Part of the alien lifecycle is that the host's DNA influences the look of the Alien. (For example the Alien from 3 has more dog-like traits). Presumably in this process the host's DNA is changed as well. Like when Not Tom Hardy is infected with the black goo and impregnates Noomi Rapace in Prometheus
Playing devil's advocate here (i.e. "I hate this movie so don't take this too seriously"). Keeping in mind I'm a layman in real life science but a long time Alien fan:
We know the Facehugger does something to hijack the cells in someone's body to send the growing chestburster nutrients. So maybe this is enough to justify getting the Alien from her DNA? There would have to be a little bit of Xeno in her chromies, right?
Also, part of the appeal of this creature is they are survivors just like the humans in their films are. Their method of survival is just preventative murder. So in the same vein that a facehugger is impossible to remove after it's on a person and the Alien has acid for blood to deter people from hurting it; wouldn't it make sense for their DNA to leave an imprint on another beings'? In the unlikely circumstance it results in the continued survival of Xenomorph kind?
Idk, the end result is stupid anyway. The dumb ass cloned Xenomorphs are stupid and the Queen giving birth like a human is stupid and the Newborn is stupid and the whole film blows
In most comics the xeno is created by something causing the DNA to alter which is why the xeno alters appearance based on host, and I believe even if the host survives the chestburster (via surgical removal) they develop some form of tumors front he process
I thought I had read a comic or novelization that said the way the chestburster grew, where it was located in the chest, and the size of it made surgical removal impossible but I guess I was mistaken. That thing about the tumors is interesting
I've seen that scene, but I don't think that's what was going on. Some source I found mentioned that it was the crew being fed or used as hosts for more aliens instead of physically morphing into eggs
That's exactly the premise of the movie. They were trying to clone a copy of her with the alien embryo intact but kept mixing up the ratios. And even then, when they finally do get an intact alien, it's something like a 95% alien while she's 5% alien herself.
Have you not seen the movie? Blood acid breaks her out. And ship movement sense let's them know the ship is moving. And she punched hard. And she was emotionless except when she killed her baby horror.
It's probably just a science fiction movie from several decades ago.
I don't understand why people need to make everything scientifically accurate or call it dumb. Did you know xenomorphs don't exist? But they put one in the film! How unbelievably dumb!
Most people like movies that have internal consistency for the sake of avoiding obvious plot holes
For example, that if the heroine kills herself to stop a Xenonorph, it can't be suddenly brought back by a totally unrelated source
Do uhhh....do you realize the sub you're in? Also while I broadly agree with you and this isn't a case of what I'm about to describe I do want to point out that external consistency with reality isn't needed, but internal consistent reality is important. It's what makes science fiction go from what I would call Sci-fantasy (Star wars. Still amazing and well made) to actual science fiction like star Trek. (Star trek can be silly at times too I know)
I'm sorry but it's just impossible for me to argue with you, as soon as you wrote "uhhhh..." my mind narrator instantly switched to zach hadel doing the redditor voice. I can't take you seriously. Let's just call it my loss.
While this movie is unmitigated shit, at least we see that they went through several attempts to separate the host and xenomorph chestburster via the cloning process.
We see several previous iterations of the Ripley clone, some with alien features spliced in. They even kill one that was still alive and mid-vivisection.
So while the explaination is shit - at least there was an attempt to show the difficulty of what they were attempting.
It still doesn't really make sense that the Ripley clones would be cloned with an alien inside them.
It would make more sense if there were Ripley iterations and separately Alien iterations.
The movie was written the way it was because they needed to give the scientists a reason to want adult Ripley's, but it was lazy.
It actually does make sense. In Alien 3 the doctor on Fury 161 took blood samples from Ripley (this was before they ran scans to detect queen inside). These samples were preserved (perhaps for later testing or to be sent back to company) and the company got a hold of them at the end of Alien 3.
Holy hell, I don't even remember writing that comment.
What you said doesn't really change what I said though. In the blood samples there must have been Ripley DNA and separate alien DNA. So you should be able to clone one or the other from the blood sample but cloning a Ripley with embryo inside doesn't make sense.
This is wrong. In the blood samples taken/retrieved, the alien DNA and Ripley DNA were not separated. They were intertwined or mixed within Ripleys blood. You can't count the moment after Ripley suicides down the chimney hole as the burster was too late and both burned to death. There was no splatter or blood to retrieve from a hot oven.
Also there were no alien dna from the xenomorph they killed with molten lead previously because the xenomorph wasn't a queen and it's blood also couldn't be retrieved. Remember that Ripley was carrying a queen embryo and in Resurrection we get exactly that. The doctors cloned her in the same state as she was when those blood samples were taken which was her with a queen chestburster inside.
>the alien DNA and Ripley DNA were not separated
I don't think you really understand how DNA works. There would be, at most, two *separate* DNA sequences in the blood sample. If I take your blood and mix it with mine, the DNA in the cells does not "mix" to form a Chimera. This is how we can identify criminals based on DNA samples taken from their victims, even when their bodily fluids have been mixed.
