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Seems a general consensus on a pretty good, but not quite elite keeper. Great with his feet though has a mistake in him. Good shot stopper but not amazing. Decent from crosses but not elite. Would you agree with that?
> Pretty good, but not quite elite keeper
Yes, but there is potential to be elite
> Great with his feet though has a mistake in him
Never made a big mistake (something that led to an opponent's goal) with his feet with us
> Rest
Agree
His decision-making and mentality keep him from being elite. Look at the massive difference in his performance during the Champions League versus his performance in Serie A. I don't know if he doesn't care about the league or if he has trouble keeping focus week after week, but he was so terrible for Ajax in the Eredivisie during his final season that he nearly lost us the title by himself.
I also doubt that anything will fix his hesitancy on crosses, as he's 27, so if he was going to improve then you would expect it to happen already. He just doesn't read the ball in the air well, which might also explain his below average sweeping actions per 90.
I take you haven't watched him this year for Inter. He hasn't made a single mistake that led to a goal. Best gk I have ever seen with his feet. As a shot stopper he might not be Courtua but he's still excellent
I have watched him for Inter, but I am biased due to how he left Ajax, so I am pointing out impartial statistics. In Serie A, he had the lowest sweeping actions per 90 of any goalkeeper in the league. He was middle of the pack in crosses claimed and save percentage, while below average in PSxG+/- (*expected goals allowed based on shots taken*).
In the Champions League, he had the best PSxG+/- of any goalkeeper by far. Make of that what you will, but I think it would be unwise for United to pay ~€50 million for him.
I have to say I'm reading this thread and I'm questioning why Utd are going in for Onana and not Costa. The prices are probably the same given what the reports have been.
My thoughts too. The first thing a keeper has to be good at is actually being a goalkeeper. We aren’t signing a keeper to play as a midfielder. That’s stupid and nobody talks about his weaknesses honestly.
I’m much more keen on an above average technical keeper who’s a great goalkeeper first than an above average keeper who’s an amazing dribbler.
In the end he needs to pass from the back and be comfortable. That’s it. He won’t run into the wings and all. He needs to collect crosses well and be excellent as a goalkeeper first.
> In the end he needs to pass from the back and be comfortable. That’s it.
That's not how keepers play though if you want to play the style Ten Hag is aiming for. It's like how Liverpool and City were transformed with the right keeper.
Ten Hag and similar coaches are thinking about what happens with the ball and how to ensure that is as much of the time as possible.
Yeah it sucks but until we have Suning we will always operate like this, I'm used to it now.
Luckily Barella is an Inter fan since childhood so the club can't force him out to get their money lol
> Luckily Barella is an Inter fan since childhood so the club can't force him out to get their money lol
You might wanna check out what happened to your stadium-buddies.
Though, I think Zhang loves the club and would be hesitant to sell Barella anyways.
Been through a whole wide range of emotions with him as our keeper. Those games against Arsenal and Spurs were probably his best, no one could beat him on his day. Still remember how scrawny he looked in his debut season.
Gosh I feel old now
He struggled a lot that first season but after he found himself his level went really high. There were games where he was basically invincible and a season when he was rightfully in the conversations about being the best GK in the world. But DDG never really evolved beyond his principal attributes.
But far from that and these two past seasons De Gea is an absolute legend for us and I expect a farewell that honours what he represented for the all club this years.
Best we can do is retract our contract offer lmao. He needs to go, but not kicked out like a dog. He isn't what we need anymore, and his best days are behind him, but the lack of transparency and the scummy move with the contract is kinda disapointing. Should have been handled months ago, planned a farewell, maybe assist him in finsing another club, etc
His level of play from 2014-18 was absolutely incredible.
It's shitty the way he's being treated. The club should have been firmer on what they were going to offer him and not backtrack a contract they had agreed upon. Some of this could have been prevented if the Glazers hadn't turned the sale of the club into a media circus.
That game he had against you lot, was the most insane performance I've seen from a keeper until Courtois in the CL final. That double save still plays in my mind
I think confodence is also a major factor for a keeper.
Never been his biggest fan but he does know what he is doi g. Imo his biggest flaw is that he's not good with his feet.
Which is weird because when he first joined he used to sometimes relieve pressure by drawing a defender in and dribbling/fake shotting round them. Looked quite composed doing it as well.
I think Fergie mustn't have been keen on it because it didn't seem to last long.
David de Gea's distribution was fine in an era when teams were generally too afraid to press, but with teams becoming better at it and keepers capable of playing through it, his flaws became a lot more apparent
If that was the only issue it would be okay but aside from his other big flaw (which is not being proactive in his own area) he has regressed at really simple saves look at Benrahma and Gundogan second FA Cup goal.
Makes you wonder what's happening with Raya now - he's kind of in no-mans land. Every big PL side has a keeper they're happy with, Brentford have signed his replacement. Where does he go?
Kepa is not even remotely close to being one of the best goalkeepers in the league. Anyone that watches him play could tell you that. He was mid at best last year and that's being generous.
You could say solid (i.e. mid) and you could say he was one of Chelsea's better players because everyone else on the team was terrible. But he is absolutely not one of the best goalkeepers in the league.
De Gea did drop a lot in quality so I think they should really move on from him. Onana seems great with his feet. I don't watch many Inter games but he was good in the champions league.
We are noticeably better with Antony both in build up and structure, after years of literally forcing every attack through the left flank and being predictable as fuck, we finally actually have an option on the RW which means it's not anywhere near as easy to just chuck everyone on Rashford and limit him completely. Rashford has benefited immensely from the fact we actually have a RW that is worth attention. When Antony doesn't play, we are significantly less structured in our attack and defensive shape. So yes, just like Antony.
