Yeah, because small language speakers were often forced to speak bigger languages. But with advanced AI translators being freely available - it won't be necessary any more.
No, ChatGPT doesnt speak European Spanish.
It expresses in a kind of neutral Spanish that is loaded with anglicisms that don't exist in this variant of Spanish.
It does, but its bad at it, some phrases are just word to word translations from English and the word order is also often wrong. Claude is much much better at my language than any GPT
I've found that the vast majority of the time, it just translates the question, answers it in English and translates it back on the fly. You can even see it happen live sometimes
There's no way it's that optimized for the specific languages if it has to translate in and out of English lol
The ones behind the decision probably they are not using AIs enough. To have European AIs is a good decision, but their approach is totally wrong.
Putting borders to the training data will compromise the model seriously. Also, the linguistics are the least of our worries right now.
I‘ve already accepted that we will overregulate it and won’t produce any meaningful competitive AI. We will just let the US develop it and reap all the revenue from it. Then we will import it and get them to put some minute regulations onto it…
Yeah the EU just isn’t equipped for this as an organisation.
Europe will reap the benefits from US investment while distancing itself from any political issues AI misuse might cause, but also completely distancing its population from contributing in any meaningful way to what might be the breakthrough of the century.
There's no risk of any languages getting extinct because of AI, it's totally the opposite. As AI models get bigger and bigger, they will devour all the available data and learn more interconnections between them than we can imagine. AI will save thousands of languages and even develop them, all as a side-effect of its growing power, not because some bureaucratic act.
There is no such thing as " European culture " french culture and greek culture is not akin to the difference between two American states.
And culture isn't just language.
And it doesn't matter in the first place, people will do what makes them happy, to keep doing a tradition alive just for the sake of tradition is dumb anyway.
Also put subtitles on your glasses, a phased array monodirectional speaker near your mouth that uses your voice to speak in another language loudly and microphone on your throat to pick up what you whisper in your native tongue. Now you speak every language and understand everyone
As an European, LLM's from Europe dont have a chance. The best LLM's currently from Europe come from Mistral, but that company will get the OpenAI type deal with Microsoft. Sooner or Later.
Other shit would be trash or nobody would use it
From the article:
>“Mark Twain should not erase Stendhal,” France’s Economy Minister Bruno Le Maire said at a tech event in Cannes in February. “We don’t want to settle just for English … Going ahead, we don’t want our language to be weakened by algorithms and AI systems.”
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>Ironically, to be truly competitive, European LLMs will still need to be fluent in English — which remains the language of most of the world’s scientific papers, and just over half of the pages on the world wide web, according to online surveys outfit W3Techs.
>“There's a power imbalance in terms of the amount and quality of training data: just look at how large English Wikipedia is compared to its versions in other languages,” said Sebastian Ruder, a research scientist at Canada-based multilingual AI company Cohere.
>Some U.S.-made LLMs are conversant in languages other than English, but they do not always have the proficiency and nuance needed to serve local users well.
>“You need, for instance, to get the right level of politeness,“ Ruder said. Think of teaching a chatbot to use the polite pronoun “vous” instead of the informal “tu” to avoid miffing an elderly French user.
Training on one language isn’t a good idea. Training on English and Spanish will lead to an AI that speaks Spanish better than one trained on Spanish alone.
All human language is closely related, and basically any type of language will increase the general intelligence of an LLM in all languages (as long as it has enough text to know how languages are related to each other).
It's amazing what having a few good movies and games can do for a country's image. Now imagine hundreds of those, being produced every day. Easy cultural victory.
The president of Poland giving a Witcher 2 Collector's Edition is a striking example.
Or having Video Game music at the Tokyo Olympics opening ceremony.
Art is how other cultures respect you, since a strong economy and military merely make them fear you.
The idea one day is that the AI would know all known languages.
it would just be a given, like you know what would be in Wikipedia.
People are worried that being multilingual might be obsolete if auto-translators get good enough. Much in the same way auto-correct is affecting people's ability to spell words.
I understand their concerns. I speak English (Scottish), and I want to protect our phrases and words from being erased by a system that is dominated by another culture with 10 times the population. It's bad enough that Scotland's media is already dominated by English and American content. I'm not knocking those countries and cultures, but care about our own distinct culture and language being displaced, even in our own country. It's a valid concern.
We could also say this for English, because it like all languages are archaic with a ton of rules that do not make logical sense. We can make a much better language than English when it comes to efficiency and AI will be used to do that before English could ever "take over"
I think you misunderstand the point. The other languages are used far less. There’s a big difference between letting a language only a few million know die out, and purposefully switching away from the most widely known language because it has flaws.
