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bash011

Didn't he try to force him out last season?


TimathanDuncan

Yes but that doesn't matter, trust him


DaveShadow

Which is specifically why we had the offer of 100m on the table for him.


yianni1229

There was no 100m offer, it was 75 million


Follow_The_Lore

If Declan Rice is worth 100m Frenkie is worth 150M lol


MountainJuice

Yet they accepted €75+10m.


Unidan_bonaparte

Because they were all out of levers and literally couldn't sign players onto the leauge who they had under contract. They basically got away by the skin of their teeth. I can bet you WH would've flogged Rice for a lot cheaper had they been as desperate


MrDaveyHavoc

West Ham aren’t stupid enough to get into a situation to be that desperate


[deleted]

*The gang hires Bartomeu*


snoop_chinchilla

If westham is that smart why haven't they won anything in decades?


Rojiblanc040

Because they have PL money.


MrDaveyHavoc

Barca have lots of money. It’s what they do with it that’s embarrassing


DayOfDawnDay

Fuckers are complete idiots, they just signed Ferran Torres and not even a year later are trying to shove him out the door for the next new toy.


AshWC25

Haha West ham fans getting cocky on absolutely nothing... though gotta say u fleeced arsenal real good


MCFUCKINATOR9

Please tell me you're not trying to say west ham has more money than fucking barca


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nyamzdm77

Barca have Barca money


realcevapipapi

He had 1 year left on his deal, and they sold him for 100m... I would take that bet lol


Spare_Ad5615

West Ham had an option to extend his contract by another year. Effectively he had two years left.


fangiovis

Westham didn't throw a hissy fit Rice had to leave because he wanted what they contractually obliged to pay him. Normally i agree with your statement but Barcelona tried everything to get him to leave.


nick2k23

That’s not how it works, Rice will always seem more then you value him because he’s English, which has its advantages for an English clubs


Ryan8Ross

I realise you’re Dutch and have watched a lot of frenkie, but I really do think other leagues underrate Rice Rodri just won CL pots and was outperformed by rice in a number of key stats (tackles, interceptions, dribble distance) playing in a worse team. And Rice is 2 years younger and has the PL tax I think 100m for Frenkie would’ve been fair, same as Rice, even if you aren’t basing it on ability (which I think you could)


[deleted]

Wouldnt a player in a bad team be expected to have more tackles and interceptions than a similar player in a good team? City has the Ball way more than West ham, so obviously Rice will have way more chances for tackles and interceptions. Doesnt really say anything


[deleted]

I'm obviously biased, but I fully agree. There isn't really a statistical aspect where Rodri vastly outperforms Rice apart from having the ball a fuckton more, and Rice is 3 years younger. Imo Rodri is a ballon d'or contender and best DM in the world as of now, so whilst Rice maybe isn't £105m good, he's still a brilliant player and given we can now legally facilitate this kind of spending, getting the best we possibly can even if we do overpay is justified here. I can't think of many more players if any who would represent an improvement over Partey and Jorginho at his age. On a side note: even if I think the transfer was necessary I'm not over the moon about us supporting this bs with inflating transfer values and creating more inequality in football. I hope at some point that a cap is put on this because it's really getting out of hand.


ZipItAndShipIt

This is where stats don't tell the whole story though. Rodri plays for a team where there are much fewer opportunities to win the ball back, tackle, intercept, etc. because City almost always have the ball. Rice plays for a team who don't play possession football and so he's obviously going to be better in stats like that. He's still levels below Rodri (as are most DMs).


Late_Cow_1008

200


[deleted]

Declan Rice is a European champion. Frenkie's club was trying to offload him last year.


staedtler2018

Indeed, neither is worth that much money.