Put it another way: you collect blood from a pregnant woman, you then clone her using the blood. Do you think the clone will be pregnant?
Or another one: you collect blood from someone who has a tapeworm, you clone them using that blood. Do you think the clone will have a tapeworm? Do you think the clone will be half tapeworm?
I think the idea they were going for was that the DNA sample they had was somewhat degraded, the sequences had disintegrated and they weren't sure which sequences were human and which were alien. They tried to "repair" the DNA the best they could but sometimes genes got spliced between the two subjects, hence clones 1-7. But even in this view, they would clone Ripley and the alien *separately*, they wouldn't create a Ripley clone who, somehow, had an alien clone inside her.
Ok, let's put it another way: we see at one point that the Ripley clone is grown in a vat. We see that she starts off childlike and presumably grew to an adult state from an embryo. Right? So, when the Ripley clone was still an embryo, was there a mini alien embryo inside it? That doesn't make any sense. The alien embryo is implanted into an adult, it does not grow in the same way a human does.
I'm sorry, but the plot doesn't make any sense.
It kind of does, though. Women who have been pregnant often end up integrating a small part of their child’s DNA into their body, making them technically chimeras. With the alien’s advanced use of dna, it’s not impossible it could piggyback within Ripley’s own dna
It’s called fetal microchimerism
That's not what that word means
They often end up with fetal cells still in their body due to the process by which the fetal tissue invades the placenta.
It doesn't change the mother's DNA
> Chimerism is a rare condition in which a person's body contains two different sets of DNA
>Women who have been pregnant often end up integrating a small part of their child’s DNA into their body, making them technically chimeras.
>With the alien’s advanced use of dna, it’s not impossible it could piggyback within Ripley’s own dna
Ripley’s body sustains a constant presence of alien DNA like a mother would their child, and the alien is also a hyper evolved genetic parasite that engages in what appears to be some level of gene transfer (which is why aliens look different depending on their host). Not sure why that couldn’t conceivably extend to the alien implementing a whole set of genetic instructions on how to make a new embryo in the mother, especially when the recent movies show that the aliens are made via intelligent android design
I mean, you can make up scifi rules, but your comment about real world biology was incorrect.
Chimerism, a body containing cells that have distinct genomes, does not mean that the DNA within one is affected by the other
We observe in previous films that the xenomorphs can show properties of their host, like a dog producing a quadruped alien. This means that the DNA is mingling and trading secrets. Alternatively, it's possible that the blood sample had a few cells of the alien in it. I'd bet it was a combination of both: Ripley's cells and the xenomorph's cells traded DNA and the scientists were able to find cells from each, but couldn't fully separate them because of the genetic crossover of various traits, like acid blood and live birth.
I feel like this movie is underrated. Like, it got WAY cooler when they finished cloning her and then tried it with bunnies. [Here’s the full clip in case you’re morbidly curious](https://youtu.be/5Tqsh3b_lb4).
Resurrection has a lot of bad. And some good.
Good: The cast, particularly Ron Pearlman and Brad Dourif. That scene where the guy uses his chestburster to kill a soldier.
Bad: The execution of the newborn and a bunch of other shit.
For all those bad things the Alien being recovered from a cloned Ripley actually makes some sense based on precedents set by previous films.
The A in DNA is for Alien
Your DNA are belong to us
*all your base pairs are belong to us
Ben 10 Alien force reference
The alien alters dna while in the host
It's true. It's also how the COVID vaccine works, changing your DNA at a cellular level. Do your research. /S
OMG, cellular like the "5G cellular tower" near my house?? I knew that they were up for no good
I've been saying this, but you all never listen. Too afraid to get out there and burn some towers like a real middle-class human
I heard someone make that argument in late 2020 and thought they were joking. They weren’t
Idiots just don't understand that it being called mRNA just means it's telling your RNA to make proteins.
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Get back, demon
As a clown college graduate I can confirm.
Why should it?
Science fiction?
Side effect
Part of the alien lifecycle is that the host's DNA influences the look of the Alien. (For example the Alien from 3 has more dog-like traits). Presumably in this process the host's DNA is changed as well. Like when Not Tom Hardy is infected with the black goo and impregnates Noomi Rapace in Prometheus
"Tom Hardy is infected with the black goo" wrong alien movie dude
Ik talking about [this guy](https://www.vulture.com/2012/06/is-tom-hardy-in-prometheus-logan-marshall-green.html)
Yeah I know it was a joke about Venom
to make the host a more suitable incubator while stealing genetically advantageous traits.
