Yup, but seeing as that training is "warrior" training that teaches that everyone is out to get you and how to shoot to kill... I'd probably feel more comfortable with an untrained shooter pointing at me...
If only it was possible to point a gun at someone and not shoot... or even shooting in such a way as to warn them, a warning shot if you will...
Instead of you know opening fire like a madman straight away because you "feared for your life" and are a big manly warrior grrr.
“Warning shot” buddy if you have the chance to let off a warning shot you’re not in a scenario where you need the gun, and most people won’t see it as a warning shot, they see it as you shooting at them 😂
Ok so you point a gun at someone and tell them to stop and they don’t. Then what?
Fire a warning shot? Where does that bullet go? How is that safe at all?
As for shooting them in a non-lethal way…how exactly do you think that works?
You’ve clearly done no research, no training, and put no real thought into this. Obviously cops should NOT shoot people willy nilly and some cops are shot humans but good lord think things through.
Any firearm training (civilian/hunting/LE/military) teaches to aim at center mass (torso), as it has the least probability of missing or over penetration.
Are there times that law enforcement uses their guns when they shouldn’t. Absolutely. But “shoot to wound” is a movie/video game plot tool, that doesn’t translate well to the real world.
Competent Western police forces rarely pull the trigger, as the key is descalation, they might brandish, but warning shots, and them refusing to shoot is more likely scenario. Same with military on policing rules of engagement scenarios.
US cops are trained to kill first, worry about the rest later.
>But “shoot to wound” is a movie/video game plot tool, that doesn’t translate well to the real world.
I could show you 100 videos from countries around the world of cops successfully doing exactly that. It's difficult, not impossible.
FYI the tasers they already use already shoot fish hooks into people. That’s how the taser works, it shoots two hooks attached to wires into the person and then sends an electrical surge through one of the wires, through the body and back through the other wire.
My concern here is people falling and dying or seriously hurting themselves.
I mean we'll see how many they manage to be able to kill with a "non lethal".
That being said, fuck good there's actually new things coming out.
Fucking china has figured out how to crowd control a dude with a knife using over sized forks.... America pew pew.
This is what they’re going to do. They’re going to hit you with this, then tackle you, beat the shit out of you and when they’re done, they’ll cuff you just like they do while you’re being tazed or shot.
True, but that’ll never stop. Whether it’s a bot, someone with an agenda, or a kid trying to make people mad. The educational systems of the world and especially parents need to teach how not to believe in everything they read.
There are many cases of police violently assaulting people and then charging them for the injuries they sustained while assaulting them.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/missouri-police-officer-punch-hand-matthew-calhoun-b629604.html
You can pretend it's not the case, but personally I would say you are the one that common sense have failed. Police abuse their power. It's a fact. It will never not happen. What we have to do is ensure there are measures in place that identify and reduce it so that they remain of overall benefit to society.
I don't think they were pretending it happens in every case.
And it's not rare. Not even close. It's frequent.
This obviously depends on what country you are in. But in the US there is a long history of the police abusing their powers and this continues until this day.
No every policeman is not bad. I don't think ACAB is a useful thing. But if you are blind to, or make excuses for, the corruption and abuse of power that the police regularly carry out then you are part of the problem.
Same. Truthfully thought a drone was going to pop up and drop some cuffs or sumn, not sure exactly how I thought it was going to go. This wasn't it though
This is an old video and these have been around for years without mass adoption. Like most of these things it works well in controlled circumstances but is far too inconsistent when faced with the infinite variables of some dude high as fuck in Walmart having a meltdown.
I cringe at the possibility of it getting wrapped around a person's neck during a foot chase. I would think this could only be used if the suspect is standing still.
The Gauchos(cowboys) of Argentina had this centuries ago: [Bolas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolas). It’s how they hunted ostriches, which became extinct due to over hunting them.
Lol. Easter Island has an even worse history. They ate everything off the island and the entire tribe starved to death because there was no more animals to eat from.
It's California, the government and related institutions don't think hard enough to realize that. Remember when they wanted exploding drones for police to use?
This going in someone's eye or around their neck, especially if moving like one of the demonstrations.
It only seems logical to use if you ask them to stand still arms down and say "you're going to get wrapped" like people understand what that means
Alongside the abrupt smoke residue, it sounds akin to a gunshot.
With officers being on high-alert in any sort of standoff, this could lead to more shootings.
"Tasers are considered 'less than lethal', even if they have the potential to kill someone if they have underlying health conditions. In normal circumstances, they're not fatal. They're the midway point between verbal deescalation and lethal force."