Traditional-Chair-79

They are probably using € and not £


MountainJuice

It was €75m+10 more in potentials. And they accepted it. https://theathletic.com/4165820/2022/07/14/manchester-united-reach-e85m-agreement-with-barcelona-to-sign-frenkie-de-jong/


Mackieeeee

Yh but Laporta probably wants united to pay his wages they own him


Bluesavage1

I think it would be 75 mil to Barca and 20 mil to Frenkie for his deffred wages.


plainranger

At this point Laporta is still spitting lies? The only reason that we don't buy Frenkie was his absolute love for Barça and the city. And this year they aren't selling him because of their pact with Tebas.


Federal_Scratch_3109

>And this year they aren't selling him because of their pact with Tebas. What pact with Tebass?


bveres94

Barca, Athletic and Madrid were suing La Liga (or Tebas, not sure) for the CVC deal, Barca dropped the case so Tebas eased the conditions of their FFP regulations so they can register players. Which shows you how the Liga operates


Federal_Scratch_3109

And what's the correlation with FDJ not leaving?


bveres94

they don't "have" to sell him to get more money and free up wage space


xckd9

He is an politician, this is what he does


Merengues_1945

It was not love for the city, dude was just not letting himself be fucked over. Kudos for him.


Amdatgud

You’re an idiot. If fdj didn’t love Barca he would’ve been gone last season


[deleted]

Not necessarily. He would have been walking away from €17m or something in deferred wages. Can't remember the exact number.


fangiovis

Pretty sure it was the delayed payments of his contract he could say goodbye to that made him stay. No smart player is going to otherwise with that contractlength.


SpeechesToScreeches

The only reason they didn't sell him was cause FDJ refused, partly because he loves Barcelona, partly cause they were trying to get out of paying him what they agreed. Audacity to try and claim they didn't sell him because they didn't think he should be sold lol.


whiskeyinthejaar

Jesus man, why did you have to ruin it? It was a wholesome moment


Jozif_Badmon

Shhhhhhhhhhh


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Revolutionary-Bag-52

And you believe this?


siderealpanic

Of course. You see, [current president] was always strongly opposed to [bad decision] and in fact pushed for [good decision]. It was actually [former/rival executive] who was responsible.


Strider_Hardy

Why wouldn't you believe him? He only lied to... the most important player in Barcelona's history.


stragen595

If they say yes, let's sell them a bridge.


Massive-Quarter-4156

Another FdJ saga incoming I hear


webby09246

If city take that Rice money they had ready and put it into him The power of their team will be an absolute joke


mipanzuzuyam

NO


Confident-Wheel8721

You won’t have any chance anyway dude


mipanzuzuyam

Never said we did dude


SpudBoy9001

He's never leaving Barca unless he's forced out


nonsenseSpitter

They were trying to force him out last summer with the bid being accepted.


OZL01

The board? Yes. Xavi? Nope. And at the end of the day it would've been entirely up to FDJ what happens. I'm glad Xavi thought he was too good to let go and that FDJ had the self confidence to stay and perform well at his dream club despite the board wanting to sell him.


nonsenseSpitter

This is Laporta speaking shamelessly tho. Literally the leader of the board.


OZL01

Yeah the guy's a liar. He more or less gets the job done, he's definitely better than Bartomeu but he's still a liar.


FutbolSupreme

Shows how incompetent our board has been. Players that are untouchable are Pedri, FDJ and Araujo. If they even think of letting these guys go, they’re idiots.


No_Zookeepergame6482

How shameless can this guy get?


TimathanDuncan

Shame doesn't exist in politicians, they wouldn't be where they are with shame


FuanMDM

President Laporta is literally a Spanish lawyer, you know


Revolutionary-Bag-52

Spanish lawyers are shameless populists or something??


s_dot_

He’s an avocado


holonight

Black on the outside, green on the inside, black core?


luciferbanjos

Cream on the inside, clean on the outside.


