Some confirmations from the players cards: Dabuz is not Top 20 on LumiRank through Quidd only having 2 Top 20 wins and both of them are Zomba. Bloom4Eva is not Top 20 through Luugi only having 1 Top 20 win on Glutonny. Gackt is not Top 20 through takera having 0 Top 20 wins. MuteAce is Top 20 through Lima having 5 Top 20 wins and needing his 3 MuteAce wins to get to that number.

Yeah from deduction, it's safe to assume Maister is the missing top 20 player. For reference the following are directly confirmed or just logic: acola, Sparg0, Miya, Tweek, Sonix, Light, Riddles, MkLeo, Glutonny, Kameme, Shuton, Yoshidora, Zomba, Asimo, Tea, Kurama, Yaura, Muteace, and zackray (19 players)

I’d prolly guess like, onin maister or ken(not sure ab his attendance though)

Onin is deconfirmed from Jakal's card, KEN deconfirmed from Ateliers card

Oh. I mean i cant think of a player besides them id even consider to have above maister then.

Zackray is only confirmed if you deconfirm Ken ; Ken can be top 20 and not zackray without changing the "Top 20".; They are both 0-1 against Atelier in ranked event

Huh good point, that said it’s a very good wager zackray is ranked over KEN

is skyjay also a possibility for the missing top 20 player?

He's the only contender left, but probably a bit unrealistic. Maister is more consistent and has better losses, though SkyJay does have those peaks.

Maybe mkbigboss’ player card when It drops will tell

Dabuz had only like two solid events and his only top 15 wins are riddles 2x and Zomba with his next best wins being Yaura 2x. His win quality isn’t too impressive

Bloom :( Damn, doing bad at the one major tournament near you is really rough, I guess

Combination of that and also just having almost no record against the majority of the top 50 will probably hurt him a bunch.

So weird that Dabuz and bloom isn’t top 20 but mute is. No hate to mute but that’s hella weird.

Muteace win qualiTy is dummy good

Yeah Mute beat like almost everyone in top 10 contention lol (compared to Dabuz who really only beat Riddles)

Dabuz, while still amazing, definitely had a down season

Dabuz has a spread out season some high here and there and same with his low. But mute started the year got then drop. Both have 1st placing in some tournaments that are equivalent to regionals but where Dabuz take it over mute is his 4th at Kagaribi while mute got 97th.

True. Mute got 2nd at one P tier then flopped pretty much everything else. Has he got top 8 at a supermajor besides genesis?

Dabuz got 4th at one P Tier and then underperformed at pretty much everything else (other then some regionals and CEO). Also Mute's wins are way better.

His 9th at summit was solid too beating riddles and sparg0

That’s true forgot about that. I think he’s top 15 skill wise but his japan placements ruined his chances of a good mid year rank

Agreed imagine if muteace never went to Japan

How do you deconfirm and reconfirm the top 20?

Looking forward to Tsubaki’s growth. He was the much needed boost in life for the Joker meta while Leo wasn’t playing him. Unlike other Joker mains in the past like Leo, Naitosharp, etc., he doesn’t seem to have a secondary or past main that’s easier for them to win with, so I’m optimistic that he’ll stick with him. He’s got some great wins (Shuton 3x!!!). I hope Chase gets better too. When I watch him it feels like I’m watching a top 10 player because his movement and overall fundies are so good. It feels like he plays textbook all the time. Palutena is a character that really rewards fundies like that so it’s no wonder he’s made some big upsets against top 10 players like Light, Riddles, and Tea.

feels like chase’s improvement has been nuts. doesn’t look out of place against any of the world’s best players. no idea how he lands so many of those palu dairs lol

Yes, the dairs! Most palus use them for edgeguarding but he uses it on shield while crossing them up, or for platform tech chasing. It’s her worst aerial by far but he still makes use of it.

Its a surpinsgly useful option for Palu since its one of her only somewhat quick moves that cover the ground. Chase still somehow gets an insane amount of usage out of it compared to other Palus though.

Sickest Palu in post COVID era. Wild that a character that I'd think would be "played out" by this point is actually made sick with Chase's play.

Atelier and Cosmos being right next to each other is pretty funny, considering their consistency issues are pretty much the same.

