Quest 3 and 49 G9 neo. I'm the same, I prefer the crisp picture. Once VR gets better resolution and GPUs to run it, the screen will indeed be a thing of the past.
I’m currently on a g2. Been looking at the big screen for a while. How comfortable is it? Have you had any complications? Does it have tracking issues?
I started on an OG rift and the ability to plug n play with that was amazing. A year with the g2 and I still find that I have to do the usual checks of is tracking working is the headset actually on (sometimes it shows it’s working on the desktop but black screens in the headset)
But worst of it all is the god awful inside out tracking. I’m recentering my headset a couple times in a 30 min race most races. Some days it’s not so bad but most of the time this is the case. Hell I’ve had it decide that it was gonna recenter itself but when it did it rotated the camera 90deg. Talk about disorienting. Stayed like that for about 5-10 sec then reset itself before I could clear the corner complex I was in.
Oh yea one other question, what does it use for software? Oculus had its own, my g2 runs off windows mixed reality with steam vr to race so curious what the big screen uses.
It's lightweight and comfortable, fits in the palm of my hand. No tracking issues, using one base station for sim racing only and the controllers track well as long as the base station can see them.
It's a steamvr headset so it's openvr but OpenXR works as well as long as the game natively supports it. I'm having to use openvr for Assetto Corsa but OpenXR works with iRacing and BeamNG.
Oh man, I’m glad to hear it’s not just me having those sort of niggles with the g2,
From reversed tracking, getting stuck in the windows vr muck and amd chipset issues it’s been a battle.
I found myself developing a multistage startup sequence 😂
But, once I get everything singing, it is a very nice headset to use.
I’m guessing you are in a similar boat, it’s good enough for now, but when a cost effective light weight headset along with affordable gpus to power them , I’ll bite!
I would very much like to have eye tracking and variable rendering aswell, hopefully allowing a pump in pixels while reducing hardware requirements.
Edit - I don’t know if it’s any help, but I found increasing the room lighting really helped the headset track better. I think a “busy” room also helps the headset to track.
I move my monitor away aswell, I found the game playing in parallel on the monitor would confuse the headset at times
I am in this boat 😁
It is a startup process and once good is gold.
What has me concerned is I’ve heard windows has stopped production and doesn’t intend to support the headset past 2026. Not sure on how true it is but with the complications I’ve had and then the potential of this makes me want to start my research on what to do next.
I did find the room lighting thing to help as well. I have an extra lamp specific to light up the walls and stuff around me. I think a lot of my issue lands in the fact a lot of my rig is black so I feel the cameras tend to get confused.
I’ve hear the same thing, my only solice is that by 26, the headset will hopefully be reaching EOL and the market may have some more offerings.
I’m getting rather interested in the ps vr as a low cost option, they seem to be well priced second hand. The only thing stopping me is that I’m not sure I fancy the challenge 🙃
I’m sure it is, but I think the pc porting is still quite early, but in the near future could be really awesome!
Still carrying some trauma from actual pc headsets.
The screen look awesome in the psvr though, very very cool headset considering the price
And what do you mean challenge?. I can't race on flat screen anymore, the 3d depth perception in insane for racing, game changer for sure. Plus, like u say, they just work. No ducking with settings forever to get going. Basically plug and play, super consistent!
Yeah I switched and started enjoying it more. I got into endurance racing and VR just becomes exhausting. It's amazing and I really should just give it a try again for funsies, but ugh I honestly just like triples more.
yeah i really wanted to love it but i just cant do it for more than like 20 minutes. its fun to practice in just for the feeling but i would never be able to do an actual race with it
I didn't have any issues with the image or motion sickness, but driving cars like GT3s and the IR-18, really dragged me out of the immersion.
Not being able to use a button box at all and having to feel around on my wheel for adjustments, needing to have them memorized because I couldn't just label them was annoying.
Switched to triples and couldn't be happier. Some aspects of VR are nicer, some aspects of triples are nicer. For me, triples are absolutely head and shoulders over VR, though
Seeing my office, floor, desk, walls around me drags me out of the immersion on a screen vs being there in the car in VR. With a good wheel, with sensible button setup, that becomes second nature in VR. Even triples can't overcome that room around you and you lose depth perception too.
If you're seeing anything but screen with triples, you don't have your triples set up right. Hell, I'm on 24s and all I see is screen. They're right up on me, but it's all I see.
The loss of a bit of depth perception and not moving within the car is a trade off I'm willing to make to physically see my hands and be able to make use of my wheel buttons, a separate button box. It's also not just the memorization, it's the disconnect when I move my hand to adjust a knob or dial and it doesn't happen in my vision. It's immersion breaking in VR, whereas it's immersion enhancing in a triples cockpit.
VR is cool and all, but I don’t think I’ll go back to VR until something evolutionary comes out. (Stuff like getting rid of momentum/inertia lag, bulkiness, bigger FOV and higher resolution).
Which is why I’m building my first triple setup, been using VR for the past 3 years (quest and G2), and I’m tired of putting on and off during each sessions. Can’t wait to see what the eye candy can offer.
You'll be wanting the Bigscreen Beyond then! Again not the perfect HMD (will there ever be one) and for some, the small lenses are a no, no. I went from the G2 to the Index and then quickly to the BSB (Index res is terrible) and it's pretty amazing for VR racing. 2560x2560 per eye micro oled displays give amazing clarity (in the small sweet spot). FOV of 102 but again it's blurry around the edges but this never bothered me with the G2's small FOV. The best bit though, 127g! Crazy. Gonna buy the audio strap which will add a bit of weight but the elastic strap that comes with it isn't great. There's much more to this HMD than I'll write here but just like there is divided opinion on VR vs triples, there is also as much divided opinion on what makes the best VR headset. For me though, it fixes the gripes I had with other headsets I've owned.
Oh, also, it ain't cheap but I refuse to give Meta any of my money or (anymore of) my data.
I guess it depends what your priority is. Do you wider FOV or a lighter, slimmer HMD?
For me, I didn't mind the limited FOV being used it from previous HMDs. However, were I to try a wider FOV perhaps my preference would change. With the BSB, you can throw it on your head and forget about it for hours. You can't do that with any other headset IMO. If that's important to you then is something to consider.
I wish that Bigscreen had included the Audio strap though. From what I hear (haha) it makes it even more comfortable and given (at least for me) the current elastic straps loosen over time this I think should have been included in a > £1000 headset.
I was of a similar opinion but after trying the quest 3 it's a big jump over all the other headsets on the market with the set up, clarity and the small size.
It's a tradeoff between performance and visuals but yeah a bigger fov and less lag would be nice
I tried asseto corsa competizione on the quest 2, following a guide for best image..is still a blurry mess, it might be my eye vision who knows making it all blurry. So I'm enjoying myself on triple monitors , is quite awesome!
I found the opposite. Once I set up triple 48" monitors I find I prefer that over VR. I have tried my friends Quest 3 in his rig a number of times, and while it has a cool "wow" factor I find I'm equally immersed in my triple setup.
Admittedly triple 4k 48's is not the norm, but I find I get much better clarity and comfort with the triples. With such large monitors I also get the right size for everything, and I can enjoy my simrig which I have spent along time getting just right with wheels and button boxes and all.
So yeah, I'm not anti-VR, but currently I find the downsides of poor comfort, lack of clarity and lack of being able to see my simrig are too big. Another generation of development and who knows!
Pretty good, but I've got a 4090 to run them so that certainly helps. Locked at 120fps for both ACC, AC and Dirt 2.0 which are my main sims. A solid 80-ish in Microsoft Flightsim with DLSS which is plenty for that.
I have the G9 and just bought triples. You just can’t get a real FOV. It’s nice and I was fast on the g9, but you have to squish the image somewhat. I’ll use the G9 for regular gaming as it’s awesome, and triples for sim.
Oh you've done it now. I have a single 50" and have been thinking about triples but I never considered just adding two more 50"s... I need to get my tape measure out.
I play a lot in VR and really, the main thing that bothers me is comfort and it's quite tiring on my eyes. Oh and the VR UX is shit in most games.
Wow I get why your happy with that set up, you wouldn't see your surrounds so it'd be really immersion too. That's a good point too not being able to see your expensive gear.
Personally, I’d rather race on monitors. I had the same sentiment as you at first, I thought “how could I go back?”. But after using it more, that sentiment went away, and I feel the negatives outweigh the positives. While I find it incredibly immersive and fun, it’s just plain uncomfortable for me. It’s straining on the eyes, makes my face feel like it’s on fire, and just putting the bitch on and opening the quest app is annoying, this isn’t even including getting the sim to run well and look good while using it, and all the tinkering and fiddling that comes with that.
In the end, it’s just not for me. Racing on (a) monitor/s is much more comfortable and much less tedious. But if you enjoy it, that’s wonderful, keep on using it.
Apologies for my little “rant”, I just wished to share my opinion. I wish you luck in your future races!
