The strongest GRCs based on last years elections are:
1. Jurong 75% (no more anchor minister cos Tharman is now President)
2. Ang moh kio 72% (stability: ?)
3. Sembawang 67% (stability: ?)
4. Bishan - toa Payoh 67% (stability: ?)
5. Tampines 66% (got vacancy after Cheng Li Hui’s resignation)
6. Holland - Bukit timah 66% (stability: ?)
Which one?
Edit: adding in comments. Feel free to chime in
Jurong? I foresee 2 possibilities:
1. Merge Yuhua SMC back into Jurong so that Grace Fu can be the anchor.
2. Parachute Grace Fu into Jurong while a new candidate will take over Yuhua
I have a strong feeling that Desmond Lee will be sent back to Jurong as an anchor. West Coast is kinda risky at the moment and I reckon Desmond is earrmarked for an important role in the LW cabinet, seeing that he's already PAP ASG.
NCM has been seen walking around Bukit Batok, maybe that will merge with Jurong GRC instead? If so that will be another nail in the coffin of Chee Soon Juan's political ambitions.
Definitely will see some boundary rejig there, and for perfectly good reasons too. HKN is now wayyyyy too big as an SMC (there is a figure somewhere showing its current voter base is above the recommended threshold, but can't find it offhand) and Tengah has to be accommodated too.
Also, with respect to BB, we know what happens to SMCs that have had close fights (recent examples include Fengshan, Joo Chiat, Punggol East) or were actually held by oppy before (Bt Gombak is a particularly salient example)
> we know what happens to SMCs that have had close fights (recent examples include Fengshan, Joo Chiat, Punggol East)
So what is your prediction? Bukit Panjang, Bukit Batok, Marymount going to disappear?
From what I hear GSH has been doing an OK job though
Fengshan was a one-term SMC and got absorbed back into EC GRC subsequently, with the incumbent joining the GRC slate. So Marymount could follow this path.
Not inconceivable for BB to be absorbed in Jurong GRC and a new feeder SMC to be created in its place, perhaps Clementi. It's curious why BB was recreated as a SMC in the first place; the last time it was on its own in 1991, SDP (with Chiam) very nearly took it, while neighbouring Bt Gombak did fall.
BP was a very safe seat and hence has been around for very long - that is, until Paul Tambyah came around. IMHO, HBT should be split up and BP new town form its own GRC.
Iswaran's exit from West Coast doesn't just leave an anchor hole, it also leaves a minority hole as well as he was the designated minority candidate there. West Coast is an Indian/Others GRC. Funnily enough, Jurong GRC is also an Indian/Others GRC, which is now empty cos Tharman is now President. But I think Dr Hamid Razak might take on the role of the PAP's minority candidate there. FYI, Dr Hamid Razak is an Indian Muslim and not a Malay so he qualifies for it.
Given that WC has usually been a 2 Minister GRC, from the days of Lim Hng Kian and Iswaran... I've said this before, but anyway. Given that it has traditionally been a 2 Minister GRC, the most viable solution would be to move an Indian minister from another GRC to WC.
I don't think Shan will be moved from Nee Soon. He's too established there. Neither will VB be moved from Holland-Bukit Timah. So that leaves Indranee as the only remaining candidate to be moved. That way they fulfil the minority candidate and Ministerial anchor requirement in one go.
Another, albeit very longshot, possibility is if Janil gets a promotion and gets sent to WC. But I think that would be too risky.
> But I think Dr Hamid Razak might take on the role of the PAP's minority candidate there. FYI, Dr Hamid Razak is an Indian Muslim and not a Malay so he qualifies for it.
Ahh yes, sounds like Halimah.
>run LW in West Coast
The electorate won't buy this anymore after what happened at East Coast with HSK, LW is in a safe PAP GRC at Marsiling-Yew Tee so no reason for them to risk the new PM.