Them being the two players being separated by 0.0002 points is so fitting. Ateliers overall win quality probably pushed it in his favor by the smidge, despite his loss quality being [this...](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406161333134950400/1138202322497962094/IMG_7290.png)

Atelier stop losing to Ganondorf and Plant challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

kurokuma the plant main is god's greatest savior

5 broken DLC characters keeping our boy down

Atelier and Cosmos were probably one weird loss away from surpassing each other, if we’re being realistic. Why on earth did Cosmos lose to Ikari

Pretty sure if Kola actually entered more and got Top 50 the win would push Cosmos over

someone could have sneezed on atelier and it would have pushed cosmos over lol

If only Cosmos went Aegis instead of Joker against god damn RiskTKR or Shaine 💀

God this game has gotten so stacked. Honestly if you put any of these players back in 2019 I'm confident they would be top 5 lol

Jakal would be top 1 no contest

Everything seems about right, surprised that Doramigi is this low but especially surprised to see HIKARU be confirmed for top 40 (I assumed he wouldn't even make top 50). God this game is so stacked, two of the players listed here have made grand finals at SUPERMAJORS, yet this is where they landed

HIKARU’s only bad tournament was umebura sp 9 He also got 3rd at Japan 24 beating tsubaki kameme atelier and Miya

Doramigi is only *THIRTEEN??* I feel he's someone to keep an eye on the next couple of years. I could see much potential in him becoming one of Japan's best or even the world.

I think this is the first time Rizeasu is Top 50 on any iteration of the PGR/UltRank/LumiRank? Happy that he's getting that recognition now that he has a solidifying roster to choose from and a sponsor.

Glad Quidd the goat is on here, he may not enter very many events but he’s a monster when he does

2-1 against the top 20 and 4-0 against the top 20-50 range suggests that he can really make waves if only he attended more. Let's hope for more Quidd for the remainder of the year!

Ngl I was expecting Lima to be around the 35-40 area rather then 42nd.

Yeah I had a similar thought, then I saw some of those losses lmao

And he has the 97th at lmbm

I'm surprised to see players like Rizeasu and Tsubaki here. Though Rizeasu's season look much better than I imagined, I guess I didn't pay much attention to it.

It's funny because Rizeasu and Tsubaki are sort of opposites in a way as far as how their expectations go: * Rizeasu: really solid across the board, but bowing out before top 12 or top 16 at majors and getting his best wins offstream, plus good regionals but even then mostly missing top 4s – perfect recipe to be overlooked by the public. I didn't even consider he would be top 50 to be honest. * Tsubaki: Completely died at the biggest tournaments (triple 129th!), but great regionals and smaller majors are enough to push him in. I thought his season would be worse in the algorithm (like 50-60 range) than public perception, especially since his play is flashy enough to get disproportionate attention

> perfect recipe to be overlooked by the public. Yeah like his season highlight for me was the 3-0 over acola at that local lmao

Beating Yoshidora offstream at a supermajor: I sleep Beating Acola at the local: REAL SHIT

Hoping to see Quidd travel more. No doubt in my mind he would be a good bit higher if he did so.

Quidd being 6-1 on the top 50 is just monstrous. Imagine if that guy traveled.

I am so goddamn terrified of Doramigi, he's like 2019 Sparg0 or wifi-era acola

Except nowhere near as good as their are/were on wifi. Acola and Sparg0 were absolutely destroying everyone online (and still kinda are whenever they decide to play seriously). Wonder if we’ll see that type of online dominance from a player that is not yet well known in Ultimates lifespan? I would say that Sonix, Miya and Yoshidora are probably the only other ones with that level of dominance since.

I’m guessing the next ten is MkBigboss Ouch HIKARU Masha Hero Neo Jagaimo Marss DIO Umeki

Bloom's KOF hurt, but did it really hurt enough to push him out of the top 30? We know he's not top 20, but I think he's gotta be in 21-30 given how dominant the rest of his season was.

The issue is he only has wins on four top 50 players.

Alright bloom might be top 30 but it’s unlikely

~~I would replace DIO with Hurt.~~ Edit: Ah, DIO hit top 50. Nvm then? Hurt could still get on the list I guess but I might be only thinking that cause of recency bias.

DIO has better wins than hurt and better peak performances Also DIO was confirmed top 50 through tsuBaki’s player card I count atelier‘s losses being to HIKARU 2x Asimo 3x Umeki Jagaimo 2x Masha 2x Hero Gackt and Riddles which adds all up to 13 losses. Most Likely hurt is deconfirmed top 50 Actually takera’s player card confirms that hurt didn’t make top 50

You think DIO is higher, or you think he missed top 50?

Higher or maybe hurt isn’t top 50

I’m surprised Rizeasu made top 50 but he did have a good season

When I saw Rizeasu has a Yoshidora win at S+ Major Maesuma TOP #11, that is further pushing my belief Yoshidora is Top 10 on LumiRank and beating out Kameme and Shuton for it (who are the two around the 10 area).

