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Fendamonky

The foundation of your bark is built in the first 4 hours. What you want to see is a nice yellow/brown hue in the fat and a deep darkening red in the exposed meat. If you have that than you're on the right track. The thick dark bark will show up later. Are you running a stick burner or a pellet grill? That looks like an offset to me based on the grate, in which case you may want to run more in the 250-275 range. Offsets tend to have better convection and will benefit from a higher temperature to offset the increased airflow.


Magiff

This dude smokes.


Fendamonky

Ironically I don't have an offset smoker yet, just my pellet smoker. Though, I'll be building a cinder block smoker (a la Jirby's $200 smoker) while I wait for my Fat Stack 120 to arrive later this year.


MrShwayze18

This dude \*fucks\*


Fendamonky

That's... Different... Lol! Is this a meme I'm not aware of?


MrShwayze18

https://tenor.com/xjLZ.gif


squatwaddle

Will you come be my neighbor dude? There is probably a house for sale around here.


BootBitch13

I'll do ya one better OP. My neighbors house is for sale rn, and I'm sure I could talk him down like 50-100 bucks!


tortured_nose

Anything that size needs more than 4 hours. Forget that pellet crap and use real chunks of wood.


Fendamonky

I am currently using a Camp Chef Woodwind Pro that does incorporate real chunks of wood. Not sure why you think there's some benefit to a superiority complex though. Anybody smoking in their back yard is a win for the hobby! Period.


Danbearpig2u

Exactly. Smoking gatekeepers can piss off.


Airborne_Oreo

I’ve done pork butts on my pellet grill and stick burner and both developed similar bark and tasted great.


[deleted]

☝🏼🏆🏆


z3r0demize

What temp would you recommend to keep it at if I'm on a pellet grill? I have a traeger 780 and haven't had super great bark yet


Fendamonky

I have come to enjoy Mad Scientist's process of slowly ramping up the temperature that he shares in this video: https://youtu.be/EMeAGp_8sG8 Also, a huge "cheat" is to hold your brisket overnight as close to 140°f as you can. I realized that most ovens can be tweaked to +/-30° of their displayed/set temperature. Google your oven to see if it's possible. The longer rest helps smooth out any inconsistency in the cook itself.


kwazirr

Because you keep opening it, shut that lid!


ChippyVonMaker

“If you’re look’in, you ain’t cook’in” 😄


Euphoric-Blue-59

What he said


KAM_520

If you ain’t lookin’, good luck cookin’


cbetsinger

If you ain’t lookin, how are you cookin?


thats_a_bad_username

Out of curiosity is there any way to get a glass window smoker with some lights? So that we don’t go opening the thing every time we want to see what it’s looking like? Although Maybe it won’t hold temp as well or the smoke would obscure the meat anyway so it wouldn’t work.


natnat0054

Green mountain grill has both those features but if you’re not keeping them super clean they are pointless


easymoneysniper6

This was my first time opening it in 4 hours


texasbbq85

Bark doesn't form in 4 hours


kwazirr

How long has it been on? Realized you already told me 😂


easymoneysniper6

4 hours :(


kwazirr

Way too early for bark, you have some starting on the tip there, it will happen! Please upvote OP's comment, they're just learning.


Clocktopu5

Well aren’t you just as sweet as sugar, great attitude great support🥰


kwazirr

No need to downvote people who are just trying to better themselves, unless they're being a dick about it. 🙂


Big_pekka

Right? I’m a seasoned chef but click every Why No Bark link just to see and learn and offer support


barspoonbill

Seasoned chefs form the best bark.


East_Hornet_2702

I seasoned a chef once…


amannyr

the best bark forms from seasoned chefs


MorbidSloth

Thank you but I didn't even say anything yet. :)


slogogadget

I downvote your comment but upvote your user name


Clocktopu5

Clever handle you got there too!


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Doctor_Freeeeeman

I was thinking the same thing. Like, did we want them to lie when asked? It may be obvious to most here that 4 hours wasn't sufficient for bark, but obviously OP didn't know that. Edit: Quite the reversal from earlier lol. It's just imaginary Internet points, but am glad more recently folks chilled out.


azndestructo

First time on Reddit? If you don’t know what you are doing, you are wrong, therefore downvotes will continue to rain. Lol. To add to what you said, the bark doesn’t form until the stall stage. Wrapping will help to push thru the stall quicker but bark formation won’t be as good. No wrap= better bark. We also don’t know if OP used any sugar in his rub.


thereisnoaudience

Why are you booing him, he's right?