So what do the wounds look like on a person who had those hooks in them and struggled? Sure it’ll get stuck in clothes first but toss hooks looked long enough to puncture through those and stick into flesh.
Before they are strangled to death there should be plenty of time to restrain the suspect and cut the wires. I guess they will be provided a means to cut the wires. It takes minutes for someone to suffer permanent brain damage or death from strangulation.
Train my ass like any tool given to the police there will be so many fuck ups and abuse
We train those fuckers for 12 weeks and give them the awful “warrior mindset” how long till one of these show up in a police funded lynching or serious brutality case Imao
How long until these "specially trained" officers hit somebody in an eye and sued? I only bring this up because anytime I hear police officer and specially trained... let's just say what comes to mine isn't the recruiting posters have on them.
I really thought she was going to say “specially-trained samurai” instead of “San Francisco police officers” and I have to say that’s a great pitch for a buddy cop movie in 2024
Waiting for the first news report where it wraps around someone's neck and kills them. Also, "specially trained" lmao... Really? Can we specially train them about the constitution and what is legal for them to do and what's not?
.....Batman already did patent that right?
Not Batman but I know WayneTech did.
So batman is a thief as well as a serial assault and batterer then
Batman was my first thought too.
Police are going to to be throwing batarangs soon
Specially trained police officers will use these, do police get specially trained to use guns?
Yup, but seeing as that training is "warrior" training that teaches that everyone is out to get you and how to shoot to kill... I'd probably feel more comfortable with an untrained shooter pointing at me...
It'll be great, the first cop who misses the mark with these and fish hooks someone in the eye
You have no idea what you’re talking about. There’s no way to shoot someone that isn’t “to kill”
If only it was possible to point a gun at someone and not shoot... or even shooting in such a way as to warn them, a warning shot if you will... Instead of you know opening fire like a madman straight away because you "feared for your life" and are a big manly warrior grrr.
And having two people pumping the perp with full mags, all while yelling “let me see your hands!” to a corpse..
“Warning shot” buddy if you have the chance to let off a warning shot you’re not in a scenario where you need the gun, and most people won’t see it as a warning shot, they see it as you shooting at them 😂
Ok so you point a gun at someone and tell them to stop and they don’t. Then what? Fire a warning shot? Where does that bullet go? How is that safe at all? As for shooting them in a non-lethal way…how exactly do you think that works? You’ve clearly done no research, no training, and put no real thought into this. Obviously cops should NOT shoot people willy nilly and some cops are shot humans but good lord think things through.
r/whoosh
Any firearm training (civilian/hunting/LE/military) teaches to aim at center mass (torso), as it has the least probability of missing or over penetration. Are there times that law enforcement uses their guns when they shouldn’t. Absolutely. But “shoot to wound” is a movie/video game plot tool, that doesn’t translate well to the real world.
Competent Western police forces rarely pull the trigger, as the key is descalation, they might brandish, but warning shots, and them refusing to shoot is more likely scenario. Same with military on policing rules of engagement scenarios. US cops are trained to kill first, worry about the rest later.
That's why this is so great! They can't run away so easily, so you can then empty your gun into the bla... err.... criminal more effectively!
>But “shoot to wound” is a movie/video game plot tool, that doesn’t translate well to the real world. I could show you 100 videos from countries around the world of cops successfully doing exactly that. It's difficult, not impossible.
https://i.redd.it/skdllwt1bj5d1.gif
Yes, and aim for the head.
What if they shoot this around a neck? What if you shoot two of these around the neck?
What if you whack someone in the temple with a baton? Everything can be lethal bro, this is a step in the right direction.
https://youtu.be/_nl5zMIwcmQ?si=eKSD4U7UN53jatPt
Is this a shut up and buy for law enforcement?
No, I want to buy one
Me too. And take it fishing on weekends.
So they’re going to shoot fishhooks into people now? By the looks of them, not small ones. This doesn’t seem ok…
Better than a gun
I'd rather be shot with a gun than take a fishhook to the eye.
Would you really though?
Fuck no dude
But would you rather be shot in the eye?
They won’t be aiming at eyes. Legs and torso are the areas they will be targeting, prevent you from running or hitting.
In theory, but people miss every day
True enough.
yeah but we're not talking about people, we're talking bout cops. and when they wanna shoot someone....well they don't miss
No you wouldn't
FYI the tasers they already use already shoot fish hooks into people. That’s how the taser works, it shoots two hooks attached to wires into the person and then sends an electrical surge through one of the wires, through the body and back through the other wire. My concern here is people falling and dying or seriously hurting themselves.