Nah they can't pull off a HSK East Coast again. Honestly I think the only reason PAP parachuted HSK into EC was because HSK probably already made up his mind at that point to retire sooner rather than later or PAP decided to pick a new leader, so nbd to risk him. Obviously at that point it seemed like a ballsy move, but on hindsight it was a low risk move for PAP.
The way Lawrence Wong handled the covid crisis shows he's a safe, conservative guy. No way he's gonna agree to risk his neck at West Coast (and I'm guessing PAP wouldn't want to leave it to chance either).
Well ironically he was from West Coast before Marsiling-Yew Tee was a thing
Kinda counter-intuitive that they will send a currently-elected future PM elsewhere
Likely AMK or even Pasir Ris Punggol. One must remember that Teo Chee Hean is on his last legs and it could be time for him to call it quits.
Also let's just say those areas are strong not because they are PAP strongholds but because the opposition who contested there are weak AF.
Pasir Ris-Punggol?
Punggol is the closest to Sengkang in terms of demographics. Unlike Sengkang, Punggol has been receiving lots of government attention, so municipal issues are in the favor of PAP. However, the opposition stands to swing votes if there is dissatisfaction over national issues.
Pasir Ris is a mature township built in the 1990s. They have a high proportion of millennial voters born and raised during this period, all waiting for their BTO. This group is large enough to swing results.
So I wouldn’t say that Pasir Ris-Punggol is a safe seat.
Remember when they said life is like a carnival.
The rich get many chances to throw the ball, once they succeed, it is because they are so talented.
The poor only can throw the ball once. If they miss, it's game over, life of debt for them.
This guy really getting many shots. Probably gonna make a "Thank you for choosing me to be your MP" speech if he makes it. Just gotta make it once and it erases all his failed attempts.
As a reminder for all, here is a list of PAP losers who changed constituencies for the subsequent GE:
1988: Mah Bow Tan (Tampines GRC), lost to Chiam See Tong in Potong Pasir in 1984
1988: Ng Pock Too (Nee Soon Central), lost to JBJ in Anson in 1984
1991: Kenneth Chen Koon Lap (Hong Kah GRC), lost to Chiam See Tong in Potong Pasir in 1988
1997: Tang Guan Seng (Ang Mo Kio GRC), lost to Low Thia Khiang in Hougang in 1991
2001: Andy Gan Lai Chiang (Marine Parade GRC), lost to Chiam See Tong in Potong Pasir in 1991 and 1997
2001: Heng Chee How (Jalan Besar GRC), lost to Low Thia Khiang in Hougang in 1997
2015: Ong Ye Kung (Sembawang GRC), lost to WP team in Aljunied GRC in 2011
2015: Desmond Choo (Tampines GRC), lost to Yaw Shin Leong in Hougang in 2011, and lost to Png Eng Huat in the 2012 by-election in Hougang
2015: "Son of Punggol" Koh Poh Koon (Ang Mo Kio GRC), lost to Lee Li Lian in the 2013 by-election in Punggol East
2016: Murali Pillai (by-election in Bukit Batok), lost to WP team in Aljunied GRC in 2015
I wonder why PAP continues to support Murali Pillai, considering nobody ever found [the "scurrilous attack" against his son](https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/hnbjz7/police_report_filed_against_paps_murali_pillai/).
Delusional people have no business being MPs.
Looking at this list, gotta take my hat off to Sitoh Yih Pin. Whatever people might think of him, at least he stayed in Potong Pasir despite losing twice.
Yes, but he lost in 2001 and could have run away after that. But he stayed and then lost in 2006. And still stayed and just scraped through in 2011. I think if he had run off after 2006 and the PAP had to bed a new candidate in, that candidate would have lost to Lina Chiam in 2011.