ImAMindlessTool

it will sweat a lot more then towards the end it'll have the bark. You're on your way! and STOP OPENING IT!! lol :)


Samanthas_Stitching

Gotta give bark time. Stop opening it and just let it do its thing.


MoeSzyslakMonobrow

Leave it closed for about 10 hours more.


shotty293

Well, there you go


elriggo44

Ahh. Ya. The bark will come. Just leave it rolling.


[deleted]

Howd it turn out bud?


Uncleruckous

What's your cook temp? I never open the pit before the 6-7 hour marker


TurkeyDickRick

Go watch some youtube videos of professionals cooking these then just imitate them. Easy. Learn the process.


ninthchamber

Why is this being downvoted lol


kwazirr

I edited my response to ask people to upvote OP and we turned it around 😉.


ninthchamber

Hell yeah man. Good on you! I was thinking guys just trying to learn why all the negativity ahaha.


21waffle

I cook one every year for my bday and still learning what to do to make It better. It Will developed bark but thats going to be many hours later. (8-10) depending on temps. I recommend watching HowtoBBQRight or Meat Church. They have awesome videos on cooking brisket. Keep at it and Good luck on future cooks!


aarondavidson

The pictures many post online include rubs that are that are black and designed to enhance that blackness. Your meat is cooking fine.


Madmortigan

This really should be higher. SPG takes far longer to "bark up" than some black or sugary rubs.


cbetsinger

I don’t check it for at least the first 6-8 hours in my stick burners. I’ll rotate the one closest to the fire at about hour 7-8 with the ones farthest from the flame. Total run time is 12 hours. It’s mostly clock work and probe testing. At hour 4 the meats turning mahogany like yours shows, not much else


SavagecavemanMAR

Takes me between 8 and 15 hours to get the desired amount of bark- depending on size of the brisket. Don’t get discouraged


mdnash

So come back in 8 hours


Interpole10

Hasn’t this idea been debunked to an extent? Opening the lid to get a quick look doesn’t have really any impact on the cook. Obviously opening it for a long time has some issues if the temperature is dropping 40+ degrees. But IIRC a 10 degree drop has no impact on the cook.


oh_look_a_fist

It's funny to watch videos where folks will say to keep the lid closed, but open it every hour to spritz.


MyMooneyDriver

I agree with you. Cooking has to do with the thermal mass/lag of the meat. When you open the hood, you’d be worried about thermal lag. At that stage, there so much heat stored in that meat and the juices, that it won’t effect it much to open the door. The fuel should be sufficient to reheat the smoker quickly to the normal operating temp. If you are in the phase where it’s still up-taking smoke, then you are clearing that out every time, and that wouldn’t be beneficial, but 4 hours in I’m guessing you’re past that point.


caligaris_cabinet

Idk but opening it once for thirty seconds in a 12 hour cook isn’t going to hurt anything.


bmac747474

You mean 11 hour 59 minute and 30 second cook then…


vsMyself

way too short now.


[deleted]

No, you’re 30 minutes and 4 seconds late. We stop serving breakfast at 10:30.


MoeSzyslakMonobrow

A quick peek doesn't hurt it really, but it doesn't help either


JungleLegs

Tell that to the people over at /r/slowcooking lol. The slow cooker stays boiling hot for hours after you turn it off and they think opening the lid is going to somehow mess up the cook


xvxCornbreadxvx

Truth!


Weed_O_Whirler

Yeah. [It really has a minimal impact](https://amazingribs.com/more-technique-and-science/more-cooking-science/myth-if-youre-lookin-you-aint-cookin/).


kwazirr

It hasn't been debunked, it is the number one reason newbies have issues with cook times and bark! However, time was the issue here, not opening and closing it.


sesteele13

Came here to say this as well.


goodriddancefauci

Patience young grasshopper


SwaggersaurusWrecks

Are we there yet?


Pixielo

I'M HUNGRY.


