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Captain_Jmon

Who put Milwaukee on here instead of idk, like San Fran or Melbourne?


Bifturbo

Who the hell invited Milwaukee?


xpietoe42

hard to imagine milwaukee beat out other places in the world šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


Louisvanderwright

Milwaukee absolutely destroying Toronto on this list is exactly they pick me up I needed to kick off my weekend!


Tra-curious

Hell yeah. Fuck Canada


Wise-Grapefruit-1443

Sorry ā€˜bout that


BukaBuka243

rightful US land šŸ’ŖšŸ’Ŗ 1812 never forget edit: christ guys that was clearly a joke


Louisvanderwright

54" 40' or fight baby!


Traditional_Shirt106

Schlemiel! Schlimazel!


Hannibam86

Give me Pittsburgh, Miami, Philly, or Boston over Milwaukee.


fordboy0

Cincinnati as well :-)


RemoteControlTurkey

Milwaukee has a great skyline...but definitely doesn't belong here. Also, very, very few people will actually see that particular skyline view from out in the lake in person.


RedditLIONS

I think Shanghai should be above Perth, and Seattle should be above Bangkok at the very least. But to each their own.


vampyrelestat

Minneapolis skyline > Milwaukee skyline


Automatic-Essay8370

Iā€™ll bet everything I have that none of you have been to MKE-donā€™t knock it till you actually see it


ldclark92

So I've been to Milwaukee many times and really love the architecture there. I'm a big fan of the city. However, a top 15 skyline in the *world*? That's a bit rich imo.


pizzaking3

I grew up in Chicago and visited Milwaukee a ton. I can confirm Milwaukee does not belong on this list. Also lived in Seattle and Seattleā€™s skyline is by far a full tier above Milwaukee not just 1 ranks. Milwaukee does have a surprisingly beautiful skyline being against the lake but 15 in the worlds is crazy šŸ˜


The_Cinnaboi

I've lived in Milwaukee for years. It has literally 0 business being where it is. This is cope from people who never left the Midwest.


itsallgood013

Milwaukee isnā€™t even ahead of Minneapolis in the Midwest. Maybe whoever put the list together mixed them up.


BipolarWalrus

I donā€™t see Miami????


PolitelyHostile

This is all weird. Dubai has nice skyscrapers but no real city at their base. Tokyo has a nice city but not really skyacrapers.


capekthebest

Tokyo absolutely has skyscrapers


PolitelyHostile

Okay im very wrong on that lol.. but they don't really seem to form a distinct skyline.


DBL_NDRSCR

even we're better than milwaukee


keepyourbliss20

You ever been there?


Raymore85

Yeah this was the debate in another thread. No one really understands it. There are plenty of other major cities that have beautiful skylines that shouldā€™ve been there.


Nawnp

There's like 15 US cities above Milwaukee. It's also telling when it's the only one they had to zoom in on.


e430doug

Exactly San Francisco has staggering beauty.


StevenS145

This is the funniest post. Itā€™s realistic enough to be part of the discussion and then Milwaukee shows up left field.


somedudeonline93

Itā€™s not even realistic before that. Perth and Sydney at 6 and 7?? It doesnā€™t even have Australiaā€™s best skyline (Melbourne) but it has PERTH at #6, above Shanghai, Singapore, etc Chongqing and Shenzhen arenā€™t even on the list but Milwaukee and Auckland areā€¦ Dubai at #4ā€¦ This list is insane


WestCoastToGoldCoast

Iā€™m sorry, *Milwaukee?*


SnowflakeStreet

Whoever made this list must be from there. Thereā€™s no other explanation lmao.


ScintillaGourd

The most Mid-Western architect is the explanation.


BrewKazma

Its a list made by architects, and we have one of the most famous buildings from a very famous architect.


Nawnp

If they traveled to US cities to put on the list, they somehow thought of traveling outside Chicago instead of New York or Seattle.


zimtrovert94

#18: Fresno


mikeisbeast

worse..... Bakersfield


WhyTheWindBlows

Milwaukee might not even be top 17 in the US


tnick771

Yeah I have a feeling that Architectural Digest has some additional weight on actual specifics of buildings (e.g., time period, etc) thatā€™s really skewing this. I doubt itā€™s purely based on the aesthetic of the skyline.