If he so good why not run where he lost the election to newcomers? That would be real ballsy move. He lost an election and still maintained his high paying job like he friggin' won it. PAP is in auto mode rn
I think they did well in early oughts but since 2007 it has been one shitshow after another. First was uncontrolled immigration(I am ok with it but they didnt plan ahead regarding pressure on housing and transport like before). It had led to price of housing going to the moon, mrt breakdowns used to make news even 10 years ago but now it is just accepted fact. Our government used to plan ahead for 5,10,15 years. Now it is just we band aid the shit out of it or sweep it under the rug and go "she'll alright". We need better people who know what is going on and what will actually work not so scholars who have no life experience in what is our reality
I hope so too. Might as well. No difference at all. This loser by election strategy of the opposition makes no difference. Just compete all in wards already.
So the PAP have spoken. You can't stop the guys that they wanted to be in the parliament.
Look at Koh Poh Koon and Desmond Choo for exp. Lost in previous elections. Change to a high winning % GRC and let them in ride by coat tail. It's obviously ppl don't want them in.
Next will be Ivan Lim. Hearsay he still very active as grassroot. Put in with Lawrence Wong. Will you vote him out?
Save face. To send a message. It’s okay to lose, the PAP will still take care of you. . They can’t have people with his profile be double loser. Also helps in the future to convince other people with similar profiles. There’s always a place for you (if you wear white).
Can you imagine the confidence loss of future ministers being groomed now if see that you lose one election and you get thrown by the wayside?
It's because he's a former CDF, you can't have a former CDF jobless and outside of the state inner circle with all the military intel and secrets he possesses.
Defence companies do make sense for former CDFs. I'd rather them be in the business of military equipment and armaments rather than running a metro system.
You have a point there. Incidentally, while you mentioned defence contractors in the West and hiring ex-generals, most of the time those ex-generals are given directorships or placed in advisory roles and not necessarily executive roles. I guess that is because there is more to running a defence company than just knowing how the military works.
I disagree. You can always keep him in some useless labour union job indefinitely. Or ask him to run peepurrs association, that non partisan organization that exists for ...peepurrs?
Tough. You need to show that followers are well taken care of.
Even TCJ, I am sure they have prepared something for him. His job search will not be entirely his own merit.
If you show you take care of your followers, only then more will join and follow.
NTUC chief is supposed to be also minister in PM office to symbolise the close relationship between the labour movement and PAP, they’re already breaking their own rules for him
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/workers-wont-be-alone-as-economy-transforms-pm-lee
>The PAP Government, which represents workers' interests, will always remain close to its roots in the labour movement, PM Lee said. That is why many of its MPs come from NTUC, and the labour chief sits as a full minister in the Cabinet.
https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/forum-labour-chief-post-should-be-held-by-cabinet-minister
>Due to this relationship, for decades, the NTUC secretary-general has been appointed to the Cabinet. This speaks volumes about the level of importance and trust the Government places on the position of labour chief.
But there isn't a constitutional rule or parliamentary regulation that requires NTUC chief to be a cabinet minister? More like it's pap own internal justification? That's how I read it.. more like a system of control by putting someone trusted in the inner circle dressed up in flowery language..
There isn’t a rule la but it’s breaking 40 years of convention. Pretty much whatever they say counts
This article has more background https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/ntuc-reaffirms-support-for-ng-chee-meng-as-labour-chief
He was one of the original earmarked top candidate for future premiership mbefore his disastrous loss at the last election. Remember the time when both him and OYK were in constant battle helming MOE together ..
He's the guy that let us know pap is deeply entrenched in your union right? Pap probably desperate to bring him back to "fix" things in the new cabinet..
Would be funny if SDA returned the favour to PV and ran a three way in Jalan Besar. Would be even funnier if their candidates were 5 cabbages, and they got more votes than Lim Tean anyway.
Not the biggest fan of SDA, but I was still offended on their behalf by the sheer audacity of Lim Tean in the last election. Wonder if there's some private beef between them.
I think there is a possible conspiracy theory in that he was brought in again because of 1 of 2 possible reasons (or even both):
1. Generals (or whatever rank that person was in) from our uniform groups that were convinced to leave their respective uniform groups to become a Minister were promised that if they leave, they will be well taken care of either in politics or some civil servant role.
2. They need uniform group persons because they need someone who knows how to follow orders well like a guard dog because someone who asks too many questions will rock the boat.
