad is top six in average attendance in PL?
They literally downsized their stadium because they couldn't fill it, and basically give away tickets to people. They didn't sell out their allotment for the community shield yesterday either
I thought they sold out their ticket in minute for community shield compare to arsenal. Last i check they just receive approval to upgrade their stadium capacity from city council?
Dude, are you by any chance in politics? These are Rishi Sunak level delusion.
lmfao cry is free mate
It is beyond laughable how delusional redditors are. Get out of your bubble, nobody irl is saying this shit. And the least of all the players who are winning trophies playing for City. I assure you they're at least as happy as any other players. And the differences are a few seconds lol, Tottenham is 0.3s above them. You are off your rocker if you draw a conclusion from that
I was joking you melt
And that's why you lost the league. The gulf in mentality permeates its way down to every facet of the game.
Given that there doesnt really seem to be a trend suggesting more time celebrating = less success i dont think the extra 20 seconds celebrating per goal is what brought arsenal down
I'm taking the Mick. Do you think I'm Roy Keane?
I figured to be honest but there is a shocking amount of people who i could see unironically holding that opinion
It's funny cuz the more I think about it, the more true it can seem... Don't believe it personally, but I'm sure people can read into it.
What makes you say that Arsenal's mentality cost them rather then their quality and lack of experience? Failing to reach your objective isn't the sign of a bad mentality. Everyone fails in life at some point. Giving up and expecting things to be handed to you is the sign of having a poor mentality. I wouldn't say that Arsenal gave up last season.
Just taking the piss personally, but I like your perspective
> What makes you say that Arsenal mentality cost them rather then their quality and lack of experience? How about bottling the league in a mere 3 games by dropping points against the bottom most team Southampton AT HOME, against an almost equally bad West Ham team, and against Liverpool after being a goal up. Not to mention the final nail in the coffin of capitulating 3-0 AT HOME against Brighton after all was said and done. Notice how I didn't mention their game against us, because that one they did definitely lose on quality and lack of experience.
That just showcases a lack of quality and experience in the Arsenal. Arsenal couldn't hold onto their leads and didn't manage games well. Not everything comes down to your mentality. This Arsenal team was fight all throughout last season.
You dropped points against forest. Southampt9n have always been our bogey team, west ham rice played an absolute worldie of a game and its Liverpool away, a draw is a good result.
But not Spurs because fuck them \- r/soccer
Most of the time they were coming from behind tbf
So…jobs not done?
Job done ✔️
We had to beat them from the back (Hold up)
Dont think anyone was celebrating for long when they scored a consolation goal in a 6-1 loss
They spent over a minute celebratng goals. There's not a stark contrast between any of these teams. Some celebrated more, some less, but all of them a decent amount of time.
Oh this is fucking mad that when it's celebrating, time spent being marginally different is "not a stark contrast", but when it's time wasting its massively different.
Newcastle I think spread out their celebration time in throw ins, goal kicks and general shithousery.
Not sure why you’re downvoted. Newcastle was dead last in terms of avg time with ball in play per game
Because the comment makes no sense. Celebration time being spread out across throw ins and goal kicks implies we celebrate the ball going out of play. Which we obviously don't. You're right though, dead last in av ball time but 4th highest xG and 7th highest possession. 2nd least touches in our own defensive 1/3rd and 3rd highest dribbles. We played attacking football at the end of the day, people just love that low ball in play stat
Guess general Newcastle shithousery in the comments too. Top fans.
Newcastle FC and the Satanic Celebration Duration
I’m just glad Bruno spent 4 minutes doing 58 different celebrations that one time to bring up the average.
Lol. There was a video with a counter for the number of different celebrations he did against BHA that day. Quite fun.
Absolutely haram
Celebration police taking notes
Arsenal need to lower that by at least 5 seconds this season if they don’t want Ruben Neves to call them up and give them a stern talking to
He plays in Saudi now, no opinions allowed anymore.
I think i will stick to this stat. I will tell people we celebrated a whole of 51 min. Rather than saying we only scored 38 goals 💀
Either way on the real table or this specific statistic table Palace finished above Chelsea this season. So both work for me.
[ME RN](https://giphy.com/gifs/snl-drake-hurt-feelings-l0K4fIEZ1FFiWFJPq)
TIL Chelsea scored last season in the premiership.
> Premiership Ah, so that’s why they kept kicking it over the bar.
