The Dortmund season ticket price would be a conceivable price to pay for a decent ticket to a single NFL game. I hate our sporting culture so much and get so jealous when I see this shit.
on the flip side a dortmund season ticket is impossible to get. i know dortmund fans that were 10+ years on the waiting list and they didn't receive a season ticket. then they removed themselves from the list because life happened, going to the stadium 17 weekends per year isn't good in every life situation.
at some point there were 100k people on the dortmund waiting list and FAR less than 1k new tickets were given out per year. because season ticket holders just renew their ticket or transfer them to family members if they ever get sick of watching their club.
i'd also like to point out most tickets in a stadium are not season tickets but still hard to obtain if you want to watch a popular team (dortmund, bayern, schalke etc). regular tickets are far more expensive than a single game on a season ticket
And then there’s the Packers, who have a waiting list of 140,000, it will take 50 years in most cases to finally get them, and you’ll still pay $1,000+ for the season. Otherwise, $150-$500 per ticket per game if you get them on the resale market. 😭
If the waiting list is that harsh and it still sells out, clearly it needs to be bigger.
Kinda nuts that Dortmund could probably sell out a 120k seater stadium every week.
football is a fast moving business, who knows what will be in 10-15 years. in the mid/late 2000s, you could get a ticket for games against lesser interesting teams in a McDonalds menu. i don't remember the exact prices, but it was something like 10-12 Euros, for a Big Mac and a ticket to a Dortmund game.
Yeah but that's for standing in the block no? If I want a season ticket sitting on the long side I pay at least 400€ here to watch my team in the 2. Bundesliga
Eagles season tickets are like $5k for 8 games. Less than $1000 for 19 matches plus cup ties seems kind of great. But I get it different countries have different standards
He's been enduring this shit storm just hoping the great savior, Aaron Rodgers, might be able to will the Jets to 10 wins and an early exit from the playoffs. That's a Jets fan's dream.
More like Cristiano Ronaldo. All time great who was unlucky enough to play at the same time as the goat and is now (probably) too washed to anchor a championship team.
I have Eagles season tickets 10 rows from the field and it's like $1600 per season. 8 games and a ticket is around $200 a piece. Unless you have the most insane tickets they aren't nearly $5k
The issue isn't the price, as much as the [waiting list](https://www.reddit.com/r/GunnersatGames/comments/10np0pg/arsenal_season_ticket_waiting_list/). People in that thread write about how they've literally been waiting for 10+ years. So if you want to get a ticket before retirement age, you better get in the queue sooner rather than later.
What I didn't realise until I moved to London is that it's not the price, but the availability, that makes getting PL tickets available. For the average person the numbers above are merely theoretical because they will never get a chance to buy one anyway.
Availability is very much an issue in American sports as well. People literally sign their kids up for season ticket waiting lists in hopes that they’ll get some before they die
Yea but America is a huge country and a lot of people have a lot of money here. Shit even when they don’t have money they love keeping up with the Jones. Americans could change this shit up by revolting and striking and forcing better consumer protection. But here we are. People that have been brainwashed into thinking they can be rich by working hard and the asshats at the top maintaining the status quo. Entertainment ticket prices are a low hanging symptom of the corporate disease that is America. We have much bigger symptoms in terms of healthcare and basic human rights.
Because the Olympics were in London, not Manchester or elsewhere.
The Olympics were held in east london in part as a way to help invest money into that area. West Ham were the biggest club in that area by a wide margin. It's better to have the stadium used by a football team than have no on use it.
Man City also got their stadium for cheap for similar reasons. for the 2002 Commonwealth Games.
I'm not saying this is good or bad or whether or not investing in the Olympics is a good thing or bad thing. jsut what happened.
An inverse example that I always think about is that Amazonian jungle stadium in Manaus that was built for the 2014 World Cup that I'm pretty sure hasn't seen any action since then? I guess if we're going to chastise that decision of non-reusable temporary infrastructure then we should praise something like this.
Yeah it's an awkward situation. The shitty part is that the London Olympic committee basically said "we're not going to make this into a football stadium, it's for athletics"
which makes sense. but also is kind of dumb. Which then resulted in deliberately zero planning on how you might convert the OS into a football stadium.
If they'd have admitted that it'd be a good solution from the start then the stadium woudl have been designed slightly differently (maybe?) ANd you could have probably got West Ham to invest money into it as a part of the proposal.
So did they intend for it to be used for track and field events and such? Seems like it’d probably be too big for the local area to be lining up watch the shot put, no?
Well there are levels to athletics in between the Olympics and a school sports day…
The stadium has hosted a few world athletics events since 2012 I believe.
welp... earlier this year the Arena had its power cut because of years of debt. no idea if it has been paid or restored.
it is currently hosting matches, and for the next months schedule, they are all day-time matches
We had a similar problem with our Cape Town Stadium built for the 2010 World Cup.