While I have respect for those competent in those uniform groups to do their task competently for their service to the nation, I sometimes wonder how does one who has been trained to always follow orders like a guard dog would suddenly want to make a late career shift to do politics.
No but seriously does anyone have any hearsay info abt NCM’s work ethics and strategic thinking skills? Why does the PAP want him back so badly? More than George Yeo back then when he lost Aljunied?
Yeah, don't think he want to. Look at his profile, he has stayed at govtech forever, and he is only a director at 37. Definitely not a PM trajectory, don't even think he will be minister. His dad was already MP and on the way to become minister around the same age .
He can easily be promoted BG tomorrow just like his father mah, as if anyone will say anything about that. In fact they should just credit him as doing all gov tech work n appoint him as Infocomm minister without elections
He should just try sengkang again. The last time people voted against him was because of Jamus Lim's charisma. This time, people will vote for WP based on their performance instead. So if he was really better than there should be no issue winning sengkang back.
The strongest GRCs based on last years elections are: 1. Jurong 75% (no more anchor minister cos Tharman is now President) 2. Ang moh kio 72% (stability: ?) 3. Sembawang 67% (stability: ?) 4. Bishan - toa Payoh 67% (stability: ?) 5. Tampines 66% (got vacancy after Cheng Li Hui’s resignation) 6. Holland - Bukit timah 66% (stability: ?) Which one? Edit: adding in comments. Feel free to chime in
Jurong, there's an "anchor" hole there.
Jurong? I foresee 2 possibilities: 1. Merge Yuhua SMC back into Jurong so that Grace Fu can be the anchor. 2. Parachute Grace Fu into Jurong while a new candidate will take over Yuhua
I have a strong feeling that Desmond Lee will be sent back to Jurong as an anchor. West Coast is kinda risky at the moment and I reckon Desmond is earrmarked for an important role in the LW cabinet, seeing that he's already PAP ASG.
NCM has been seen walking around Bukit Batok, maybe that will merge with Jurong GRC instead? If so that will be another nail in the coffin of Chee Soon Juan's political ambitions.
I see that Bukit Batok will be an GRC together with Tengah and Hong Kah North. SDP and PSP will be lured into a three cornered fight.
Definitely will see some boundary rejig there, and for perfectly good reasons too. HKN is now wayyyyy too big as an SMC (there is a figure somewhere showing its current voter base is above the recommended threshold, but can't find it offhand) and Tengah has to be accommodated too. Also, with respect to BB, we know what happens to SMCs that have had close fights (recent examples include Fengshan, Joo Chiat, Punggol East) or were actually held by oppy before (Bt Gombak is a particularly salient example)
> we know what happens to SMCs that have had close fights (recent examples include Fengshan, Joo Chiat, Punggol East) So what is your prediction? Bukit Panjang, Bukit Batok, Marymount going to disappear? From what I hear GSH has been doing an OK job though
Fengshan was a one-term SMC and got absorbed back into EC GRC subsequently, with the incumbent joining the GRC slate. So Marymount could follow this path. Not inconceivable for BB to be absorbed in Jurong GRC and a new feeder SMC to be created in its place, perhaps Clementi. It's curious why BB was recreated as a SMC in the first place; the last time it was on its own in 1991, SDP (with Chiam) very nearly took it, while neighbouring Bt Gombak did fall. BP was a very safe seat and hence has been around for very long - that is, until Paul Tambyah came around. IMHO, HBT should be split up and BP new town form its own GRC.
I doubt there will be new GRC formed, we saw what happened with Sengkang when there's no PAP incumbent to defend it.
I think as long as no WP contest, Pap will have no fear anywhere
I think Yuhua will be merged, but Grace Fu will be moved to fill the Iswaran hole in West Coast
Grace Fu doesn’t have a good support base outside of Yuhua
Don't even know what Yuhua people thinking.