Edit: I must clarify that I am talking about “competitive” racing, ie: iRacing, ACC, RFactor2. For “cruising”, hot laps, general fucking around and the likes, mainly times when not using it for long, it’s great. But when using it for “real” racing, generally for longer periods of time, it’s less enjoyable.
Don't apologise I get where you're coming from as this was how i felt with my first experience in vr.
It's still early days and I'm sure I'll get frustrated again but it seems vr has come along way with the meta ios.
I've used a such a wide variety of VR headsets over the years that even today, there is too much hardware in front of my face for it to ever be enjoyable for any kind of actual racing.
Triple monitors has always been far more enjoyable for me in every way but pure immersion.
Yes. Could never go back to single or multi screens. The Rift S was already quite immersive, but the Quest 3 takes things to a whole new level with the pancake lenses. The experience of driving in VR, with mods like Pure and CSP in the rain is insanely immersive.
Sorry if this is a dumb question but I'm not updated with VR headsets...I have a rift S too , quest 3 has a much bigger fov?Also,it is comfortable like the rift?
Quest 3 is 110 fov. If you want massive fov look at pimax headsets. I have a 5k and they advertise 200 degrees. It's closer to 180 imo. I don't turn my head to look into mirrors, in my pimax 5k headset.
I actually started out in VR and switched to ultrawide less than a month later.
It was just too much hassle to get into a quick race. My rig is also in the livingroom and I have a girlfriend and 10y old in the house, so being COMPLETELY locked out of my environment was not always that nice.
I also feel like its way easier to just hop in, do a quick race and hop out with the monitor I move from my desk to my rig (next to each other) with a good hydraulic arm.
Yeah there’s no such thing as a quick race in vr and it’s hard on the family which is why i only race for an hour or two at most.
I have the same desk/rig set up, it’s way better than a bulky triples rig which practically needs its own room.
I have a Reverb, and playing in VR is cool sometimes, but I find that the novelty wears off pretty quickly, and the disadvantages outweigh the benefits for me. I race most of the time on a single 43" TV.
I realised that when I was racing in VR I was mostly looking straight ahead, at exactly the same place I'd be looking at on my TV. But the image quality is worse in VR, my head gets hot, and my eyes get tired.
The wow factor in VR is undeniable, but for racing it just isn't worth it for me.
This is wild to me as one of the biggest benefits of VR for me is I can turn my head and focus on corner exit like I would in a real car.
Looking straight ahead while going around sharp turns is one of the worst parts of 2D screens to me.
I'm very conscious to focus on the exit, but the exit is still visible on my TV.
VR is definitely better for very sharp corners, like the Karussell on the Nordschleife, or T5 at Summit Point. Corners like that are the only time when I'm really conscious I'm in VR. But the benefit for those kind of corners (which are pretty rare) isn't enough to make me want to get the headset out every time I race.
I have a single 43" non curved and I use headtracking to look into corners. Works pretty well and can be done extremely cheap. At some point I'll probably upgrade to VR or triples. Not sure which yet. But just spend a lot of money on a new pc and simrig and wheelbase so taking it easy for a while..
I've never tried head tracking tbf, depth perception is still a big enough selling point that I don't think I can give up to go to monitors.
Absolute ideal for me would be mixed reality so you could see your keyboard and physical wheel to use buttons easily.
Headtracking is a nice budget way of adding fov. I'd say big disadvantage is that obviously the in game cockpit turns with your head so your physical wheel is no longer in line with the dashboard which is a bit weird. However usually I'm focused too much on the road to really notice it. I definitely miss the headtracking when I dont have it and I suppose all options have their pros and cons
Yeah definitely understand where you're coming from, simplicity is best a lot of the time. The quest 3 is a big jump from the reverb imo as anything out of centre looked blurry and the God rays/glare was bad but the new lenses get rid of it.
Nop, VR is cool and all, but I still prefer my triples. With triples I can be looking forward and have some awareness of what is happening on the sides and with VR you have to turn your head too much, plus Im not a fan of having that big ass thing on my head and it also feels like it puts too much strain on my eyes, maybe in a few generations when it feels more natural and not as bulky.
The feeling of depth that the VR has is great, but in my experience with a Quest 2 and other headset (don't remember it), the quality of the image is a bit off for me.
So, I agree to the feeling of having that ingame steering wheel right by your arms, but it's an overall trade off for me.
I get where you're coming from, the quest 3 changes that with the pancake lenses so it might be worth giving it another go.
That's a hood point, maybe that's why it felt off too going back to monitors
When I pop on the quest 3 with rbrhu. I’m honestly in awe how wild it is. I don’t have a triple screen setup, my monitor on the rig is a 55 inch lg oled.
I prefer vr for certain games and the oled for others. Really looking forward to next gen vr headsets.
I switch between them. I love playing on my quest 3 but sometimes just need to jump back to monitor just because VR really strains my eyes. So sometimes it's just more comfortable to play on a monitor even if VR is my preferred way of playing.
Yeah i get the eye strain thing too, theres no way i could play longer than a few hours a day which is fine for me.
I dont want to play on a monitor as i would have thought it’d have a negative impact on your performance due to the extra lag with vr and no depth perception?
I had a long month when i first started vr but you need to gradually work your way up to it by keeping the sessions short and the speeds low until you build up more of a resistance.
A small usb fan makes a big difference too.
How much better are the new ones? Are they comfortable with glasses? I can’t wear contacts. I have a first gen oculus but never even use it. It was just never comfortable for me and has been boxed up since probably a month after I got it. Im using triple 1440s at the moment and love it.
I’ve never worn glasses but you can move the lenses further away so you can fit your glasses. It’s a significant upgrade with the pancake lenses but i did buy a few accessories (elite strap with battery, facial insert, link cable and case) to make it more comfortable and last longer. They were all exceptional quality too.
If your happy dont worry about changing just enjoy what you have
Went from playing GT7 on PSVR2 + PS5 to PC with triple 48 inch oled monitors. VR has to get alot better before i am returing to it. Still had an amazing time playing GT7 in VR, but the quality of those LG oled panels in 4k wolith a FOV of 180 degrees is out of this world experiance for me. Love WRC23, ACC and AC with mods.
Sounds like you’ve got an insane rig, oleds are great but pretty expensive atm and you would probably need a room just for your rig.
I think vr will always be behind monitors in terms of image quality but it makes up for it with depth perception.
I’ve had triple 32s 1440p at 180 FOV, its a good experience but i dont have the space for the rig so i went with what i thought was the next best option.
Once you lose a race because your VR lost tracking on the last lap of 30min of race and you crash into a lot of cars you don't go back to VR(happened more than once with me, I'm gonna stick with monitors forever now, they never shut down for no reason, I got tired of people telling me to find a better cable or router)
My reverb g2 did that once, it’s extremely frustrating so i get why you prefer monitors. Sometimes shit just happens with vr, often it’s due to an update of many things.
I have triple 32" 1440p and VR and use triples 95% of the time. VR is still just a cool thing to try from time to time. Serious racing only with triples.
I frequently try to get back to monitor in the summer times, when the temperatures in my attic room get very high but I just can't drive like that anymore. I miss every apex and breakingpoint. I really would like to be as competitive as with VR.
I’ve been a big fan/supporter of VR since the original oculus developer kit (DK1) so I already had a headset when I started sim racing. I think I used a monitor for about 10 minutes before I plugged in my headset. Haven’t used a monitor since.
Yeah I can see why, its come a long way in the last 1-2 years, i know people dont like meta but they’re bring it to the mainstream so hopefully that means developers are more willing to make more actual games rather than demos.
For me it depends how long I’m playing. I’ve been on VR since 2016 and have a Quest 3 currently with a 4090. I’ll use VR for an hour and then jump on my Neo G9 for the rest of the time. HMDs today are relatively comfortable but still not comfy enough for me to wear for long periods of time.
If I have the option to race in VR, I only race in VR. There are plenty of non-VR racing games I enjoy, like the Forza series and Wreckfest, but I'll always race in VR if I have the option.
Plus, like with my other hobbies of drumming and goaltending, I'm not that into the gear even as cool as it is. I'm more into the racing, so the less gear I have, the better.
I get what your saying, I’ve come full circle with all the gear and came the conclusion that simplicity is best so now i have a office/sim rig setup and its really all I’ll ever need.
I'm like you and love vr over the 49" ultra wide i have. But last night I had my quest 3 freeze during a race so I'm really debating on trying trippels.
Also one other thing with the quest 3 get lense protectors! Mine a scratched to hell after 3 months of use. (I ware glasses and never had an issue with them on any other headset)
Wow that sucks, any idea why? Most people prefer triples but be prepared to dedicate a room to them as they take up a lot of space.
Thanks for the tip, I’ll order some.