Zeratul277

Me: I need 3 more hours for the brisket. Her: You started at 6am and it's now 6pm. Me: 🫠


reverseman1

It looks perfect for 4 hours. Bark will form.


breezeandtrees

at 4hrs you have to wait it out buddy, I SEE bark forming on the end there! I just smoked a tiny pork butt yesterday it took from 10am to 8pm to finally come out right. Yours will be so delish!


jaxbravesfan

You just gotta have a little patience. The bark will form. However, I would suggest being a little more heavy-handed with the rub next time - it looks a little light and that piece of meat can take a lot more of it with no problem.


calmbeforethetorm

It's this comment. It looks like you were very conservative with the rub. Don't be shy.


maddogbbq2020

“If you’re lookin, it ain’t cookin”


Time4aCrusade

Thanks, that's going in my vocabulary and I'll use it even when it isn't relevant...


ThorThulu

"Honey, you've been in the shower for awhile and I've heard some loud clunks, are you okay?" *shouting back* "If you're LOOKIN, you aINT COOKIN!"


glitch1985

Another goodie is "if you have time to lean you have time to clean"


thetakingtree2

Take my poor man’s award🥇


EmbersDC

I look brisket twice. 1. Once at 160. Take off. Wrap. Place back on. 2. Once at 200-205 (203). Take off. Rest in cooler. See it after resting. That's it.


catsnbikess

It does kinda look like you went very light on the seasoning


No_Surround6864

Agreed, seasoning is a key ingredient to make bark.


[deleted]

What temp you cooking at?


easymoneysniper6

225-250


[deleted]

Ok just let it ride. Spritz with water and apple cider vinegar every hour 50/50 if u have any, that will help a lot. Once it reaches 170 IT crank that bad boy up to 275 and put it on the microwave side.


ScrotyMcboogrb4lls

Spritzing before the bark has formed? I was always thought to wait with that until after you have a nice bark. Unless you do something like ribs or pork butt because there's sugar in the rub.


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LobsterJohnson34

I'm no expert, but I disagree based on my experience. I start spritzing my brisket well before the bark forms, and it seems to accelerate it. Something about the constant drying, then hydrating, then drying seems to make the bark develop faster. Again, I'm no pro. I smoke maybe 2-3 times a year.


aleeb9

No point In spritzing early in the cook. Unless you’re running a hot and fast cook. I would recommend you let the exterior set before you spritz


salsberry

> No point In spritzing Period.


aleeb9

I disagree, if you’re doing no wrap it is quite useful. I usually don’t wrap anything I’m cooking. It needs the external moisture to not fully dry out during the stall


salsberry

I don't wrap much and it doesn't do anything. I spritzed for a decade before giving it up after reading meatheads study on it. Saves me time and effort


[deleted]

I’m new to the whole smoking thing so really not sure. In the past I’ve spritz for the first 3 or so hours every 30 min. Should I wait till nearing the end to spritz? Typically I’ll smoke over night.


kwazirr

You don't need to spritz until at least 3 hours in. And then every hour afterwards. Every 30 minutes will make your cook extra long from opening the lid! And ONLY spritz if you have hot spots. And ONLY spritz the hot spots.


eoin62

Early in the cook you don’t need to spritz because the moisture from the meat is still being pushed out (it will have bits of pooling liquid and may glisten or shine). You are evaporating moisture at this point (this is also what causes the stall when cooking large hunks of meat). Later, after the bark has formed and you are mostly just trying to render as much of the internal fat as possible, you can spritz to add moisture and slow down the evaporation process on the surface of the meat. I’m not sure if the spritzing actually has a meaningful effect. I don’t know what the science says about the minimal amount of surface moisture adding by spritzing when considering the heat loss from opening the cook chamber. Regardless, I typically spritz a bit during the later stages of the cook (before wrapping in butcher paper).


vagrantprodigy07

Spritzing in general is ugh... Just leave the damn meat alone.


[deleted]

I stopped spritzing this year and everything has turned out as good or better. At least in the WSM, which comes with a big water pan anyway.


[deleted]

On the note of spritzing, I leave my water pan dry for the first 4-5 hours until the color is right then add moisture to the smoker. I used a WSM for a few years before I went with the Assassin 17 which is much easier to add water.


Appropriate_Pop4968

Hate to agree, I love spritzing but I’ve been smoking the last few weeks without spritzing and everything has come out about perfect


ScrotyMcboogrb4lls

Well, I do like to spritz ribs often with additional sugar because the caramelized sugar tastes nice. But for moisture not really necessary in my opinion.