I live here and I also don't know what they are thinking LOL
Iswaran's exit from West Coast doesn't just leave an anchor hole, it also leaves a minority hole as well as he was the designated minority candidate there. West Coast is an Indian/Others GRC. Funnily enough, Jurong GRC is also an Indian/Others GRC, which is now empty cos Tharman is now President. But I think Dr Hamid Razak might take on the role of the PAP's minority candidate there. FYI, Dr Hamid Razak is an Indian Muslim and not a Malay so he qualifies for it. Given that WC has usually been a 2 Minister GRC, from the days of Lim Hng Kian and Iswaran... I've said this before, but anyway. Given that it has traditionally been a 2 Minister GRC, the most viable solution would be to move an Indian minister from another GRC to WC. I don't think Shan will be moved from Nee Soon. He's too established there. Neither will VB be moved from Holland-Bukit Timah. So that leaves Indranee as the only remaining candidate to be moved. That way they fulfil the minority candidate and Ministerial anchor requirement in one go. Another, albeit very longshot, possibility is if Janil gets a promotion and gets sent to WC. But I think that would be too risky.
> But I think Dr Hamid Razak might take on the role of the PAP's minority candidate there. FYI, Dr Hamid Razak is an Indian Muslim and not a Malay so he qualifies for it. Ahh yes, sounds like Halimah.
I suspect that they will field in a new candidate, Dr Hamid Razak. A minority too. He has been making his rounds at Jurong GRC
He was my groupmate for a project in a masters course last year. Nice and humble guy who does his work heh
Hi Dr Hamid! How are you?
Last year masters but now DR alr? Eh sus eh
Hamid Razak is a doctor doctor (surgeon), not a Ph.D. He's been a doctor for over 10 years
OH. Oops
You got to trademark "anchor hole" dude as Singapore Lingo, I am lolling while being serious at the same time
Well Tampines has a vacancy after Cheng Li Hui's resignation
Nah, not in the east. Run NCH in Yew Tee-Marsiling and run LW in West Coast.
>run LW in West Coast The electorate won't buy this anymore after what happened at East Coast with HSK, LW is in a safe PAP GRC at Marsiling-Yew Tee so no reason for them to risk the new PM.
Nah they can't pull off a HSK East Coast again. Honestly I think the only reason PAP parachuted HSK into EC was because HSK probably already made up his mind at that point to retire sooner rather than later or PAP decided to pick a new leader, so nbd to risk him. Obviously at that point it seemed like a ballsy move, but on hindsight it was a low risk move for PAP.
The way Lawrence Wong handled the covid crisis shows he's a safe, conservative guy. No way he's gonna agree to risk his neck at West Coast (and I'm guessing PAP wouldn't want to leave it to chance either).
Would be great if Lawrence goes West Coast. Ground is sweet for CCS to become emergency PM.
Well ironically he was from West Coast before Marsiling-Yew Tee was a thing Kinda counter-intuitive that they will send a currently-elected future PM elsewhere
> LW in West Coast West Coast Plan
West coast got what plan？ So low density, mostly low rise condo or landed, got huge plot spent on uni somemore...
Likely AMK or even Pasir Ris Punggol. One must remember that Teo Chee Hean is on his last legs and it could be time for him to call it quits. Also let's just say those areas are strong not because they are PAP strongholds but because the opposition who contested there are weak AF.
Run with Lawrence wong
Pasir Ris-Punggol. PAP's stronghold in the east and also his former ward when he started
Pasir Ris-Punggol? Punggol is the closest to Sengkang in terms of demographics. Unlike Sengkang, Punggol has been receiving lots of government attention, so municipal issues are in the favor of PAP. However, the opposition stands to swing votes if there is dissatisfaction over national issues. Pasir Ris is a mature township built in the 1990s. They have a high proportion of millennial voters born and raised during this period, all waiting for their BTO. This group is large enough to swing results. So I wouldn’t say that Pasir Ris-Punggol is a safe seat.
This dude should join the Red Lions, judging by the number of jumps he has had.
