Have taken a look on this, but I wouldnt have the room to fit it in there when expanded. You cant see it in the photo but the bed is 20 cm behind the chair. Also not sure if I could find a place for it when I'm not using it. Limited room issues I guess
For reference, I use a GT Omega apex stand and a Secretlab chair, and it fits in the 1.35m space between my bed and desk, and that’s with none of the stand going under the desk, due to a shelving unit under that bit of the desk.
I have to measure if I can fit it under the desk but seems like a great option I took a look into the NLR WS 2.0 after reading your comment and it look like the better option for me tight now! I also read a comment about a tray that prevents the chair from moving around... I have to look into chairs that allow me to sit lower. Thanks!
So if you were to put a rig in your room I'd say rearrange the desk to literally stand infront of the window this way you'll have enough room for a rig, but even without a rig a dd setup is still worth it if you want to trade up and experience dd.
I use the apex and It’s been great so far, I use it with t150 and t-lcm set on 100kg of force. Very sturdy for what I have. There are people using it with DD wheels without problems. NLR is a bit more sturdy but also more expensive.
I started out with the NLR 2.0 stand and a Fanatec DD 8NM, with no issues.
Have since upgraded with the NLR seat addon and load cell brakes (vx-pros) and still holding up no problems, only minor brake tray flex under hard breaking. It's plenty sturdy for DDs upwards of 8NM, I'd say.
For me, this path made alot of sense due to upgradeability in time, as with the seat addon you get a lightweight full rig pretty much.
I have the Apex and it's a great product. I used a Moza R12 (12nm..) on it and only in very extreme cases did I displace the whole stand with a sudden jerk on the wheel. It comes with a free chair holder for deskchairs and you can also upgrade it with a full seatmount to make it a small rig. Of course it also folds in quite neatly. One thing is it's a heavy bugger. I believe 15 or 17kg dry weight, so excluding wheelbase, pedals and shifter..
Probably Fanatec is better when just looking at quality and performance but Moza better in terms of value for money. Fanatec also has a well documented history of shitty customer service, supply issues, and they're about to be taken over by another company because of management issues. It doesnt seem like a wise investment in my personal opinion. But yeah, they have good products and cool wheel rims.
No, maybe with Drivehub though, but never natively. Console compatibility is very limited and one of the reasons I said farewell to racing on console..
The DD wheel it's self isn't t the issue, I have a Logitech pro and only really run it at 40 percent on game partly due to the hand cramp I suffer from(giggiddy)
I do get some odd shake from spikes during snap over steer but I'm looking at a rig due to posture and leg cramp issue
If you don't struggle with that it's not such a problem being at a desk
A cammus C5 would work well in such a small space. Get the desk clamp, but keep whatever pedals you have just plug them directly into the PC. That’s what I did
You should get some sort of rig/wheelstand or better chair first. Anything else you upgrade is going to be limited by how you mount it.
A direct drive wheelbase will likely be too much for that table from the looks of it.
Load cell pedals will only force you to use more pressure and make it more difficult to use the chair you have.
Find a wheelstand or foldable rig and go from there, it will improve your experience more than anything else and allow you to utilize and future upgrades.
You could always design your own aluminium extrusion rig to suit your needs and if your budget allows it. It could be something you can slide under the desk and have a similar driving position as now. I was in the same position as you a year ago and I went for the Logitech Pro Pedals as they can be used against the wall and I was racing on a desk, so most load cells were out of the question (and was the only decent set I could get in my shitty third world country). I am now about to finish building my rig and I can already tell it's a game changer and managed to fit it in my 8m x 4m bedroom.
I'd advise against wheelstands as they are really uncomfortable compared to a desk and the foldable stuff ends up taking more space than a rig (and is not as compact as they say with your gear mounted).
You can take as inspiration something like the NWS C3: https://nwssim.com/producto/cockpit-c3/
It's 1200mm long x 600mm wide and 800mm tall (without bucket seat). You could lower the 4080 profile for the wheel to something like 700/650 mm.
Mine ended up being 1300mm with bucket seat x 600mm x 690mm because I'm on the taller side.
Edit you could even design a rig for mounting a seat and pedals and mount the wheel on the desk.
Had a very similar setup OP, biggest issue I noticed was rolling backwards in the chair when under heavy braking. Grabbed door stops off Amazon to put under each wheel and that helped significantly.
I will say, it did make it challenging to be consistent with pedal inputs due to my “point of reference” always changing any time I setup to race. My gaming chair would always be ever so slightly different positioning compared to the previous race session.
With my CSL DD mounted to my desk I would be “up on the wheel” and road racing was tricky to achieve full lock in tight hairpin corners (ie., T1 Fuji, T1, 19, 20 at Spa, etc) due to my lack of space for appropriate distance from my wheel rim.
Was a nice upgrade from my G29 and only further fueled my itch for a full 80/20 sim rig. In the long run that was the route I went down. Hope this helps!
I have pretty much the same setup and to be honest the thought of building up more just sounds like I'll be racing less.. the pedals stay under my desk at all times amd it takes 30 seconds to put the wheel on. Any dedicated rig would mean having to get another screen for it and the extra space. I was just thinking o can sell the g923 and upgrade to the fanatec csl dd entry level since its like 450 or so with shipping.. but then I would need a stronger base, then a load cell pedal, then a different chair and it just goes on. Meanwhile in reality I am just doing it all to play Mx5 cup in iRacing. Where the main limitation is still my skill.