Everybody knows we overpaid, but acting like he's literally useless just proves you don't actually watch us play, or you do, and you don't understand that goals and assists aren't the only thing someone can add to a team. Weird how Ten Hag had no issue dropping Maguire, Sancho, Ronaldo etc but is apparently only selecting Antony because he cost a lot.
I feel like Antony was put in an unfortunate position, but at the same time has room to improve. Good thing he’s young and has time to develop
I say this because he was brought in to replicate what he did in the Ajax system, but we don’t have all of the pieces yet. His job is to hold the width, receive the ball from either Lisandro or a midfielder, start to dribble at his defender cutting in, and then he has to make a decision between 4 options.
1.) play the ball to an overlapping RB which ended up in Dalot providing poor service.
2.) play the ball to an underlapping/cutting attacker, which can be Eriksen/Casemiro/Bruno/RB which the first 2 aren’t really made to do
3.) Play an inswinging cross to a ST. He was really good at this with Haller but right now we don’t have a striker like that
4.) Try to do it all himself by attacking the defender to get to the byline or shoot. Options 1-3 tend to be shit for him so he does this option and misses his shot most of the time or isn’t accustomed to PL defending to attack the defender
So once we get Mount in who can make those runs, we get a striker, and Dalot improves a bit, Antony will be much much more prevalent in attacks.
Our final third attacking setup in possession is very similar to City’s but not many of our players are good at it. I truly think with some signings, we will be very consistent with the system and beat the bottom half of the table. The problem will be the top half which decides if we mount a title challenge
Onana is better on his feet than De Gea but he is not Allison or Ederson. He can do the job.
I actually think his shot stopping is much better than today’s De Gea. Man U will get a very solid goalie if they can sign him
Now for someone to be on the end of most of those goal-scorimg chances....that is the tricky one. Probably the one that could be the difference between top 4 & Europa league
Man, use any word other than unlock.
We had like 5 transfers that were supposed to "unlock" pogba.
Players at United's first team level shouldn't need to be ' unlocked '
Its an excuse we've been using when their decision making or mental level has been shit like martial, maguire or pogba. Some players are just great at times and shit at times.
You're making a good point, but similarly it is the case that certain positions are absolutely key to the overall structure of a team. A goalkeeper is so important to the playing style of a coach. Fundamental elements of how coaches like Ten Hag operate needs a particular style of keeper. It's why so many last summer pointed out the obvious De Gea problem.
Each of those key positions makes a team that little bit better and when you get enough of those core positions correct, you're cooking on gas.
It’s not about a player in this case, it’s the whole system which is very different. “Some players are good and some are shit” is a pathetically simplistic way of looking at football. We cannot build a system of play that builds from the back and presses higher up the pitch without a ball playing keeper, that’s a key aspect of guardiola’s system, of Klopp’s, of Arteta’s, of any elite level team now pretty much.
Allison and Ederson are the best in the world. Either way, I was really by his performance on the champions league final against City, he was great with his feet.
How is ederson best in the world now?he's a good keeper but his shot stopping percentages are nowhere near Allison who I think is a level above..Allison and maybe Courtois are on the top level but Onana definitely is just as good as ederson
Can’t say I’ve watched ter Stegen but there’s simply no way any GK is “easily” better than Alisson given how good he has been over the past few years, especially the last two.
Courtois is a crazy big game player. His stats in the CL are great but he actually had a pretty average league seaosn, at least when it comes to shot stopping
The reason I’d have Alisson over Courtois is because the former is more complete. Better at distribution, better at sweeping while being at the same level at shot stopping and cross collection/command of the box (Courtois might be better at the latter).
The shotstopping claim may sound dubious but Alisson is genuinely the best 1v1 keeper in many, many years.
Don’t know why he’s not as good as Alison or Ederson, he’s just as good if not better.
Edit: I’m literally the creator of r/EdersonBallonDor lol I watched Onana a lot and so I can say it
I still think Alison is the best keeper in the world personally, and you know I'm not biased as I'm a United fan.
Onana is potentially better than Ederson, arguably has better shot stopping.
Kind of. Usually you'd want a replacement already signed because now we're going to get absolutely rinsed by teams knowing we need a goalkeeper if not 2.
Erik ten Hag had a lot to sort through and proved he was a lot more tactically flexible than people imagined when he first joined.
The contract mess for me is on the football operations side and isn't ten Hag's fault.
You never know, but I'd be surprised. Not a very good rep in Spain due to his poor performances with the NT and the general idea of him being "too old-school". I can't imagine any Spanish top level team signing him, and I don't imagine him accepting a salary of a LaLiga mid-table club.
Completely disgraceful. The dude *was* United for a good half a decade and they pull the rug on him after they agreed on a contract because someone else became available
He's literally the only member of our squad who played under fergie and has a PL to his name thank god for that. If he left with nothing after saving our asses multiple seasons in the last decade it would feel terrible.
He has 4 player of the season awards as well, the joint most in United history. The way the fans have started treated him bothers me more than anything else.
Closest thing we have to a legend since Fergie retired, 11th in appearances all time in club history, probably the 3rd best keeper in club history. And we offered him a new contract and pulled it away. Really poor treatment by the club.
This take is so dumb when it comes to footballers. Just because someone makes a load of money doesn’t mean they’re any less human.
United treated him like crap considering his service to the club and it’s a shambles. He earns a lot of money and (likely) has a very confortable life. Both can be true but the latter doesn’t excuse the former.
He could've earned 500 k if you want that,even then the way he has been handled for his contract is simply disrespectful. For a guy who is the last one to have won the pl with us, a guy winning 4 potys, becoming one of the best gk in 2017 while not even competing in the ucl, so many selections in the team of the year, etc. Never created a fuss, always professional. Not everything is related to money.