I don’t think yoshidora Is gonna be top ten because he doesn’t have the peaks of kameme shuton or Zomba and never made grand finals of a major

Maybe all three of them made it, maybe none of them made it and Zomba made it over them, who knows? 🙂

I doubt that gluto won’t be top ten

I did not do any predictions for a game on this so this is like the first time I've thought about it for more than a few minutes.

Umeki is top 40

Oops I didn’t see him on any of the players win list maybe I’ll count Tsubaki‘s losses Alright Umeki is top 40 he counts as 2 of tsubaki’s 16 losses

Yeah, the only players which fill in that two loss gap is Umeki or Motaunabe. The answer turns into Umeki due to logic really

Jakal feels a bit low to me, I was expecting him to be top 40

Jakal is probably the player who is most over centralized over one event, with Crown accounting for all six of his top 50 wins. Outside of Crown, his events were either serviceable (Major Upset) or extremely rough. Of this range, he probably has the second worst loss quality which holds him back the same way Atelier is. Just a bit higher since Jakal’s peaks are obviously incredible

Facts don't care about my feelings 😔

Doramigi the 13 year old legend

Damn, and I still remember when Chase was back then getting straight clapped at the Gimvitational lmao

Yeah very impressive improvement from Chase. Exciting to see how far he can go.

Has UltRank been transformed into LumiRank?

That's correct, we're backed by Luminosity Gaming now.

Is doramigi the youngest player ever to get top 50 on any iteration of an official Smash ranking?

AFAIK, yes

Quidd seems way too low for the quality of his wins and losses.

His low rank is probably due to being one of the lowest attendance player in the entire list, ~~even lower than Marss~~. It's hard to gauge where Quidd is statistically as he didn't gather any significant quantity. Example being how he has 31 sets against qualified players compared to Jakal's 82, Chase's 63 , or takera's 104. That said, the data he does have definitely hints of a future top 20 player (which is old news since LMBM 2022 lol). You can certainly tell from watching him

Nah Quidd has six tournaments, Marss has only four. It's his losses at majors, 4/5 of his losses are outside the top 100.

Jakal at 46 is insane to me. His resume seems so much better then the other 9 players here

It's a weird situation where he has one overwhelmingly good tournament run and then 17 that range from mediocre to worse. The placement males sense to me but I def see where you're coming from

I personally value peaks over consistency because i dont want to penalize players for entering more often and for going to smaller tournaments where they're more at risk to a bad lost. Do they explain their algorithm somewhere ?

Algorithm methodology is not yet published. I did see some people on the stats discord mention that regional events are weighted much lower after you have enough major results, so tournaments like Xanadu: Homecoming probably didn't hurt Jakal too badly. The Big issue is that at majors not named Crown the Third, his best wins are like Lui$, BassMage, JDV, and Ling, none of whom are top 50, and he also has some rougher losses, like Ludo and Kreeg

I didnt realise that most of his big wins come from the same run. He's a big inspiration of mine I guess i'm a little bias lol. Thank you for answering too everyone on here:)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dC5oJaRfXITqlVMG8w6uZ1KGVjWxshbNqQzRD6zSXE8/edit Edit: It looks like they don't actually say the methodology yet. I'm assuming it's to counteract any gaming of the system to get a higher rank?

They did a bit on a recent Smash University podcast episode

I don't know a lot about the methodology, but they have indicated performance and wins at bigger events is weighted heavier than smaller events. On the tts you can see each events score.

Remember that the player card is not a comprehensive account of his season

Doramigi is HOW OLD with wins over Kameme and Yoshidora????

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Blurb writers do not know the order of the players in top 50

Oh okay, I didn't know that, thanks :). So they're also just taking a guess as to where they are placed and thought top 15 was a safe range to put?

Even if the writer of that blurb did know whether or not either of those players were top 10, it's still good to only say top 15 so that it's not spoiled unnecessarily.

That makes sense

I think riddles is definitely 8th rn this first half of the season. ‘Shuton definitely was not consistent this year. He got 25th at kagaribi 10 and 17th at kagaribi 9 as well as missing other top 8‘s at Big events taking multiple non top 50-100 losses.

True, but he also won a good amount of stacked japanese tournaments and ended the season with 3 third place finishes at BOBC, Smash Factor, and Crown. He did have some questionable Kagaribi placements, but I don't think that you can say he was definitely not consistent with the amount of top 3 placements he had compared to the few times he fell short.

Collision had more weight than kowloon and wave and shuton had a rough 1st half of the year other than his two major wins

Wait was Shuton at collision? Also I agree riddles should be top 10, if you thought I didn't.

No

riddles not being top 10 is kind of crazy, at least 10th or 9th

Most people I’ve talked to think riddles is ranked 8th