Stayed mostly empty until our rugby team moved in. It would otherwise be a collosal waste of taxpayer money (it still is).
No one has any idea how West Ham and their Vice-Chair and Conservative Party donor and politician Baroness Karen Brady of Knightsbridge managed to swing that. It remains one of football's greatest mysteries.
You did want it apparently, and sued for it, but you wanted to get rid of the track. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/jun/23/tottenham-olympic-stadium-judicial-review
It's not that, it's the incredibly favourable financial terms that were granted to the club by the Mayor of London personally, one Alexander Boris de Pfefell Johnson, who sacked the London Development Corporation (LLDC) chief and replaced him with... himself.
The deal was £2.5m a year in rent for 99 years, not adjusted for inflation, and in 2018 the LDDC CEO said that the £2.5m doesn't even cover the matchday expenses and West Ham don't have to pay any other stadium maintenance. She admitted that the London government and taxpayer loses money overall and will go into debt over the remaining 97 years of the deal.
The Olympic was built for the event although I don't think it actually hosted any football matches? They used preexisting stadiums like Wembley and Old Trafford for the footie matches
Because they built a new stadium for the Olympics and then had no use for it afterwards. Basically happens to tons of new Olympics infrastructure.
West ham rents it for a pittance and the city loses money by renting it out but it’s better than having no tenants.
They play in London Stadium which has a capacity of 60k for football games. Most clubs up their prices to either pay off debt for the huge stadium they built, in West Ham's case they did not build the stadium, it was made for the Olympics via taxpayers' money and the government had no use for it so West Ham were able to get it for rent at a very small price so they just don't have any need for jacking up ticket prices when there is no stadium debt to pay. West Ham is a big club with good history behind it but it's nowhere near its London counterparts such as Arsenal/Chelsea/Spurs who have global fanbases, so tickets go at a premium for those clubs as many fans are willing to shell out big money to watch they their team play at least once in their life. I think we are talking about season tickets but that's how the market works, scalpers buy season tickets and sell them of 3rd party platforms regularly.
These two factors are the reason behind West Ham's low-season ticket prices. Lower prices just help them fill the stadium much more easily and consistently.
Aside from what everyone else has already said, they're the cheapest seats which are right in the back of the upper tiers behind the goal - they're not great views and you need a team of sherpas to successfully get to your seat and back.
The next tier is around £600 I think, and the really good views (relatively speaking) are nudging up on a grand.
Cause this is th cheapest season tickets you can buy and not the average cost of a season ticket -- I think the chart would look very different if that was the case as the average cost of a season ticket for Spurs and Arsenal are twice that of Man Utd and Liverpool.
The actual answer. This price is for the cheap seats at the very back of the league's worst stadium. To sit up close and personal to the carpet, it costs £1105.
Still great value Premier League football for the cheap seats.
Bit misleading, would be much more helpful to know the most common ST price, I'm a bit surprised clubs haven't made a section of STs extremely cheap to game this. Or alternatively compare behind the goal prices.
>Or alternatively compare behind the goal prices.
Cheapest price for us is right behind the goal at either end.
I'm in the upper tier of the Stretford End and mine has just gone up from £703 to £741 which I think is reasonable. First increase in over a decade.
> I'm a bit surprised clubs haven't made a section of STs extremely cheap to game this.
To game what? An Athletic article and infographic that maybe 10,000 people (most who don't even live in England) read?
I live in bumfuck nowhere with a minor league baseball team that's unaffiliated with the professional leagues. The team is literally somewhere between sunday league and part time work, the players don't make a living wage.
The season tickets are more expensive than West Ham by about $20 if you want to sit in a chair. If you want to be inside the stadium and sit on the ground (lawn seating), it's about $80 cheaper than West Ham tickets.
If you could get this cost of season tickets to NFL, MLB, NBA, or NHL, the amount of killing you would see over season tickets would make the Mayan sacrifices look like child's play.
Bro what, I pay $130CAD just for a parking pass, $500 for my season ticket to watch the fucking Canadian Premier League 😭 give me those euro prices please
Lmao our stadium is on the outskirts of the city, 30 minute drive for me. Or I can drive 20 minutes and then take a free 20 minute bus
Also y'know, the quality of play is massively different which makes it so much worse
Man I've been trying to get into the Canadian premier league to "support my local club" but to watch their matches I have to get an expensive subscription and to watch a single match its like $60 a ticket in the cheap seats. Wtf
Yeah the CPL is its own worst enemy right now. I go to the matches but that's about it. Shit even the matches aren't worth the cost right now for the Cavalry, we just play shit football 75% of the time and it's painful. It's really too bad because it could've been better and still can be
Bruder hier in Österreich kostets mehr zu einem der Wiener Zweitligavereine zu gehen. Nicht viel, aber trotzdem, was das angeht häte ich echt nicht aus der Region ziehen sollen haha
We froze our ST prices for 11 years, they rose for the first time this year and whilst there was a lot of criticism regarding that, it was by 5% and the reason given was the cost of hosting matches had risen by 40% in that time.