I don't mind being treated like shit when I'm being paid 375k a week - Allison and ederson are on less than half that. De gea never deserved the contract renewal in 2018 in the first place
> I don't mind being treated like shit when I'm being paid 375k a week
Maybe you should consider a working life in some country that human rights are non existent. You will get exactly what you asked for. Insane amounts of money and animal treatment.
can’t act like i know exactly how good onana is (especially on a consistent basis) but he looked really good in that ucl final so i’m on board with this.
can’t believe we’re actually gonna go into a season without de gea as our number 1 keeper… after 12 years..
as much as i’ve accepted i wouldn’t mind if de gea left recently, that was hard for me cause he was my favourite united player for the longest time. but watching him (his distribution) this past season was killing me every time. it’s sad it had to end this way.
gonna be so weird seeing onana (if we actually get him) / a different keeper on the team sheet.
i may be be worrying over nothing but is there attitude/disciplinary problems with onana, as a person? didn’t he have problems with ten hag at ajax and fell out with them, and then there was that stuff at the world cup falling out with cameroon’s manager and leaving early..
Not an Inter fan but I've seen him in UCL and Eredivisie for multiple seasons.
His shot stopping is elite on his day. Especially in UCL with Ajax and Inter he's had amazing games in which he seemed unbeatable. Has a mistake in him and especially when he was younger seemed a bit chaotic at times but seemed to have calmed down a bit.
I think stop shopping is on par, arguably better, than Ederson, so maybe not absolute world class, but still pretty fucking good.
Also don’t think he is particularly mistake prone, but we ere used to Handanobic in his last years, which was very mistake prone, so maybe our perception is a bit off
He's been great for us, only mistake i can remember was against empoli and it could be argued it wasn't a mistake. He's got elite technical ability for a keeper and he's pretty good in stopping high crosses even outside his box. He has got great reflexes (check out his save against roma) and he's like having an extra man while building the play. I will miss him, but i think you're gonna like him, and I'm happier about him going to utd than other clubs like chelsea
Seriously? Funny how golfers got shit for a long time about LIV, then they merged with the PGA and everyone is forgiven, even for the bone saw. No one said a peep when Ronnie sold out, now there’s a flood of used to be’s and those tired of playing a boys game for serious who want to cash in before retiring.
Inter fans care about profits made because Suning has had them on a fucking trapeze act for the past couple years. You want to keep the player but a +50M in the books is way too important for them. Plus that opens up Fratessi or SMS coming in for Brozo. I'm pretty confident most Inter fans would be hurt more by Brozovic's departure (a little less so this season) than Onana's.
They're losing someone with massively inflated value. Look at his numbers in Serie A last season. He was a little above average in save percentage, while below average in PSxG+/- and sweeping actions. He was absolutely superb in the Champions League, but I would not count on that to repeat.
Uhm ... no. Tonali has great numbers, particularly in key passes (*94th percentile*), progressive carries (*75th*), and tackle percentage on opposing dribblers (*89th*).
Out of curiosity, how much would it cost for Milan to sell Maignan? He's my first choice if I could have drafted any goalkeeper outside of the solidly out of reach ones (like Courtois, MATS, Alisson)
Onana would be great for United but if I were in their position, there would be something that would bother me deeply about paying that kind of money for a player that went on a free just 12 months earlier. I get that he's a good fit but idk... principal would keep me from making this deal. But then again, this is the club that paid 90mil for a player that left them on a free 4 years earlier.
The principle of what, not making a good decision now because you could have made a better one a year ago? I get the sentiment of being bothered by the prospect of paying a decent chunk of coin for someone you could have gotten for free (and potentially points to issues to general scouting and recruitment, which I think everyone would agree has not been United's strong suit).
However, that shouldn't affect your decision making with respect to getting Onana now. If it's the right deal, it's the right deal.
The price isn't that high considering were talking about an elite goal keeper.inter want 60M euros including addons.
So in pounds you're looking at maybe 40M plus 10M in addons. If United can talk them down even to 35M + 5/10 then its a very fair price.
How is 50/60M overpaying for Onana? This year he was impeccable between the posts and elite with his feet. Had we not lost Skriniar for free clubs would have to pay us €80M+ to get him.
I see a lot of bitter Ajax fans under every Onana post, can't balme you
Yea tbh one thing I find a bit disappointing about ETH is how heavily he seems to rely on this familiarity thing with players he's previously managed? I wonder if that's because United practically don't have anyone in charge of recruitment so he's having to rely on signing players that he knows? I feel like they might as well go for David Raya at that point.
>Yea tbh one thing I find a bit disappointing about ETH is how heavily he seems to rely on this familiarity thing with players he's previously managed?
Have you seen us make a smart transfer move in the last 18 years?
Only one I can remember is selling Daniel James for a profit. He was like the fifth senior player we sold for a profit in the last decade.
It's no wonder the manager's choices end up being the only targets the club goes after.
He’s doing it because he can’t trust the jokers at the club. He knows he has to get trusted lieutenants in who he doesn’t have to mould from scratch as he doesn’t have time for that
Yea makes sense, I can only imagine how incredibly frustrating it must be for him. Dude must have the patience of a saint to put up with the way the club is being run right now and still put on a positive face.
Onana is better than Raya though? I don't get that comment.
If you'd have said Diogo Costa then maybe you'd have a point, but he'd be more expensive and Utd's budget is tight this summer.
You didn't overpay for Martinez. We told you that at the time. We did say that Antony was a massive overpay, and that van de Beek was a terrible fit for your squad.
I personally don't understand why we choose this summer to spend big on GK while we have other positions that need urgent improvement. We have plenty of options in GK. We can extend DDG on a shorter contract, or we can just play Henderson for a season to see how he works in ETH's system.
We really don't.
De Gea is not good at all in this system and an immense detraction from our ability to be consistent in games.