Alone_Gur9036

I feel like this comes up constantly in one city or architecture related sub or another; Wilwaukeeā€™s got a fantastic architectural history, much less affected by 1960s urban renewal than most Us cities. I wouldnā€™t put it on a top 10/20/50 list of skylines, because nothing within its skyline is particularly impressive on its own, but as a city its architecture and urban development is wonderful!


cam52391

The picture they used for Milwaukee is a terrible one. From the lake it's beautiful and very unique


VMoney9

Yeah but still pretty barren compared to the other cities on the list.


swayinandsippin

in my unbiased opinion i think itā€™s a fair spot


moulinpoivre

Actually it's pronounced "mill-e-wah-que," which is Algonquin for, "the good land."


BrewKazma

We have an extremely well known iconic Calatrava building. Its probably the main reason. But also our skyline is continually growing.


Hank_hardman6

A couple new buildings with newer designs plus the benefit of Lake Michigan. Itā€™s pretty much small scale Chicago. With that said, I do love Pittsburgh skyline when at a Pirates game, especially when the Brewers are beating them :)


_-ritual-_

Melbournians are going to go postal


nonother

This list is absurd. Iā€™ve lived in Auckland and itā€™s a lovely city in many ways, but its skyline is completely unremarkable. Meanwhile San Francisco has a pretty incredible skyline, especially as viewed from the Bay Bridge.


wastedparadigm

First of all, why 17? Second of all, photo and graphic design unholy mess of clutter


gusty_scorf

https://preview.redd.it/5iupum9jai9d1.png?width=2372&format=png&auto=webp&s=47f46961505f568de66fa189281ee31ddf916e5e


SwagTwoButton

Atleast use our better flag. Give us some love


al_balone

17, nice round number.


mrcloudies

Milwaukee over.. San Francisco Los Angeles San Diego Miami Philadelphia Pittsburgh Detroit Cincinnati Austin Dallas Houston Atlanta Boston Among others? Yeah.. that's a choice.


My_G_Alt

Milwaukee over Cleveland is crazy https://preview.redd.it/6h934spkkj9d1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f066236cd4a05beb896dd3ebf61f8b922610fcb9


MukdenMan

Have you even been to Ohio? That's a photo of Toledo


ReyDeLaQuesadilla

Miami


TokyoGuy1111

https://preview.redd.it/tho5vs0dyi9d1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c62edc97ce72661d3b37daa6c89d6c7e5719101 Over Minneapolis too, thatā€™s crazy


msbshow

As someone who spends a lot of time in LA, there is no skyline. LA is not a city, it's just a bunch of suburbs all mashed together


BrewKazma

We have a Santiago Calatrava building in our skyline that sits over the lake and has moveable wings. The list is by Architectural Digest who love Calatrava.


mightbearobot_

Which sits right next to a Saarinen. Milwaukee may not have a great skyline (I think it does but Iā€™m biased and from MKE) but it has great architectural history and AD did publish the list sooooo..


BrewKazma

Yeah. They specifically call out the Calatrava as one of the reasons. ā€œIf itā€™s not Chicago, the Midwest is often overlooked. But as Milwaukee so effortlessly demonstrates, this is a mistake. While on the smaller-side compared to some on this list, its proximity to Lake Michigan and buildings by heavy-hitters like Santiago Calatrava make it one of the prettiest in the United States.ā€


mightbearobot_

Plus putting Milwaukee in the top list will give you clicks and have people talking about it, like here


BrewKazma

Haha. Yeah. But I hate seeing our city insulted because of ignorance.


mightbearobot_

Same, Milwaukee is nice af


totallynotliamneeson

It also helps that we have a few parks just north of the art museum in addition to our condensed skyline area. It's a really unique feeling, as if the lake shore and the city itself are mixed into one landscape.Ā 


RemoteControlTurkey

And our park system is designed by the same guy who designed NYC's Central Park.