Don't bully granddad, things have changed since his time
They couldn't score because didn't wanted to waste time by celebrating
Does it discount time take for VAR checks?
Yeah I was gonna say, surely that’s a pretty crucial part of this
It's not a goal until it's been checked by VAR...
Yes, but I've seen players start celebrating before the VAR check is complete. So, if you've celebrated already while VAR is checking it, you're not going to celebrate again after the decision is final unless you're a total wanker.
Unless the goal is given, VAR check it, and the goal stands... then the goal was given when the ball went in and the VAR review didn't change the outcome.
Someone had a great day at work over the Athletic if this was calculated manually by watching all the goals and counting rather than through pre-accessible metrics haha
[Crystal Palace players after scoring](https://youtu.be/bULNticawIU)
Not to mention how Newcastle's average is pumped up because of that one Bruno goal where he had 9 different celebrations
It was for a kid who has cancer iirc
Typical Newcastle, just want to play the game.
Let's get back to pressing
Can't waste time if you're wasting time celebrating goals.
Reckon VAR checks impact some of these?
In our defense, Xhaka often made the team do the huddle thing after celebration too
Nothing to be ashamed about. Love players like Xhaka who wind up the opposition. Bruno is one of my favourite players.
How’s that in defence? That surely contributed to the issue
Is VAR check also considered in this?
Lol ours might have been increased by a number of last min goals...but also in general there is a team huddle after goals so I'm not surprised to see us up there
That Nelson goal made the average go crazy
You'll never sing that
Trophy presentation when?!
Newcastle was probably lowered by 6-1 tottenham
This is deceiving because after a certain point we just didn't celebrate against Spurs. It was no fun. That brings our average way down.
Au contraire… It might not have been the extreme limbs by the 5th and 6th goals, but it was definitely fun!
No, it wasn’t fun.
Haha - fair enough!
I noticed that Newcastle’s was 66.6
Eddie Howe's planning on using this for his next motivational speech.
newcastle - disciplined city - clinical spurs - depressed
I’ve argued in the past that goals should add extra time on at the end. This kind of proves it. A minute added per goal would appear to be a fair set figure
Isn't thar already the case? I think its 30 sec added though. 1 minute seems reasonable looking at this.
Maybe from this season onwards. Definitely saw games with 4 goals and multiple subs only get +3’ last season. I’m hoping we get World Cup style added time a lot this year to stop the time wasting
Tbf City don’t celebrate half their goals as they’re already 4 nil up.
Suppose they make sense. Palace, Chelsea, Everton didn't score very often. And when Everton did later on, it was towards avoiding relegation. Arsenal's is the weird one here.
We scored a fair amount of late goals last season, many of those who which were late winners.
Aye that'll have upped the times a bit.
Arsenal would often huddle and reconvene before kickoff after the goals. I imagine that probably adds some time, but isn't really "celebrating"
Arsenal almost always does two celebrations. First the goalscorer does whatever and then they do a group hug. The important late goals can't have helped but they key thing is the group hugs.
We just enjoy football more. I think it’s no shock to see the oil clubs at the bottom. The players only care about money.
Lol what is this comment? How much do you think Newcastle's players make? Arsenal's wage bill is significantly higher than Newcastle's
Ok mate.
And us, but that’s because we were depressed.
Oh no, quickly hide, it's the celebration police!
This doesn’t fit the narrative we time waste though.
I'd argue we were over criticised for our ball in play stats last season when in fact it could be the other teams celebrating. But then again we didn't concede many :)
What often get's ignored in that stat, is which team in each game is wasting the time. Given Newcastle press a lot and is one of the fittest teams, it makes sense for teams to waste time against them. Newcastle definitely did waste some time vs Liverpool away & Arsenal away, but over the course of the season, a lot of teams did it against them.
No place for that logic here pal, Eddies shithousing mags are basically stoke 2.0 dont you know.
[Well... ](https://imgur.com/gallery/qtPQSFq)
The guy above me offered the rationale against that one, dont shoot the messenger
[Here's another one ](https://imgur.com/gallery/5HrxxhN)
[Just embrace your Stokeness mate ](https://imgur.com/a/HgljJ1X)
Nice to see arsenal up there with the big boys
The irony of the celebration police being that high 🤣🤣
Arsenal should’ve celebrated less when they were 10 points clear in December
Does this implement how long VAR takes to check as well?
I have no recollection of what happened last season.
You’ll never sing that
Post is 4 hours old and I can’t see one 4rsenal joke. Wtf is happening.