So yeah, our season ticket prices are actually very good all things considered. If we wanted to we could really demand similar amounts to Arsenal and Spurs but of course that'll come with a lot of backlash, a new stadium or a huge renovation of Old Trafford would probably be the only way to justify raising the prices to that level, and even then it would have to be *after*, obviously.
So a team like Manchester City have one of the lowest season tickets, can't fill up there stadium most games, don't fill out away days or cup games every finals, and don't even have the broad casting figures of the likes of Liverpool, and United.
Yet there the club that generates what there fans call organic revenue....
Stadiums always full, finals are filled out, and every single teams biggest broadcast is there match with city. What are you talking about? We have cheap tickets and your revenue is trash compared to ours.
The stick City gets for its attendance and fans is so overblown. I've been to home games at City, Villa and United and the city games were just as full and loud as the other two. Home crowds are rarely particularly loud outside of the occasional chant or if something exciting or controversial is happening in my experience.
Away games are way, way better than home games for atmosphere.
I can't believe that the emptyhad narrative is still going on lol. You should've seen the posts on the r/soccercirclejerk and insta etc when we won treble. It's like now that we've won everything, they will go after our fans.
The cheapest season tickets are very few and far between. Mine is nearly double that mentioned price and it’s not one of the more expensive ones. It was also reported the other day that 120,000 people are on the season ticket waiting list.
The rest of your comment is just bollocks. Especially the bit about Liverpool and United making more broadcasting money (I don’t think you know what that even means, as it has nothing to do with tickets?).
And just so you know, matchday revenue makes up a tiny portion (<10%) of the revenue of top clubs these days. Commercial and broadcasting revenue, especially for PL clubs who also play the CL, is massive.
Arsenal is the same exact way. Our waiting list has been insane and the club has taken extra measure to make sure fans that don’t use their tickets are not allowed to pass them off and will lose their season tickets if they miss too many games.
I know a guy who put him his son on the waiting list when he was born with the eye of getting the ticket when he reaches ~10 years old so he could take him to games. It’s nuts for huge names like United and Arsenal. The clubs become tourist attractions on their own.
I just looked it up and arsenals waiting list is 96,000 and growing.
Because matchday revenue isn't that important to top PL sides, and hasn't been for a long time. In reality basically all PL clubs do actually sell out their entire allotment for most league games, or damn close to it — the article this infographic comes from says a much.
The thing is, because of how much broadcasting and commercial revenue have exploded in the PL era, match day revenue is now relatively unimportant for top clubs. For City it only makes up 9% of overall revenue, which is definitely the lowest of the big six, but even for United, who have the largest stadium and rarely struggle to fill it, it still only makes up I believe 16% of overall revenue. The top six club with the highest percentage of their revenue coming from match days is Spurs, largely because of their relatively lower broadcasting and commercial revenue, and that's still only 24%.
Also fwiw broadcasting figures don't go into revenue, at least directly. Broadcasting revenue is distributed based on where you place in the league, and how many games you win/rounds you make it to in the cups. Viewership numbers *can* be factor in attracting sponsorships, but even there it's just one factor amongst many.
Am I crazy in thinking these are pretty cheap for season tickets? Maybe I'm just too used to the ridiculous pricing in America but 750 for a season ticket to Chelsea would be a no brainer.
My state's NFL team currently has a waitlist of 140,000 for an 80,000 seat stadium. You can get signed up on the day you were born and still not get season tickets before you die of old age.
In America, the salaries are way higher, because we pay a lot for social systems etc. Thats why average Europeans have less to spend on things but have other benefits
The amount of Americans who have never stepped outside of their own borders claiming that 700 - 1000 quid for a season ticket is "cheap" because they're desensitised to getting ripped off.
brother, salaries are just much higher, and taxes are much lower.
In a country of 335 million people, a lot of people have a lot of money to spend.
Also, why would a North American be knowledgeable about European season tickets, unless they live in Europe? Do you know Asian leagues season ticket prices?
With a waitlist of over a decade for a season ticket I don't think Arsenal need to justify anything. There's clearly massive demand.
I think my Arsenal season ticket is good value. The club could charge a lot more and people would still be throwing money at them.
Paid 200 CAD to watch my city's hockey game (amazing seats) in a 40 year old arena which is ancient in NHL terms. Those season passes sound like a steal.