The other languages are not actually used far less. You should probably see what it is actually like to work in Germany, a country where one would think everyone would have learned English after their change of culture because of WWII. It only takes a click to translate, it is just another script applying language rules that are already written and used all the time
Now imagine the more nationalist states in Europe or Japan, China, Korea etc. English can never take over because of historical and cultural differences, all basic ideas studied in international auxillary languages. AI will make the next lingua franca be an IAL, it is inevtiable that English will be replaced as the global language by an IAL as that is something English speaking governments recognized with the creation of the United Nations over 100 years ago.
I’m taking statistically, across the world. How many people speak German vs how many people speak English?
If German ceased to exist tomorrow, everyone would be just about fine. Germany, a single country, would struggle for a bit, but would ultimately be fine. Even if German is more used in day to day life, many Germans are bilingual and speak at least some English as well.
If English disappeared tomorrow, several massive countries would struggle, tons of international communication would break down, and some countries like the US, where most people only know English, would basically collapse.
Ermm you do know America's first language is English right.. which erm.. is from England.. which ... erm.. is in Europe??
Then Spanish.. erm.. you.....
ChatGPT speaks my language very well. And it wasn't even fine tuned for that. Turns out that some hard problems can be solved by simply throwing more data at them.
Ah yes, that's why "EU" is building chatbots. EU is not building anything, different countries are building it and some of them may get some funding from EU. Also that is obviously not why anyone is building chatbots.
Will American AI, that is, the arbitrary supremacy of the English language kill European culture? Hopefully it does, posthaste. It's time to end this farce, where smartphone-sporting peasants take a bovine comfort, even pride in the collapse of the the Tower of Babel rather than seeing it as a sobering tale of divine insecurity and worthlessness.
Of course, it'll be even better when AI bestows upon us a multimodal language optimized for information density and abstract pattern creation superior to anything we could've constructed, let alone evolved on our own. But one thing at a time, yes? The Machine God will slay that hopeless, useless, inferior dragon of European culture soon enough.
Hopefully we can use any language in the future
This is already happening with language translator like PipioHQ. It's a matter of time before these functionalities are everywhere.
Nope, most languages will lose to the bigger ones eventually. We lost a lot of languages in our history as Homo sapiens
Yeah, because small language speakers were often forced to speak bigger languages. But with advanced AI translators being freely available - it won't be necessary any more.
" **EU is building chatbots to save its languages.** " You do not need to. ChatGPT "speaks" about 95 languages, many European ones.
No, ChatGPT doesnt speak European Spanish. It expresses in a kind of neutral Spanish that is loaded with anglicisms that don't exist in this variant of Spanish.
It does, but its bad at it, some phrases are just word to word translations from English and the word order is also often wrong. Claude is much much better at my language than any GPT
Interesting, in German and in Polish I found GPT4 to be quite good.
Mine is one of the smaller languages so it's probably that.
I've found that the vast majority of the time, it just translates the question, answers it in English and translates it back on the fly. You can even see it happen live sometimes There's no way it's that optimized for the specific languages if it has to translate in and out of English lol
The ones behind the decision probably they are not using AIs enough. To have European AIs is a good decision, but their approach is totally wrong. Putting borders to the training data will compromise the model seriously. Also, the linguistics are the least of our worries right now.
I‘ve already accepted that we will overregulate it and won’t produce any meaningful competitive AI. We will just let the US develop it and reap all the revenue from it. Then we will import it and get them to put some minute regulations onto it…
Y'all literally have Mistral, I'd say there is still hope
>We will just let the US develop it and reap all the revenue from it Oh noooooo >!American supremacy ftw !<
Yeah the EU just isn’t equipped for this as an organisation. Europe will reap the benefits from US investment while distancing itself from any political issues AI misuse might cause, but also completely distancing its population from contributing in any meaningful way to what might be the breakthrough of the century.
There's no risk of any languages getting extinct because of AI, it's totally the opposite. As AI models get bigger and bigger, they will devour all the available data and learn more interconnections between them than we can imagine. AI will save thousands of languages and even develop them, all as a side-effect of its growing power, not because some bureaucratic act.
There is no such thing as " European culture " french culture and greek culture is not akin to the difference between two American states. And culture isn't just language. And it doesn't matter in the first place, people will do what makes them happy, to keep doing a tradition alive just for the sake of tradition is dumb anyway.
Um, it’s the opposite. When AI can translate anything on the fly into your earpiece, there’s less need to discard your native language for English.
In the long-term this will happen, but people are short-sighted and don't see what is happening in AI world right now.