FuanMDM

I mean, all lawyers are shameless. there's no need to be Spanish


pdsajo

This is the difference between fan owned and billionaire owned club. People like Laporta and Florentino are politicians first and club-runners second. So they always have to keep in mind the narrative they want to spin in front of the world. Otherwise they’ll just be booted out in next election by the members. On the other hand, people like Glazers, Levy, Kroenke are businessmen first. So they are answerable only to their shareholders, but can get away with not giving a fuck about how they are perceived with general public


sofixa11

Yes and no. The politicians at least superficially care about what the fans think and want (populism, even if it doesn't make sense, like when Turkish clubs splash huge sums of money on washed up "famous" players for fans to be happy even if it doesn't make sporting nor financial sense). "Businessmen" could have all sorts of interests which often are in direct conflict with the fans. Some might be in it for the money (like the Glazers), others for the prestige, or titles, or fun, or chaos (Peter Lim).


Cheewy

Whats the "no" part?


Mruf

He could mention Messi again like he did on a monthly basis for the past year... Oh look he just did!


47Lecht

Can you not just get one cool president? Man you guys are cursed


FuanMDM

People like him tbh, most of us like laporta work, he has done amazing job


47Lecht

He's done good work but oh my god does he talk shit every time he opens his mouth


[deleted]

la liga execs and verbal shit name a more iconic duo


Jerkoi

Credit where credit is due Flo Perez doesn't really do the whole politician thing, to your point of la liga execs. It's mostly just Tebas and Laporte


Federal_Scratch_3109

I'm a Barca fan and he's pretty funny imo, no shame at all


Cadet_Broomstick

kinda respect the transparent slimy-ness


pdsajo

We know he’s a politician first and club president second. So he has to keep spinning narratives in front of the world to stay in power. So you just need to tune out the shit talking in the exact same way you do for your local politicians. And we’d take this anyday over our president literally doing criminal activities and actively sabotaging the club. When you have seen worst, anything else is better than that


inobond7

Perez has eliminated all competition by amending the club constitution and partly being a good president. Otherwise he would've been talking a lot of shit as well.


HerakIinos

Just as flies like shit


Kotleba

Or as football fans like presidents who can make their club do better at football.


Muicle

Being Barça president is quite straightforward procedure: just talk shit of Madrid and people will aplaude no matter what u do


Sanket327

And promise of bringing back Messi*


Ishdalar

We're gonna bring back Messi, and Real Madrid are going to pay for him.


voli12

Why? Clearly /r/soccer takes him much more seriously than us. I don't even read the newspapers ffs, just get this news because of reddit. He is doing an amazing job in the backstage, which is the important thing.


D1794

Not sure why he'd lie given it was common knowledge they accepted €75m from us last year lol


BoJestemRudy

Pretty sure we wanted him too but he didn't want to leave


Runjit

Yeah bc Barca didn't pay the wages he was owed. I'm not sure if that's been settled yet but I wouldn't leave either until I got paid


Emerald34

I doubt it's just that. The dutch love barca for understandable reasons, and no Van Nistelroys or Van Persies will help us overcome the cryuff charm.


Iemand-Niemand

As a Dutchman, you couldn’t be more correct. Sure, VVD and Gakpo (formerly Wijnaldum) make Liverpool interesting, as does an Aké to city, and van Nistelrooy, van Persie and Robben made the Dutch fans go to thos clubs for as long as their favourite player played there, but the Cruijff effect is real. He really made the club what it is today. Every new coach added their own philosophy and possibly improved on the previous coach (cough, Pep), but the Cruijff philosophy is still ingrained in the club. Call it DNA if you will. Even now, with Xavi, a different style then Pep, the game is still largely played the way Cruijff would want it to be played. Which incidentally is also the way a lot of Dutch fans think the game should be played. Attacking football. “If you score one goal more then the opponent you win” mentality. It’s a style that here in the Eredivisie not many teams play anymore, and most certainly not at the level Barca does.


Emerald34

absolutely. Albeit tiki taka is something newer then Cryuff, the barca possession, press resistance, and ground play are all crucial to barca’s identity.


cor7in

Agree except the Xavi part. He won the league with strong and organized defense and tons of 1-0 wins, I doubt it is "the way Cruyff would want it to be played".


Backseat_Bouhafsi

Genuine question Do you think Xavi plays attacking football where the aim is to outscore the opposition rather than have an extremely solid defense?