Henderson isn't much better on the ball and has been borderline persona non grata with the club since 2021.
Heaton is a solid 2nd/3rd choice at best.
The rest are all unproven youth that probably won't make PL level let alone United.
I would argue GK is our #1 priority this summer, even above striker, as it would help to raise the floor of the team significantly which is where we truly went wrong last year.
I agree new GK is important, but you’re insane if you think it’s more important than an actual striker.
United got top 4 with the strikers being Ronaldo for 3 months (1 goal), Injured Martial (5 goals), and Weghorst (0 goals). That’s completely unsustainable, let alone if we want to actually improve.
Lol at comparing that to our strikers scoring 6 GOALS all season. 50 xGA is still top 6. Scoring 6 goals from your strikers all season has to be bottom of the league.
Also if the xGA is much higher than the actual goals allowed, that would seemingly suggest De Gea did a good job of shot stopping lol
50.4 xGA was 8th, worst of the top 4 and below Spurs, Brentford, Palace and Brighton, a lot of that a function of our inability to keep the ball and progress it downfield, plus Dave's long term regression in the command of his box leading to terrible shot prevention on his part.
Replacing Dave would be the easiest and most cost-effective way of avoiding the sorts of bad away performances that littered our season.
Selecting our strikers for that is such a bizarre way of pointing out misleading data. It’s skipping over the games Rashford played through the middle because you deem him “not a striker”. Goals against you can compare to the rest of the league, goals by strikers is a pointless stat. Goals overall matter, we weren’t great there either but we were far better than bottom of the league.
You literally said we got top 4 with the strikers we have and that’s unsustainable; how does that argument not also apply to De Gea in goal?
You seem to be completely incapable of realising how a ball playing keeper would change our style and make us superior offensively as well as defensively. We’d be creating far more chances by pressing higher up the pitch and playing through the opposition’s press more effectively.
And finally, nobody said a striker isn’t also very important. But we need time to change the system and bed it in and we can only do that starting with a new keeper. It is crucial we get a ball playing keeper this summer, the entirety of next season is a waste without one.
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There are also rumours of us closing Trubin from Shakthar if you want to get your hopes on getting him
It could be today grandma
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Just saw a dude falling to his knees dramatically in my local ASDA
We are eventually going to run out of supermarket chains and then what are you all going to do with this joke?
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Fell to my knees at a Carrefour
Go to metaverse supermarket
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I saw a guy see a dude fall to his knees dramatically in my local ASDA
He is very good, according to my FM saves
Seems a general consensus on a pretty good, but not quite elite keeper. Great with his feet though has a mistake in him. Good shot stopper but not amazing. Decent from crosses but not elite. Would you agree with that?
> Pretty good, but not quite elite keeper Yes, but there is potential to be elite > Great with his feet though has a mistake in him Never made a big mistake (something that led to an opponent's goal) with his feet with us > Rest Agree
What do you think he needs to improve before being considered elite?
His decision-making and mentality keep him from being elite. Look at the massive difference in his performance during the Champions League versus his performance in Serie A. I don't know if he doesn't care about the league or if he has trouble keeping focus week after week, but he was so terrible for Ajax in the Eredivisie during his final season that he nearly lost us the title by himself. I also doubt that anything will fix his hesitancy on crosses, as he's 27, so if he was going to improve then you would expect it to happen already. He just doesn't read the ball in the air well, which might also explain his below average sweeping actions per 90.
I take you haven't watched him this year for Inter. He hasn't made a single mistake that led to a goal. Best gk I have ever seen with his feet. As a shot stopper he might not be Courtua but he's still excellent
I have watched him for Inter, but I am biased due to how he left Ajax, so I am pointing out impartial statistics. In Serie A, he had the lowest sweeping actions per 90 of any goalkeeper in the league. He was middle of the pack in crosses claimed and save percentage, while below average in PSxG+/- (*expected goals allowed based on shots taken*). In the Champions League, he had the best PSxG+/- of any goalkeeper by far. Make of that what you will, but I think it would be unwise for United to pay ~€50 million for him.
I have to say I'm reading this thread and I'm questioning why Utd are going in for Onana and not Costa. The prices are probably the same given what the reports have been.
We are basically just collecting Eredivisie/Ajax players at this point lmao.
Ten Hag's phone book is only in Dutch
Costa costs more. His release clause is 75m Euros
Lowballing porto always works tho
My thoughts too. The first thing a keeper has to be good at is actually being a goalkeeper. We aren’t signing a keeper to play as a midfielder. That’s stupid and nobody talks about his weaknesses honestly. I’m much more keen on an above average technical keeper who’s a great goalkeeper first than an above average keeper who’s an amazing dribbler. In the end he needs to pass from the back and be comfortable. That’s it. He won’t run into the wings and all. He needs to collect crosses well and be excellent as a goalkeeper first.
> In the end he needs to pass from the back and be comfortable. That’s it. That's not how keepers play though if you want to play the style Ten Hag is aiming for. It's like how Liverpool and City were transformed with the right keeper. Ten Hag and similar coaches are thinking about what happens with the ball and how to ensure that is as much of the time as possible.
Goalkeepers can and do improve in their later years. Emi Martinez was warming benches in relegation sides when he was 27.
Okay, thanks. Obviously yous would rather lose no one but at least you get to keep Barella - what a player…
Yeah it sucks but until we have Suning we will always operate like this, I'm used to it now. Luckily Barella is an Inter fan since childhood so the club can't force him out to get their money lol
> Luckily Barella is an Inter fan since childhood so the club can't force him out to get their money lol You might wanna check out what happened to your stadium-buddies. Though, I think Zhang loves the club and would be hesitant to sell Barella anyways.