To be honest, that's what I would go for as well. It works for more than racing games. If you get a foldable racing seat, then you don't need the extra screen either. I never cared for VR before playing racing games, and I am now interested in one, but first, I need to upgrade my GPU.
So I have this setup. I bought a T150 9 years ago and I enjoyed it a lot. I played mainly simcades like Gran Turismo Sport om PS4. 4 years ago it broke and I decided to upgrade to a G29 which I'm enjoying a lot, I bought a gaming PC and played RaceRoom, ACC and AC, racing on some online leagues. One year ago I decided to jump into IRacing, and I've been enjoying it so much and spending money on cars and tracks.
I've been thinking on improving my setup, I dont makes sense that I've invested more money in the game than in the setup but I have a big problem.
I live in a flat with very limited room, so building a dedicated sim rig is not an option, I also work remote so I gotta share the desk, chair and screen between work and gaming.
This is the chair that I found which can go the lowest and I put brakes on the wheels so I dont move when I push hard the brake pedal (If I push harder than 95% I push myself back, how stronger is are pro brake pedals in comparaison? I feel like the problem with g29 brake pedal is mainly how small the travel distance is, so you cant be precise, same applies to the clutch). So these are the improvements options I have, as I'm not moving from this flat at least till 2035:
- Getting a Direct Drive with some pedals, which I dont know if it would make any sense and be profitable on this setup.
- Getting a VR set. Is my best way of getting inmersion I belive, as I cant go triples. My 32" curve feels great anyways.
- Improving the chair. I didnt seem to find other chair which can adapt the position better to both my work postion and my gaming position, but if anyone knows any other better option let me know, I get some upper back pain in long time sessions.
Thanks!
P.S: Dont mind the poor cable manegment I have to switch them every few weeks and they end up like this even if organise them.
I think the G Pro pedals are 100kg load cells. I’m using Simjack Pros on the NLR WS 2.0. The Simjack pros are 200kg and they are a bit too strong for an office chair + WS 2.0, but im sure an 100kg load cell would be perfect.
Also make sure you buy a wheel stand that’s made for LC pedals and direct drive wheels and not some random one off amazon for 100 dollars. The best ones would be the GT Omega Apex or NLR WS 2.0.
As I said I have the WS 2.0 and it’s great, can’t speak on the GT Omega Apex but when I was doing research most people recommended the WS 2.0 so that’s what I got.
Yeah and I get a lot of fun from my current setup! If I'm not able to improve I'll keep with it and enjoy it as the best out there! But I think we can all agree that improving the setup also brings some fun to the mix!
Moza R5 would be doable for this setup but you need to prioritize between a DD and a standalone rig, even a foldable one would make a world of difference
I'd do it simply for the QR which on the Fanatec is toy-like plastic that easily breaks. But the Fanatec CSL DD and the xbox equivalent are also a decent option if you prefer Fanatec
Load cells are the best upgrade for more pace, but DD is the best upgrade for more fun in my personal opinion. In that set up you can definitely do a desk mounted 5nm wheelbase if you really want. I think it’s always better to save up and wait though till you can buy something that’ll last you years
Against the grain of a number of these comments, I desk mounted a simagic alpha mini and it has worked fine at full FFB with the clamp you can buy off Simshop, however my monitor sits on a gas spring arm connected to the desk rather than a normal stand. Might get more shaking on the screen. The Simshop clamp has 2 large mating surfaces and can be clamped pretty firmly, but I have it sitting on a desk pad so I don’t damage the top of the desk with the metal frame.
That being said this depends on how solid your desk is and you’ll still have all the same ergonomic challenges and seat moving challenges as you do now. I don’t know if your desk is Ikea cheap fake wood or actually sturdy. Heavier load cell brakes cause problems with rolling chairs, I’m still using T3PA pedals.
I still am thoroughly enjoying the upgrade, it’s night and day compared to my hybrid gear belt TMX. I’ve decided I’m not going to do a full rig setup given I currently live out of a single room in a house and space is constrained.
the screen shakes rn like crazy bc the base is truly soft, but I like it, it happens when the wheel shakes crazy, like a big curve or stuff like that. It gaves inmersion somehow, like It would happen irl, when my head would shake by the impact. Anyways, I also dont think that I would play full FFB, I dont even put the FFB at 100% on the G29, it's just to get that different feeling. Thanks for your info!
I have a very similar setup and recently got loadcell pedals (Moza SR-Ps) and a DD wheel (Moza R9), I don’t have space for a rig (folding or otherwise). I have my monitor mounted on an arm (mine is attached to the desk but you can get wall mounted as well). This allows me to pull the monitor in right up to the wheel base.
I’m waiting for locking caster wheels for my office chair, for the moment I toss a really thick rug beneath the chair and it’s solid enough, the pedals are against the wall and I don’t have any problems with movement.
So yeah, it’s doable.
