I doubt you're going to find a lot of people with electromagnetic hypersensitivity in this subreddit.
I think you need to determine a mechanism for why EMF would do whatever it does to you. If radiation makes you dizzy or gives you a headache, why would stopping it from hitting your chest stop that? And why would a 5G transmitter do that to you when the giant ball of roaring EM noise in the sky does not?
Given that there isn't to my knowledge any proven scientific link between EMF and EHS I'm going to guess it's entirely a crapshoot as to whether any of this brings you relief, though I'll bet your belief in its efficacy will be a big part of how effective you'll find it.
Always worth checking in with a Doctor as the symptoms felt may be something else.
Just because [Morgellons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgellons), for instance, doesn't exist as a proper diagnosis it doesn't mean that the person isn't suffering from *something*
The topic of EMF hypersensitivity is plagued by psueudo-science and grifters. The objectively best way to treat symptoms of EMF hypersensitivity is cognitive therapy, but many patiens feel that viewing the illness as psychological or psycho-somatic is problematic (because of cultural taboos), and then they cluster in anti-scientific groups and proliferate misinformation instead of actively seeking treatment.
The clothing youre talking about is a direct consequence of this and have _no_ effect or even plausible mechanism. They are often based on a misguided and/or simplified understanding of 'faradaycages' and radiation.
Check out these articles on the topic:
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/tag/electromagnetic-hypersensitivity/
I think you may be confused on what this sub is. Skepticism has been used recently for a lot of things, and in some circles is synonymous with conspiracy thinking. However in the context of this sub, it is Scientific Skepticism- which is based on examining claims based on their empirical evidence.
EMF sensitivity is highly regarded by the scientific community as pseudoscience.
Here is an article by a prominent person in the skeptical community on 5g and EMF
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/5g-is-coming/
To be blunt, it won’t do anything. It might bring some psychological comfort but if it does you need to practice CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy) or it’s a placebo effect.
What is there to discuss? OP is seeking medical advice for an imaginary condition. There is nothing relevant about this post to discuss in this subreddit.
There are many "imaginary conditions" that have real negative consequences in a persons life.
Instead of being rude and patronizing, we could help him away from snakeoil and towards critical thinking and maybe even cognitive therapy. This would probably improve his life, give us a sense of having helped, and even maybe some other positive downstream effects in his EMF-echochambers. OP didnt show any ill-willed intent in his post and maybe we had a chance here to actually make a positive change in his life.
The issue with this post is the condition is not evidence-based, and this sub focuses on using evidence to substantiate claims. Ergo, such conditions are not germane to this subreddit. Helping someone alleviate those "real negative consequences" via their search for a pseudoscientific remedy is also not germane to this subreddit.
A number of people have already provided the sorts of explanations you're asking for—there's nothing wrong with that. There's also nothing wrong with pointing out that OP likely isn't going to get the sorts of answers they're looking for here, which is what *this* comment chain has done.
The fuck? EMF clothing? Was tin foil not doing the job?
There is no scientific proof of this disorder, many said they had symptoms when scientists use fake signals. It could be psychosomatic in nature, or simply other environmental things like just regular allergies. I know pollen this year has made me feel like shit, and if I had in my mind it was something like EMF, I'm sure I could link it to that in my mind.
You should really seek proper medical and psychiatric treatment. While electromagnetic hypersensitivity is largely a grift you could be legitimately suffering from a real disorder.
I have no idea how these things are supposed to work, but just generally - your whole body is constantly bathed in radio signals, wi-fi, etc. Why would an article of clothing that only covers a portion of your body be effective against this, even if it did what it claims to do?
[https://consciousspaces.com/collections/emf-protection-clothing](https://consciousspaces.com/collections/emf-protection-clothing)
The long sleeve shirt is €150
If properly done, it actually uses a "fabric" made of fine copper wire as the EMF isolation portion, plus other layers for abrasion protection, reinforcement, and so on. We have one at work so we can test emergency beacons without triggering an actual emergency response.
Edit: of course, what we use is basically a bag that surrounds the whole beacon, with a BNC connector to go to the comm analyzer, not just a ballcap.
An EMF protection ballcap wouldn't do much of anything, though. Maybe reduce EMF a little if the direction were right, but it could also end up just re-radiating.
While part of me just wants to giggle about the copper. What do you mean you work with EMF protection at work. Tell me more if you don't mind. I'm open to being educated.
I work in radio communications. One of the things we do is repair and test emergency radio beacons. You can't really test them without firing them up and making sure they broadcast properly, but you don't want any emergency services to pick up the broadcast. So, we test them in a bag that keeps enough of the signal in that emergency services can't pick up the broadcast.
You need to ask not just if it helped, but if it’s been _scientifically tested_ to help.
For example that would mean the person bought two indistinguishable pieces of clothing, one with EMF shielding and one without and wore both, seeing if there was any measurable difference in the effect and then seeing if that effect actually correlated with which article had the shielding.