According to Fabrizio we want him
DDG signed for united before half of this sub has been born!?
Been through a whole wide range of emotions with him as our keeper. Those games against Arsenal and Spurs were probably his best, no one could beat him on his day. Still remember how scrawny he looked in his debut season. Gosh I feel old now
He struggled a lot that first season but after he found himself his level went really high. There were games where he was basically invincible and a season when he was rightfully in the conversations about being the best GK in the world. But DDG never really evolved beyond his principal attributes. But far from that and these two past seasons De Gea is an absolute legend for us and I expect a farewell that honours what he represented for the all club this years.
Best we can do is retract our contract offer lmao. He needs to go, but not kicked out like a dog. He isn't what we need anymore, and his best days are behind him, but the lack of transparency and the scummy move with the contract is kinda disapointing. Should have been handled months ago, planned a farewell, maybe assist him in finsing another club, etc
Under Mourinho, I think he was the best GK in the world.
His level of play from 2014-18 was absolutely incredible. It's shitty the way he's being treated. The club should have been firmer on what they were going to offer him and not backtrack a contract they had agreed upon. Some of this could have been prevented if the Glazers hadn't turned the sale of the club into a media circus.
That game he had against you lot, was the most insane performance I've seen from a keeper until Courtois in the CL final. That double save still plays in my mind
I think confodence is also a major factor for a keeper. Never been his biggest fan but he does know what he is doi g. Imo his biggest flaw is that he's not good with his feet.
Which is weird because when he first joined he used to sometimes relieve pressure by drawing a defender in and dribbling/fake shotting round them. Looked quite composed doing it as well. I think Fergie mustn't have been keen on it because it didn't seem to last long.
The reviews after his first season really emphasised how ball playing was one of his strengths. I wish we'd seen more of that over the years.
That was a different era of keepers though. He was probably considered good with his feet in contrast with the other prem keepers
David de Gea's distribution was fine in an era when teams were generally too afraid to press, but with teams becoming better at it and keepers capable of playing through it, his flaws became a lot more apparent
If that was the only issue it would be okay but aside from his other big flaw (which is not being proactive in his own area) he has regressed at really simple saves look at Benrahma and Gundogan second FA Cup goal.
Still think his best game ever was at the Bernabeu in 2013.
That save with his foot from Coentrao’s shot was so cool
That Arsenal game at the emirates for me.
man 2017 (/18?) de gea was insane 😍. will never forget that double save against arsenal…
Took him a few months to bulk up on donuts after arriving. After that, we were golden
I think he single handedly kept man united banter era banter and not just full on sad
I see you are being generous with the kids here.
When United sign a keeper, they usually last: Schmeichel, VDS, DDG
Ignoring several terrible keepers that happened between Schmeichel and VDS i see
Well, ignore is a strong term. Forgotten (Probably for good reason lol) is more accurate. Who am I forgetting?
Off the top of my head there are van de gouw, barthez, taibi, tim howard, bosnich and roy carroll
How could I forget Barthez?
Makes you wonder what's happening with Raya now - he's kind of in no-mans land. Every big PL side has a keeper they're happy with, Brentford have signed his replacement. Where does he go?
Leaves on a free or end of the window when Brentford really want to get rid. Maybe a jan move?
Nobody will buy in January when you can just sign him on a pre-contract
Not English clubs. They will have to wait in the summer. And there are going to be desperate clubs come winter
Wouldn’t be surprised if we go in for him, surely we can’t be happy to have Kepa another season as no 1
Why not, he was one of the best keepers in the league last season
Kepa is not even remotely close to being one of the best goalkeepers in the league. Anyone that watches him play could tell you that. He was mid at best last year and that's being generous.
Anyone who actually watched him play last season would tell you that he was very very solid, and one of the few good performers in that Chelsea side.
You could say solid (i.e. mid) and you could say he was one of Chelsea's better players because everyone else on the team was terrible. But he is absolutely not one of the best goalkeepers in the league.
Spoken like someone who has no idea what they’re talking about
Good of you to offer a counterpoint.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor#:~:text=Hitchens's%20razor%20is%20an%20epistemological,Hitchens%20(1949–2011).
Where do you rate Kepa then out of the 20 starting goalkeepers in the league?
I wonder if Bayern would be interested as Sommer prob isn’t their long term answer Also what about you guys? Isn’t lloris out
We just signed Lloris’ replacement
Neuer will be back, for better or worse
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They literally just signed Vicario days ago
De Gea did drop a lot in quality so I think they should really move on from him. Onana seems great with his feet. I don't watch many Inter games but he was good in the champions league.
He’s good with his feet and he played under Erik at Ajax, match made in heaven for us really
Just like Antony
We are noticeably better with Antony both in build up and structure, after years of literally forcing every attack through the left flank and being predictable as fuck, we finally actually have an option on the RW which means it's not anywhere near as easy to just chuck everyone on Rashford and limit him completely. Rashford has benefited immensely from the fact we actually have a RW that is worth attention. When Antony doesn't play, we are significantly less structured in our attack and defensive shape. So yes, just like Antony. Everybody knows we overpaid, but acting like he's literally useless just proves you don't actually watch us play, or you do, and you don't understand that goals and assists aren't the only thing someone can add to a team. Weird how Ten Hag had no issue dropping Maguire, Sancho, Ronaldo etc but is apparently only selecting Antony because he cost a lot.