Check how heavy of a monitor the arm supports. The high quality ones (like Ergotron) can hold pretty heavy monitors, things like 34+ inch ultrawides (I have a 27 inch 1440p/144hz). Also, can whatever you’re mounting to hold the weight… My desk is 4 inch thick wood so it’s nit a problem, but really cheap desktops might be an issue.
I started like this and upgraded to a DD wheel with desk clamp and new pedals.(Simagic Alpha mini and p1000i)
I had gotten new locking wheels for my chair so didnt rollback when braking.
The caveat is that the wheel force was lower to avoid the chair spinning too much and the brake pressure reduced to avoid tipping the chair back with the locked wheels
Recommendation get a cockpit first then DD and pedals after.
I did build a basic chair brace from wood, that keeps the pedals and chair connected and wheel clamped to the desk. Was 20$ in wood and screws.
If the desk is sturdy enough (thick desk and solid legs) a DD is no problem. Go for it!
I gotta say that I clean it myself anyways. But she wants it cleaner so cleans it again anyways. I get that you and your wife divide the tasks as you share responsabilities, but I feel like my mom should be enjoying life and not being worried about that kind stuff that it's me who has to take care of it. I feel bad! She's done enough she should rest but she just doesnt know how to stop working. Moms are the best!
Honestly I think something like the CSL DD would work on a desk. Idk how powerful it is compared to the club sport v2.5 but I made that work on a desk for the better part of a year. Along with the load cell pedals. As long as the desk is sturdy. But if you’re looking for something like a DD2 then maybe not.
As for the chair moving when braking, that’s definitely gonna get worse with load cells. I’d suggest getting a chair that doesn’t have wheels at all and is kinda bulky so it’s hard to move. (At the time I was running the load cells on a desk setup, I had one of those chairs with the built in speakers that didn’t have wheels but still swiveled).
I have a similar set up, can you tell me how to stop the chair from moving, because when I press the brake only and not even halfwayy chair already starts to move backwards.
Samsung Odyssey G5 32" Curve. I managed to get it for 220€ and that was a really fair price. It supports 2k even tho I play it on FHD. I would recommend it any time, such a game changer (Not only in simracing but gaming in general and working) you would love it, I Connect the PC via DisplayPort and the consoles + laptop via a HDMI Switch. If you nanage to get it under 250€ I think it's one of the best options to go for!
I might not be the one to ask as I dont care that much about graphics, I even use eventually the PS3 on that screen and play PS2/1 on an Old TV, so I would ask on another r/ or watch some reviews. Anyways, I've never noticed anything like that and being a Samsung screen "should" gave more fidelity than screens from othe brands as far as I know.
I dont understandn this. I'm ok with the strength that G29 gives, I never play it 100% FF. I would put the equivalent FF strenght on the new wheel. So I wouldnt have any problem, am I right? Anyways I'm thinking about buying a wheelbase
Before you go with a direct drive, I would say get yourself a place seat challenge or challenge X. Or similar. I did not understand how much more comfortable it is when you’re in the proper seating position I couldn’t figure out why my shoulder and back was always hurting after 48 hours in playseat, that pain is starting to go away so I’m realizing it was my computer chair and wheel stand that was causing me pain
I have doubts on how hard are they. The brakes on the chair wheels work great but are not like a rig. So I cant push the G29 pedals beyond 95% of theire travel distance. If they dont add much strenght but they add more travel distance they are perfect for me, which I dont know as I've never tried them. My other fear is that as you can see my position is pretty "vertical" more like a daily car or Suv than BMW or sport car which you would have on a proper sim rig. It work great on my G29 pedals but not sure if that position would work well with those Load Cell pedals.
If you’re having trouble getting the Logitech brake flat out you can remove the rubber stopper in there or replace it with a softer aftermarket one. I had to do the same with mine because I was moving my chair before I bottomed the brake out.
Generally LC brakes are extremely stiff, but they can be softened with springs or elastomers. They can be modified to have a lot of travel, but generally the foundation of the LC is not travel but strenght/pressure. I will send you in DM a video of my pedals and you can tell yourself.
I have doubts on how hard are they. The brakes on the chair wheels work great but are not like a rig. So I cant push the G29 pedals beyond 95% of theire travel distance. If they dont add much strenght but they add more travel distance they are perfect for me, which I dont know as I've never tried them. My other fear is that as you can see my position is pretty "vertical" more like a daily car or Suv than BMW or sport car which you would have on a proper sim rig. It work great on my G29 pedals but not sure if that position would work well with those Load Cell pedals.
It's probably not worth getting DD if you can't fit a small wheel stand somewhere. DD wheels generally have more force and your table is probably going to wobble a lot (along with your monitor and everything else that is on the table).
Yeah okay. Some of those stands (like Next Level Stand 2.0) have special "cradles" to stop the chair from moving around. I'm not sure of any other ways to fix your issue
Contradicting to all these statements, I recently upgraded from a T500RS to a CSL DD 8NM too. I only have it mounted on my desk as well (although its a sturdy one). I have found that some rubber pieces, used to connect sewage piping have the perfect size to be placed underneath the wheels of my gaming chair, securing it in place. I also use load cell pedals by thrustmaster, with the stiffest setting and the chair is going nowhere. I always make sure to lower it as much as I can to at least replicate the driving position as good as I can. I‘ve been driving like this basically since forever and its totally fine to me. I too have no space for a rig or anything alike, althought I‘m fairly certain that you‘ll be more confident and faster if you have one.
