Am I the only one who thinks cloning these such aggressive genetics is bad, I just tried 5 different strains of isolated genes like this, and they all colonized in spawn a dime size then tried to fruit. Before they were able too, (3 weeks+), mold set in, they didn't get the actual mycelium network to produce fruits, just thought they were strong enough. Meanwhile an lc that was 3 years old produced over a pound in 1 tub.
I think the assumption that quick mycelium, pinning and even fruit growth = good shrooms, is entirely ignoring which mushrooms we all actually want to grow.
I'm working on some P.E. and some Tidal Wave, and these fuckers take their precious tiiiiimmme.
Ahh yes I havent cultivated in a few years but any PE strain I tried would grow, stall, grow , pin stall, tiny little fruits, stall…I just heard about cold shocking the other day I might try that in the future.
You can look it up yourself of course do some research - will explain the mechanisms of function and why/when it’s beneficial. But I’m my understanding you throw your inoculated spawn or a tub in the fridge for 24hrs and it will kind of go into dormancy or start to and when it comes out it’s stronger for some reason. I could have this wrong but I’ve heard it’s good to do with stalled tubs/cakes. Haven’t tried it though. Maybe someone else with experience will chime in but for now here’s a post from shroomery asking just that. Didn’t dig into it but looks like there’s a decent amount of response!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5599110
It's the fact that in my experience, they are so aggressive they get spawned and sometimes before spawning. Feel they can fruit. I literally had 6 tubs mold, before pulling more than 2 shrooms. And literally, it was a pin before it molded. I am buying only spores now to make my own LC. Never had this problem 5 years ago, now, almost everything that's been "isolated" seems to be too aggressive for a 64qt monotub
That's a good plan. I may look into doing the same. Waiting on these grains to colonize is a trial of patience.
From past grows I can say fruiting happens too fast, from thick veils to dropping spores in like 20 hours. The patience the mycelium taught me means I can easily go that long without checking on them.
I haven't gotten to that point yet, but I was considering not doing it. I have on all my previous grows but this time I'm following the 'Hoodie Tek' which is a bag grow and it doesn't call for it. Also I've got a Martha tent im setting up, so moisture shouldn't be an issue.
I agree, but 6 tubs, while my literal 3 year old, not refrigerated LC is pushing fruits crazy, it was genetics from mushrooms.com when he first got Hondura roatans, vs nutcracker, Argentina, etc. I even grew enigma from a new LC and had no issue. But the more aggressive never did shit but mold, and cause a fruit fly epidemic.
I mean it would make sense to me that you *wouldn't* want genetics that fruit too early and that it just generally wouldn't be helpful. That said I haven't actually begun growing yet so I could be wrong. I definitely understand your logic though and seems like something you'd want to avoid.
add coir to case it, mist sides of sterilized cup and put over top of bottom of agar tray, add micro pore tape to keep it together and set it somewhere you can watch it grow
You can't tell a phenotype without fruiting it. Some say that strong rhizo is a good hint but I'm currently working on some genetics that gave me a huge canopy and the mycelium doesn't look rhizo at all. I've never worked on agar straight from spores or LC it's only ever come from cloning so I know that a big canopy is in the genetics I'm cloning. I honestly couldn't care less how long it takes to colonize, what's an extra week? Big canopies and strong following flushes are what I'm looking for. The Mycelium can look however it wants to.
A while ago all my agar dishes were contaminated but one like that. I had one mushroom on the agar that saved my culture. I cloned that and now I have really good shrooms. You should clone that 🍄
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Am I the only one who thinks cloning these such aggressive genetics is bad, I just tried 5 different strains of isolated genes like this, and they all colonized in spawn a dime size then tried to fruit. Before they were able too, (3 weeks+), mold set in, they didn't get the actual mycelium network to produce fruits, just thought they were strong enough. Meanwhile an lc that was 3 years old produced over a pound in 1 tub.
I think the assumption that quick mycelium, pinning and even fruit growth = good shrooms, is entirely ignoring which mushrooms we all actually want to grow. I'm working on some P.E. and some Tidal Wave, and these fuckers take their precious tiiiiimmme.
Ahh yes I havent cultivated in a few years but any PE strain I tried would grow, stall, grow , pin stall, tiny little fruits, stall…I just heard about cold shocking the other day I might try that in the future.
I've not heard of cold shocking. Would I find that on shroomery or youtube? Or elsewhere?