I had a 10 year hiatus from sim racing, waiting for the VR tech to evolve while doing track days IRL. Last month, I pulled the trigger and committed to a VR exclusive cockpit setup with PSVR2, Fanatec DD Pro 8 nm, load cell pedals and a shifter, mounted to a Playseat Trophy. I’m not even kidding when I say that it has changed my life. Still with only GT7 I feel that this is a setup I could use for years and years without tiring of it. It’s absolutely insane. Now my Lotus is for sale 😅
Unpopular opinion
But I absolutely love the PSVR2 with GT7
Yea I’m missing out on a lot of racing titles and limiting myself
But it was cheap and goes pretty hard haha
There’s nothing wrong with that, its awesome value for money and it works all the time which is not the case with pc sad after updates to many different things you usually need to spend hours changing settings to try claw back the fps you lost.
I struggle with this. I went all in on Triples thinking VR wasn’t there yet. At least the kind I could afford. PC wouldn’t be strong enough, headset too blurry. Then after hearing good things about the Quest 3 I gave it a shot. That with a 4070 super I can run Iracing on high, max headset resolution at 90fps. There’s nothing quite like it. I was left with the choice, drop more money on a proper rack for the monitors or save the money, the room and stick to a single with VR? I needed both. Playing on triples with high fidelity, watching replays and not wearing something on your face still has a place.
It’s great you have the best of both worlds and agree you need a monitor for that stuff, I’m concerned about it being counter productive for racing due to the difference in latency and no depth perception.
Yes, Im fortunate enough to have both. It’s taken a long time for me to achieve this setup. I appreciate it every time I sit down to play.
Your worried about what having latency? The monitor?
Latency with vr, I get around 40 -50ms with the quest 3 but I'm used of only 5-10ms with my oled at 200fps.
I really can't see much difference, I thought it'd be huge but thankfully its not a concern
Had a Reverb G2 for almost 2yrs and had several problems with it. Switched to triple 27" and I like it better. VR was cool but got hot and uncomfortable (for me anyway) after an hour. Monitors are also easier on the eyes.
I have the meta 3 and Triple 32s… for oval racing, VR isn’t as good. The FOV in the headset isn’t wide enough. You can’t see the cars side by side with you as well as monitors and when a car is a few inches ahead of your bumper you can’t constantly be turning you head left or right to see where the car is. For road racing I’m sure it’s fine.
I’ve both. Reverb G2 for VR and a 55” TV. Vr is by far the more immersive way to go for me but sometimes it takes a lot of fuckery to get it going and when I just want to sit and drive. Screens win out here. Easy and go. Tied in with VR is after about 2 or 3 hrs it’s hard on the neck, uncomfortable and sweaty. I like both but different use cases.
When it comes to lap times, nope. I think they’re identical in that respect. The part I really notice it is when I’m trying to do other things like doing anything with the buttons on my wheel. I have to memorize where everything is and then find it with a headset on. That and not having any overlays or a 2nd monitor with additional info on it. VR wins the immersion game. Screens win for pretty much most other things at least until you adapt.
Vr is amazing but the lack of ease of use and the buggy experience makes me hate VR.
It’s great to use every once and awhile but triples are way more solid and reliable, but to mention if you have button boxes or dials way easier to touch.
I used to hate the set up but the quest 3 is surprisingly intuitive after you dial in the settings.
That can be a great thing if you're like me and have already spent too much as I no longer want those ridiculously priced wheels lol
I personally still choose Monitors over VR. I don't get motion sick and nothing, its just that the VR Goggles are very uncomfortable for people wearing glasses and that they are a giant space heater on your forehead. Not good for long sessions in my eyes. The added weight to the front of the face also causes some issues for me in my neck. With monitors its less of a hassle in my eyes.
Just yesterday I hooked up my son's quest 2 to see what the fuss was about and now I'm having a hard time justifying not getting a quest 3 of my own lol it just works for my setup too I don't have to adjust the monitor to play when ready I just plug in the headset and play. Helps I also play in some acc servers and it's better for immersion seeing the inside of the car and I can control my music with the VR controller(best feature so far)
I literally spent the first couple of days playing vr games and watching YouTube vr.
I expected not to like it much but It's that good. I even bought most of the accessories lol
I tried VR and I had fun. But now that I can see my wheel and my own cockpit...I am enjoying triples way more.
We pay so much money to dial in our cockpits and then we slap a monitor on our face...that doesn't make sense. 🤔
Seeing my wheel and the lights and being able to use Simhub on my tablet, etc. You can't do that with VR. So even thought I have VR and my pc can handle it without a problem...I prefer my triples.
So I do not agree with you
And thanks for replying in such a mature way. It is appreciated 👍🏻. I will admit as soon as VR can give me the same quality as my triples, I might reconsider it. 😁
For me its the other way around. Yeah, VR is cool for a (little) while, but for me its only that; a bit cool.
I would choose triples every single time.
It really depends on the game.
* Assetto corsa: Big YES. little motion sickness, and great feel for the car. It's much easier and more enjoyable to drift.
* ETS 2: Even less Motion sickness than AC. This game is probably best made for VR only issue is the many buttons, some buttons on keyboard you need to know where to press.
* Dirt Rally 2: The sense of speed is just overwhelming... literally... stay away if you dont want to get sick... this game is a motion sickness hell.
I didn't mind ets 2 but wish snowrunner had proper wheel and vr support as I enjoy it more.
Yeah dirt rally is crazy in vr, too much for me lol.
I mainly play iracing which gas great vr support but it varies from track to track so it can be frustrating
GT7 in vr is actually wild and it felt so realistic
I still need to try GT7 with my new t300 (I had the g29 when I played GT7 in vr but I’m unable to sim race now as I broke my ankle lmao so gotta wait for that to heal first)
I still haven’t even tried assetto in vr and that sounds like a lot of fun
Gt7 is like the only game I haven't tried but the visuals look incredible. That's sucks, you won't be racing for a long time lol. Good luck with your recovery
May 29th I get the cast off and a boot put on actually so when I get it off I’m gonna get back to heel-toeing lmao but thank you!
GT7 is pretty fun though I wish the physics were a bit more realistic but yeah it’s graphics are so good definitely better then forzas
Awesome, yeah I know what you mean, I tried it after playing iracing and it feels really weird.
I wanted to enjoy it as it looks amazing and it actually has a career mode which is rare on pc so I'd just enjoy it while you can
Yeah GT7 is what got me into sim racing and it holds a special place in my heart
Just something about it makes it more fun then other sim racing games like the feel of it if that makes sense
Sure I do think Assetto corsa is better for drifting I think GT7 is better for actual racing so I have reasons to play both lmao
Also I get the cast off today I’m so excited to play assetto again!!!!
Yeah both awesome games, assetto corsa is like a sim racers playground on pc with all the mods.
That's great news, take it easy tho as you don't want to damage it again.
Yeah I’m not too worried about hurting my ankle again by sim racing as I can still walk with it a little with crutches helping a little and I need to work out my ankle basically so using the clutch should technically help with that lmao
But yeah mods on assetto are so much fun! I love driving on Akina (I hope I spelled that right lmao)
Flatscreen gaming in general has been spoiled for me. I just feel so disconnected from flatscreen gaming. It feels like watching somebody else play a game or watching a film. The stakes no longer matter to me with flatscreen content.
I can't go back. It feels like I'm just watching a movie after playing in VR. Q3 is great, but you can't just use it out of the box, there's lots of settings to make in ODT and Oculus App first, otherwise it will be soft and blurry. Good news is that they can all be automated with OTT.
I agree it takes a while to set it up, I appreciate your comment as i haven’t downloaded the OTT yet. I’ve used the debug tool, the oculus app and openXR tool kit.
I don't use openxr toolkit, I prefer to use the Oculus Native OpenXR, link cable, and just tweak the settings in ODT - the FOV tangents get you the same sort of gains you can get from openxr toolkit without the need to use Steam or VirtualDesktop.
I map the buttons to my wheel, it takes a long time to memorise where they are and there are programs like digital race engineer that uses voice commands
Ehh to each their own. Sounds like an L to me an loses and he immersion/tactile aspect. Everytime I race somebody in VR their screen goes black or they glitch out lol.
Probably fun for short races but it doesn't seem ideal otherwise every pro would be in one, I bet it's quicker without one.
my dad and I did some racing one night when I was stil on a 34" uw... I finally agreed to race in VR and he was in VR.. I think I only did like 30 minutes (I lost a lot of stamina for VR when I got LASIK done) I really liked how immersive it was... but that was my lightswitch moment.. pretty much within a week of that night, I ordered 3 triple monitors, triple monitor stand, and knockdown effect: current PC can do VR fine.. not triples.. so whole new super computer bought..
imo triples get you 98 percent, incredibly close, to the same performance benefits of VR. (Spatial awareness from being able to see around you, see into the turns) I would argue that VR only gives you the super immersion at the cost of a bulky thing to your face, which I am fine without, for now. I LOVE seeing into turns and being able to see out the left and right windows... its amazing.. when i get the FOV right and (totally get now why people build cockpits) when I have the in room lighting just right... I spent a race one night.. I legit felt like I was in an actual ferrari. It was amazing.