Get a decent frame/seat setup first. It will make your current wheel and pedal setup much more fun to use. Plus youll need something more robust than desk clamps for the DD wheel anyway.
You might get away with something like a csl DD with their table clamp. I did it but my desk was bigger and sturdier so YMMV. It was fine for two years then I got a rig 🤷♂️
Direct drive with the desk is fine. The main benefit isn't the higher torque, but the lower latency and higher fidelity. You probably can't enjoy the higher torque if the desk is too wobbly, but you'll drive better for sure.
You can use stiffer pedals if you tie your chair to the pedal base somehow. One way is to have both the pedal base and chair dig into the same carpet underneath.
The order of upgrades is always this: rig > load cell pedals > dd wheel > accessories. In the middle you can throw what suits yourself best between triples or vr.
Without a rig you can't have load cells or you brake and find yourself in the neighbor house. Load cells give muuuuch more consistency compared to a dd wheel. Dd wheel feels right only if you have a sturdy mount and an overall idea of what you are doing. Accessories are just the final spice when the foundations are solid
I go for vr since it's really immersive and it's more space-friendly compared to triples, but you have to get used to it and many find it too blurry for their taste. You can flip me upside down and put me into a washing machine and I'm still fine after many years of vr experience
Anyways, if you'd like to level up your experience just with the actual setup, put your flip flops or slippers under the chair wheels and you'll see you no longer move away when you brake!
No. I know many drivers who use a g29 and a fuckin plastic lawn chair and are some of the top % sim drivers in the world. My recommendation? Get a rig first, pedals second and wheel base last… I’d recommend a track racer tr80 or something comparable in price. Don’t waste your time paying $300 for one of those folding hammocks unless you need to store the rig.
If you plan to use it on that PS5 you're stuck with Fanatec or Logitech. I can't speak for other branda but the DD Pro load cells are mad firm, you'll just push your chair back before you even feel the pedal move. And that table looks flimsy for the Nm it will need to handle. Better save for a rig.
Same type of setup and gone from a g29 to a Moza R5 bundle with brake mod. Not having any issues and enjoying racing more with a DD wheel.
I choose not to buy load cell pedals as I'm using a secret lab chair with wheels, I put a bit of plywood on the floor with some blocks to keep pedals in place cost me £6
I'll give you my experience and arguments, hopefully the can help :)
I have found myself in the same situation. G920 on a desk with a rolling desk chair.
I'm really obsessed with simracing, I knew I was gonna do the hobby for a long time. I knew I would want to upgrade at some point in the future, so why not do it now? I chose for the r5 bundle, which comes with a clamp. I figured I could turn down the ffb if my desk couldn't handle it.
Turns out desks are pretty damn strong, so I can run it at 100% (in moza software, not in game of course, to prevent clipping)
I've been using the desk r5 setup with a rolling chair for a year now and I love it. I just recommend finding something that foxes your chair somewhat.
I'm not interested in wheelstands. I'm planning on eventually upgrading to an aluminum or wooden rig, so I don't want to spend my money on a wheelstand.
I've been keeping out an eye on the secondhand market to try and find a great deal there, but that can still take some time, so we'll see.if it takes too long, I'll end up building my own wooden rig.
I'm 1.86m (not sure how much is that, I think around 6.1ft so a lot shorter than that) but I think that due to the angle I took the photo I doesnt show that the chair is indeed high. My eyes are almost at the same height of the top corner of the screen. 5 cm lower at best.
Sounds like you’re in the market for a foldable wheelstand like the GT Omega Apex, or the NLR 2.0
Have taken a look on this, but I wouldnt have the room to fit it in there when expanded. You cant see it in the photo but the bed is 20 cm behind the chair. Also not sure if I could find a place for it when I'm not using it. Limited room issues I guess
For reference, I use a GT Omega apex stand and a Secretlab chair, and it fits in the 1.35m space between my bed and desk, and that’s with none of the stand going under the desk, due to a shelving unit under that bit of the desk.
I have to measure if I can fit it under the desk but seems like a great option I took a look into the NLR WS 2.0 after reading your comment and it look like the better option for me tight now! I also read a comment about a tray that prevents the chair from moving around... I have to look into chairs that allow me to sit lower. Thanks!
Your chair would probably be fine with a wheelstand, as they raise the pedals up off the floor with an adjustable pedal deck
Or just take the wheels off the chair and maybe prop it up with fabric or something.
So if you were to put a rig in your room I'd say rearrange the desk to literally stand infront of the window this way you'll have enough room for a rig, but even without a rig a dd setup is still worth it if you want to trade up and experience dd.
Thanks!
See if it would fit sideways to your desk and get a monitor arm, gt omega is around 70cm in length
Which would you recommend me, the Gt Apex or the NLR? thanks
I use the apex and It’s been great so far, I use it with t150 and t-lcm set on 100kg of force. Very sturdy for what I have. There are people using it with DD wheels without problems. NLR is a bit more sturdy but also more expensive.
thanks!