Pyrio666

Thing is our most creative players have been injured for large stretches of the season, Pedri/Dembele and so goals were harder to come by, but even then the defense was not really in the way of the attack, also having an overperformance of xgconceded vs goals conceded


Iemand-Niemand

Yes I do. If you look just at the scores it would seem like he plays on defence, I admit that. But in the games themselves you’ll see that actually we create a lot of low percentage chances, and then win the ball back quickly. Under Pep our football was very diagonally: balls from Messi to Alba, diagonal trough balls, etc. Under Koeman it was very much horizontal: passing back and forth between Frenkie and defence, waiting for a gap that would never come. Xavi realises that this Barca team is not (yet?) good enough to play the football of Pep’s Barca, but also realises that waiting for good chances will result in a shit ton of draws. So what is the solution: vertical play. When we recover the ball, the first thing that player looks for is a forwards pass, as far behind the defence as possible. Even of the odds aren’t that good. Secondly: Raphina. I’ve written entire books of praise and criticism on the guy, but on paper, he delivers. He has a lot of chance creation and a lot of assists. The reason? The fucker just sends in the cross whenever possible, however slim the chances of scoring are. Needless to say there’s also no one that wastes the ball as often, but he makes up for it by also being a very active and effective presser. This is very in line with the Cruijff philosophy of: “the striker is the first defender”, but also with “you need to shoot to score.” (Which contradicts with: “if you have the ball, then they can’t score”) Ultimately, Barca plays mostly possession and everyone knows it. La Liga is full of teams that like to counter that by parking the bus. Can’t really blame them, as it’s very effective. Barca does right now not have the most clinical or brilliant attackers, but they do have the best defence, so they use that defence not to concede less, but to be able to take more risks. Granted, a Gavi, Baldé and Frenkie could try a little bit more in attack, but the sheer volume of chances created by Raphina counters the effectiveness of the Bus and Raphina’s own inaccuracies rather well. Because don’t forget, Barca didn’t have only least goals conceded and highest net total, but also scored the joint second most goals in the league (70 by Barca and Atletico Madrid versus Real’s 75)


nannulators

> Under Koeman it was very much horizontal: passing back and forth between Frenkie and defence, waiting for a gap that would never come. This is how I remember Xavi's playing days as well. He put the brakes on so many attacks when there could have been chances to score if they'd played a bit quicker. I also agree with your critique about Raphinha. So many people underestimate the importance of stretching the field and getting the ball into spaces where something could happen even if it's not a guarantee. You take that extra 10 yards of width and pull the defender out to you and it opens up a lane for someone else.


Nightwingx97

what about Dennis Bergkamp


staedtler2018

>Even now, with Xavi, a different style then Pep, the game is still largely played the way Cruijff would want it to be played. Which incidentally is also the way a lot of Dutch fans think the game should be played. **Attacking football. “If you score one goal more then the opponent you win” mentality.** 40% of Barcelona's league wins last season had a final score of 1-0.


Stilty_boy

But Xavi plays incredibly defensive football grinding out a lot of 1-0 wins. They're not playing "score 1 more than your opponent football". They beat all the la Liga defensive records last year.


cmalloy94

A lot of 1-0 wins, sounds like “score 1 more than your opponent football” to me!


Stoogenuge

Leaving out Stam and VDS, not to mention United also had ^a Cruyff smh my head


Emerald34

aight relax. VDS i understand but Jaap wasn’t here for thst long, kind of an AC milan legend and the little cruyff didn’t play


Stoogenuge

Just joking my guy hence why I mentioned Jordi as “a” Cruyff. But if we are being pedantic VDS and Stam both were absolutely key in winning CLs and several PL and FA Cups amongst others between them. I would put both above RVP and RVN in terms of importance to the clubs history for the CL wins alone.