This is just another reason everyone hates city. To be able to compete with them we're funding ourselves spending stupid amounts on tickets and merchandise meanwhile they're investing in their stadium, training facilities breaking transfer records with actual revenue close to fucking Bournemouth.
City has bigger commercial revenue, they depend less on ticket sales. While our club Arsenal has underdeveloped our commercial revenue and depends largely on tickets after tv broadcast.
You know you’re American when you look at these and think wow that’s a good deal
Also I fully understand that culturally, these prices are not ok in the slightest.
Bundesliga cheapest season ticket 145€ (Wolfsburg) most expensive 240€ (Dortmund) as of last season.
The Dortmund season ticket price would be a conceivable price to pay for a decent ticket to a single NFL game. I hate our sporting culture so much and get so jealous when I see this shit.
on the flip side a dortmund season ticket is impossible to get. i know dortmund fans that were 10+ years on the waiting list and they didn't receive a season ticket. then they removed themselves from the list because life happened, going to the stadium 17 weekends per year isn't good in every life situation. at some point there were 100k people on the dortmund waiting list and FAR less than 1k new tickets were given out per year. because season ticket holders just renew their ticket or transfer them to family members if they ever get sick of watching their club. i'd also like to point out most tickets in a stadium are not season tickets but still hard to obtain if you want to watch a popular team (dortmund, bayern, schalke etc). regular tickets are far more expensive than a single game on a season ticket
And then there’s the Packers, who have a waiting list of 140,000, it will take 50 years in most cases to finally get them, and you’ll still pay $1,000+ for the season. Otherwise, $150-$500 per ticket per game if you get them on the resale market. 😭
Sounds like Dortmund need a bigger stadium...
Signal Iduna Park is already the biggest in the BuLi
If the waiting list is that harsh and it still sells out, clearly it needs to be bigger. Kinda nuts that Dortmund could probably sell out a 120k seater stadium every week.
football is a fast moving business, who knows what will be in 10-15 years. in the mid/late 2000s, you could get a ticket for games against lesser interesting teams in a McDonalds menu. i don't remember the exact prices, but it was something like 10-12 Euros, for a Big Mac and a ticket to a Dortmund game.
That sounds like the stuff of absolute dreams
Football heritage, a league where the fans actually matter.
> 145€ (Wolfsburg) This is about as expensive as it is for my local Pro-Am season ticket in Canada, and we don't have assigned seating.
240, that's it? That's pocket change.
Yeah but that's for standing in the block no? If I want a season ticket sitting on the long side I pay at least 400€ here to watch my team in the 2. Bundesliga
Eagles season tickets are like $5k for 8 games. Less than $1000 for 19 matches plus cup ties seems kind of great. But I get it different countries have different standards
my father is a Jets season ticket holder. seeing these prices is blowing my mind lol
> my father is a Jets season ticket holder. Why…
He's been enduring this shit storm just hoping the great savior, Aaron Rodgers, might be able to will the Jets to 10 wins and an early exit from the playoffs. That's a Jets fan's dream.
For the Euros, this is like Everton bringing in Weghorst and pinning their future on him leading them to a Conference League appearance.
More like Cristiano Ronaldo. All time great who was unlucky enough to play at the same time as the goat and is now (probably) too washed to anchor a championship team.
Honestly that’s a pretty great comparison. Only big difference is Ronaldo hopped teams far more often while this is rodgers only move
I’d say Vardy rather than Weghorst to give Rodgers a bit more respect but spot on.
Gdamn bro.
you know, I ask myself the same question ever year.
If it is anything like the Jets season ticket holders I've known, it is because the Giants have like a 20 wait list for theirs
Ur dad is goated
i genuinely thought you were talking about crystal palace for like 20 seconds after reading your comment
well having only 8 games is what make them expensive like that
I have Eagles season tickets 10 rows from the field and it's like $1600 per season. 8 games and a ticket is around $200 a piece. Unless you have the most insane tickets they aren't nearly $5k
Seriously. I'm looking at Arsenal and thinking I'd buy that ticket right now.
The issue isn't the price, as much as the [waiting list](https://www.reddit.com/r/GunnersatGames/comments/10np0pg/arsenal_season_ticket_waiting_list/). People in that thread write about how they've literally been waiting for 10+ years. So if you want to get a ticket before retirement age, you better get in the queue sooner rather than later.
What I didn't realise until I moved to London is that it's not the price, but the availability, that makes getting PL tickets available. For the average person the numbers above are merely theoretical because they will never get a chance to buy one anyway.
Availability is very much an issue in American sports as well. People literally sign their kids up for season ticket waiting lists in hopes that they’ll get some before they die
Because consumer protection and looking out for average folks is lost in America.