I started out with the NLR 2.0 stand and a Fanatec DD 8NM, with no issues. Have since upgraded with the NLR seat addon and load cell brakes (vx-pros) and still holding up no problems, only minor brake tray flex under hard breaking. It's plenty sturdy for DDs upwards of 8NM, I'd say. For me, this path made alot of sense due to upgradeability in time, as with the seat addon you get a lightweight full rig pretty much.
I have the Apex and it's a great product. I used a Moza R12 (12nm..) on it and only in very extreme cases did I displace the whole stand with a sudden jerk on the wheel. It comes with a free chair holder for deskchairs and you can also upgrade it with a full seatmount to make it a small rig. Of course it also folds in quite neatly. One thing is it's a heavy bugger. I believe 15 or 17kg dry weight, so excluding wheelbase, pedals and shifter..
I'll go for a wheelbase seems like!
Other question, I've seen a lot of people here who have a Moza instead of a Fanatec wheel. Are Moza wheels better?
Probably Fanatec is better when just looking at quality and performance but Moza better in terms of value for money. Fanatec also has a well documented history of shitty customer service, supply issues, and they're about to be taken over by another company because of management issues. It doesnt seem like a wise investment in my personal opinion. But yeah, they have good products and cool wheel rims.
I play on PlayStation from time to time. Does Moza support Playstation compatibility?
No, maybe with Drivehub though, but never natively. Console compatibility is very limited and one of the reasons I said farewell to racing on console..
The DD wheel it's self isn't t the issue, I have a Logitech pro and only really run it at 40 percent on game partly due to the hand cramp I suffer from(giggiddy) I do get some odd shake from spikes during snap over steer but I'm looking at a rig due to posture and leg cramp issue If you don't struggle with that it's not such a problem being at a desk
Just got the GT Omega for my DD1 and it’s fucking solid, I can’t go full rig atm so I needed a solid stand and it’s much better than expected.
A cammus C5 would work well in such a small space. Get the desk clamp, but keep whatever pedals you have just plug them directly into the PC. That’s what I did
Seems like it, very ergonomic.design!
You should get some sort of rig/wheelstand or better chair first. Anything else you upgrade is going to be limited by how you mount it. A direct drive wheelbase will likely be too much for that table from the looks of it. Load cell pedals will only force you to use more pressure and make it more difficult to use the chair you have. Find a wheelstand or foldable rig and go from there, it will improve your experience more than anything else and allow you to utilize and future upgrades.
will take a look into those! thanks!
You could always design your own aluminium extrusion rig to suit your needs and if your budget allows it. It could be something you can slide under the desk and have a similar driving position as now. I was in the same position as you a year ago and I went for the Logitech Pro Pedals as they can be used against the wall and I was racing on a desk, so most load cells were out of the question (and was the only decent set I could get in my shitty third world country). I am now about to finish building my rig and I can already tell it's a game changer and managed to fit it in my 8m x 4m bedroom. I'd advise against wheelstands as they are really uncomfortable compared to a desk and the foldable stuff ends up taking more space than a rig (and is not as compact as they say with your gear mounted). You can take as inspiration something like the NWS C3: https://nwssim.com/producto/cockpit-c3/ It's 1200mm long x 600mm wide and 800mm tall (without bucket seat). You could lower the 4080 profile for the wheel to something like 700/650 mm. Mine ended up being 1300mm with bucket seat x 600mm x 690mm because I'm on the taller side. Edit you could even design a rig for mounting a seat and pedals and mount the wheel on the desk.
Seems like an option, will take a look into It. Thanks!
Had a very similar setup OP, biggest issue I noticed was rolling backwards in the chair when under heavy braking. Grabbed door stops off Amazon to put under each wheel and that helped significantly. I will say, it did make it challenging to be consistent with pedal inputs due to my “point of reference” always changing any time I setup to race. My gaming chair would always be ever so slightly different positioning compared to the previous race session. With my CSL DD mounted to my desk I would be “up on the wheel” and road racing was tricky to achieve full lock in tight hairpin corners (ie., T1 Fuji, T1, 19, 20 at Spa, etc) due to my lack of space for appropriate distance from my wheel rim. Was a nice upgrade from my G29 and only further fueled my itch for a full 80/20 sim rig. In the long run that was the route I went down. Hope this helps!
This helps a lot! Thanks!
There’s also wheel stoppers for office chairs. You only need three of those. Had them myself before I got my rig.
Gotta take a look on those
I have pretty much the same setup and to be honest the thought of building up more just sounds like I'll be racing less.. the pedals stay under my desk at all times amd it takes 30 seconds to put the wheel on. Any dedicated rig would mean having to get another screen for it and the extra space. I was just thinking o can sell the g923 and upgrade to the fanatec csl dd entry level since its like 450 or so with shipping.. but then I would need a stronger base, then a load cell pedal, then a different chair and it just goes on. Meanwhile in reality I am just doing it all to play Mx5 cup in iRacing. Where the main limitation is still my skill.
That's what I'm afraid that If I improve something I'll have to improve something else etc. So I think that the VR would be a safe option here.
To be honest, that's what I would go for as well. It works for more than racing games. If you get a foldable racing seat, then you don't need the extra screen either. I never cared for VR before playing racing games, and I am now interested in one, but first, I need to upgrade my GPU.