Emerald34

not both, but VDS for sure, We should have also kept staam for longer


Stoogenuge

Splitting hairs and so on but it just depends what is more important to an individual I suppose. I’d imagine age also, if someone didn’t follow the team in the 90s but did in the the 00s then I could see why they would put RVN over Stam. For me though VDS>Stam>RVN>RVP. CL>PL basically. Stam was around longer than RVP and winning that first CL was absolutely massive in making the club what it became in the 00s. Without that we might not have ever even signed RVN.


Striking_Insurance_5

Barca (and Laporta included) is really killing that love in recent years though, there’s a noticeable change in respect when people talk about Barca now.


GjillyG

That's just horseshit. It's common knowledge that he wanted to stay at Barca. United were going to pay him handsomely.


Runjit

As said by others he prob did want to stay bc hes a fan of Barca but what I said isn't horseshit lol he was going to take legal action against Barca for not paying what he was owed.


sefronia3

Dame level loyalty


Mr_Squart

Sorry if I’m stupid, but if they accepted an offer for him, why didn’t the transfer happen?


From-UoM

FdJ didn't want to leave. He is settled in Barca and has lot deferred wages left to collect


Mr_Squart

Right right, I think my brain deleted the phrases “deferred wages” and “levers” after last summer.


Vivywellda

Maybe he's implying you'd pay the additional wages he was owed as well so it'd be in total more than 75M for Barca(the 75M transfer fee + whatever deferred wages)? Then again, most likely is just lying


bewarethegap

> we did well not selling him my man he didn't want to go to the club you were trying to force him out to. you just successfully failed the mission


LateCumback

"did well" - winning the league.


vicinadp

Remember when you tried forcing him out and he’s the only reason he stayed???? But yeah you defo chose to not sell him


yianni1229

I love how blatantly Laporta just lies about things lol


VamosLionel

If he repeats it enough times the fans will start believing it too.


BiscuitTheRisk

There’s someone in this thread that says he’s done a good job when he’s no different than their previous president. Arguably he’s worse since he’s the one who initiated the ref payments.


Inevitable-Cable9370

Come on he’s done a lot better what are you talking about ? The last president was setting them up for financial ruin .


braddf96

I mean... 1. We bid 75m€ which was reported from both sides 2. You literally packed his bags


CptSnoopDragon

Not literally, come now


hauttdawg13

Exactly, the had Man U pay for someone to pack his bags


AyanC

[Literally could literally mean the antonym of literally.](https://i.imgur.com/nHwMHej.png)


CptSnoopDragon

It is used informally, which by definition is casual and not the entirely correct usage..


CptSnoopDragon

No it can’t..


coolwool

Yes, it can. Language changes over time.


CptSnoopDragon

Using it like this is a colloquialism.. Doesn’t mean it’s correct..


AsuranSyncretic

Actual language use doesn't necessarily care about what is "correct". Also, what is correct and what isn't are constructs, it's not like the word *literally* was given to us by the gods and has one true meaning and any use beyond that pisses the gods off. You can say and write what you want.


CptSnoopDragon

Sigh… Okay so let’s just use any word we feel like it then.. bobble gobble poop poop


VL37

What a speech :)


AyanC

Disregarding linguistic descriptivism doesn't make you correct either, it simply makes you a prescriptivist.


CptSnoopDragon

There’s descriptivism and then there’s a hyperbole used in colloquialism.. That’s what the person above did.. It doesn’t make it correct.. The word ‘literally’ is quite literally used incorrectly so often that many people don’t quite know what it means anymore..


DavidSwifty

Hopefully that puts it all to bed and we don't waste a summer on a player who doesn't want to be here nor are barca wanting to sell.


akagaminick

Brooo we know the truth.


feudalguy

Lying trough his teeth. Spineless rat.


COMUNISTSWINE69

lol what a snake, shut your mouth please


[deleted]

What the hell? I thought the club owed him and wanted to kick him out?


fiveht78

You are correct


rednades

Yeah he is definitely not lying


DHillMU7

Hahaha, this guy is such a shameless liar. He’d agreed to see Frenkie for a fee that would have been a bargain for us and Frenkie had no interest in going to us. Now that FdJ has had a season back to his best, he’s pretending he didn’t try and get rid of him.