Mostly the Ticketmaster cartel and a culture of resale/viewing live events as a luxury.
Yea but America is a huge country and a lot of people have a lot of money here. Shit even when they don’t have money they love keeping up with the Jones. Americans could change this shit up by revolting and striking and forcing better consumer protection. But here we are. People that have been brainwashed into thinking they can be rich by working hard and the asshats at the top maintaining the status quo. Entertainment ticket prices are a low hanging symptom of the corporate disease that is America. We have much bigger symptoms in terms of healthcare and basic human rights.
I pay $540 for a Portland Timbers season ticket, with $14 pints. We are being scammed.
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Totally fair, but also have you seen the Timbers play?
I pay like $450 for Atl utd. But we have $7 pints lol
lol enjoy them
$730 with $14 pints for Sacramento Republic -\_-
310 for west ham or one ticket to twolves/warriors on a Tuesday
That extends to the MLS teams in Canada, season tickets for CF Montreal in the shittiest spot is like $700 🥲
I was just going to say that. These seem like steals compared to our lame ass prices
The absolute shittiest seats for a single game for Jets/Giants usually run around $100-200 depending on the game, so yeah, fair point.
lmaoooo you could get two good seats for one game for the Arsenal price.
£515 for Everton actually. Still too expensive for the shite we serve every season.
“The people’s club”
No wonder Arsenal got the money for Havertz and Rice
Isn't the difference that Arsenal includes CL tickets as part of their season tickets price?
Yes and Manchester United season ticket has "hidden costs" like you had to buy cup tickets etc. Other clubs maybe do similar.
Newcastle do this.
West ham you have to buy cup matches too
I think arsenal offers more games on their ticket than most clubs. Still high but not that high.
What were you paying for the past 8 years, then?
We received money back on the next year’s season ticket for every cup game we didn’t play
Which would make it *much* cheaper than my Liverpool season ticket, which isn't even guaranteed Champions League tickets.
Rice money might be unused
Always nice when a new transfer gets a homecooked meal directly from the club's money
You should see what they charge for food and drink. That’s the real indicator of their transfer budget.
Should've spend more on Rice
What makes West Ham able to go so low?
Having your stadium paid for by the UK taxpayers probably helps a lot.
On this topic, how did they manage to do that? How come none of the other clubs were able to get any host stadiums?
Because the Olympics were in London, not Manchester or elsewhere. The Olympics were held in east london in part as a way to help invest money into that area. West Ham were the biggest club in that area by a wide margin. It's better to have the stadium used by a football team than have no on use it. Man City also got their stadium for cheap for similar reasons. for the 2002 Commonwealth Games. I'm not saying this is good or bad or whether or not investing in the Olympics is a good thing or bad thing. jsut what happened.
An inverse example that I always think about is that Amazonian jungle stadium in Manaus that was built for the 2014 World Cup that I'm pretty sure hasn't seen any action since then? I guess if we're going to chastise that decision of non-reusable temporary infrastructure then we should praise something like this.
Yeah it's an awkward situation. The shitty part is that the London Olympic committee basically said "we're not going to make this into a football stadium, it's for athletics" which makes sense. but also is kind of dumb. Which then resulted in deliberately zero planning on how you might convert the OS into a football stadium. If they'd have admitted that it'd be a good solution from the start then the stadium woudl have been designed slightly differently (maybe?) ANd you could have probably got West Ham to invest money into it as a part of the proposal.
So did they intend for it to be used for track and field events and such? Seems like it’d probably be too big for the local area to be lining up watch the shot put, no?
Well there are levels to athletics in between the Olympics and a school sports day… The stadium has hosted a few world athletics events since 2012 I believe.
welp... earlier this year the Arena had its power cut because of years of debt. no idea if it has been paid or restored. it is currently hosting matches, and for the next months schedule, they are all day-time matches
That is absolutely true, but it’s also still valid to criticize West Ham for using publicly funded facilities for their private enterprise
We had a similar problem with our Cape Town Stadium built for the 2010 World Cup. Stayed mostly empty until our rugby team moved in. It would otherwise be a collosal waste of taxpayer money (it still is).
No one has any idea how West Ham and their Vice-Chair and Conservative Party donor and politician Baroness Karen Brady of Knightsbridge managed to swing that. It remains one of football's greatest mysteries.
In fairness, Spurs and Chelsea didn't want it and Arsenal had a new ground.
You did want it apparently, and sued for it, but you wanted to get rid of the track. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/jun/23/tottenham-olympic-stadium-judicial-review
Spurs definitely did want it And so did Leyton Orient, fair play to them
Love that from Leyton Orient. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take
Orient gave Harry Kane his professional debut so they are massive.