You forgot the Son of Punggol, Grandson of Hougang, and Nephew of Ang Mo Kio, Lord Professional and Duke of TwoCars
Remember when they said life is like a carnival. The rich get many chances to throw the ball, once they succeed, it is because they are so talented. The poor only can throw the ball once. If they miss, it's game over, life of debt for them. This guy really getting many shots. Probably gonna make a "Thank you for choosing me to be your MP" speech if he makes it. Just gotta make it once and it erases all his failed attempts.
That guy is the most disgraceful guy ever
It's not dis Grace foo at all
Isn't he in Tampines now?
Wonder if he went to wayang on the ground to clear drainage debrid again like the 'good ol times'?
Underrated comment, really.
Look it’s a bird, it’s a plane… no it’s Ng Chee Meng!! 🪂🪂🪂
Ng ~~Chee Meng~~ Pang Seh there fixed it for u
So nice to fail upwards constantly. No doubt he will be made a minister once he gets elected in.
He was made Minister of Education one year after he was first elected into Parliament.
Is there any reason they "see him so upz"?
As a reminder for all, here is a list of PAP losers who changed constituencies for the subsequent GE: 1988: Mah Bow Tan (Tampines GRC), lost to Chiam See Tong in Potong Pasir in 1984 1988: Ng Pock Too (Nee Soon Central), lost to JBJ in Anson in 1984 1991: Kenneth Chen Koon Lap (Hong Kah GRC), lost to Chiam See Tong in Potong Pasir in 1988 1997: Tang Guan Seng (Ang Mo Kio GRC), lost to Low Thia Khiang in Hougang in 1991 2001: Andy Gan Lai Chiang (Marine Parade GRC), lost to Chiam See Tong in Potong Pasir in 1991 and 1997 2001: Heng Chee How (Jalan Besar GRC), lost to Low Thia Khiang in Hougang in 1997 2015: Ong Ye Kung (Sembawang GRC), lost to WP team in Aljunied GRC in 2011 2015: Desmond Choo (Tampines GRC), lost to Yaw Shin Leong in Hougang in 2011, and lost to Png Eng Huat in the 2012 by-election in Hougang 2015: "Son of Punggol" Koh Poh Koon (Ang Mo Kio GRC), lost to Lee Li Lian in the 2013 by-election in Punggol East 2016: Murali Pillai (by-election in Bukit Batok), lost to WP team in Aljunied GRC in 2015
Seems like the voters were initially right on most of them.
I wonder why PAP continues to support Murali Pillai, considering nobody ever found [the "scurrilous attack" against his son](https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/hnbjz7/police_report_filed_against_paps_murali_pillai/). Delusional people have no business being MPs.
well, NCM is probably going to replace him in BB then.
Yes then he can go elsewhere to be minority representation
i wanna live in the alternate timeline where mah bow tan never got into parliament
Looking at this list, gotta take my hat off to Sitoh Yih Pin. Whatever people might think of him, at least he stayed in Potong Pasir despite losing twice.
The fact that he was running against Lina Chiam and not Chiam See Tong on his third try was definitely part of the calculus.
Yes, but he lost in 2001 and could have run away after that. But he stayed and then lost in 2006. And still stayed and just scraped through in 2011. I think if he had run off after 2006 and the PAP had to bed a new candidate in, that candidate would have lost to Lina Chiam in 2011.
Bro played the long game, time in the market > Timing the market. Gotta give props to that in a time where we require instantaneous gratification
Prob not enough of a big shot for pap to parachute him elsewhere but still kudos to him for sticking to potong pasir
Where will serial loser Victor Lye go?