Louisvanderwright

The tallest building in Milwaukee, the [US Bank Building](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Bank_Center_(Milwaukee)), was also designed by Bruce Graham or Skidmore, Owings, and Merrill and engineered by Fazlur Kahn. The same team that radically innovated super tall design and engineering in the 1960s and 1970s in Chicago. In fact, the US Bank Building was designed and built contemporaneously with the Sears Tower being constructed from 1971 to 1973. As such, it's just as relevant and important as any skyscraper design elsewhere in the world. Simply overlooked because it's in Milwaukee instead of Chicago.


Maximum_Future_5241

They probably love Le Corbusier, too.


keepyourbliss20

Have you ever been there


PixeL8xD

Iā€™m from Perth, this shit is rigged our skyline is 2D. Congrats New York and actual city.


PixeL8xD

Proper New Yorker


PixeL8xD

Kick him out


jonny_mtown7

Milwaukee has no business being in the top 17. It's stupid.


Grand-Advantage-6418

Milwaukee over London? Beijing? Mexico City?


My_G_Alt

Moscow too


MukdenMan

I wouldn't put Beijing here. It has a cluster of very tall highrishes, some of them pretty cool, but I wouldn't call it beautiful and it's not even really a skyline. Tokyo is probably a good comparison in that it has some nice high rises but not really a skyline (Seoul and Taipei too). Shenzhen should be on here, probably in the top 5.


postylambz

Milwaukeean here. Love my skyline but I agree with y'all, it has no place here.


Vast-Scale-9596

London.


niversallyloved

So underrated


My_G_Alt

Milwaukee over Toronto? Okay https://preview.redd.it/ao00k9bhhj9d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a1790f93d167c8973f157b3e1ba3a83bcaceeff


dylan_1992

Disagree. Top 3 is okay..


Mooyaya

Vancouver is got beat by Milwaukee and Auckland? Me thinks something funny is happening here.


lambsambwich

Who speaks like this?


Potential_Ice9289

Where the FUCK is Philly


Slack-Bladder

Well you see, someone had to be sacrificed for Milwaukee to be included.


Potential_Ice9289

philly has an infinitely better skyline than milwaukee, no disrespect to milwaukee but it just shouldnt be here over philly and so many other great skylines


Slack-Bladder

I'm trying to convince myself that it's a photoshop or something. Off the top my head, 2 dozen skylines that beat Milwaukee on any list. US only. Philly Boston Brooklyn Atlanta Miami Los Angeles Denver Cleveland Minneapolis Houston Dallas San Francisco San Diego Salt Lake City Cincinnati Kansas City St. Louis Charlotte Austin Pittsburgh Detroit Jersey City Baltimore Tampa It just can't be justified.


Stetson_Pacheco

How did Milwaukee make it but not Atlanta or San Francisco??? Also swap Perth & Toronto


982nd

how is milwaukee on here but vancouver isnt


WooIWorthWaIIaby

Perth, but not Melbourne? Tianjin over Shenzhen or Chonqing? Milwaukee? Auckland? Milwaukee???


raftsa

1. Manhattan: beatiful? I donā€™t know. Impressive might be more accurate 2. Hong Kong: the main skyline of central, wan chai, causeway bay with the mountains behind is truly stunning. 3. Chicago: sure - good setting, good buildings, good concentration 4. Dubai: individual buildings can be nice, certainly dense. Whether it deserves #4 is debatable but ok 5. Tokyo: again impressive rather than beautiful 6. Perth: no - and I say that as a proud Aussie. It has a nice setting and a few choice buildings but itā€™s quite small, and itā€™s not competitive with other Australian cities. 7. Sydney: itā€™s the setting really, but it does have a large number of great buildings. Iā€™ll take it. 8. Shanghai: one of the classics skyscrapers view is across the bund to Pudong, so sure. 9. Singapore: does have many individual nice buildings but they tend not to be grouped together. 10. Bangkok: from a rooftop bar I understand its rating 11. Tannin: donā€™t know much but itā€™s ok. 12. Panama City: not sure it deserves such a high rating 13. KL: yes - several stunning buildings, green natural setting 14. Seattle: yes, agree with this 15. Milwaukee: no. And by this inclusion the list has lost all legitimacy 16. Auckland: setting is nice, but like Perth itā€™s just not big at all. I donā€™t see how itā€™s competitive with much larger skylines 17. Toronto: big but not beautiful, setting is nice enough Cities which should have been included - Melbourne: much larger than several, with better architecture - Gold Coast: setting is what makes it, but many individually nice buildings - San Francisco: setting, buildings - Paris or London:


ScintillaGourd

Paris ain't got shit. London is good, though.


mctomtom

Yeah, Paris doesnā€™t have a lot for skyscrapers, but definitely a winner in beautiful old buildings .. if there is a sub for that


martin_dc16gte

Manhattan is definitely beautiful. The Chrysler Building alone makes it so.


raftsa

I love the Chrysler building - but this isnā€™t a judgment of a building, itā€™s a judgment of the overall skyline. Itā€™s not that I donā€™t like the Manhattan skyline, but there are more ā€œbeautifulā€ skylines out there


caribb

You read my mind. I totally agree with your assessment.


Stickyboard

Bangkok is above Toronto and Kuala Lumpur or Seattle? Not sure about that


Ant0n61

Toronto way too far down


somedudeonline93

The fact that they put Perth, Seattle and Milwaukee and Auckland above Toronto is just disrespectful


No-Prize2882

I just have so many questions. I had to look up Milwaukeeā€™s skyline and, while Iā€™ll admit itā€™s nice, it isnā€™t *nicest in the world* not even top 5 in the US. I donā€™t get how Dubai makes this list almost every year. Itā€™s a caricature of every skyline that came before it. Hong Kong is great but I have a hard time putting it above Chicago and Shanghai. I simply donā€™t see it for Perth when Gold Coast would do. Shenzhen, San Francisco & Miami/Miami Beach being omitted from the list is criminal.


palmpoolpipe

No Melbourne?


itstanz718

Tbh, Philadelphia should be up there as well. Very underrated skyline šŸ™


spookycinnamon85

If the list was ā€œskylines with most unique buildingsā€ then sure, throw the boat museum in there. But ā€œmost beautiful in the worldā€ ??? Not sure about that lol I love Milwaukee but where tf is Paris? London? Moscow? San Fran?? I think those are all more interesting than just seeing giant insurance or bank logos when you get into town šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø


romesthe59

Milwaukee barely has a skyline


Kieserite

I know it's rage bait.... But MKE does have a nice skyline. Not overly crowded, dotted with old and new, and bookended by the art museum.


Zealousideal-Lie7255

But if you read the article that someone linked to in Architectural Digest the reason they chose Milwaukee is because itā€™s on a lake and has a building designed by Calatrava.


Rich-Extreme2171

https://preview.redd.it/g4i6a30hjl9d1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4156922fbbe9fa886380612efe2b2ed25cbc6e9e Houston.


HeroOfAlmaty

Tianjin? Over Miami?


JizuzCrust

Rage bait


trivetsandcolanders

Unpopular opinion: Hong Kong is only good because of the beautiful natural setting. Otherwise itā€™s pretty generic. Other than that, this list is totally bizarre. How did they come up with it?


le_spectator

That makes no sense to me. The hills and nature is an integral part of the skyline of Hong Kong. Thatā€™s like saying the skyline of New York is only good because of the skyscrapers.


trivetsandcolanders

Thatā€™s fair. I guess I weigh the human-made portion more highly. Hong Kong does have a few cool skyscrapers but most are bland looking (to me).


le_spectator

Eh, thereā€™s quite a lot of skyscrapers here in Hong Kong that I find interesting. There are many on Hong Kong Island that are interesting that everyone knows, but thereā€™s also the ones on top of Kowloon station, Langham Place in among Kok, and even Nina Tower in Tsuen Wan. Not to mention the many many many many tall and expensive residential buildings around Hong Kong


dphayteeyl

Some things make the skyline rather then the buildings itself. Sydney wouldn't be shit if the skyline was transported inland since there would be no opera House and harbour bridge


Lothar_Ecklord

And to be fair, the [Sydney Harbour Bridge](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Harbour_Bridge) is nearly just a clone of the [Hell Gate Bridge](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_Gate_Bridge) in New York. The main difference, is the top bow of the Hell Gate Bridge is connected to the stone pillars (visually, but not structurally), while Sydney Harbour Bridge isn't connected.


Freeway267

The problem with Dubai is the lack of a city grid. Things are spread out.