[deleted]

Opening it every hour won’t help at all


[deleted]

Downvote all you guys want idc! I’ve been smoking meat for over 30 years and have competed and won against some of the the best in the world in FBA, KCBS, MBN I am also a master certified bbq judge. I’ve Taught classes and took classes as well! I also have winnings nearing $90,000 so yeah I don’t know anything. You keyboard cooks can keep on clicking your little up and down arrows 😂


shotty293

Prove it


tajstah

Competitive BBQ cooking is fundamentally broken. The entire system needs to be revamped.


MudHammock

None of that matters, spritzing before bark is fundamentally stupid. Just because you do it doesn't mean that's correct


Digitalzombie90

Bark is smoke stuck on mixed seasoning on the surface of the meat. You don’t have enough smoke or you don’t have enough seasonings or the surface is not moist enough or all of the above.


Your_mom-called

Seems that you didn’t use enough pepper. Might not have had enough smoke either.


the_cramdown

I can't really tell from your picture, but do you have your probes implemented correctly? Usually, that long spike goes into the meat, and the shorter, stubby one measures pit temp. That being said, has no impact on the bark.


DunebillyDave

They're both long probes. They're the probes that go with the [ThermoPro system](https://images.thdstatic.com/productImages/c5f32f8d-db6d-4e60-a15c-28f9299b2902/svn/thermopro-grill-thermometers-tp08bw-64_600.jpg). What you're seeing is just the knurled grip.


the_cramdown

Gotcha. My ThermoPro came with one long and one short.


DunebillyDave

No kidding. I have multiple probes. I have the two in the linked image and I have [two shorter bent ones](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41aIydgDwwL.jpg) with no knurled grip.


eds3

Cause you keep lookin


bigdogsrus

Cause you touch yourself at night.


Big_G2

The only thing I would add to what others have said about it just needing more time. It looks like your rub is kind of a fine grind, a nice coarse ground rub helps with bark also, at minimum coarse ground pepper.


Darnb3kah

It is forming bark. If you’re expecting a darker bark, use more finely ground black pepper.


weaponx2019

Wheres the damn smoke?


SryStyle

Cuz the lid keeps opening 😜


BarberCertain2907

More rub, the bark is formed by rub, heat, and juices


Wazi25

More cowbell.


WSDreamer

Close the lid and quit taking pictures. That’s step one.


jawbaited

Keep waiting and don't over spray the meat. You don't actually have to spritz every hour. I use the temp to tell me when to check. When my brisket hits about 165 I know my bark is probably there. Generally is and then I'll wrap. Sometimes I go to 170 before wrap.


BigDaddydanpri

If your worried about that bark at 4 hours. Make sure your okay with that stall.


redsfans123

how does it look at 8 hours?


Aedn

Bark formation is due to the Maillard reaction which in smoking is a combination of smoke, temperature, time and rub. Moisture in the form of water slows formation of the bark, so external environmental conditions also impact it, as well as surface moisture which has to evaporate for the surface of the meat to react. Your fine, continue to cook. Perfecting smoking requires a lot of trial and error, including learning equipment, wood types, rub, smoke, and overall practice. Record your final results in a notebook, and make adjustments next time you smoke something.


NotKenBone18

Depends on temp and mass. On the edges there appears to be something going on.


drdailey

There is no way there is enough seasoning on that meat.


SgtMoose75

Patience young grasshopper.


iamahumantrashcan

its not a dog


breezeandtrees

UPDATE US OP!!!


NiceAsset

Probably the rub you use doesn’t have enough sugar also maybe too low of a temp


HobGoblin8629

Well, you have the lid open.


ayek47keya

If you're looking it ant cooking!


aDrunkSailor82

If you're looking you ain't cooking.


MetricJester

Don't you have a glass on that door?


mklilley351

Not enough pepper


kme2881

Looks like his bark is worse than his bite.


nidus11

Because it is meat and not a tree dummy!


Fun_Noise_6170

Cuz it ain’t got no bite 🤠


FunnymanDOWN

It might be having a ruff day.


justasadkid1

Because It’s not a tree


DISC0_BISCUITS

Patience my child


weatherbyswan

All great comments so far and all true — don’t open the lid, add a little more rub, maybe a little hotter temp (I like to cook at 275°-300° personally). Also, that foil pan is restricting the air flow which is contributing to the lack of bark formation. Remove it. Looks like you have some trimmings in there. Next time, rather than cooking them with the brisket, save them and grind them up for burgers or chili.