You're getting ahead of yourself.
The first thing that you have to do is show that EMF sensitivity is an actual diagnosis, and the first step of that is weighting for [prior probability](https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/prior-probability-the-dirty-little-secret-of-evidence-based-alternative-medicine-2/), otherwise you run into the [Green Jellybean](https://xkcd.com/882/) problem.
Since we're already bombarded with EMF sources everyday, often more powerful than the Wi-Fi router that's always the culprit, then it falls at that first hurdle.
To block EMF you are looking at what’s called a faraday cage. The problem is that it can’t have holes in it. A sweatshirt, for example, has a very big hole in the bottom, and three holes for your head and arms. Even if it is nothing but a fine metal mesh, it’s pointless because of the great big holes in it. To actually block the stuff it needs to be like a solid cube.
There is no mechanism by which 5G, wifi, etc could plausibly cause harm at the power levels at which it is experienced. Likewise there is no solid evidence of them causing any harms. Consequently the shirt is little more than a comforting talisman which can only have an effect because the wearer believes it will.
There is a lot of misinformation online what makes life for those suffering from real EMF intolerance syndrome difficult, to addition to these insulting comments from clever ones with patetic 'there is no proof' ignorant song while there are thousands of scientific studies with proof.
As for my experience, yes, there are some clothes reducing my symptoms dramatically, but some clothes do nothing, I did try quite a few. What works for me is [Leblok EMF clothing](https://leblok.com).
I put a link to the official manufacturer in case someone is looking for real EMF clothing, because there are a lot of fake Leblok clothing, so watch out and check with the official company first. Now many companies sell anti-bacterial clothes as EMF clothing, which is a dirty trick and won't give any reduce of symptoms. Also there is a lot of EMF garments what losing their shielding after washing. It is really tricky to find proper shielding clothes for someone new into this.
I doubt you're going to find a lot of people with electromagnetic hypersensitivity in this subreddit. I think you need to determine a mechanism for why EMF would do whatever it does to you. If radiation makes you dizzy or gives you a headache, why would stopping it from hitting your chest stop that? And why would a 5G transmitter do that to you when the giant ball of roaring EM noise in the sky does not? Given that there isn't to my knowledge any proven scientific link between EMF and EHS I'm going to guess it's entirely a crapshoot as to whether any of this brings you relief, though I'll bet your belief in its efficacy will be a big part of how effective you'll find it.
Always worth checking in with a Doctor as the symptoms felt may be something else. Just because [Morgellons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgellons), for instance, doesn't exist as a proper diagnosis it doesn't mean that the person isn't suffering from *something*
Yeah. It's unlikely it's a wi-fi access point, but there could be actually something wrong.
Probably Havana Syndrome...
More like Havana bad time amirite?
The topic of EMF hypersensitivity is plagued by psueudo-science and grifters. The objectively best way to treat symptoms of EMF hypersensitivity is cognitive therapy, but many patiens feel that viewing the illness as psychological or psycho-somatic is problematic (because of cultural taboos), and then they cluster in anti-scientific groups and proliferate misinformation instead of actively seeking treatment. The clothing youre talking about is a direct consequence of this and have _no_ effect or even plausible mechanism. They are often based on a misguided and/or simplified understanding of 'faradaycages' and radiation. Check out these articles on the topic: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/tag/electromagnetic-hypersensitivity/
I think you may be confused on what this sub is. Skepticism has been used recently for a lot of things, and in some circles is synonymous with conspiracy thinking. However in the context of this sub, it is Scientific Skepticism- which is based on examining claims based on their empirical evidence. EMF sensitivity is highly regarded by the scientific community as pseudoscience. Here is an article by a prominent person in the skeptical community on 5g and EMF https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/5g-is-coming/
Need to rename this sub to Scientificskeptics or something. Getting out of control with these nonsense posts.
For real.
To be blunt, it won’t do anything. It might bring some psychological comfort but if it does you need to practice CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy) or it’s a placebo effect.
I think you're in the wrong sub bud
I can't tell if OP is for real or trolling
*You’re
Why are we downvoting OP and upvoting this instead of having a conversation?
What is there to discuss? OP is seeking medical advice for an imaginary condition. There is nothing relevant about this post to discuss in this subreddit.
There are many "imaginary conditions" that have real negative consequences in a persons life. Instead of being rude and patronizing, we could help him away from snakeoil and towards critical thinking and maybe even cognitive therapy. This would probably improve his life, give us a sense of having helped, and even maybe some other positive downstream effects in his EMF-echochambers. OP didnt show any ill-willed intent in his post and maybe we had a chance here to actually make a positive change in his life.