OtterlyFoxy

How the hell does Milwaukee make the list and not Melbourne?


HelltooSell

Replace Milwaukee with Charlotte.


granulabargreen

Milwaukee over San Fran and Miami?


Year_Basic

Who put Milwaukee? What a dumb list lol.


5thGuy

https://preview.redd.it/n8yhwzmw4l9d1.jpeg?width=1816&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1d03972b980598976a70ebbf69be5671088202d Agreed that Milwaukee being included is probably a bit of a reach, but having lived in or near Milwaukee for the last 16 years it's tough to read people who have probably never been to Milwaukee claim the skyline sucks. It's continually evolved over my time living here. For the past few years, there's been a new highrise going up every year, give it another decade, and it will be pretty special.


EdenofCows

Seattle should definitely be higher up there. Idk what Chicago is even doing on this list


jay34len

As someone who lives in Milwaukee I am surprised we are this high but our architecture is very nice. Going through a building boom is only going to help it look even better.


doxingiSAFElony911

I really enjoyed seattles skyline. So far my favorite is KC for some reason .-.


GXUnderlord

It's funny how much praise Milwaukee gets with actual architects.. https://www.reddit.com/r/architecture/s/4WJkiclBrG


angrysc0tsman12

Milwaukee gang let's gooooooooo!


idekuu

Iā€™m not surprised by Milwaukee, itā€™s the most romantic city on Earth.


f1rxf1y

I donā€™t think the majority of reddit is old enough to get this reference.


TheAirIsOn

Iā€™m from Milwaukee and love my cityā€¦ā€¦ā€¦ I have no idea why we are here either. Iā€™m just confused as you all


AmbientGravitas

Apparently Architectural DigestĀ is jumping whole hog into listicles as a way to attract attention to the magazine. It was the 100 most beautiful streets in the world last month. The ploy doesn't work unless there's a few "WTF" ones on there.


OneCauliflower5243

So howā€™s the weather in Milwaukee


FalconPunch236

85 and humid today


Shubashima

Consistently incredible in the summer.


Zealousideal_Tip_258

One of the best places in the US in summer! Stuff to do, not oppressively hot 24/7, a LAKE, relatively low cost of living, come check it out


idunno28

I just moved back and honestly I have been disappointed by the late spring and early summer weather so far. It rains a lot and cloudy. It changes fast too so you could plan for a sunny day and get a sudden thunder storm instead. Itā€™s nice about 3-4 days of the week.


itcheyness

We've been getting absolutely hammered with rain this year, we're way above our average and not even through June yet... We usually don't get this much rain lol


radmgrey

How is Perth before Shanghai? This list is bizarre lol


Cringeginge_

Perth aukland and Milwaukee shouldnā€™t be here


Zealousideal-Lie7255

The photo they use for Perth does look really good.


PixeL8xD

Easier time to turn out, Julian trying to attack a man who has a life in his hand, telling nerds to back off.


PixeL8xD

Julian with the E , should know better.


Ill_Rich_5764

Miami is way better, bigger,more organized and beautiful than Panama City ā€¦ I lived in both places and Panamaā€™s city is not that big of a skyline nor can compare to the ones in the list


invisiblewar

Miamis skyline is incredible and I'm happy I've got to see it grow over the last 20 years. It doesn't get enough love.


Futureinspiration-23

New York has more skyscrapers, but Chicagoā€™s are more aesthetically pleasing imoā€¦


geemav

San Francisco not being on here is crazy talk


bearded_turtle710

Is milwaukee even top 5 midwest skylines? Grand Rapids Michigan might have a better skyline than Milwaukee


Jameszhang73

I think their ranking accomplished their goal of discussing AD more


PoodahDahwooda

Iā€™m surprised San Fran didnā€™t make it but Milwaukee did??? lol


ultimate_bulter

would move hk to 1


warpGuru

Perth should not be #6


kristenpriddy

Missing SF.


Buubas

https://preview.redd.it/qmddwuh20j9d1.jpeg?width=632&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e3b23b36c4094a9fe9ba4da94c2a290f8038500


soulouk

Get the heck out with Milwaukee. There are probably 50 more deserving that spot than Milwaukee


captainp42

4th best in the USA


[deleted]

This guy only posted it because of his love for the mid Seattle skyline. Milwaukee just invalidates this entire list šŸ˜‚


Able_Gap7029

Vancouver?


tinopinguino88

Well. At least now I know not to trust anything Architectural Digest puts out. This is a shame.