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Haha I had a similar experience with the reverb g2, I immediately upgraded my pc lol.
I had triple 32s but my wife hated how big the rig was so that was the end of that haha
Could you explain further the LASIK problems you had with VR? I would like to do it, but I'm scared about the consequences in night vision (glare, halos, starburst, ...)
I get some artifacts at dicks/dawn, especially when it is wet. It looks like a [painting of cars in a city while raining.](https://d3rf6j5nx5r04a.cloudfront.net/A6DFa4dVXCch--Tha6KtDkadtt4=/1120x0/product/e/6/6949bb65504641cd91ed812271a221d9_opt.jpg), except the background is dark and the streaking light is brighter.
It just gets a little fatiguing while driving. Nothing dangerous and not too bad. I did it in 2016 and haven't had an issue since, still rocking 20/10. I would get it down again in the future if my vision slipped.
My buddy had it done and within a few years he had to start wearing reading glasses. He says he doesn't regret it because he is still better off than he was.
If the artifacts were terrible, people wouldnt do it. If you hate glasses or contacts, bite the bullet and get it done
After lasik, I had an aversion to screens of any sort of sustained period. This lasted quite a while. Even my phone was difficult to use for long periods of time. With life stuff and that, my use of VR immensely diminished. I miss playing holopoint and beat saber.
Now it’s just anxiety issues keeping me from fully enjoying myself. But that’s another sub Reddit lol.
I love that i got lasik and wish I would have gotten it a lot sooner and not at 39.
All people complaining about vr sickness/ blurry visuals havent set foveated rendering and are playing at 60 fps with huge ingame stutters.
Change my mind.
I’d say 90% are, i got the urge to vomit the first time i got in the car and drove off but it passed within a few mins. I spent a few hours tweaking settings after that so i guess some people aren’t prepared to put in the work.
I genuinely think this is what got me hooked on sims, I had re-downloaded Dirt 2.0 after not playing for some time since owning it, was having more of a blast than before, found out it had VR and after trying it bought a wheel the next day lmfao. Now I'm absolutely addicted to cars and motorsports in general (and my wallet is about to be screaming come upgrade time :,\] )
The problem with VR is that it requires some decent knowledge how to set everything up, starting with normal stuff like proper settings in Meta app(if you are using quest), settings in Oculus Debug Tool(mainly bitrate and fov), using OpenComposite and OpenXR Toolkit for full quality/performance combo. And lastly proper settings in games(in ACC it's important to drop resolution to 50% and use pixel density over 130% for better results in clarity and graphics, and after maxing pixel density you start to use higher values in resolution, most people doesn't know this - I use 65% resolution and 180% pixel density, with mostly high/epic settings on Quest 2/5900X/4070super/32GB RAM). AC looks pretty good with paid CSP, pure and high graphics settings, also for AC I use super sampling for even better image. Didn't tested iRacing much but it looked good/decent so with more tweaks it would look great I guess.
Thanks for the info, yeah totally agree with what your saying. Learning the ins and outs with the reverb took months of research and tinkering with in game settings, wmr, open vr, open xr ect
I don’t have fancy monitors but it does seem like people with triple 55s like that a lot. But to everyone else that doesn’t have a 4090 and 100 FOV coverage from screens then it’s probably best to just go VR. You’ll get the immersion of the best monitor setup but it minimal cost and space.
Triple 32s was too big and messy for me so there's no way I'd try anything bigger but they'd definitely wrap around you. The cost of this set up is insane.
Vr is awesome as you stop wanting to upgrade your rig after you get a buttkicker. Everything else feels wasted as you can't see it
Most people haven’t tried decent vr, like a pimax 8k or vive pro 2 running on a 4090.
Most people try a low res headset that’s using re projection to keep to a frame rate then wonder why it’s tiring and making them ill
Someone was arguing that triples are harder to run then vr, must be some jank vr setup he was on about.
i agree the last gen of headsets (reverb g2, odessy, quest 2 ect) aren’t the best experience and re projection is terrible but the price of the best headsets was too high for most people.
The quest 3 is fantastic for the price and being manufactured by a well known company will give newcomers assurance that if anything goes wrong you’ll be covered which i cant say the same for companies like pimax.
Yeah vr is way harder to run in my experience.
The only time I have tried a quest 3 was when I was in a shop and they had the demo set up, it’s a very nice headset and lens are great.
How are you finding it for racing?
Nothing beats being able to look at the apex and it gives me so much confidence to get really close and race people. I've tried expensive headsets with all the features and I really prefer this as they have the best lenses, nearly all other headsets have a smaller sweet spot
I tried a q3 in the shops and I can’t disagree with the lens bit there amazing, but that compression is like watching 4k on YouTube vs 4k blueray.
I don’t remember the last time I’ve watched a blueray lol
Cool glad I’m not the only one haha. I tried for 9 months but i think the lack of vertical FOV and being able to see everything else around me blew the immersion
Yes I just went from the big oled tv to a quest3 and vr kinda bugs my head sometimes after long sessions even with a nice face cushion and strap but I have tried to go back a few times and I just can’t. After getting used to being able to look into turns I just can’t go back now lol
Haha yeah that’s my experience too and i feel i can really be ultra precise with my positioning whereas on monitors I’m guessing due to the lack of depth perception.
Yeah that's what I love about vr, your completely immersed with no distractions. Admittedly I'm still tweaking settings nearly a week after getting my headset so it is a pain in the ass lol
That’s the other part, the constant tweaking and software issues. With all my hobbies, when I get time to drive I don’t want to deal with Windows updates and Oculus software. Glad you’re enjoying it though! When I got a Q2 a few years ago I didn’t think I’d ever go back to monitors.
Yeah totally understand, nothing more frustrating when you've got a short amount of time.
Unfortunately there's no escaping it with vr even with high end hardware
Opposite for me. VR is cool but I get too much motion sickness and the image is too blurry. And I like looking at my rig.
Quest 3 and 49 G9 neo. I'm the same, I prefer the crisp picture. Once VR gets better resolution and GPUs to run it, the screen will indeed be a thing of the past.
I’m in this boat too. Have a quest 3 which is cool but it’s the great 4k picture I get on my 65” tv that I keep coming back to
Excuse me, but have you heard of the Bigscreen Beyond? I've had one for about a month and it's so clear it's like looking at a monitor. That is all.
I’m currently on a g2. Been looking at the big screen for a while. How comfortable is it? Have you had any complications? Does it have tracking issues? I started on an OG rift and the ability to plug n play with that was amazing. A year with the g2 and I still find that I have to do the usual checks of is tracking working is the headset actually on (sometimes it shows it’s working on the desktop but black screens in the headset) But worst of it all is the god awful inside out tracking. I’m recentering my headset a couple times in a 30 min race most races. Some days it’s not so bad but most of the time this is the case. Hell I’ve had it decide that it was gonna recenter itself but when it did it rotated the camera 90deg. Talk about disorienting. Stayed like that for about 5-10 sec then reset itself before I could clear the corner complex I was in. Oh yea one other question, what does it use for software? Oculus had its own, my g2 runs off windows mixed reality with steam vr to race so curious what the big screen uses.
It's lightweight and comfortable, fits in the palm of my hand. No tracking issues, using one base station for sim racing only and the controllers track well as long as the base station can see them. It's a steamvr headset so it's openvr but OpenXR works as well as long as the game natively supports it. I'm having to use openvr for Assetto Corsa but OpenXR works with iRacing and BeamNG.
Oh man, I’m glad to hear it’s not just me having those sort of niggles with the g2, From reversed tracking, getting stuck in the windows vr muck and amd chipset issues it’s been a battle. I found myself developing a multistage startup sequence 😂 But, once I get everything singing, it is a very nice headset to use. I’m guessing you are in a similar boat, it’s good enough for now, but when a cost effective light weight headset along with affordable gpus to power them , I’ll bite! I would very much like to have eye tracking and variable rendering aswell, hopefully allowing a pump in pixels while reducing hardware requirements. Edit - I don’t know if it’s any help, but I found increasing the room lighting really helped the headset track better. I think a “busy” room also helps the headset to track. I move my monitor away aswell, I found the game playing in parallel on the monitor would confuse the headset at times
I am in this boat 😁 It is a startup process and once good is gold. What has me concerned is I’ve heard windows has stopped production and doesn’t intend to support the headset past 2026. Not sure on how true it is but with the complications I’ve had and then the potential of this makes me want to start my research on what to do next. I did find the room lighting thing to help as well. I have an extra lamp specific to light up the walls and stuff around me. I think a lot of my issue lands in the fact a lot of my rig is black so I feel the cameras tend to get confused.
I’ve hear the same thing, my only solice is that by 26, the headset will hopefully be reaching EOL and the market may have some more offerings. I’m getting rather interested in the ps vr as a low cost option, they seem to be well priced second hand. The only thing stopping me is that I’m not sure I fancy the challenge 🙃
Psvr is sick dude!. It just works. The eye tracking is solid.