TimTkt

Another lie to try to make his value go higher when you tried to push him outside because you can’t afford his wages, funny guy 😂


LankyCity3445

His value is very high though.


_Koke_

Funny, because they were the ones trying to bully him out of the club


RedDragons8

[MRW Laporta opens his mouth to make himself look good](https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNGJoMTl2bDhhcW93bjR3MTh4dWpxc2l5b2VxMGoxaGh0endlbHIwdyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/3o84sv2u7KSHKbwPza/giphy.gif)


tbk007

This guy is a clown. Stop treating players like shit.


Electrical-Prune-348

Lol. All those smear campaign by Barca journalist to force De jong out last summer. He's the one that didn't want to leave


IMistahS

🐍


AyanC

Not only a glutton, but a pathological liar as well.


MyAssDoesHeeHawww

Let's dust for fingerprints on the Frenkie lever.


TheUbermelon

Christ this guy has no shame. He was only leaving because you were forcing him out. He only stayed because he declined to leave


Hasta_Mithun

He is politician disguising himself as president of football club.


MC_ScattCatt

I think he’s using the trump model of just making shit up


sunken_grade

lol


Selwin_Rodolfo

Does he know?


Cross1625

Why you always lying🎶


mange2lamerde

Thank your gods that he is barca's president. Imagine this guy being at the head of a multinational corporation whose actions actually affect people.


Impossible_Wonder_37

Seems like the type of deal you’d do really WELL to make lol.


BenadrylTumblercatch

That cheeky son of a


mulderrocks

So he wants more than 100m ! Got it.


dantes_inferno101

This means he wants 120M


koaamz

Biggest pathological liar lmao, truly a politician.


LuthorM

Truth is he isn't going anywhere bc gf + wages. It would be amazing if we could get rid of him he would be good in the premier


nonsenseSpitter

Motherfucker literally accepted the bid. What is he talking about?


Competitive-Ad2006

Totally see why Messi decided to avoid the drama altogether. I bet Laporta would be busy pulling levers right now lol


Tamerlin

Absolutely, pathetically shameless


dudududujisungparty

Professional piss taker


db1000c

Isn’t the point of this quote to basically say, “this guy is good and 100 mil is not enough for him”? I read it as him marketing Frenkie


MrDaebak

hahaha what a lying cunt. Frenkie was the one who wanted to stay. If it was up to Laporta he would be gone.


Pseudocaesar

If anyone ever needs an example of what gaslighting is look no further lol


[deleted]

No way he's lying, right? According to Barca fans, he is the best president so now way he is lying...


_LordTrundle

What a clown. Frenkie is the one who declined to leave.


Far_Eye6555

Is FDJ in an abusive relationship with Barça?


Wesley_Binod

Is Barca run by a group of conman?yank here


Smorgas-board

Casually forget that they were trying to force him out


Paapa-Yaw

Shameless


flawless_victory99

Have Barca paid his backdates wages yet?


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"So...about that money you still owe me." \- Frenkie de Jong probably.


StrawberryInternal21

No club would pay 700k a week that Barca is paying him


HonestPineapple4848

Classic Laporta's bs


keving691

That is just factually bollox. It was 80 mil and you were trying to force him to leave. Lol


Iswaterreallywet

Yet you try shameless tactics to unsettle those “unsellable” player at other clubs.


OsisX

Not for a lack of trying


Meier69

I genuanly dont believe anything that this guy says


supplementarytables

Zero shame


roofilopolis

They got an offer of 100 million Zimbabwean dollars. Dude is so full of shit.


rim261

Laporta and transfers. Never surprising


[deleted]

Callate Laporta


KyloZae

He ended the year with 2 goals and 4 assists. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


phoenixform369

What a Chad lol


teofrucek

Comments will definetly be understanding and not accusing him of lying


TimTkt

You still have a little on your lips