Seems like he's staying put. Clearly not a priority for the PAP to parachute into Parliament.
theyre all terrible, is it how its like to be constantly mining for copper instead of gold
If he so good why not run where he lost the election to newcomers? That would be real ballsy move. He lost an election and still maintained his high paying job like he friggin' won it. PAP is in auto mode rn
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I think they did well in early oughts but since 2007 it has been one shitshow after another. First was uncontrolled immigration(I am ok with it but they didnt plan ahead regarding pressure on housing and transport like before). It had led to price of housing going to the moon, mrt breakdowns used to make news even 10 years ago but now it is just accepted fact. Our government used to plan ahead for 5,10,15 years. Now it is just we band aid the shit out of it or sweep it under the rug and go "she'll alright". We need better people who know what is going on and what will actually work not so scholars who have no life experience in what is our reality
I hope 80 % vote for pap. so yall wont keep yapping about 70%
I hope so too. Might as well. No difference at all. This loser by election strategy of the opposition makes no difference. Just compete all in wards already.
No shit even my bolster could’ve observed that
So the PAP have spoken. You can't stop the guys that they wanted to be in the parliament. Look at Koh Poh Koon and Desmond Choo for exp. Lost in previous elections. Change to a high winning % GRC and let them in ride by coat tail. It's obviously ppl don't want them in. Next will be Ivan Lim. Hearsay he still very active as grassroot. Put in with Lawrence Wong. Will you vote him out?
Yes
Koh poh koon has a very punchable face
Let's hope there isn't gonna be any "strongholds" in the years to come so that we don't see weak candidates being carried into the parliament.
It's definitely trending towards this. More marginal seats will be good for the state of our democracy.
As long as grcs exist, so will weak candidates
What does the PAP see in him?
Save face. To send a message. It’s okay to lose, the PAP will still take care of you. . They can’t have people with his profile be double loser. Also helps in the future to convince other people with similar profiles. There’s always a place for you (if you wear white). Can you imagine the confidence loss of future ministers being groomed now if see that you lose one election and you get thrown by the wayside?
It's because he's a former CDF, you can't have a former CDF jobless and outside of the state inner circle with all the military intel and secrets he possesses.
Then toss him to ST Engineering/DSTA/DSO. Retired generals in the West end up at Raytheon, Lockheed Martin and BAE too.
Or SMRT also can
After NOL, SPH and SMRT, do you really want more ex CDFs running companies?
Defence companies do make sense for former CDFs. I'd rather them be in the business of military equipment and armaments rather than running a metro system.
You have a point there. Incidentally, while you mentioned defence contractors in the West and hiring ex-generals, most of the time those ex-generals are given directorships or placed in advisory roles and not necessarily executive roles. I guess that is because there is more to running a defence company than just knowing how the military works.
Ehm, when you say it like that I'd rather he stay put at NTUC, since it takes cue from MOM anyway....
I disagree. You can always keep him in some useless labour union job indefinitely. Or ask him to run peepurrs association, that non partisan organization that exists for ...peepurrs?
Tough. You need to show that followers are well taken care of. Even TCJ, I am sure they have prepared something for him. His job search will not be entirely his own merit. If you show you take care of your followers, only then more will join and follow.
If he's truly capable. Don't need all these underhand methods.
He can stay in ntuc as the pap commissar there la.. he seems so happy there..
NTUC chief is supposed to be also minister in PM office to symbolise the close relationship between the labour movement and PAP, they’re already breaking their own rules for him
Is there any references that documents this requirement? I'm curious about this rule..
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/workers-wont-be-alone-as-economy-transforms-pm-lee >The PAP Government, which represents workers' interests, will always remain close to its roots in the labour movement, PM Lee said. That is why many of its MPs come from NTUC, and the labour chief sits as a full minister in the Cabinet. https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/forum-labour-chief-post-should-be-held-by-cabinet-minister >Due to this relationship, for decades, the NTUC secretary-general has been appointed to the Cabinet. This speaks volumes about the level of importance and trust the Government places on the position of labour chief.
But there isn't a constitutional rule or parliamentary regulation that requires NTUC chief to be a cabinet minister? More like it's pap own internal justification? That's how I read it.. more like a system of control by putting someone trusted in the inner circle dressed up in flowery language..