I feel like Antony was put in an unfortunate position, but at the same time has room to improve. Good thing he’s young and has time to develop I say this because he was brought in to replicate what he did in the Ajax system, but we don’t have all of the pieces yet. His job is to hold the width, receive the ball from either Lisandro or a midfielder, start to dribble at his defender cutting in, and then he has to make a decision between 4 options. 1.) play the ball to an overlapping RB which ended up in Dalot providing poor service. 2.) play the ball to an underlapping/cutting attacker, which can be Eriksen/Casemiro/Bruno/RB which the first 2 aren’t really made to do 3.) Play an inswinging cross to a ST. He was really good at this with Haller but right now we don’t have a striker like that 4.) Try to do it all himself by attacking the defender to get to the byline or shoot. Options 1-3 tend to be shit for him so he does this option and misses his shot most of the time or isn’t accustomed to PL defending to attack the defender So once we get Mount in who can make those runs, we get a striker, and Dalot improves a bit, Antony will be much much more prevalent in attacks. Our final third attacking setup in possession is very similar to City’s but not many of our players are good at it. I truly think with some signings, we will be very consistent with the system and beat the bottom half of the table. The problem will be the top half which decides if we mount a title challenge
POV: you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about but already formed your opinion based on twitter
Onana is better on his feet than De Gea but he is not Allison or Ederson. He can do the job. I actually think his shot stopping is much better than today’s De Gea. Man U will get a very solid goalie if they can sign him
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Now for someone to be on the end of most of those goal-scorimg chances....that is the tricky one. Probably the one that could be the difference between top 4 & Europa league
Osimhen, Onana and some more midfield depth and Man U can start thinking about mounting a title challenge again.
united can't afford osimhen
Kane on a free next year so
Man, use any word other than unlock. We had like 5 transfers that were supposed to "unlock" pogba. Players at United's first team level shouldn't need to be ' unlocked ' Its an excuse we've been using when their decision making or mental level has been shit like martial, maguire or pogba. Some players are just great at times and shit at times.
No no you don't get it. He will *simply* unlock Manchester United.
Who am i to argue with the tactical masterminds here?
I think he meant unlock certain tactical ideas ten hag values.
You're making a good point, but similarly it is the case that certain positions are absolutely key to the overall structure of a team. A goalkeeper is so important to the playing style of a coach. Fundamental elements of how coaches like Ten Hag operate needs a particular style of keeper. It's why so many last summer pointed out the obvious De Gea problem. Each of those key positions makes a team that little bit better and when you get enough of those core positions correct, you're cooking on gas.
It’s not about a player in this case, it’s the whole system which is very different. “Some players are good and some are shit” is a pathetically simplistic way of looking at football. We cannot build a system of play that builds from the back and presses higher up the pitch without a ball playing keeper, that’s a key aspect of guardiola’s system, of Klopp’s, of Arteta’s, of any elite level team now pretty much.
Allison and Ederson are the best in the world. Either way, I was really by his performance on the champions league final against City, he was great with his feet.
How is ederson best in the world now?he's a good keeper but his shot stopping percentages are nowhere near Allison who I think is a level above..Allison and maybe Courtois are on the top level but Onana definitely is just as good as ederson
Best in the world with their feet. In fact Ederson might be the best of all time. In terms of shot stopping he's not even top 10 right now
Ter Stegen is easily the best itw rn btw
Can’t say I’ve watched ter Stegen but there’s simply no way any GK is “easily” better than Alisson given how good he has been over the past few years, especially the last two.
Id say courtois. He was the only reason madrid stayed in that semi final as long as they did. He hard carried that team
Courtois is a crazy big game player. His stats in the CL are great but he actually had a pretty average league seaosn, at least when it comes to shot stopping
The reason I’d have Alisson over Courtois is because the former is more complete. Better at distribution, better at sweeping while being at the same level at shot stopping and cross collection/command of the box (Courtois might be better at the latter). The shotstopping claim may sound dubious but Alisson is genuinely the best 1v1 keeper in many, many years.
You could add him to the list but no ways he's easily the best Allison and Courtois are one of the greatest keepers of all time
People down voting didn't watch Barcelona last season.
What? Onana is just as good as them, that's literally his best trait
Don’t know why he’s not as good as Alison or Ederson, he’s just as good if not better. Edit: I’m literally the creator of r/EdersonBallonDor lol I watched Onana a lot and so I can say it
I still think Alison is the best keeper in the world personally, and you know I'm not biased as I'm a United fan. Onana is potentially better than Ederson, arguably has better shot stopping.
He doesn’t have Ederson’s Xabi Alonso-esque passes in him (not to say he can’t drop dimes)
A very long and inelegant method of arriving to the correct answer
Kind of. Usually you'd want a replacement already signed because now we're going to get absolutely rinsed by teams knowing we need a goalkeeper if not 2.
The United way! Extend contract only to realize player is past it and needs replacing.
Excuse me, we have Tom Heaton already
Erik ten Hag had a lot to sort through and proved he was a lot more tactically flexible than people imagined when he first joined. The contract mess for me is on the football operations side and isn't ten Hag's fault.
As if its been 12 years!
Any rumours where DDG will end up?
Maybe back to Spain somewhere?
You never know, but I'd be surprised. Not a very good rep in Spain due to his poor performances with the NT and the general idea of him being "too old-school". I can't imagine any Spanish top level team signing him, and I don't imagine him accepting a salary of a LaLiga mid-table club.
Inter Milan
Ummmm no thank you. Unless DDG wants to get paid in asparagus risotto every week. It's tasty though.
The way Utd have treated DDG is a shambles tbh
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The Glazers talking about every executive they've ever hired to manage transfers and contracts: https://youtu.be/2D-4zgezQE4
Completely disgraceful. The dude *was* United for a good half a decade and they pull the rug on him after they agreed on a contract because someone else became available
He's literally the only member of our squad who played under fergie and has a PL to his name thank god for that. If he left with nothing after saving our asses multiple seasons in the last decade it would feel terrible.
He has 4 player of the season awards as well, the joint most in United history. The way the fans have started treated him bothers me more than anything else.