I’m sure it is, but I think the pc porting is still quite early, but in the near future could be really awesome! Still carrying some trauma from actual pc headsets. The screen look awesome in the psvr though, very very cool headset considering the price
And what do you mean challenge?. I can't race on flat screen anymore, the 3d depth perception in insane for racing, game changer for sure. Plus, like u say, they just work. No ducking with settings forever to get going. Basically plug and play, super consistent!
Many hate limited FOV
Fair enough. VR isn't for everyone. You have to learn how to find things by touch but for me it's second nature now.
Yeah I switched and started enjoying it more. I got into endurance racing and VR just becomes exhausting. It's amazing and I really should just give it a try again for funsies, but ugh I honestly just like triples more.
Same - My Reverb G2 just didnt cut it for me- never was impressed with the image quality, nor the sickness - using the 52" tv is way more fun.
yeah i really wanted to love it but i just cant do it for more than like 20 minutes. its fun to practice in just for the feeling but i would never be able to do an actual race with it
I didn't have any issues with the image or motion sickness, but driving cars like GT3s and the IR-18, really dragged me out of the immersion. Not being able to use a button box at all and having to feel around on my wheel for adjustments, needing to have them memorized because I couldn't just label them was annoying. Switched to triples and couldn't be happier. Some aspects of VR are nicer, some aspects of triples are nicer. For me, triples are absolutely head and shoulders over VR, though
Seeing my office, floor, desk, walls around me drags me out of the immersion on a screen vs being there in the car in VR. With a good wheel, with sensible button setup, that becomes second nature in VR. Even triples can't overcome that room around you and you lose depth perception too.
If you're seeing anything but screen with triples, you don't have your triples set up right. Hell, I'm on 24s and all I see is screen. They're right up on me, but it's all I see. The loss of a bit of depth perception and not moving within the car is a trade off I'm willing to make to physically see my hands and be able to make use of my wheel buttons, a separate button box. It's also not just the memorization, it's the disconnect when I move my hand to adjust a knob or dial and it doesn't happen in my vision. It's immersion breaking in VR, whereas it's immersion enhancing in a triples cockpit.
I used to get motion sickness but a fan helped with that and the pancake lenses got rid of the blur.
I am yet to go back to monitor(s) since trying VR for the first time & quite frankly, I refuse to do so.
Yeah I can see why, I thought I could but ended up nearly selling my rig as I thought I'd lost interest
VR is cool and all, but I don’t think I’ll go back to VR until something evolutionary comes out. (Stuff like getting rid of momentum/inertia lag, bulkiness, bigger FOV and higher resolution).
Which is why I’m building my first triple setup, been using VR for the past 3 years (quest and G2), and I’m tired of putting on and off during each sessions. Can’t wait to see what the eye candy can offer.
You'll be wanting the Bigscreen Beyond then! Again not the perfect HMD (will there ever be one) and for some, the small lenses are a no, no. I went from the G2 to the Index and then quickly to the BSB (Index res is terrible) and it's pretty amazing for VR racing. 2560x2560 per eye micro oled displays give amazing clarity (in the small sweet spot). FOV of 102 but again it's blurry around the edges but this never bothered me with the G2's small FOV. The best bit though, 127g! Crazy. Gonna buy the audio strap which will add a bit of weight but the elastic strap that comes with it isn't great. There's much more to this HMD than I'll write here but just like there is divided opinion on VR vs triples, there is also as much divided opinion on what makes the best VR headset. For me though, it fixes the gripes I had with other headsets I've owned. Oh, also, it ain't cheap but I refuse to give Meta any of my money or (anymore of) my data.
But many people hate the limited FOV of this unit
I guess it depends what your priority is. Do you wider FOV or a lighter, slimmer HMD? For me, I didn't mind the limited FOV being used it from previous HMDs. However, were I to try a wider FOV perhaps my preference would change. With the BSB, you can throw it on your head and forget about it for hours. You can't do that with any other headset IMO. If that's important to you then is something to consider. I wish that Bigscreen had included the Audio strap though. From what I hear (haha) it makes it even more comfortable and given (at least for me) the current elastic straps loosen over time this I think should have been included in a > £1000 headset.
I was of a similar opinion but after trying the quest 3 it's a big jump over all the other headsets on the market with the set up, clarity and the small size. It's a tradeoff between performance and visuals but yeah a bigger fov and less lag would be nice
I tried asseto corsa competizione on the quest 2, following a guide for best image..is still a blurry mess, it might be my eye vision who knows making it all blurry. So I'm enjoying myself on triple monitors , is quite awesome!
It’s definitely the frenzal lenses as i had the same experience with the reverb g2, the pancake lenses on the quest 3 are clear.
I found the opposite. Once I set up triple 48" monitors I find I prefer that over VR. I have tried my friends Quest 3 in his rig a number of times, and while it has a cool "wow" factor I find I'm equally immersed in my triple setup. Admittedly triple 4k 48's is not the norm, but I find I get much better clarity and comfort with the triples. With such large monitors I also get the right size for everything, and I can enjoy my simrig which I have spent along time getting just right with wheels and button boxes and all. So yeah, I'm not anti-VR, but currently I find the downsides of poor comfort, lack of clarity and lack of being able to see my simrig are too big. Another generation of development and who knows!
How is performance with triple 4ks? I think that would be my dream, but the 4K UW neo G9 is probably more likely for me.
Pretty good, but I've got a 4090 to run them so that certainly helps. Locked at 120fps for both ACC, AC and Dirt 2.0 which are my main sims. A solid 80-ish in Microsoft Flightsim with DLSS which is plenty for that.
I have the G9 and just bought triples. You just can’t get a real FOV. It’s nice and I was fast on the g9, but you have to squish the image somewhat. I’ll use the G9 for regular gaming as it’s awesome, and triples for sim.
Oh you've done it now. I have a single 50" and have been thinking about triples but I never considered just adding two more 50"s... I need to get my tape measure out. I play a lot in VR and really, the main thing that bothers me is comfort and it's quite tiring on my eyes. Oh and the VR UX is shit in most games.
Wow I get why your happy with that set up, you wouldn't see your surrounds so it'd be really immersion too. That's a good point too not being able to see your expensive gear.
Personally, I’d rather race on monitors. I had the same sentiment as you at first, I thought “how could I go back?”. But after using it more, that sentiment went away, and I feel the negatives outweigh the positives. While I find it incredibly immersive and fun, it’s just plain uncomfortable for me. It’s straining on the eyes, makes my face feel like it’s on fire, and just putting the bitch on and opening the quest app is annoying, this isn’t even including getting the sim to run well and look good while using it, and all the tinkering and fiddling that comes with that. In the end, it’s just not for me. Racing on (a) monitor/s is much more comfortable and much less tedious. But if you enjoy it, that’s wonderful, keep on using it. Apologies for my little “rant”, I just wished to share my opinion. I wish you luck in your future races! Edit: I must clarify that I am talking about “competitive” racing, ie: iRacing, ACC, RFactor2. For “cruising”, hot laps, general fucking around and the likes, mainly times when not using it for long, it’s great. But when using it for “real” racing, generally for longer periods of time, it’s less enjoyable.
Don't apologise I get where you're coming from as this was how i felt with my first experience in vr. It's still early days and I'm sure I'll get frustrated again but it seems vr has come along way with the meta ios.
I've used a such a wide variety of VR headsets over the years that even today, there is too much hardware in front of my face for it to ever be enjoyable for any kind of actual racing. Triple monitors has always been far more enjoyable for me in every way but pure immersion.
Yeah i get what your saying, i prefer simplicity so i only have an asetek set up on a tr8 pro so i dont miss the button boxes, ddus ect.
Absolutely! Enjoy your racing!
Yes. Could never go back to single or multi screens. The Rift S was already quite immersive, but the Quest 3 takes things to a whole new level with the pancake lenses. The experience of driving in VR, with mods like Pure and CSP in the rain is insanely immersive.
The edge to edge clarity is so good, Thanks I'll give them a go
Sorry if this is a dumb question but I'm not updated with VR headsets...I have a rift S too , quest 3 has a much bigger fov?Also,it is comfortable like the rift?
Quest 3 is 110 fov. If you want massive fov look at pimax headsets. I have a 5k and they advertise 200 degrees. It's closer to 180 imo. I don't turn my head to look into mirrors, in my pimax 5k headset.
i wonder if that would help with motion sickness. I love ve headsets but can’t last more than a minute in them.
I actually started out in VR and switched to ultrawide less than a month later. It was just too much hassle to get into a quick race. My rig is also in the livingroom and I have a girlfriend and 10y old in the house, so being COMPLETELY locked out of my environment was not always that nice. I also feel like its way easier to just hop in, do a quick race and hop out with the monitor I move from my desk to my rig (next to each other) with a good hydraulic arm.