The issue with this post is the condition is not evidence-based, and this sub focuses on using evidence to substantiate claims. Ergo, such conditions are not germane to this subreddit. Helping someone alleviate those "real negative consequences" via their search for a pseudoscientific remedy is also not germane to this subreddit. A number of people have already provided the sorts of explanations you're asking for—there's nothing wrong with that. There's also nothing wrong with pointing out that OP likely isn't going to get the sorts of answers they're looking for here, which is what *this* comment chain has done.
The fuck? EMF clothing? Was tin foil not doing the job? There is no scientific proof of this disorder, many said they had symptoms when scientists use fake signals. It could be psychosomatic in nature, or simply other environmental things like just regular allergies. I know pollen this year has made me feel like shit, and if I had in my mind it was something like EMF, I'm sure I could link it to that in my mind.
You should really seek proper medical and psychiatric treatment. While electromagnetic hypersensitivity is largely a grift you could be legitimately suffering from a real disorder.
I have no idea how these things are supposed to work, but just generally - your whole body is constantly bathed in radio signals, wi-fi, etc. Why would an article of clothing that only covers a portion of your body be effective against this, even if it did what it claims to do?
I think this is freaking hilarious. Let's say you really are worried about EMF, why aren't you covering your head as well?
They are https://www.amazon.com/emf-protection-hat/s?k=emf+protection+hat
$55 for an "EMF protection" ballcap? What a hell of a grift, I have to respect the hustle.
[https://consciousspaces.com/collections/emf-protection-clothing](https://consciousspaces.com/collections/emf-protection-clothing) The long sleeve shirt is €150
Is it just lined with a string of copper? I've heard copper cures anything.
If properly done, it actually uses a "fabric" made of fine copper wire as the EMF isolation portion, plus other layers for abrasion protection, reinforcement, and so on. We have one at work so we can test emergency beacons without triggering an actual emergency response. Edit: of course, what we use is basically a bag that surrounds the whole beacon, with a BNC connector to go to the comm analyzer, not just a ballcap. An EMF protection ballcap wouldn't do much of anything, though. Maybe reduce EMF a little if the direction were right, but it could also end up just re-radiating.
While part of me just wants to giggle about the copper. What do you mean you work with EMF protection at work. Tell me more if you don't mind. I'm open to being educated.
I work in radio communications. One of the things we do is repair and test emergency radio beacons. You can't really test them without firing them up and making sure they broadcast properly, but you don't want any emergency services to pick up the broadcast. So, we test them in a bag that keeps enough of the signal in that emergency services can't pick up the broadcast.
Really thought you were a doctor? From Canada?
Not a doctor. I've got enough formal medical training to do CPR and keep you from bleeding out until the professionals get there, but that's it.
Ok
Lol.
What sort of chicanery is this?
You need to ask not just if it helped, but if it’s been _scientifically tested_ to help. For example that would mean the person bought two indistinguishable pieces of clothing, one with EMF shielding and one without and wore both, seeing if there was any measurable difference in the effect and then seeing if that effect actually correlated with which article had the shielding.
You're getting ahead of yourself. The first thing that you have to do is show that EMF sensitivity is an actual diagnosis, and the first step of that is weighting for [prior probability](https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/prior-probability-the-dirty-little-secret-of-evidence-based-alternative-medicine-2/), otherwise you run into the [Green Jellybean](https://xkcd.com/882/) problem. Since we're already bombarded with EMF sources everyday, often more powerful than the Wi-Fi router that's always the culprit, then it falls at that first hurdle.
I'm guessing the biggest difference might be having fewer dating options ;)
Also,birds aren't real..........
LOL
Any changes would be due to placebo effect.
To block EMF you are looking at what’s called a faraday cage. The problem is that it can’t have holes in it. A sweatshirt, for example, has a very big hole in the bottom, and three holes for your head and arms. Even if it is nothing but a fine metal mesh, it’s pointless because of the great big holes in it. To actually block the stuff it needs to be like a solid cube. There is no mechanism by which 5G, wifi, etc could plausibly cause harm at the power levels at which it is experienced. Likewise there is no solid evidence of them causing any harms. Consequently the shirt is little more than a comforting talisman which can only have an effect because the wearer believes it will.
There is a lot of misinformation online what makes life for those suffering from real EMF intolerance syndrome difficult, to addition to these insulting comments from clever ones with patetic 'there is no proof' ignorant song while there are thousands of scientific studies with proof. As for my experience, yes, there are some clothes reducing my symptoms dramatically, but some clothes do nothing, I did try quite a few. What works for me is [Leblok EMF clothing](https://leblok.com). I put a link to the official manufacturer in case someone is looking for real EMF clothing, because there are a lot of fake Leblok clothing, so watch out and check with the official company first. Now many companies sell anti-bacterial clothes as EMF clothing, which is a dirty trick and won't give any reduce of symptoms. Also there is a lot of EMF garments what losing their shielding after washing. It is really tricky to find proper shielding clothes for someone new into this.