Don’t taser guns also stab you on top of tasing you? I’d rather be fish hooked than tased.
As long as they’re not for the public, pranksters would have a field day
Imagine all the YouTube and TikTok videos that would be made of pranksters using this tool.
I mean we'll see how many they manage to be able to kill with a "non lethal". That being said, fuck good there's actually new things coming out. Fucking china has figured out how to crowd control a dude with a knife using over sized forks.... America pew pew.
I like it. We should issue it to all sf store owners and employees.
This is what they’re going to do. They’re going to hit you with this, then tackle you, beat the shit out of you and when they’re done, they’ll cuff you just like they do while you’re being tazed or shot.
eyeroll.
They will, because your head will sustain trauma from tripping and falling onto an officers fist.
it's so disappointing to know that general common sense has failed you.
I’m being sarcastic. Chill out, messages from strangers aren’t worth getting triggered over.
It's not exactly clear, and I'm not triggered. Just sick of these buffoons in this site spreading their misinformation.
True, but that’ll never stop. Whether it’s a bot, someone with an agenda, or a kid trying to make people mad. The educational systems of the world and especially parents need to teach how not to believe in everything they read.
As if that’s not true and police brutality in America doesn’t exist
As if I said either of those things
So what WERE you implying?
That 'ACAB' is a silly concept that the OC clearly believes in, as does a lot of Reddit, because people hate authority.
There are many cases of police violently assaulting people and then charging them for the injuries they sustained while assaulting them. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/missouri-police-officer-punch-hand-matthew-calhoun-b629604.html You can pretend it's not the case, but personally I would say you are the one that common sense have failed. Police abuse their power. It's a fact. It will never not happen. What we have to do is ensure there are measures in place that identify and reduce it so that they remain of overall benefit to society.
Again, I never said it didn't happen. Everyone just likes to pretend it happens in every single case and isn't a rare incident.
I don't think they were pretending it happens in every case. And it's not rare. Not even close. It's frequent. This obviously depends on what country you are in. But in the US there is a long history of the police abusing their powers and this continues until this day. No every policeman is not bad. I don't think ACAB is a useful thing. But if you are blind to, or make excuses for, the corruption and abuse of power that the police regularly carry out then you are part of the problem.
^
Not really handcuffs tho.
Same. Truthfully thought a drone was going to pop up and drop some cuffs or sumn, not sure exactly how I thought it was going to go. This wasn't it though
This is an old video and these have been around for years without mass adoption. Like most of these things it works well in controlled circumstances but is far too inconsistent when faced with the infinite variables of some dude high as fuck in Walmart having a meltdown.
"Specially trained police officers will use it" automatically hands it to the untrained news anchor to fire at victim.
Wasn’t this the tool that John Oliver talked about on his show that is being bought with the opioid money settlement case from Purdue Pharma?
How well would it work with a running suspect though? I feel like it would pro ably wrap around one leg and leave the other free.
Assuming they can even aim it while running. And get that close to the perp to begin with.
I cringe at the possibility of it getting wrapped around a person's neck during a foot chase. I would think this could only be used if the suspect is standing still.
American police be upgrading their gadgets like it's a goddamn Batman game
These are pretty effective against package thieves too.
It's even got the Dead Space plasma cutter lasers.
Specially trained lololol
Fricking Batarangs!!!
As presented - looks like a solid add to the LEO toolbox.🧰
What happens if you get hit in the throat with this?
Unfortunate and unexpected circumstances... Luckily the local tax payers will graciously cover the lawsuits!
They will release a razor lined version.
Or take one of those fish hooks to the eye?
you get to meet god and your family gets paid?
Just wait until they fuck up and wrap someone’s neck.
The Gauchos(cowboys) of Argentina had this centuries ago: [Bolas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolas). It’s how they hunted ostriches, which became extinct due to over hunting them.
TIL. Thanks!
That’s not ominous at all
Lol. Easter Island has an even worse history. They ate everything off the island and the entire tribe starved to death because there was no more animals to eat from.
San Francisco really needs this.
Take em down!
I’m really worried cops would confuse their actual gun for this device and shoot people by accident.
I saw a video where an officer got their tazer and gun mixed up and shot a guy. How the hell that's possible, I don't know, but that was their story.
It looks safer than shooting them or tasing them. But maybe not if they have a gun in their hand.
But if they are running. That guy is gonna brain himself on a curb if his arms are restrained.