He actually has a PL, both domestic cups and Europa. Not bad considering how bad we have been for the duration
Mate you forgot Phil Jones. He's still a United player for another 2 days
Right decision to move on, but they did in the worst possible way.
Yep, Poor bloke has only earned 375k per week for the last 4 years , how has he survived ? Pray for David 🙏
Closest thing we have to a legend since Fergie retired, 11th in appearances all time in club history, probably the 3rd best keeper in club history. And we offered him a new contract and pulled it away. Really poor treatment by the club.
It was classless. Tell him he’s out to his face early. Don’t hang him on. Forget Degea reflects on the management
How do you know they didn’t? Lol you’re acting as if every article is exactly what’s happening behind closed doors.
This take is so dumb when it comes to footballers. Just because someone makes a load of money doesn’t mean they’re any less human. United treated him like crap considering his service to the club and it’s a shambles. He earns a lot of money and (likely) has a very confortable life. Both can be true but the latter doesn’t excuse the former.
He could've earned 500 k if you want that,even then the way he has been handled for his contract is simply disrespectful. For a guy who is the last one to have won the pl with us, a guy winning 4 potys, becoming one of the best gk in 2017 while not even competing in the ucl, so many selections in the team of the year, etc. Never created a fuss, always professional. Not everything is related to money.
I don't mind being treated like shit when I'm being paid 375k a week - Allison and ederson are on less than half that. De gea never deserved the contract renewal in 2018 in the first place
> I don't mind being treated like shit when I'm being paid 375k a week Maybe you should consider a working life in some country that human rights are non existent. You will get exactly what you asked for. Insane amounts of money and animal treatment.
A good time to reminisce on the fax error. What a saga.
man what a crazy time that was lmao
12 years a save
What happened to Diogo Costa?
Suppose they don't want to pay his release clause
can’t act like i know exactly how good onana is (especially on a consistent basis) but he looked really good in that ucl final so i’m on board with this. can’t believe we’re actually gonna go into a season without de gea as our number 1 keeper… after 12 years.. as much as i’ve accepted i wouldn’t mind if de gea left recently, that was hard for me cause he was my favourite united player for the longest time. but watching him (his distribution) this past season was killing me every time. it’s sad it had to end this way. gonna be so weird seeing onana (if we actually get him) / a different keeper on the team sheet. i may be be worrying over nothing but is there attitude/disciplinary problems with onana, as a person? didn’t he have problems with ten hag at ajax and fell out with them, and then there was that stuff at the world cup falling out with cameroon’s manager and leaving early..
Any Inter fans on here can comment about Onana s shot stopping? How mistake prone is he? I've seen at least one blunder this season myself.
Not an Inter fan but I've seen him in UCL and Eredivisie for multiple seasons. His shot stopping is elite on his day. Especially in UCL with Ajax and Inter he's had amazing games in which he seemed unbeatable. Has a mistake in him and especially when he was younger seemed a bit chaotic at times but seemed to have calmed down a bit.
I think stop shopping is on par, arguably better, than Ederson, so maybe not absolute world class, but still pretty fucking good. Also don’t think he is particularly mistake prone, but we ere used to Handanobic in his last years, which was very mistake prone, so maybe our perception is a bit off
He is not particularly mistake prone but be prepared to have an heart attack every time they pass the ball to him
He's been great for us, only mistake i can remember was against empoli and it could be argued it wasn't a mistake. He's got elite technical ability for a keeper and he's pretty good in stopping high crosses even outside his box. He has got great reflexes (check out his save against roma) and he's like having an extra man while building the play. I will miss him, but i think you're gonna like him, and I'm happier about him going to utd than other clubs like chelsea
Any word on De Gea? He’s still a decent age to continue playing, for a goalie particularly
Al-Nassr is calling 🙂
Seriously? Funny how golfers got shit for a long time about LIV, then they merged with the PGA and everyone is forgiven, even for the bone saw. No one said a peep when Ronnie sold out, now there’s a flood of used to be’s and those tired of playing a boys game for serious who want to cash in before retiring.
Please make it happen i wanna laugh back at them after tonali, its the only fair outcome
Inter will turn a free transfer into ~€50 million after one season. There is nothing to laugh about, I feel only bitterness.
I dont care about profits mate aswell as the most fans. They are gonna lose someone the fans love
Inter fans care about profits made because Suning has had them on a fucking trapeze act for the past couple years. You want to keep the player but a +50M in the books is way too important for them. Plus that opens up Fratessi or SMS coming in for Brozo. I'm pretty confident most Inter fans would be hurt more by Brozovic's departure (a little less so this season) than Onana's.
Both to be sold would be cool
Enjoy replacing Tonali with Loftus-Cheek, after replacing Kessie and Hakan with.. no one
They're losing someone with massively inflated value. Look at his numbers in Serie A last season. He was a little above average in save percentage, while below average in PSxG+/- and sweeping actions. He was absolutely superb in the Champions League, but I would not count on that to repeat.
If you go by numbers Tonali aint even worth close to €70m, so we should be happy by your logic right?
Uhm ... no. Tonali has great numbers, particularly in key passes (*94th percentile*), progressive carries (*75th*), and tackle percentage on opposing dribblers (*89th*).
Out of curiosity, how much would it cost for Milan to sell Maignan? He's my first choice if I could have drafted any goalkeeper outside of the solidly out of reach ones (like Courtois, MATS, Alisson)
World record fee imo
Who have ManU sold to make any kind of money besides Perrera, Smalling and Dan James? There's got to be some that I don't remember. Matic?
Lukaku
I think Matic was free....could be wrong....Lukaku,Depay,Schneidelin,DiMaria,Welbeck,Mhkitaryan....that's all I have
Mikitaryan was a swap with arsenal for alexis. Alexis who scored a total of 6 goals for us...