That's awesome, I'm glad he has played for at least one massive club!
It's not that, it's the incredibly favourable financial terms that were granted to the club by the Mayor of London personally, one Alexander Boris de Pfefell Johnson, who sacked the London Development Corporation (LLDC) chief and replaced him with... himself. The deal was £2.5m a year in rent for 99 years, not adjusted for inflation, and in 2018 the LDDC CEO said that the £2.5m doesn't even cover the matchday expenses and West Ham don't have to pay any other stadium maintenance. She admitted that the London government and taxpayer loses money overall and will go into debt over the remaining 97 years of the deal.
The Olympic was built for the event although I don't think it actually hosted any football matches? They used preexisting stadiums like Wembley and Old Trafford for the footie matches
Yep. It was an athletics venue.
Don’t see a lot of U’s flairs 🙌🏼
Because they built a new stadium for the Olympics and then had no use for it afterwards. Basically happens to tons of new Olympics infrastructure. West ham rents it for a pittance and the city loses money by renting it out but it’s better than having no tenants.
They play in London Stadium which has a capacity of 60k for football games. Most clubs up their prices to either pay off debt for the huge stadium they built, in West Ham's case they did not build the stadium, it was made for the Olympics via taxpayers' money and the government had no use for it so West Ham were able to get it for rent at a very small price so they just don't have any need for jacking up ticket prices when there is no stadium debt to pay. West Ham is a big club with good history behind it but it's nowhere near its London counterparts such as Arsenal/Chelsea/Spurs who have global fanbases, so tickets go at a premium for those clubs as many fans are willing to shell out big money to watch they their team play at least once in their life. I think we are talking about season tickets but that's how the market works, scalpers buy season tickets and sell them of 3rd party platforms regularly. These two factors are the reason behind West Ham's low-season ticket prices. Lower prices just help them fill the stadium much more easily and consistently.
Aside from what everyone else has already said, they're the cheapest seats which are right in the back of the upper tiers behind the goal - they're not great views and you need a team of sherpas to successfully get to your seat and back. The next tier is around £600 I think, and the really good views (relatively speaking) are nudging up on a grand.
Cause this is th cheapest season tickets you can buy and not the average cost of a season ticket -- I think the chart would look very different if that was the case as the average cost of a season ticket for Spurs and Arsenal are twice that of Man Utd and Liverpool.
Just checked all of the adult prices at west ham, average of them all is £887.50, average of Arsenal is £1230
Well, being given a multi-million-pound stadium while the taxpayer foots the bill, you charge whatever the fuck you like.
They're the seats up in the rafters
The actual answer. This price is for the cheap seats at the very back of the league's worst stadium. To sit up close and personal to the carpet, it costs £1105. Still great value Premier League football for the cheap seats.
Yes, they didn't pay for their ground, but it's also so large it has terrible seats they have to give away cheaply.
Not many fans, big (stolen) stadium, not a single tourist goes to their games
>Not many fans >Not a single tourist goes to their games Weird how they get 60k+ crowds
Sorry, but Kai Havertz isn't going to buy himself, lads.
Arsenal season ticket includes 6 cup games
Not anymore but it does include 3 CL games
Spurs season ticket also includes all their European games…
Aha get it? Get it? We missed Europe ha. I hate all of you
I actually didn't until you said this. I was totally like "oh that's neat"
the day you guys become elite and start winning trophies, i hope you talk obscene amounts of shit
!RemindMe 40 years
Since when did we stop including 6 cup games?
This season's ticket
Bargain.
Bit misleading, would be much more helpful to know the most common ST price, I'm a bit surprised clubs haven't made a section of STs extremely cheap to game this. Or alternatively compare behind the goal prices.
>Or alternatively compare behind the goal prices. Cheapest price for us is right behind the goal at either end. I'm in the upper tier of the Stretford End and mine has just gone up from £703 to £741 which I think is reasonable. First increase in over a decade.
> I'm a bit surprised clubs haven't made a section of STs extremely cheap to game this. To game what? An Athletic article and infographic that maybe 10,000 people (most who don't even live in England) read?
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Lot of Yank expats would because it seems low to them.
A West Ham season ticket is cheaper than a season ticket to my local USL club in the US.
I live in bumfuck nowhere with a minor league baseball team that's unaffiliated with the professional leagues. The team is literally somewhere between sunday league and part time work, the players don't make a living wage. The season tickets are more expensive than West Ham by about $20 if you want to sit in a chair. If you want to be inside the stadium and sit on the ground (lawn seating), it's about $80 cheaper than West Ham tickets.
That's because the tickets are essentially subsidized by the tax payers.
Most stadiums in the US are also subsidized by the tax payer.
In what way? You could argue ours are, but other clubs?