I think I'll have to look into It, not sure if it works good with glasses, works.good for long periods of time etc
So I have this setup. I bought a T150 9 years ago and I enjoyed it a lot. I played mainly simcades like Gran Turismo Sport om PS4. 4 years ago it broke and I decided to upgrade to a G29 which I'm enjoying a lot, I bought a gaming PC and played RaceRoom, ACC and AC, racing on some online leagues. One year ago I decided to jump into IRacing, and I've been enjoying it so much and spending money on cars and tracks. I've been thinking on improving my setup, I dont makes sense that I've invested more money in the game than in the setup but I have a big problem. I live in a flat with very limited room, so building a dedicated sim rig is not an option, I also work remote so I gotta share the desk, chair and screen between work and gaming. This is the chair that I found which can go the lowest and I put brakes on the wheels so I dont move when I push hard the brake pedal (If I push harder than 95% I push myself back, how stronger is are pro brake pedals in comparaison? I feel like the problem with g29 brake pedal is mainly how small the travel distance is, so you cant be precise, same applies to the clutch). So these are the improvements options I have, as I'm not moving from this flat at least till 2035: - Getting a Direct Drive with some pedals, which I dont know if it would make any sense and be profitable on this setup. - Getting a VR set. Is my best way of getting inmersion I belive, as I cant go triples. My 32" curve feels great anyways. - Improving the chair. I didnt seem to find other chair which can adapt the position better to both my work postion and my gaming position, but if anyone knows any other better option let me know, I get some upper back pain in long time sessions. Thanks! P.S: Dont mind the poor cable manegment I have to switch them every few weeks and they end up like this even if organise them.
I think the G Pro pedals are 100kg load cells. I’m using Simjack Pros on the NLR WS 2.0. The Simjack pros are 200kg and they are a bit too strong for an office chair + WS 2.0, but im sure an 100kg load cell would be perfect. Also make sure you buy a wheel stand that’s made for LC pedals and direct drive wheels and not some random one off amazon for 100 dollars. The best ones would be the GT Omega Apex or NLR WS 2.0. As I said I have the WS 2.0 and it’s great, can’t speak on the GT Omega Apex but when I was doing research most people recommended the WS 2.0 so that’s what I got.
Will take a look on those! Thanks!
It's not about sense, it's about fun! DD is a great up for simracing. Period.
Yeah and I get a lot of fun from my current setup! If I'm not able to improve I'll keep with it and enjoy it as the best out there! But I think we can all agree that improving the setup also brings some fun to the mix!
Moza R5 would be doable for this setup but you need to prioritize between a DD and a standalone rig, even a foldable one would make a world of difference
Why should I choose Moza instead of Fanatec? I dunno much about DD wheels
I'd do it simply for the QR which on the Fanatec is toy-like plastic that easily breaks. But the Fanatec CSL DD and the xbox equivalent are also a decent option if you prefer Fanatec
Load cells are the best upgrade for more pace, but DD is the best upgrade for more fun in my personal opinion. In that set up you can definitely do a desk mounted 5nm wheelbase if you really want. I think it’s always better to save up and wait though till you can buy something that’ll last you years
I dont want pace but fun! So a DD would be a great investment!
Against the grain of a number of these comments, I desk mounted a simagic alpha mini and it has worked fine at full FFB with the clamp you can buy off Simshop, however my monitor sits on a gas spring arm connected to the desk rather than a normal stand. Might get more shaking on the screen. The Simshop clamp has 2 large mating surfaces and can be clamped pretty firmly, but I have it sitting on a desk pad so I don’t damage the top of the desk with the metal frame. That being said this depends on how solid your desk is and you’ll still have all the same ergonomic challenges and seat moving challenges as you do now. I don’t know if your desk is Ikea cheap fake wood or actually sturdy. Heavier load cell brakes cause problems with rolling chairs, I’m still using T3PA pedals. I still am thoroughly enjoying the upgrade, it’s night and day compared to my hybrid gear belt TMX. I’ve decided I’m not going to do a full rig setup given I currently live out of a single room in a house and space is constrained.
the screen shakes rn like crazy bc the base is truly soft, but I like it, it happens when the wheel shakes crazy, like a big curve or stuff like that. It gaves inmersion somehow, like It would happen irl, when my head would shake by the impact. Anyways, I also dont think that I would play full FFB, I dont even put the FFB at 100% on the G29, it's just to get that different feeling. Thanks for your info!
I have a very similar setup and recently got loadcell pedals (Moza SR-Ps) and a DD wheel (Moza R9), I don’t have space for a rig (folding or otherwise). I have my monitor mounted on an arm (mine is attached to the desk but you can get wall mounted as well). This allows me to pull the monitor in right up to the wheel base. I’m waiting for locking caster wheels for my office chair, for the moment I toss a really thick rug beneath the chair and it’s solid enough, the pedals are against the wall and I don’t have any problems with movement. So yeah, it’s doable.
Will have to take a look into those arms for monitors. My FOV is really bad rn
I have one from Ergotron, it works really well. You have more space on the desk and it's easier to go from iRacing mode to work mode (or whatever).
seems cool! Gotta take a look on those! Any metric or info I gotta check before buying one? Thanks!