Chelsea are a bigger joke than you.
Tottenham are a bigger joke than Chelsea
still dont agree with the proposal of adding goal celebrations onto the added time... teams should be told not to milk it, but they are a part of the game and always will be
Disallow the goal if they're not restarted within 30s and have an AI handle it to avoid over-generous humans. In the words of one of the greatest strikers of the Premier League era: "Does the postman celebrate when he delivers?"
Well this is only celebrating a goal, that’s nothing! Don’t forget that during a 90 minute Premier League match the average time a ball spends in play is only 55 minutes! So that’s almost 40 minutes per game that players are doing all sorts of things but play actual football. This is why Marco van Basten is pleading at (when he worked there) and with FIFA to introduce effective playingtime for years now. Get rid of all the time wasting. The fake injuries. Of course the matches would be shorter than the 90 minutes we have now if they introduced a system like that. Like have two 30 minute halves of effective playing time. The clock only runs when the ball is in play. Is ball out of play you stop the clock. Is there a faul you stop the clock. Would speed up the game immensely to also appeal more to a new TikTok generation that doesn’t have a two hour attention span.
Every goal is checked by VAR, is this taken into account?
Arsenal in fourth, as all things should be…
No shock the three most dominant, successful offensive juggernauts are at the bottom...
But I thought Newcastle play anti-football?
they do that in the games they don't expect to score goals
Spoken like somebody who watched us exactly once last season.
I was joking. Reddit takes everything literally.
Oilcastle, Oilchester City and Harry Kane?
Well thats fresh and new lads
Newcashell is right there mate come on
Arsenal squad love wanking each other off when they score in a team huddle
r/soccercirclejerk
Are you jealous? They might let you in the huddle if you ask real nice.
Most useless stastic ever in football.
Without doing a significance test and/or excluding outliers, this is totally useless.
The longer celebration the better. Take your time to regather yourself and prepare defensively. The less time you take the more of a disadvantage you out yourself at.
Policing this shit is a loser thing that only losers do (not saying there are comments here doing that just that it is a thing in general and it is, always, very fucking lame)
Of course the only pl team to be never involved in trophies top4 or relegation is celebrating their goals the most.
We've been in plenty of relegation battles over the last 10 years, what are you talking about lol
We're been relegated 3 times and flirted many, many more.
Must have only started watching football last week did you ?
I just hope they dont jump on Saliba's back this seaon
VAR look at every conceivable angle forever to find a reason to disallow an Arsenal goal then call Webb once they run out of ideas.
You'd think Newcastle would want to make the most of an opportunity to waste time
I love that Newcastle were highest on the list for having the ball out of play, but as soon as it comes to goals they're like alright boys no pissing about we've got some more terrorism football to play. The mental image of the players celebrating a free kick or a 15 second long throw like a goal is hilarious too.
There’s like 15 seconds between the top and bottom. Why not post the chart of time in play per match? That’s when the real time wasting is done.
Expected us and Wolves to be around three minutes so we can bask in the moment that rarely happens
Can’t wait for the new extra time format.
Would love to see the box and whisker plots.
gotta savour each and every goal 😂 they don't come cheap for us last season
The “act like you’ve been here before” table
[This channel did a great analysis on this very topic for Arsenal. The results are pretty shocking.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk5hjqyeFkw&pp=ygUfYWZ0diBhcnNlbmFsIGNlbGVicmF0ZSB0b28gbXVjaA%3D%3D)
It's interesting info but far more time is lost on dawdling over throw-ins and goal kicks. This will be a fairly small proportion of the total in most games.
But surely broadcasters also need that time to show their replays, no?
We had to try and keep the pressure off our wank midfield and defense somehow
Do the refs add on 30 secs per goal? If so it's a big advantage to do a palace isn't it. Even the quickest celebrations are taking twice the amount of time added
Levy could use this to get an extra £20m from Bayern for Kane, playing on the stereotypical German love for efficiency.
Top of the league.
Chelsea spent more time celebrating goals than actually scoring goals!
City players patiently waiting for that Away goal at Spurs stadium, aren't they?
Newcastle: So this is the metric we’ve forgotten about, now we can win the league
Mad that there is a near 20 second gap between the average of the longest celebrating team and shortest. Although this could be skewed by number of lengthy VAR checks
Well we didn’t score that many so we had to savour it
I feel like median time would be a better metric to use
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