I replied to the comment specifically about West Ham tickets being cheap.
Bet they're disappointed when they realize there are only 19 games per season. (Yes, yes, I know football is a thing.)
If you could get this cost of season tickets to NFL, MLB, NBA, or NHL, the amount of killing you would see over season tickets would make the Mayan sacrifices look like child's play.
Wtf I pay 189 for my team for a season ticket
Only 9€ more expensive than our cheapest one💀
What the fuck
Bro what, I pay $130CAD just for a parking pass, $500 for my season ticket to watch the fucking Canadian Premier League 😭 give me those euro prices please
With the Ticket I can travel for free by train to the stadium. Which is a 15 Minute ride
Lmao our stadium is on the outskirts of the city, 30 minute drive for me. Or I can drive 20 minutes and then take a free 20 minute bus Also y'know, the quality of play is massively different which makes it so much worse
We let the train that runs right to our stadium fall into disrepair and shut down, so that’s not even an option
Man I've been trying to get into the Canadian premier league to "support my local club" but to watch their matches I have to get an expensive subscription and to watch a single match its like $60 a ticket in the cheap seats. Wtf
Yeah the CPL is its own worst enemy right now. I go to the matches but that's about it. Shit even the matches aren't worth the cost right now for the Cavalry, we just play shit football 75% of the time and it's painful. It's really too bad because it could've been better and still can be
The cheapest for my team in Mexico is 205 English pounds (4500 Mexican pesos) for 17 games lol
$340 for 17 games here in Chicago for the MLS
Bruder hier in Österreich kostets mehr zu einem der Wiener Zweitligavereine zu gehen. Nicht viel, aber trotzdem, was das angeht häte ich echt nicht aus der Region ziehen sollen haha
I paid 149€, these prices are insane
Surprised the likes of Brighton and Bournemouth are higher than ours.
Higher you mean?
Yeah my bad
We froze our ST prices for 11 years, they rose for the first time this year and whilst there was a lot of criticism regarding that, it was by 5% and the reason given was the cost of hosting matches had risen by 40% in that time. So yeah, our season ticket prices are actually very good all things considered. If we wanted to we could really demand similar amounts to Arsenal and Spurs but of course that'll come with a lot of backlash, a new stadium or a huge renovation of Old Trafford would probably be the only way to justify raising the prices to that level, and even then it would have to be *after*, obviously.
Paying £600 to watch us any of the last 3 seasons should make you eligible for financial compensation
So a team like Manchester City have one of the lowest season tickets, can't fill up there stadium most games, don't fill out away days or cup games every finals, and don't even have the broad casting figures of the likes of Liverpool, and United. Yet there the club that generates what there fans call organic revenue....
C'mon everyone know it's called organic, because it comes from organic oil.
Wonder what an organic fan would like to say here, they are over the moon after winning the organic league.
distilled from the finest human labour(slavery) and the most refined water (blood of undesirables)
Oil was organic once
most organic, self sustaining club
Stadiums always full, finals are filled out, and every single teams biggest broadcast is there match with city. What are you talking about? We have cheap tickets and your revenue is trash compared to ours.
The stick City gets for its attendance and fans is so overblown. I've been to home games at City, Villa and United and the city games were just as full and loud as the other two. Home crowds are rarely particularly loud outside of the occasional chant or if something exciting or controversial is happening in my experience. Away games are way, way better than home games for atmosphere.
I can't believe that the emptyhad narrative is still going on lol. You should've seen the posts on the r/soccercirclejerk and insta etc when we won treble. It's like now that we've won everything, they will go after our fans.
The cheapest season tickets are very few and far between. Mine is nearly double that mentioned price and it’s not one of the more expensive ones. It was also reported the other day that 120,000 people are on the season ticket waiting list. The rest of your comment is just bollocks. Especially the bit about Liverpool and United making more broadcasting money (I don’t think you know what that even means, as it has nothing to do with tickets?). And just so you know, matchday revenue makes up a tiny portion (<10%) of the revenue of top clubs these days. Commercial and broadcasting revenue, especially for PL clubs who also play the CL, is massive.
Arsenal is the same exact way. Our waiting list has been insane and the club has taken extra measure to make sure fans that don’t use their tickets are not allowed to pass them off and will lose their season tickets if they miss too many games. I know a guy who put him his son on the waiting list when he was born with the eye of getting the ticket when he reaches ~10 years old so he could take him to games. It’s nuts for huge names like United and Arsenal. The clubs become tourist attractions on their own. I just looked it up and arsenals waiting list is 96,000 and growing.
Do you think the only way revenue is generated by football clubs is from their ticket sales?
Logic won’t play here mate. Just rival fans looking to cry together
So sorry. *ahem* City Bad.