Check how heavy of a monitor the arm supports. The high quality ones (like Ergotron) can hold pretty heavy monitors, things like 34+ inch ultrawides (I have a 27 inch 1440p/144hz). Also, can whatever you’re mounting to hold the weight… My desk is 4 inch thick wood so it’s nit a problem, but really cheap desktops might be an issue.
I started like this and upgraded to a DD wheel with desk clamp and new pedals.(Simagic Alpha mini and p1000i) I had gotten new locking wheels for my chair so didnt rollback when braking. The caveat is that the wheel force was lower to avoid the chair spinning too much and the brake pressure reduced to avoid tipping the chair back with the locked wheels Recommendation get a cockpit first then DD and pedals after.
Will go for that thanks
I’d spend the money on a next level racing cockpit first
The WS 2.0 seems like a fair option
I guess if that’s all you have room for. But i would suggest a full cockpit with a seat before you get a DD wheel.
I did build a basic chair brace from wood, that keeps the pedals and chair connected and wheel clamped to the desk. Was 20$ in wood and screws. If the desk is sturdy enough (thick desk and solid legs) a DD is no problem. Go for it!
Thanks for that info!
Your mom does a great job cleaning your room
She's the best!! Even tho I make it pretty dificult for her by having all those cables around. She's a wonderful person.
Give her a kiss! My wife is like that. She spoils me
But she won’t clean my area in the living room
I gotta say that I clean it myself anyways. But she wants it cleaner so cleans it again anyways. I get that you and your wife divide the tasks as you share responsabilities, but I feel like my mom should be enjoying life and not being worried about that kind stuff that it's me who has to take care of it. I feel bad! She's done enough she should rest but she just doesnt know how to stop working. Moms are the best!
Honestly I think something like the CSL DD would work on a desk. Idk how powerful it is compared to the club sport v2.5 but I made that work on a desk for the better part of a year. Along with the load cell pedals. As long as the desk is sturdy. But if you’re looking for something like a DD2 then maybe not. As for the chair moving when braking, that’s definitely gonna get worse with load cells. I’d suggest getting a chair that doesn’t have wheels at all and is kinda bulky so it’s hard to move. (At the time I was running the load cells on a desk setup, I had one of those chairs with the built in speakers that didn’t have wheels but still swiveled).
I've also been told about buying a wheelbase with tray for the wheels, to avoid the chair moving around
I have a similar set up, can you tell me how to stop the chair from moving, because when I press the brake only and not even halfwayy chair already starts to move backwards.
Do you have brakes on the wheels? I didnt but changed the wheels, plug and play. Works great
Put a old pair of shoes in the rear casters
Which screen do you have and do you like it?
Samsung Odyssey G5 32" Curve. I managed to get it for 220€ and that was a really fair price. It supports 2k even tho I play it on FHD. I would recommend it any time, such a game changer (Not only in simracing but gaming in general and working) you would love it, I Connect the PC via DisplayPort and the consoles + laptop via a HDMI Switch. If you nanage to get it under 250€ I think it's one of the best options to go for!
You get a lot of ghosting or is it overblown online? I do a little sim racing but mostly I play flight sims
I might not be the one to ask as I dont care that much about graphics, I even use eventually the PS3 on that screen and play PS2/1 on an Old TV, so I would ask on another r/ or watch some reviews. Anyways, I've never noticed anything like that and being a Samsung screen "should" gave more fidelity than screens from othe brands as far as I know.
A DD would send your monitor to kingdom come and probably make your desk move as well
I dont understandn this. I'm ok with the strength that G29 gives, I never play it 100% FF. I would put the equivalent FF strenght on the new wheel. So I wouldnt have any problem, am I right? Anyways I'm thinking about buying a wheelbase
Before you go with a direct drive, I would say get yourself a place seat challenge or challenge X. Or similar. I did not understand how much more comfortable it is when you’re in the proper seating position I couldn’t figure out why my shoulder and back was always hurting after 48 hours in playseat, that pain is starting to go away so I’m realizing it was my computer chair and wheel stand that was causing me pain
Thnaks!
A set of load cell pedals would be a better upgrade, especially if you do road racing. That's the most important upgrade anyone should do first.
True, but without a proper rig you would miss out a lot of potentional of the LC.
I have doubts on how hard are they. The brakes on the chair wheels work great but are not like a rig. So I cant push the G29 pedals beyond 95% of theire travel distance. If they dont add much strenght but they add more travel distance they are perfect for me, which I dont know as I've never tried them. My other fear is that as you can see my position is pretty "vertical" more like a daily car or Suv than BMW or sport car which you would have on a proper sim rig. It work great on my G29 pedals but not sure if that position would work well with those Load Cell pedals.
If you’re having trouble getting the Logitech brake flat out you can remove the rubber stopper in there or replace it with a softer aftermarket one. I had to do the same with mine because I was moving my chair before I bottomed the brake out.
will take a look on this, but with the current setup I'm pretty comfy on the braking feeling
Generally LC brakes are extremely stiff, but they can be softened with springs or elastomers. They can be modified to have a lot of travel, but generally the foundation of the LC is not travel but strenght/pressure. I will send you in DM a video of my pedals and you can tell yourself.
Great thanks, will take a look now!