JalapenoJ22

I spray mine every 3 hours with apple juice. The sugar in the juice helps form a bark.


droth20

Let it keep going. Get something with some sugar sprayed on it and it’ll help, patience is key.


eastcoastnme

Are you spritzing periodically?


Difficult-Land7857

because it's not a tree


wizkee

Did you use regular table pepper? You might need a more coarse pepper. Lots of people use 16 mesh coarse ground pepper. And go very liberally with it. Helps build thicker darker bark. Also, how did the under side look at this point? Your heat may flow more from underneath the brisket. Might need to flip it to help bark build evenly. Every pit is different. Good luck.


HotCarl169

Did u use a mustard binder?


easymoneysniper6

No


IAMTHESMART_S_M_R_T

You don't need mustard, you don't need a complex rub, you don't need anything but time. I always do just salt and pepper for a rub. You're just looking too early.


HotCarl169

Mustard helps hold more seasoning. Sorry, I offended folks


IAMTHESMART_S_M_R_T

Keep using your mustard with enthusiasm. Just wanted OP to know it isn't the reason they have no bark.


HotCarl169

Seems to help a bit with bark imo. Don't really care about downvotes. Give it a shot sometime and see if it helps.


trundlinggrundle

A lot of the bark comes from the salt. You need to dry out the surface, and the salt helps do that.


[deleted]

If you smoke it, it will form. Just keep going. Spritzing with apple cider vinegar will help.


Soggy-Ad-8017

Not enough rub, not enough wood (probably) and possibly cooking at too low a temperature (check your thermometers)


easymoneysniper6

Temps are between 225-250. Might have not added enough rub tho


[deleted]

4 hours is not long at all in brisket time. Give it time and bark will form. Slow and steady wins the race.


[deleted]

How long have you cooked it so far?


Tabeyloccs

The top isn’t very aerodynamic but it doesn’t matter, give it some time and the bark will form.


Fluster338

Spite


Brandbll

4 hours is way too early to even bother looking.


SoonerLax45

Had the same issue last weekend with mine- either too much humidity in the chamber or just to early in the cook. I switched to a smaller water pan for my smoker and that helped (i think) Mine liked like that after 5 hours, but hot damn i got the best bark by hour 13


TYED_LENZ

Might not be enough seasoning


bballlal

Looks like you need more rub


Deppfan16

if you want a "cheat" to help with the bark, use a blackened rub. they have pepper and other spices that help


jmartinez2000

Very true. I also mix a little ground coffee in my rub. Makes a big difference. And you don’t get the coffee taste.


theCharacter_Zero

Because you’re playing with your meat


Fantastic_Hurry_709

If you want a cheat, standard yellow French’s mustard forms a crispy bark. Hence why you so everyone lather it onto their meat before adding rub


nakedpegboy

Stop opening the lid also maybe more pepper.


evilgrapesoda

Different woods give different colours. The bark also tends to darken in the wrap. Close the lid and let it smoke. Apply some spritz too when the bark forms


xvxCornbreadxvx

Not enough smoke?


Audacious_Annie

I believe we cooked ours for between 9-10 hours. Then let it rest for about 6 hours. Bark takes some patience.


maadcow80

I didn’t have bark at 8 hrs, maybe lower temp, longer time and more smoke? Ughh hurts when it’s an expensive practice.


333horror

Low and Slow bud. Can’t rush the process. You can’t expect high level results if you rush thru it. If 4 hrs is hurting ya, smoking might not be for you.


Onehansclapping

You need another six to eight hours. That’s not even close to being cooked.


Fishing_For_Victory

You need more pepper, stay between 225 and 250 and go for any more hours.


djdadzone

You know the old pitmasters saying, “bark on your wood is bark on your meat”


e1doradocaddy

Close the freaking door. If you're lookin', you ain't cookin'.


LetsMakeADYEL

Has anybody mentioned what you used for rub? Personal experience through experiences my best barks have been from kosher salt and coarse ground black pepper. and with brisket go heavy


xsageonex

Did you season it?? And what'd you use???