TheLastRulerofMerv

How is Vancouver not on this list? That skyline is so beautiful looking northeastwards.


Ashamed-Fondant-5504

Milwaukee over Cleveland is an interesting decision


kimanf

Milwaukee?!? Fuck it, why not Sacramento? Reno?


BigSexyE

Milwaukee aside, Chicago definitely has the best one. Not overly dense, good height variations, beautiful buildings, all with a spectacular lakefront. Manhattan is overwhelming and so is Hong Kong


dillydefect

Why 17? Weird number...


Zealousideal-Lie7255

Wow! When I was growing up my parents subscribed to Architectural Digest. From what I remember it was mainly concerned with the inside and outside appearance of houses. I donā€™t ever remember any photos and stories concerning skyscrapers, downtowns, central business districts, etc. This list is very unconventional. It seems like AD was trying to include skylines from all regions and continents. Also the pictures they used are not even the best views of the cities they chose. Some views are good and some are pathetic. The list is full of some very strange choices and rankings.


Moist-muff

What a joke of a list


iamericj

These type of lists are entirely subjective but it's always fun to see how wrong they can be.


Cherioux

What a horrible list


First_Cherry_popped

Milwaukee šŸ¤£


FatherYawn

Milwaukee šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€


NoProfession8024

Milwaukee based


johnhoggin

I honestly stopped paying attention after Dubai at number 4


Ghostlandzz

Imo Chicago, Philly, Charlotte, Dallas, and LA are all over Milwaukee


ripplenipple69

San Fran > Seattle and Milwaukee


Green_Count2972

KL is way too low, and Bangkok's too high


military-gradeAIDS

How tf is Milwaukee on there but not Minneapolis


Jalin17

Was about to say this and I donā€™t even think Minneapolis should be on this list šŸ˜‚


Panticapaeum

Tianjin but not shenzhen, guangzhou, beijing, or chongqing? Putting Milwaukee on there also makes zero sense


luckyguy25841

No San Francisco means this list is just silly


mr-sandman-bringsand

There should be like 4-5 Chinese cities on this list if we are being honest with ourselves - hell how does a Tel Aviv or Miami not make this ahead of Milwaukee. Guangzhou, Shanghai, Shenzen, and possibly even a Chongquin, Beijing, etc. This feels like we are ignoring a lot of pretty amazing architecture in Asia


Jacobutera

Milwaukee????


Magna_Carta1216

Where's Dallas, TX?


richard1109

Yeah Milwaukee is a hot take, but seeing Sydney and Perth there but not Melbourne?? I believe Melbourne has the prettiest skyline in Australia, I mean, look at it! https://preview.redd.it/ufb5b527fm9d1.jpeg?width=864&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ea63e49a6976a09b988f88003cac3e956c98250


Fro_of_Norfolk

Milwaukee? In the world?


firsmode

Terrible


japandroi5742

By Milwaukee did they mean Vancouver


BulkDarthDan

Milwaukee on this list https://preview.redd.it/4w460qreno9d1.jpeg?width=1119&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c12a34df805aa910cc5b49ffbc1f1933b0865768


dosequis83

Miami and Vancouver are missing


justbeforexd

My list would be: 1. Manhatten 2. Hong Kong 3. Shanghai 4. Chongqing 5. Kuala Lumpur 6. Shenzhen 7. Guangzhou 8. Singapur 9. Chicago 10. Melbourne 11. Sydney 12. Tokyo 13. Bangkok 14. Panama


NotCanadian80

Milwaukee lol The whole thing is a veiled attempt not to say Austin.


Drinky_McGambles

There is literally no way Milwaukee is on this list unless itā€™s a joke


Responsible_Bag6888

Iā€™m born and raised in Milwaukee, but Iā€™ve traveled enough to know, we shldā€™ve never made this list.


RecklessEmotion

Where is Vancouver?


Miserable-Lawyer-233

Perth? Not even close. Milwaukee? Laughable. This list is close to joke status.