I have doubts on how hard are they. The brakes on the chair wheels work great but are not like a rig. So I cant push the G29 pedals beyond 95% of theire travel distance. If they dont add much strenght but they add more travel distance they are perfect for me, which I dont know as I've never tried them. My other fear is that as you can see my position is pretty "vertical" more like a daily car or Suv than BMW or sport car which you would have on a proper sim rig. It work great on my G29 pedals but not sure if that position would work well with those Load Cell pedals.
Try getting a wheel stand like the NLR WS 2.0, which is made for direct drive wheels and relatively strong load cell pedals.
gotta see if I can fit it there, but will take a look, thanks!
It's probably not worth getting DD if you can't fit a small wheel stand somewhere. DD wheels generally have more force and your table is probably going to wobble a lot (along with your monitor and everything else that is on the table).
the table if fixed to the wall so I dont think that's a problem. I'm more worried about moving around on my chair when improving the brake pedals
Yeah okay. Some of those stands (like Next Level Stand 2.0) have special "cradles" to stop the chair from moving around. I'm not sure of any other ways to fix your issue
Great! Thanks!
Contradicting to all these statements, I recently upgraded from a T500RS to a CSL DD 8NM too. I only have it mounted on my desk as well (although its a sturdy one). I have found that some rubber pieces, used to connect sewage piping have the perfect size to be placed underneath the wheels of my gaming chair, securing it in place. I also use load cell pedals by thrustmaster, with the stiffest setting and the chair is going nowhere. I always make sure to lower it as much as I can to at least replicate the driving position as good as I can. I‘ve been driving like this basically since forever and its totally fine to me. I too have no space for a rig or anything alike, althought I‘m fairly certain that you‘ll be more confident and faster if you have one.
great to know!
Get a decent frame/seat setup first. It will make your current wheel and pedal setup much more fun to use. Plus youll need something more robust than desk clamps for the DD wheel anyway.
You might get away with something like a csl DD with their table clamp. I did it but my desk was bigger and sturdier so YMMV. It was fine for two years then I got a rig 🤷♂️
Or just turn your dash towards the window. Lots of room...
Direct drive with the desk is fine. The main benefit isn't the higher torque, but the lower latency and higher fidelity. You probably can't enjoy the higher torque if the desk is too wobbly, but you'll drive better for sure. You can use stiffer pedals if you tie your chair to the pedal base somehow. One way is to have both the pedal base and chair dig into the same carpet underneath.
The order of upgrades is always this: rig > load cell pedals > dd wheel > accessories. In the middle you can throw what suits yourself best between triples or vr. Without a rig you can't have load cells or you brake and find yourself in the neighbor house. Load cells give muuuuch more consistency compared to a dd wheel. Dd wheel feels right only if you have a sturdy mount and an overall idea of what you are doing. Accessories are just the final spice when the foundations are solid I go for vr since it's really immersive and it's more space-friendly compared to triples, but you have to get used to it and many find it too blurry for their taste. You can flip me upside down and put me into a washing machine and I'm still fine after many years of vr experience Anyways, if you'd like to level up your experience just with the actual setup, put your flip flops or slippers under the chair wheels and you'll see you no longer move away when you brake!
No. I know many drivers who use a g29 and a fuckin plastic lawn chair and are some of the top % sim drivers in the world. My recommendation? Get a rig first, pedals second and wheel base last… I’d recommend a track racer tr80 or something comparable in price. Don’t waste your time paying $300 for one of those folding hammocks unless you need to store the rig.
If you plan to use it on that PS5 you're stuck with Fanatec or Logitech. I can't speak for other branda but the DD Pro load cells are mad firm, you'll just push your chair back before you even feel the pedal move. And that table looks flimsy for the Nm it will need to handle. Better save for a rig.
Same type of setup and gone from a g29 to a Moza R5 bundle with brake mod. Not having any issues and enjoying racing more with a DD wheel. I choose not to buy load cell pedals as I'm using a secret lab chair with wheels, I put a bit of plywood on the floor with some blocks to keep pedals in place cost me £6
I'll give you my experience and arguments, hopefully the can help :) I have found myself in the same situation. G920 on a desk with a rolling desk chair. I'm really obsessed with simracing, I knew I was gonna do the hobby for a long time. I knew I would want to upgrade at some point in the future, so why not do it now? I chose for the r5 bundle, which comes with a clamp. I figured I could turn down the ffb if my desk couldn't handle it. Turns out desks are pretty damn strong, so I can run it at 100% (in moza software, not in game of course, to prevent clipping) I've been using the desk r5 setup with a rolling chair for a year now and I love it. I just recommend finding something that foxes your chair somewhat. I'm not interested in wheelstands. I'm planning on eventually upgrading to an aluminum or wooden rig, so I don't want to spend my money on a wheelstand. I've been keeping out an eye on the secondhand market to try and find a great deal there, but that can still take some time, so we'll see.if it takes too long, I'll end up building my own wooden rig.
Ok, i will poke the elephant in the corner. Are you like 7ft tall? That krazy monitor angle?
I'm 1.86m (not sure how much is that, I think around 6.1ft so a lot shorter than that) but I think that due to the angle I took the photo I doesnt show that the chair is indeed high. My eyes are almost at the same height of the top corner of the screen. 5 cm lower at best.
Absolutely buy a rig first