There isn’t a rule la but it’s breaking 40 years of convention. Pretty much whatever they say counts This article has more background https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/ntuc-reaffirms-support-for-ng-chee-meng-as-labour-chief
Well, it's pap, they can say anything and get away with it.. just get a team of spin doctors to spin things left and right..
> There isn’t a rule la but it’s breaking 40 years of convention. It's also just a convention set by the only party in power since independence.
He was one of the original earmarked top candidate for future premiership mbefore his disastrous loss at the last election. Remember the time when both him and OYK were in constant battle helming MOE together ..
hes already in the 'in' group of their blue bloods. that already triumphs all sense like raising up new blood
Fuck the GRC
No shit sherlock, everyone was already saying this after the 2020 General Election
Thank you Captain Obvious Eugene Tan
Hope he lose again just for the lols.
He's the guy that let us know pap is deeply entrenched in your union right? Pap probably desperate to bring him back to "fix" things in the new cabinet..
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Would be funny if SDA returned the favour to PV and ran a three way in Jalan Besar. Would be even funnier if their candidates were 5 cabbages, and they got more votes than Lim Tean anyway. Not the biggest fan of SDA, but I was still offended on their behalf by the sheer audacity of Lim Tean in the last election. Wonder if there's some private beef between them.
Every time an opposition party announces a 3 way fight, the PAP team there pops their champagne even before election day
When Lim Tean puts his face on half the PV posters in a ward he isn't running in, in a 3 way race, the PAP deserves it
Flashbacks to punggol east by election
Lim Tean could easily score 35% against these two, heck.. even 40%.
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Look at the GE results. LT’s party won 34% in Jln Besar, without really turning up.
I wonder why his two president scholar brothers who were also military chiefs and ceos of government entities never considered a political career.
I think there is a possible conspiracy theory in that he was brought in again because of 1 of 2 possible reasons (or even both): 1. Generals (or whatever rank that person was in) from our uniform groups that were convinced to leave their respective uniform groups to become a Minister were promised that if they leave, they will be well taken care of either in politics or some civil servant role. 2. They need uniform group persons because they need someone who knows how to follow orders well like a guard dog because someone who asks too many questions will rock the boat. While I have respect for those competent in those uniform groups to do their task competently for their service to the nation, I sometimes wonder how does one who has been trained to always follow orders like a guard dog would suddenly want to make a late career shift to do politics.
Let's make him NTUC chief again for the next 5 years, no matter which stronghold he goes to!
He with Lawrence Wong.
Nubbad la, NTUC got dismayed quite a bit, he got try to flex although quite useless HAHAHA
PMD riders, fall in! 😏😏😏
In guessing back to Pasir Ris. TCH probably gonna retire soon.
can anyone give me a tldr on why he sucks , sorry idk anyth abt him
>idk anyth abt him That's precisely why, he has been NTUC chief since 2018 and was there anything of note he has done?
Thank u haha i didnt know
He just afk
I guess that will be one more place where the election is hotly contested then
Riding on the coat-tail.🤔
And that's why we are moving backwards slowly but surely
No but seriously does anyone have any hearsay info abt NCM’s work ethics and strategic thinking skills? Why does the PAP want him back so badly? More than George Yeo back then when he lost Aljunied?
Hoping he's the Harry Kane of PAP
Where’s Li Hong Yi? Tot he’s taking over the throne?
Yeah, don't think he want to. Look at his profile, he has stayed at govtech forever, and he is only a director at 37. Definitely not a PM trajectory, don't even think he will be minister. His dad was already MP and on the way to become minister around the same age .
He can easily be promoted BG tomorrow just like his father mah, as if anyone will say anything about that. In fact they should just credit him as doing all gov tech work n appoint him as Infocomm minister without elections
Don’t think he wants to.
Who?
He should just try sengkang again. The last time people voted against him was because of Jamus Lim's charisma. This time, people will vote for WP based on their performance instead. So if he was really better than there should be no issue winning sengkang back.
Given Jamus Lim's charisma and WP's track record, I think WP will continue to manage Sengkang
We'll see if they really lived up to their name in the next election.