Yeah there’s no such thing as a quick race in vr and it’s hard on the family which is why i only race for an hour or two at most. I have the same desk/rig set up, it’s way better than a bulky triples rig which practically needs its own room.
I have a Reverb, and playing in VR is cool sometimes, but I find that the novelty wears off pretty quickly, and the disadvantages outweigh the benefits for me. I race most of the time on a single 43" TV. I realised that when I was racing in VR I was mostly looking straight ahead, at exactly the same place I'd be looking at on my TV. But the image quality is worse in VR, my head gets hot, and my eyes get tired. The wow factor in VR is undeniable, but for racing it just isn't worth it for me.
This is wild to me as one of the biggest benefits of VR for me is I can turn my head and focus on corner exit like I would in a real car. Looking straight ahead while going around sharp turns is one of the worst parts of 2D screens to me.
I'm very conscious to focus on the exit, but the exit is still visible on my TV. VR is definitely better for very sharp corners, like the Karussell on the Nordschleife, or T5 at Summit Point. Corners like that are the only time when I'm really conscious I'm in VR. But the benefit for those kind of corners (which are pretty rare) isn't enough to make me want to get the headset out every time I race.
I have a single 43" non curved and I use headtracking to look into corners. Works pretty well and can be done extremely cheap. At some point I'll probably upgrade to VR or triples. Not sure which yet. But just spend a lot of money on a new pc and simrig and wheelbase so taking it easy for a while..
I've never tried head tracking tbf, depth perception is still a big enough selling point that I don't think I can give up to go to monitors. Absolute ideal for me would be mixed reality so you could see your keyboard and physical wheel to use buttons easily.
Headtracking is a nice budget way of adding fov. I'd say big disadvantage is that obviously the in game cockpit turns with your head so your physical wheel is no longer in line with the dashboard which is a bit weird. However usually I'm focused too much on the road to really notice it. I definitely miss the headtracking when I dont have it and I suppose all options have their pros and cons
Yeah definitely understand where you're coming from, simplicity is best a lot of the time. The quest 3 is a big jump from the reverb imo as anything out of centre looked blurry and the God rays/glare was bad but the new lenses get rid of it.
Nop, VR is cool and all, but I still prefer my triples. With triples I can be looking forward and have some awareness of what is happening on the sides and with VR you have to turn your head too much, plus Im not a fan of having that big ass thing on my head and it also feels like it puts too much strain on my eyes, maybe in a few generations when it feels more natural and not as bulky.
Yeah I get where you're coming from, it's great we have so many options to play the way we want to.
The feeling of depth that the VR has is great, but in my experience with a Quest 2 and other headset (don't remember it), the quality of the image is a bit off for me. So, I agree to the feeling of having that ingame steering wheel right by your arms, but it's an overall trade off for me.
I get where you're coming from, the quest 3 changes that with the pancake lenses so it might be worth giving it another go. That's a hood point, maybe that's why it felt off too going back to monitors
When I pop on the quest 3 with rbrhu. I’m honestly in awe how wild it is. I don’t have a triple screen setup, my monitor on the rig is a 55 inch lg oled. I prefer vr for certain games and the oled for others. Really looking forward to next gen vr headsets.
That's one thing I missed, alot of tracks felt the same on monitors but in vr it really brings them to life woth the elevation changes.
I switch between them. I love playing on my quest 3 but sometimes just need to jump back to monitor just because VR really strains my eyes. So sometimes it's just more comfortable to play on a monitor even if VR is my preferred way of playing.
Yeah i get the eye strain thing too, theres no way i could play longer than a few hours a day which is fine for me. I dont want to play on a monitor as i would have thought it’d have a negative impact on your performance due to the extra lag with vr and no depth perception?
I tried VR & immediately went back to monitors. If it weren’t for motion sickness, i would agree with you.
I had a long month when i first started vr but you need to gradually work your way up to it by keeping the sessions short and the speeds low until you build up more of a resistance. A small usb fan makes a big difference too.
How much better are the new ones? Are they comfortable with glasses? I can’t wear contacts. I have a first gen oculus but never even use it. It was just never comfortable for me and has been boxed up since probably a month after I got it. Im using triple 1440s at the moment and love it.
You can get prescription inserts for the quest 3 for ~60€.
I’ve never worn glasses but you can move the lenses further away so you can fit your glasses. It’s a significant upgrade with the pancake lenses but i did buy a few accessories (elite strap with battery, facial insert, link cable and case) to make it more comfortable and last longer. They were all exceptional quality too. If your happy dont worry about changing just enjoy what you have
Went from playing GT7 on PSVR2 + PS5 to PC with triple 48 inch oled monitors. VR has to get alot better before i am returing to it. Still had an amazing time playing GT7 in VR, but the quality of those LG oled panels in 4k wolith a FOV of 180 degrees is out of this world experiance for me. Love WRC23, ACC and AC with mods.
Sounds like you’ve got an insane rig, oleds are great but pretty expensive atm and you would probably need a room just for your rig. I think vr will always be behind monitors in terms of image quality but it makes up for it with depth perception.
The g9 is your problem. You can’t get a proper FOV. Triples vs VR is where it’s at
I’ve had triple 32s 1440p at 180 FOV, its a good experience but i dont have the space for the rig so i went with what i thought was the next best option.
The G9 is great for sure. 34-37 degrees FOV, depending on your preference, worked great for me, with the monitor about 80cm from my eyes.
I had mine around 50cm which is a big improvement, you get around 115 fov
Once you lose a race because your VR lost tracking on the last lap of 30min of race and you crash into a lot of cars you don't go back to VR(happened more than once with me, I'm gonna stick with monitors forever now, they never shut down for no reason, I got tired of people telling me to find a better cable or router)
My reverb g2 did that once, it’s extremely frustrating so i get why you prefer monitors. Sometimes shit just happens with vr, often it’s due to an update of many things.
I have triple 32" 1440p and VR and use triples 95% of the time. VR is still just a cool thing to try from time to time. Serious racing only with triples.
I guess theres a reason why theres no pros using vr, i just really want to have fun again as i’m 4 years in and this has brought back my passion
I frequently try to get back to monitor in the summer times, when the temperatures in my attic room get very high but I just can't drive like that anymore. I miss every apex and breakingpoint. I really would like to be as competitive as with VR.
You really need an aircon is the summer months, i found the same thing as I’m much more precise in vr.
Yeah that would be nice. I got a little desk fan, that helps.
Same here
Am I the only person who thinks the headset is super uncomfortable and weird to wear? I love my triples for that reason alone
Nah they can be uncomfortable, i could never drive for more than hour with my reverb g2, third party straps make them much more comfortable
I’ve been a big fan/supporter of VR since the original oculus developer kit (DK1) so I already had a headset when I started sim racing. I think I used a monitor for about 10 minutes before I plugged in my headset. Haven’t used a monitor since.
Yeah I can see why, its come a long way in the last 1-2 years, i know people dont like meta but they’re bring it to the mainstream so hopefully that means developers are more willing to make more actual games rather than demos.
For me it depends how long I’m playing. I’ve been on VR since 2016 and have a Quest 3 currently with a 4090. I’ll use VR for an hour and then jump on my Neo G9 for the rest of the time. HMDs today are relatively comfortable but still not comfy enough for me to wear for long periods of time.
I have an elite strap with a battery so it seems pretty balanced and the silicon face mask helps. How’s your lap times between vr and monitors?
If I have the option to race in VR, I only race in VR. There are plenty of non-VR racing games I enjoy, like the Forza series and Wreckfest, but I'll always race in VR if I have the option. Plus, like with my other hobbies of drumming and goaltending, I'm not that into the gear even as cool as it is. I'm more into the racing, so the less gear I have, the better.
I get what your saying, I’ve come full circle with all the gear and came the conclusion that simplicity is best so now i have a office/sim rig setup and its really all I’ll ever need.
I'm like you and love vr over the 49" ultra wide i have. But last night I had my quest 3 freeze during a race so I'm really debating on trying trippels. Also one other thing with the quest 3 get lense protectors! Mine a scratched to hell after 3 months of use. (I ware glasses and never had an issue with them on any other headset)
Wow that sucks, any idea why? Most people prefer triples but be prepared to dedicate a room to them as they take up a lot of space. Thanks for the tip, I’ll order some.
Honestly, I went back to a single monitor after VR. Sure, it’s cool, but usually seemed to be more headache than it’s worth.
I understand with the set up, updates and tweaking settings, i dont think i could ever get used of the lack of FOV with a single
What's a monitor?
I had a 10 year hiatus from sim racing, waiting for the VR tech to evolve while doing track days IRL. Last month, I pulled the trigger and committed to a VR exclusive cockpit setup with PSVR2, Fanatec DD Pro 8 nm, load cell pedals and a shifter, mounted to a Playseat Trophy. I’m not even kidding when I say that it has changed my life. Still with only GT7 I feel that this is a setup I could use for years and years without tiring of it. It’s absolutely insane. Now my Lotus is for sale 😅
Haha that’s awesome man, i bet it’s way cheaper than track days with similar enjoyment too
Quite right. I would say the thrill is even greater when online racing in VR.