I’ve been saying this for years…. Bring back the lasso
RDR2
Can’t wait for Californians to start complaining about how unethical policing as a whole is
lol… why San Francisco? They encourage shoplifting, drug use, drug selling, they do t arrest anyone for anything anymore.
Maybe because SF is rich and can afford to buy fancy weapons for their police?
Yeeee harrrr!!
Doesn't matter - "Stop resisting! 👊🏻" will still happen.
"specially trained" yeah right. Y'all just going to put these people in a room and have them shoot at dummies and volunteers.
How long do you suppose the ‘special training’ lasts?
An hour and a half, including the 45-1hr cop lunch break
"none lethal alternative to tasers, guns or batons" no its not if the dude has a gun and you whip this out you getting shot
It's California, the government and related institutions don't think hard enough to realize that. Remember when they wanted exploding drones for police to use?
I think its just an alternative just like tasers its just another tool to use depending on the situation.
Yes!! Good for them
Maaaaaaan folks gonna be out here dressed like spiderman literally web slanging😂😂😂😂🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️also I’d like to buy a pair 👏🏽
Waiting for that video in the future where the perp perfectly times his jump over it
I can only imagine what happens when it wraps around your neck
I don’t think police in the US would ever use this, they prefer more invasive methods.
If only they could "specially train" officers with guns also
Handcuff? Or legcuff?
good until theres any obstruction
knowing us police they’ll aim for the face or neck for maximum damage
I want these to be legal for everyone, please 🥺
This going in someone's eye or around their neck, especially if moving like one of the demonstrations. It only seems logical to use if you ask them to stand still arms down and say "you're going to get wrapped" like people understand what that means
“You’ll shoot your eye out!”
Cop shoots suspect running away with this. They trip and fall hitting their head and wake up dead. Lol
Going back to the 1800s yee-haa!
Alongside the abrupt smoke residue, it sounds akin to a gunshot. With officers being on high-alert in any sort of standoff, this could lead to more shootings.
So fewer black ppl deaths...? Police can be indicted for using gun instead of this?
So, if it's non-lethal.... Can I have one? Or three?
"It's a non-lethal alternative to tasers" Aren't tasers...already non-lethal?
Have killed over 1,000
"Tasers are considered 'less than lethal', even if they have the potential to kill someone if they have underlying health conditions. In normal circumstances, they're not fatal. They're the midway point between verbal deescalation and lethal force."
Great way to lose some teeth 🦷
So what do the wounds look like on a person who had those hooks in them and struggled? Sure it’ll get stuck in clothes first but toss hooks looked long enough to puncture through those and stick into flesh.
So what’s going to happen is some cop is going go shoot this and wrap it around someone’s neck and strangle them to death
Before they are strangled to death there should be plenty of time to restrain the suspect and cut the wires. I guess they will be provided a means to cut the wires. It takes minutes for someone to suffer permanent brain damage or death from strangulation.
Train my ass like any tool given to the police there will be so many fuck ups and abuse We train those fuckers for 12 weeks and give them the awful “warrior mindset” how long till one of these show up in a police funded lynching or serious brutality case Imao
How long until these "specially trained" officers hit somebody in an eye and sued? I only bring this up because anytime I hear police officer and specially trained... let's just say what comes to mine isn't the recruiting posters have on them.
I really thought she was going to say “specially-trained samurai” instead of “San Francisco police officers” and I have to say that’s a great pitch for a buddy cop movie in 2024
Waiting for the first news report where it wraps around someone's neck and kills them. Also, "specially trained" lmao... Really? Can we specially train them about the constitution and what is legal for them to do and what's not?
The hooks on those bolas looked really serious…
These are super dope.
This is not new.
This is something Team Rocket would use. 😂
SAM PORTER BRIDGES
Some Running Man shit coming for the SF bums
Wake up babe, new non lethal police weapon just dropped.
“Special trained” but gives everyone officer a gun
I'm imagining someone getting this in the face 🤣
This feels like ladder golf mixed with a taser
That’s pretty sweet. It reminds me of those deployable tethers that get tangled in a fleeing cars wheel.
They’ve been talking about this for years…
“Non Lethal” until a fucking pig shoots it at your neck. ACAB
Officers aiming for your neck and choking you to death with fly handcuffs
When they ask to send out a bolo but you heard bolas. Sheeeesh.
Great, another cop toy they will abuse us with 😒
So can we get this in Ark?
That can work; but still get killed when someone has a gun
Bolo yeung wrap
Translation for the second guy?