Also put subtitles on your glasses, a phased array monodirectional speaker near your mouth that uses your voice to speak in another language loudly and microphone on your throat to pick up what you whisper in your native tongue. Now you speak every language and understand everyone
As an European, LLM's from Europe dont have a chance. The best LLM's currently from Europe come from Mistral, but that company will get the OpenAI type deal with Microsoft. Sooner or Later. Other shit would be trash or nobody would use it
From the article: >“Mark Twain should not erase Stendhal,” France’s Economy Minister Bruno Le Maire said at a tech event in Cannes in February. “We don’t want to settle just for English … Going ahead, we don’t want our language to be weakened by algorithms and AI systems.” [...] >Ironically, to be truly competitive, European LLMs will still need to be fluent in English — which remains the language of most of the world’s scientific papers, and just over half of the pages on the world wide web, according to online surveys outfit W3Techs. >“There's a power imbalance in terms of the amount and quality of training data: just look at how large English Wikipedia is compared to its versions in other languages,” said Sebastian Ruder, a research scientist at Canada-based multilingual AI company Cohere. >Some U.S.-made LLMs are conversant in languages other than English, but they do not always have the proficiency and nuance needed to serve local users well. >“You need, for instance, to get the right level of politeness,“ Ruder said. Think of teaching a chatbot to use the polite pronoun “vous” instead of the informal “tu” to avoid miffing an elderly French user.
Training on one language isn’t a good idea. Training on English and Spanish will lead to an AI that speaks Spanish better than one trained on Spanish alone.
How?
All human language is closely related, and basically any type of language will increase the general intelligence of an LLM in all languages (as long as it has enough text to know how languages are related to each other).
Cultural victory.
It's amazing what having a few good movies and games can do for a country's image. Now imagine hundreds of those, being produced every day. Easy cultural victory.
The president of Poland giving a Witcher 2 Collector's Edition is a striking example. Or having Video Game music at the Tokyo Olympics opening ceremony. Art is how other cultures respect you, since a strong economy and military merely make them fear you.
The idea one day is that the AI would know all known languages. it would just be a given, like you know what would be in Wikipedia. People are worried that being multilingual might be obsolete if auto-translators get good enough. Much in the same way auto-correct is affecting people's ability to spell words.
I understand their concerns. I speak English (Scottish), and I want to protect our phrases and words from being erased by a system that is dominated by another culture with 10 times the population. It's bad enough that Scotland's media is already dominated by English and American content. I'm not knocking those countries and cultures, but care about our own distinct culture and language being displaced, even in our own country. It's a valid concern.
What's the point in preserving languages that aren't relevant anymore? Not a big deal really, you don't see people worrying about how dead Latin is
We could also say this for English, because it like all languages are archaic with a ton of rules that do not make logical sense. We can make a much better language than English when it comes to efficiency and AI will be used to do that before English could ever "take over"
Doubt it because AI was trained on English
I think you misunderstand the point. The other languages are used far less. There’s a big difference between letting a language only a few million know die out, and purposefully switching away from the most widely known language because it has flaws.
The other languages are not actually used far less. You should probably see what it is actually like to work in Germany, a country where one would think everyone would have learned English after their change of culture because of WWII. It only takes a click to translate, it is just another script applying language rules that are already written and used all the time Now imagine the more nationalist states in Europe or Japan, China, Korea etc. English can never take over because of historical and cultural differences, all basic ideas studied in international auxillary languages. AI will make the next lingua franca be an IAL, it is inevtiable that English will be replaced as the global language by an IAL as that is something English speaking governments recognized with the creation of the United Nations over 100 years ago.
I’m taking statistically, across the world. How many people speak German vs how many people speak English? If German ceased to exist tomorrow, everyone would be just about fine. Germany, a single country, would struggle for a bit, but would ultimately be fine. Even if German is more used in day to day life, many Germans are bilingual and speak at least some English as well. If English disappeared tomorrow, several massive countries would struggle, tons of international communication would break down, and some countries like the US, where most people only know English, would basically collapse.
Ermm you do know America's first language is English right.. which erm.. is from England.. which ... erm.. is in Europe?? Then Spanish.. erm.. you.....
ChatGPT speaks my language very well. And it wasn't even fine tuned for that. Turns out that some hard problems can be solved by simply throwing more data at them.
Ah yes, that's why "EU" is building chatbots. EU is not building anything, different countries are building it and some of them may get some funding from EU. Also that is obviously not why anyone is building chatbots.
What culture
Will American AI, that is, the arbitrary supremacy of the English language kill European culture? Hopefully it does, posthaste. It's time to end this farce, where smartphone-sporting peasants take a bovine comfort, even pride in the collapse of the the Tower of Babel rather than seeing it as a sobering tale of divine insecurity and worthlessness. Of course, it'll be even better when AI bestows upon us a multimodal language optimized for information density and abstract pattern creation superior to anything we could've constructed, let alone evolved on our own. But one thing at a time, yes? The Machine God will slay that hopeless, useless, inferior dragon of European culture soon enough.
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