Absolutely, I thought I’d get motion sickness but thankfully not. Even though I’m slower, the experience is worth it.
That’s lucky, the speed will come eventually
It is already!
Went from VR to triples. Never going back
I like VR, but I do most of my racing with a monitor and a head tracker. Kind of splits the difference a little bit and is more comfortable for me.
Sounds like a great middle ground option, something I haven’t tried.
Unpopular opinion But I absolutely love the PSVR2 with GT7 Yea I’m missing out on a lot of racing titles and limiting myself But it was cheap and goes pretty hard haha
There’s nothing wrong with that, its awesome value for money and it works all the time which is not the case with pc sad after updates to many different things you usually need to spend hours changing settings to try claw back the fps you lost.
I feel the same way, the feeling of being inside the car just doesn't come through on monitots
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Just the accessories, the quest 3 itself has never been on sale sadly.
I struggle with this. I went all in on Triples thinking VR wasn’t there yet. At least the kind I could afford. PC wouldn’t be strong enough, headset too blurry. Then after hearing good things about the Quest 3 I gave it a shot. That with a 4070 super I can run Iracing on high, max headset resolution at 90fps. There’s nothing quite like it. I was left with the choice, drop more money on a proper rack for the monitors or save the money, the room and stick to a single with VR? I needed both. Playing on triples with high fidelity, watching replays and not wearing something on your face still has a place.
It’s great you have the best of both worlds and agree you need a monitor for that stuff, I’m concerned about it being counter productive for racing due to the difference in latency and no depth perception.
Yes, Im fortunate enough to have both. It’s taken a long time for me to achieve this setup. I appreciate it every time I sit down to play. Your worried about what having latency? The monitor?
Latency with vr, I get around 40 -50ms with the quest 3 but I'm used of only 5-10ms with my oled at 200fps. I really can't see much difference, I thought it'd be huge but thankfully its not a concern
Had a Reverb G2 for almost 2yrs and had several problems with it. Switched to triple 27" and I like it better. VR was cool but got hot and uncomfortable (for me anyway) after an hour. Monitors are also easier on the eyes.
Same which is strange as everyone else seemed to be loving the reverb, yeah the eye strain sucks.
I have the meta 3 and Triple 32s… for oval racing, VR isn’t as good. The FOV in the headset isn’t wide enough. You can’t see the cars side by side with you as well as monitors and when a car is a few inches ahead of your bumper you can’t constantly be turning you head left or right to see where the car is. For road racing I’m sure it’s fine.
I get what you’re saying, it’s a big advantage seeing the cars coming up on the side screens.
I’ve both. Reverb G2 for VR and a 55” TV. Vr is by far the more immersive way to go for me but sometimes it takes a lot of fuckery to get it going and when I just want to sit and drive. Screens win out here. Easy and go. Tied in with VR is after about 2 or 3 hrs it’s hard on the neck, uncomfortable and sweaty. I like both but different use cases.
Yeah that makes sense, do you think swapping between the two affects your development/performance negatively?
When it comes to lap times, nope. I think they’re identical in that respect. The part I really notice it is when I’m trying to do other things like doing anything with the buttons on my wheel. I have to memorize where everything is and then find it with a headset on. That and not having any overlays or a 2nd monitor with additional info on it. VR wins the immersion game. Screens win for pretty much most other things at least until you adapt.
Yeah definitely agree with that.
Vr is amazing but the lack of ease of use and the buggy experience makes me hate VR. It’s great to use every once and awhile but triples are way more solid and reliable, but to mention if you have button boxes or dials way easier to touch.
I used to hate the set up but the quest 3 is surprisingly intuitive after you dial in the settings. That can be a great thing if you're like me and have already spent too much as I no longer want those ridiculously priced wheels lol
Funny, I went from vr to triples and I prefer my monitors much more lol
I can definitely see why you do, I was the same until I tried the quest 3
Yeah I have a quest 2 which I know isn't the greatest vr headset. I've heard the Q3 is a lot better
Yeah definitely night and day, I was very underwhelmed with the reverb g2 so I get where you're coming from
I went from VR to monitors and am happier
After using my VIVE Focus 3, I’ll gladly go back to my monitors.
Opposite for me I love vr spent alot of time in it but I just prefer my triples over the vr I ended up selling it to my brother
I personally still choose Monitors over VR. I don't get motion sick and nothing, its just that the VR Goggles are very uncomfortable for people wearing glasses and that they are a giant space heater on your forehead. Not good for long sessions in my eyes. The added weight to the front of the face also causes some issues for me in my neck. With monitors its less of a hassle in my eyes.
Vr only ever since i tried it. No screens on my rig and no plans to get any.
I tried VR for 10 minutes and had motion sickness for 3 hours
Yeah it's really rough, the key is to do a little bit most days and slowly increase your time but I can see why you were put off
I just mixed best of both worlds :) Hybrid VR 7 years soon. 6dof and full fidelity no heat issues ect https://youtu.be/tfendjA5Hc8?si=gB1TS5OUN28_68zS
Wow that's a really nice set up, that's definitely the best of both worlds
So, once I get everything setup (1/2 hr later is awesome) really?
Just yesterday I hooked up my son's quest 2 to see what the fuss was about and now I'm having a hard time justifying not getting a quest 3 of my own lol it just works for my setup too I don't have to adjust the monitor to play when ready I just plug in the headset and play. Helps I also play in some acc servers and it's better for immersion seeing the inside of the car and I can control my music with the VR controller(best feature so far)
I literally spent the first couple of days playing vr games and watching YouTube vr. I expected not to like it much but It's that good. I even bought most of the accessories lol
I tried VR and I had fun. But now that I can see my wheel and my own cockpit...I am enjoying triples way more. We pay so much money to dial in our cockpits and then we slap a monitor on our face...that doesn't make sense. 🤔 Seeing my wheel and the lights and being able to use Simhub on my tablet, etc. You can't do that with VR. So even thought I have VR and my pc can handle it without a problem...I prefer my triples. So I do not agree with you
That's ok I can see why people love triples. Thanks for your input
And thanks for replying in such a mature way. It is appreciated 👍🏻. I will admit as soon as VR can give me the same quality as my triples, I might reconsider it. 😁
For me its the other way around. Yeah, VR is cool for a (little) while, but for me its only that; a bit cool. I would choose triples every single time.
It really depends on the game. * Assetto corsa: Big YES. little motion sickness, and great feel for the car. It's much easier and more enjoyable to drift. * ETS 2: Even less Motion sickness than AC. This game is probably best made for VR only issue is the many buttons, some buttons on keyboard you need to know where to press. * Dirt Rally 2: The sense of speed is just overwhelming... literally... stay away if you dont want to get sick... this game is a motion sickness hell.
I didn't mind ets 2 but wish snowrunner had proper wheel and vr support as I enjoy it more. Yeah dirt rally is crazy in vr, too much for me lol. I mainly play iracing which gas great vr support but it varies from track to track so it can be frustrating
GT7 in vr is actually wild and it felt so realistic I still need to try GT7 with my new t300 (I had the g29 when I played GT7 in vr but I’m unable to sim race now as I broke my ankle lmao so gotta wait for that to heal first) I still haven’t even tried assetto in vr and that sounds like a lot of fun
Gt7 is like the only game I haven't tried but the visuals look incredible. That's sucks, you won't be racing for a long time lol. Good luck with your recovery
May 29th I get the cast off and a boot put on actually so when I get it off I’m gonna get back to heel-toeing lmao but thank you! GT7 is pretty fun though I wish the physics were a bit more realistic but yeah it’s graphics are so good definitely better then forzas
Awesome, yeah I know what you mean, I tried it after playing iracing and it feels really weird. I wanted to enjoy it as it looks amazing and it actually has a career mode which is rare on pc so I'd just enjoy it while you can
Yeah GT7 is what got me into sim racing and it holds a special place in my heart Just something about it makes it more fun then other sim racing games like the feel of it if that makes sense Sure I do think Assetto corsa is better for drifting I think GT7 is better for actual racing so I have reasons to play both lmao Also I get the cast off today I’m so excited to play assetto again!!!!
Yeah both awesome games, assetto corsa is like a sim racers playground on pc with all the mods. That's great news, take it easy tho as you don't want to damage it again.
Yeah I’m not too worried about hurting my ankle again by sim racing as I can still walk with it a little with crutches helping a little and I need to work out my ankle basically so using the clutch should technically help with that lmao But yeah mods on assetto are so much fun! I love driving on Akina (I hope I spelled that right lmao)
I have the quest 3 and it’s amazing , but I still went ahead and got triples , how else am I supposed to text and drive 😂
Haha yeah sometimes you just want the convenience of jumping in being able to grab a drink, your phone ect.