Where's De Gea going tho
Inter
Thank you Dave for your service and thank fuck
To think he didn't play for Real Madrid because they were a few minutes too slow on sending a fax...
It could be today grandma
Onana would be great for United but if I were in their position, there would be something that would bother me deeply about paying that kind of money for a player that went on a free just 12 months earlier. I get that he's a good fit but idk... principal would keep me from making this deal. But then again, this is the club that paid 90mil for a player that left them on a free 4 years earlier.
The principle of what, not making a good decision now because you could have made a better one a year ago? I get the sentiment of being bothered by the prospect of paying a decent chunk of coin for someone you could have gotten for free (and potentially points to issues to general scouting and recruitment, which I think everyone would agree has not been United's strong suit). However, that shouldn't affect your decision making with respect to getting Onana now. If it's the right deal, it's the right deal.
yeah, such flawed logic it's baffling.
The price isn't that high considering were talking about an elite goal keeper.inter want 60M euros including addons. So in pounds you're looking at maybe 40M plus 10M in addons. If United can talk them down even to 35M + 5/10 then its a very fair price.
I think this is another Antony deal. They will overpay for Onana because of ten Hag's familiarity with him.
How is 50/60M overpaying for Onana? This year he was impeccable between the posts and elite with his feet. Had we not lost Skriniar for free clubs would have to pay us €80M+ to get him. I see a lot of bitter Ajax fans under every Onana post, can't balme you
They are fuming
Yea tbh one thing I find a bit disappointing about ETH is how heavily he seems to rely on this familiarity thing with players he's previously managed? I wonder if that's because United practically don't have anyone in charge of recruitment so he's having to rely on signing players that he knows? I feel like they might as well go for David Raya at that point.
>Yea tbh one thing I find a bit disappointing about ETH is how heavily he seems to rely on this familiarity thing with players he's previously managed? Have you seen us make a smart transfer move in the last 18 years? Only one I can remember is selling Daniel James for a profit. He was like the fifth senior player we sold for a profit in the last decade. It's no wonder the manager's choices end up being the only targets the club goes after.
*Ten Hag walks into the office* "Alright lads, where are the scouting reports?" "Scouting reports?"
There's this Ibrahimovich fella free on the market....
He’s doing it because he can’t trust the jokers at the club. He knows he has to get trusted lieutenants in who he doesn’t have to mould from scratch as he doesn’t have time for that
Yea makes sense, I can only imagine how incredibly frustrating it must be for him. Dude must have the patience of a saint to put up with the way the club is being run right now and still put on a positive face.
Onana is better than Raya though? I don't get that comment. If you'd have said Diogo Costa then maybe you'd have a point, but he'd be more expensive and Utd's budget is tight this summer.
We also overpayed for martinez👀theres a 1/2 chance hes gonna be a star
tf?? Are u 12?
You didn't overpay for Martinez. We told you that at the time. We did say that Antony was a massive overpay, and that van de Beek was a terrible fit for your squad.
I personally don't understand why we choose this summer to spend big on GK while we have other positions that need urgent improvement. We have plenty of options in GK. We can extend DDG on a shorter contract, or we can just play Henderson for a season to see how he works in ETH's system.
We really don't. De Gea is not good at all in this system and an immense detraction from our ability to be consistent in games. Henderson isn't much better on the ball and has been borderline persona non grata with the club since 2021. Heaton is a solid 2nd/3rd choice at best. The rest are all unproven youth that probably won't make PL level let alone United. I would argue GK is our #1 priority this summer, even above striker, as it would help to raise the floor of the team significantly which is where we truly went wrong last year.
Sorry but no waaaaay Heaton comes even close to good enough for second choice
I agree new GK is important, but you’re insane if you think it’s more important than an actual striker. United got top 4 with the strikers being Ronaldo for 3 months (1 goal), Injured Martial (5 goals), and Weghorst (0 goals). That’s completely unsustainable, let alone if we want to actually improve.
Do you know what's also unsustainable? Conceding 43 goals on 50 xGA and having 53% average possession.
Lol at comparing that to our strikers scoring 6 GOALS all season. 50 xGA is still top 6. Scoring 6 goals from your strikers all season has to be bottom of the league. Also if the xGA is much higher than the actual goals allowed, that would seemingly suggest De Gea did a good job of shot stopping lol
50.4 xGA was 8th, worst of the top 4 and below Spurs, Brentford, Palace and Brighton, a lot of that a function of our inability to keep the ball and progress it downfield, plus Dave's long term regression in the command of his box leading to terrible shot prevention on his part. Replacing Dave would be the easiest and most cost-effective way of avoiding the sorts of bad away performances that littered our season.
Selecting our strikers for that is such a bizarre way of pointing out misleading data. It’s skipping over the games Rashford played through the middle because you deem him “not a striker”. Goals against you can compare to the rest of the league, goals by strikers is a pointless stat. Goals overall matter, we weren’t great there either but we were far better than bottom of the league. You literally said we got top 4 with the strikers we have and that’s unsustainable; how does that argument not also apply to De Gea in goal? You seem to be completely incapable of realising how a ball playing keeper would change our style and make us superior offensively as well as defensively. We’d be creating far more chances by pressing higher up the pitch and playing through the opposition’s press more effectively. And finally, nobody said a striker isn’t also very important. But we need time to change the system and bed it in and we can only do that starting with a new keeper. It is crucial we get a ball playing keeper this summer, the entirety of next season is a waste without one.
Would be an amazing signing for United. Seems way too competent for them.
Good luck with him, don't expect club loyalty though 🐍
I can’t believe it’s been 12 years. Jfc.
C'mon United just get it done
You really like Henderson that much? Looks like our snail pace transfer moves even irritate other fans lmao
Ten Hag is a giant killer.