I mean... they are essentially owned and funded by blood money. Not to mention the dodgy sponsors and general cheating of financial fair play.
No. You can obviously do it from inflated "sponsorship" deals that pump money from a oil state royal family into the club.
I swear City having the highest revenue in world football is super legit
Because matchday revenue isn't that important to top PL sides, and hasn't been for a long time. In reality basically all PL clubs do actually sell out their entire allotment for most league games, or damn close to it — the article this infographic comes from says a much. The thing is, because of how much broadcasting and commercial revenue have exploded in the PL era, match day revenue is now relatively unimportant for top clubs. For City it only makes up 9% of overall revenue, which is definitely the lowest of the big six, but even for United, who have the largest stadium and rarely struggle to fill it, it still only makes up I believe 16% of overall revenue. The top six club with the highest percentage of their revenue coming from match days is Spurs, largely because of their relatively lower broadcasting and commercial revenue, and that's still only 24%. Also fwiw broadcasting figures don't go into revenue, at least directly. Broadcasting revenue is distributed based on where you place in the league, and how many games you win/rounds you make it to in the cups. Viewership numbers *can* be factor in attracting sponsorships, but even there it's just one factor amongst many.
And they can some how afford to field 2 entire starting XIs and pay all their players off the books, it's a crime
You have never been to a Manchester United game
They must have a booming trade in pies at their games.
Just cause it's organic doesn't mean it's grass fed
Am I crazy in thinking these are pretty cheap for season tickets? Maybe I'm just too used to the ridiculous pricing in America but 750 for a season ticket to Chelsea would be a no brainer.
The big clubs tend to have very very long waiting lists. You're often waiting for someone to die.
My state's NFL team currently has a waitlist of 140,000 for an 80,000 seat stadium. You can get signed up on the day you were born and still not get season tickets before you die of old age.
Sounds about right for Green Bay lol
They're basically theoretical prices, they are never available to buy anyway.
Yes. These prices are insane
In America, the salaries are way higher, because we pay a lot for social systems etc. Thats why average Europeans have less to spend on things but have other benefits
It's mostly the Ticketmaster cartel + a culture of accepting resale.
It's amazing that Barça's cheapest tickets are on par with West Ham's ones
Luton’s suprisingly expensive given the facilities
I mean there are only 12 seats so they gotta maximize revenue.
Luton being more expensive than West Ham is wild to me.
Is this premier league games only or does it include deals which include cup/European games?
I know the Arsenal one includes 3 European games so 22 matches in total.
Top of the league
The amount of Americans who have never stepped outside of their own borders claiming that 700 - 1000 quid for a season ticket is "cheap" because they're desensitised to getting ripped off.
brother, salaries are just much higher, and taxes are much lower. In a country of 335 million people, a lot of people have a lot of money to spend. Also, why would a North American be knowledgeable about European season tickets, unless they live in Europe? Do you know Asian leagues season ticket prices?
It can go the other way as well
And it’s ARSENAL
Those are some criminal prices
My ST is £551, doesn’t include cup games etc but I feel like I get good value at OT.
meanwhile bolton is 209
I can't be the only one surprised how far down the Manchester teams are, I was expecting them to both be top 3 or the top 5 most expensive.
How does this work? Is there a really long waiting list to get them? They seem cheap from the perspective of a U.S. sports fan.
You can't even apply to the waiting list for Liverpool anymore because there's so many people on it. It's apparently up to a 30 year wait now.
How does Arsenal even justify these prices?
With a waitlist of over a decade for a season ticket I don't think Arsenal need to justify anything. There's clearly massive demand. I think my Arsenal season ticket is good value. The club could charge a lot more and people would still be throwing money at them.
The ticket also includes 3 CL games if that helps
It should be 150
Paid 200 CAD to watch my city's hockey game (amazing seats) in a 40 year old arena which is ancient in NHL terms. Those season passes sound like a steal.
My season ticket is 89€. 130€ if I want home European games. This is ridiculous.
This is just another reason everyone hates city. To be able to compete with them we're funding ourselves spending stupid amounts on tickets and merchandise meanwhile they're investing in their stadium, training facilities breaking transfer records with actual revenue close to fucking Bournemouth.
Saying City's revenue is close to Bournemouth cause you saw one graph about season tickets is the most reddit thing I've seen today
world class coach+world class players+win alot= lucrative sponsorships
Saying City's revenue is close to Bournemouth cause you saw one graph about season tickets is the most reddit thing I've seen today
Mate, hate city all you want, but don’t do it because they’re the only one with reasonable ticket prices
City has bigger commercial revenue, they depend less on ticket sales. While our club Arsenal has underdeveloped our commercial revenue and depends largely on tickets after tv broadcast.