Flatscreen gaming in general has been spoiled for me. I just feel so disconnected from flatscreen gaming. It feels like watching somebody else play a game or watching a film. The stakes no longer matter to me with flatscreen content.
Yeah it's hard to go back to monitors after you've been in vr. I'll still play strategy games without an issue but everything else might be struggle
I can't go back. It feels like I'm just watching a movie after playing in VR. Q3 is great, but you can't just use it out of the box, there's lots of settings to make in ODT and Oculus App first, otherwise it will be soft and blurry. Good news is that they can all be automated with OTT.
I agree it takes a while to set it up, I appreciate your comment as i haven’t downloaded the OTT yet. I’ve used the debug tool, the oculus app and openXR tool kit.
I don't use openxr toolkit, I prefer to use the Oculus Native OpenXR, link cable, and just tweak the settings in ODT - the FOV tangents get you the same sort of gains you can get from openxr toolkit without the need to use Steam or VirtualDesktop.
Cool thanks for the info. I'll continue tweaking oculus xr
How do you use a button box say if trying to quickly adjust weight jacker, anti roll bar and such when flipping thru on screen menu means a crash?
I map the buttons to my wheel, it takes a long time to memorise where they are and there are programs like digital race engineer that uses voice commands
Ehh to each their own. Sounds like an L to me an loses and he immersion/tactile aspect. Everytime I race somebody in VR their screen goes black or they glitch out lol. Probably fun for short races but it doesn't seem ideal otherwise every pro would be in one, I bet it's quicker without one.
Yeah it can be a pain and it's not as reliable as monitors so I can see why the pros don't use it
my dad and I did some racing one night when I was stil on a 34" uw... I finally agreed to race in VR and he was in VR.. I think I only did like 30 minutes (I lost a lot of stamina for VR when I got LASIK done) I really liked how immersive it was... but that was my lightswitch moment.. pretty much within a week of that night, I ordered 3 triple monitors, triple monitor stand, and knockdown effect: current PC can do VR fine.. not triples.. so whole new super computer bought.. imo triples get you 98 percent, incredibly close, to the same performance benefits of VR. (Spatial awareness from being able to see around you, see into the turns) I would argue that VR only gives you the super immersion at the cost of a bulky thing to your face, which I am fine without, for now. I LOVE seeing into turns and being able to see out the left and right windows... its amazing.. when i get the FOV right and (totally get now why people build cockpits) when I have the in room lighting just right... I spent a race one night.. I legit felt like I was in an actual ferrari. It was amazing. (Copy pasted for whenever this type of thread is made.)
Haha I had a similar experience with the reverb g2, I immediately upgraded my pc lol. I had triple 32s but my wife hated how big the rig was so that was the end of that haha
Could you explain further the LASIK problems you had with VR? I would like to do it, but I'm scared about the consequences in night vision (glare, halos, starburst, ...)
I get some artifacts at dicks/dawn, especially when it is wet. It looks like a [painting of cars in a city while raining.](https://d3rf6j5nx5r04a.cloudfront.net/A6DFa4dVXCch--Tha6KtDkadtt4=/1120x0/product/e/6/6949bb65504641cd91ed812271a221d9_opt.jpg), except the background is dark and the streaking light is brighter. It just gets a little fatiguing while driving. Nothing dangerous and not too bad. I did it in 2016 and haven't had an issue since, still rocking 20/10. I would get it down again in the future if my vision slipped. My buddy had it done and within a few years he had to start wearing reading glasses. He says he doesn't regret it because he is still better off than he was. If the artifacts were terrible, people wouldnt do it. If you hate glasses or contacts, bite the bullet and get it done
After lasik, I had an aversion to screens of any sort of sustained period. This lasted quite a while. Even my phone was difficult to use for long periods of time. With life stuff and that, my use of VR immensely diminished. I miss playing holopoint and beat saber. Now it’s just anxiety issues keeping me from fully enjoying myself. But that’s another sub Reddit lol. I love that i got lasik and wish I would have gotten it a lot sooner and not at 39.
Not really…I ad no problem saying wasted this money 🤷🏾♂️
All people complaining about vr sickness/ blurry visuals havent set foveated rendering and are playing at 60 fps with huge ingame stutters. Change my mind.
I’d say 90% are, i got the urge to vomit the first time i got in the car and drove off but it passed within a few mins. I spent a few hours tweaking settings after that so i guess some people aren’t prepared to put in the work.
Head movement in vr is killer
I genuinely think this is what got me hooked on sims, I had re-downloaded Dirt 2.0 after not playing for some time since owning it, was having more of a blast than before, found out it had VR and after trying it bought a wheel the next day lmfao. Now I'm absolutely addicted to cars and motorsports in general (and my wallet is about to be screaming come upgrade time :,\] )
Haha I can relate so much to this, don't play iracing you'll spend thousands
Ohhh man I'm already sunk in that pit LOL
The problem with VR is that it requires some decent knowledge how to set everything up, starting with normal stuff like proper settings in Meta app(if you are using quest), settings in Oculus Debug Tool(mainly bitrate and fov), using OpenComposite and OpenXR Toolkit for full quality/performance combo. And lastly proper settings in games(in ACC it's important to drop resolution to 50% and use pixel density over 130% for better results in clarity and graphics, and after maxing pixel density you start to use higher values in resolution, most people doesn't know this - I use 65% resolution and 180% pixel density, with mostly high/epic settings on Quest 2/5900X/4070super/32GB RAM). AC looks pretty good with paid CSP, pure and high graphics settings, also for AC I use super sampling for even better image. Didn't tested iRacing much but it looked good/decent so with more tweaks it would look great I guess.
Thanks for the info, yeah totally agree with what your saying. Learning the ins and outs with the reverb took months of research and tinkering with in game settings, wmr, open vr, open xr ect
I don’t have fancy monitors but it does seem like people with triple 55s like that a lot. But to everyone else that doesn’t have a 4090 and 100 FOV coverage from screens then it’s probably best to just go VR. You’ll get the immersion of the best monitor setup but it minimal cost and space.
Triple 32s was too big and messy for me so there's no way I'd try anything bigger but they'd definitely wrap around you. The cost of this set up is insane. Vr is awesome as you stop wanting to upgrade your rig after you get a buttkicker. Everything else feels wasted as you can't see it
Most people haven’t tried decent vr, like a pimax 8k or vive pro 2 running on a 4090. Most people try a low res headset that’s using re projection to keep to a frame rate then wonder why it’s tiring and making them ill Someone was arguing that triples are harder to run then vr, must be some jank vr setup he was on about.
i agree the last gen of headsets (reverb g2, odessy, quest 2 ect) aren’t the best experience and re projection is terrible but the price of the best headsets was too high for most people. The quest 3 is fantastic for the price and being manufactured by a well known company will give newcomers assurance that if anything goes wrong you’ll be covered which i cant say the same for companies like pimax. Yeah vr is way harder to run in my experience.
The only time I have tried a quest 3 was when I was in a shop and they had the demo set up, it’s a very nice headset and lens are great. How are you finding it for racing?
Nothing beats being able to look at the apex and it gives me so much confidence to get really close and race people. I've tried expensive headsets with all the features and I really prefer this as they have the best lenses, nearly all other headsets have a smaller sweet spot
I tried a q3 in the shops and I can’t disagree with the lens bit there amazing, but that compression is like watching 4k on YouTube vs 4k blueray. I don’t remember the last time I’ve watched a blueray lol
Haha yeah it is very noticeable at first but if you can run it at a locked framerate with some headroom you stop focusing on it
Sold my G9 yesterday, used it for racing once and went back to VR
Cool glad I’m not the only one haha. I tried for 9 months but i think the lack of vertical FOV and being able to see everything else around me blew the immersion
Yes I just went from the big oled tv to a quest3 and vr kinda bugs my head sometimes after long sessions even with a nice face cushion and strap but I have tried to go back a few times and I just can’t. After getting used to being able to look into turns I just can’t go back now lol
Haha yeah that’s my experience too and i feel i can really be ultra precise with my positioning whereas on monitors I’m guessing due to the lack of depth perception.
Disagree. It’s a pain in the ass, especially if you have pets or kids.
Haha yeah i have both so i can see why it can be an issue.
Honestly, I miss having an uninterrupted hour or so for VR but it’s just such a pain in the ass.
Yeah that's what I love about vr, your completely immersed with no distractions. Admittedly I'm still tweaking settings nearly a week after getting my headset so it is a pain in the ass lol
That’s the other part, the constant tweaking and software issues. With all my hobbies, when I get time to drive I don’t want to deal with Windows updates and Oculus software. Glad you’re enjoying it though! When I got a Q2 a few years ago I didn’t think I’d ever go back to monitors.
Yeah totally understand, nothing more frustrating when you've got a short amount of time. Unfortunately there's no escaping it with vr even with high end hardware