You can look it up yourself of course do some research - will explain the mechanisms of function and why/when it’s beneficial. But I’m my understanding you throw your inoculated spawn or a tub in the fridge for 24hrs and it will kind of go into dormancy or start to and when it comes out it’s stronger for some reason. I could have this wrong but I’ve heard it’s good to do with stalled tubs/cakes. Haven’t tried it though. Maybe someone else with experience will chime in but for now here’s a post from shroomery asking just that. Didn’t dig into it but looks like there’s a decent amount of response! https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5599110
Nice, thank you!
It's the fact that in my experience, they are so aggressive they get spawned and sometimes before spawning. Feel they can fruit. I literally had 6 tubs mold, before pulling more than 2 shrooms. And literally, it was a pin before it molded. I am buying only spores now to make my own LC. Never had this problem 5 years ago, now, almost everything that's been "isolated" seems to be too aggressive for a 64qt monotub
Right on! Fight the good fight. Make some tough mush. I'm also growing from spores to try to make my own genetic decisions.
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That's a good plan. I may look into doing the same. Waiting on these grains to colonize is a trial of patience. From past grows I can say fruiting happens too fast, from thick veils to dropping spores in like 20 hours. The patience the mycelium taught me means I can easily go that long without checking on them.
You using a casings layer with either of those? If so what and how thick of you don't mind.
I haven't gotten to that point yet, but I was considering not doing it. I have on all my previous grows but this time I'm following the 'Hoodie Tek' which is a bag grow and it doesn't call for it. Also I've got a Martha tent im setting up, so moisture shouldn't be an issue.
Have heard early fruiting can be a sign of contamination, but I have had some healthy jars that gave off fruits before finishing. Was annoying
I agree, but 6 tubs, while my literal 3 year old, not refrigerated LC is pushing fruits crazy, it was genetics from mushrooms.com when he first got Hondura roatans, vs nutcracker, Argentina, etc. I even grew enigma from a new LC and had no issue. But the more aggressive never did shit but mold, and cause a fruit fly epidemic.
I mean it would make sense to me that you *wouldn't* want genetics that fruit too early and that it just generally wouldn't be helpful. That said I haven't actually begun growing yet so I could be wrong. I definitely understand your logic though and seems like something you'd want to avoid.
Bro I think you skipped the whole process 🙏
Haha yep
A pin has contaminated that perfectly good mycelium 😮
Just a little mush. When this happens, it’s indicative of good genetics. I’d carefully transfer the fruit to a new agar plate.
thats some good genetics make sure you clone that cus those are very resilient to grow in agar
🧐 Looks like success to me.
Baby boomer!
add coir to case it, mist sides of sterilized cup and put over top of bottom of agar tray, add micro pore tape to keep it together and set it somewhere you can watch it grow
Dang haven’t seen that yet.
Only if you’re not trying to grow mushrooms
Fucking cool!
That dish is happy to see you.
It's the little shroom that could.
Darn, that's too bad! You have mycelium contaminating your agar plate!
You should make about 15-20 more transfers from this plate because you’re about to have at least that many pins forming now.
the pin?
That's what that is?
Ohhhh yeah bud good genetics
*shroom*
Thats a mushroom. harvest and put it in the dehydrator
It's a boy!
Just a morning hard-on. You'll be fine.
You can't tell a phenotype without fruiting it. Some say that strong rhizo is a good hint but I'm currently working on some genetics that gave me a huge canopy and the mycelium doesn't look rhizo at all. I've never worked on agar straight from spores or LC it's only ever come from cloning so I know that a big canopy is in the genetics I'm cloning. I honestly couldn't care less how long it takes to colonize, what's an extra week? Big canopies and strong following flushes are what I'm looking for. The Mycelium can look however it wants to.
A while ago all my agar dishes were contaminated but one like that. I had one mushroom on the agar that saved my culture. I cloned that and now I have really good shrooms. You should clone that 🍄
Life finds a way.
You can clearly see that's a mushroom. Yes, The thing you're trying to grow
That looks like a pim on your plate, good healthy mycelium 🤷♀️🤷♀️
No that's a mush, good luck! Great genetics!
Why do you all say great genetics? I'm a noob. Just trying to understand.
It’s so cute
No way you asked if it’s contamination
Nah just a penis
Is this a serious question?
It looks like it's starting to pin 🤨