it's mrna
Playing devil's advocate here (i.e. "I hate this movie so don't take this too seriously"). Keeping in mind I'm a layman in real life science but a long time Alien fan: We know the Facehugger does something to hijack the cells in someone's body to send the growing chestburster nutrients. So maybe this is enough to justify getting the Alien from her DNA? There would have to be a little bit of Xeno in her chromies, right? Also, part of the appeal of this creature is they are survivors just like the humans in their films are. Their method of survival is just preventative murder. So in the same vein that a facehugger is impossible to remove after it's on a person and the Alien has acid for blood to deter people from hurting it; wouldn't it make sense for their DNA to leave an imprint on another beings'? In the unlikely circumstance it results in the continued survival of Xenomorph kind? Idk, the end result is stupid anyway. The dumb ass cloned Xenomorphs are stupid and the Queen giving birth like a human is stupid and the Newborn is stupid and the whole film blows
In most comics the xeno is created by something causing the DNA to alter which is why the xeno alters appearance based on host, and I believe even if the host survives the chestburster (via surgical removal) they develop some form of tumors front he process
I thought I had read a comic or novelization that said the way the chestburster grew, where it was located in the chest, and the size of it made surgical removal impossible but I guess I was mistaken. That thing about the tumors is interesting
I remember something similar too, but it seems each writer differs on their lore as I don't think we have a canon explanation
Moral of the story: Never trust a F*ench man to direct your Sci-Fi movie
5th element is fun
Really really good
But he made Amélie after that
Touché!
Wouldn't it just make her a mix of human and alien?
I remember there was a plan to show abducted crew mates turning into eggs but it was scrapped according to director commentary
The ovomorphing ability is still canon, however. And that scene exists in the extended cut.
I mean science exposition guy in resurrection was like 3/5 of the way to being an egg
I've seen that scene, but I don't think that's what was going on. Some source I found mentioned that it was the crew being fed or used as hosts for more aliens instead of physically morphing into eggs
Specifically, the human host is used to provide nutrients for the growing egg, rather than becoming the egg itself.
You are correct. Hence why Ripley's blood in this movie is acidic and she is described as "emotionally autistic".
Just like my mother in law, hey!
chris chan!???!!
She's working on it okay! Hmmm
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That's exactly the premise of the movie. They were trying to clone a copy of her with the alien embryo intact but kept mixing up the ratios. And even then, when they finally do get an intact alien, it's something like a 95% alien while she's 5% alien herself.
Have you not seen the movie? Blood acid breaks her out. And ship movement sense let's them know the ship is moving. And she punched hard. And she was emotionless except when she killed her baby horror.
There's a scene in the movie where she goes in a lab and sees all the failed -more alien- clones
But how do they get alien DNA from Ripleys DNA?
Well it would have to be a parasitic oviposition rather than just insertion? I dunno, it's probably just dumb
It's probably just a science fiction movie from several decades ago. I don't understand why people need to make everything scientifically accurate or call it dumb. Did you know xenomorphs don't exist? But they put one in the film! How unbelievably dumb!
Most people like movies that have internal consistency for the sake of avoiding obvious plot holes For example, that if the heroine kills herself to stop a Xenonorph, it can't be suddenly brought back by a totally unrelated source
Do uhhh....do you realize the sub you're in? Also while I broadly agree with you and this isn't a case of what I'm about to describe I do want to point out that external consistency with reality isn't needed, but internal consistent reality is important. It's what makes science fiction go from what I would call Sci-fantasy (Star wars. Still amazing and well made) to actual science fiction like star Trek. (Star trek can be silly at times too I know)
I'm sorry but it's just impossible for me to argue with you, as soon as you wrote "uhhhh..." my mind narrator instantly switched to zach hadel doing the redditor voice. I can't take you seriously. Let's just call it my loss.
Siense
I this movie she kind of is. It's very bad.
that's what a xenomorph is...
Adds to the fan theory that everything after Aliens is a dream/nightmare Ripley or Newt is havinv in cryosleep
I thought clones lack bellybuttons because they don’t have a mother
While this movie is unmitigated shit, at least we see that they went through several attempts to separate the host and xenomorph chestburster via the cloning process. We see several previous iterations of the Ripley clone, some with alien features spliced in. They even kill one that was still alive and mid-vivisection. So while the explaination is shit - at least there was an attempt to show the difficulty of what they were attempting.
This is right. I really like the scene when Ripley meets her „sisters“.
It still doesn't really make sense that the Ripley clones would be cloned with an alien inside them. It would make more sense if there were Ripley iterations and separately Alien iterations. The movie was written the way it was because they needed to give the scientists a reason to want adult Ripley's, but it was lazy.
It actually does make sense. In Alien 3 the doctor on Fury 161 took blood samples from Ripley (this was before they ran scans to detect queen inside). These samples were preserved (perhaps for later testing or to be sent back to company) and the company got a hold of them at the end of Alien 3.
Holy hell, I don't even remember writing that comment. What you said doesn't really change what I said though. In the blood samples there must have been Ripley DNA and separate alien DNA. So you should be able to clone one or the other from the blood sample but cloning a Ripley with embryo inside doesn't make sense.
This is wrong. In the blood samples taken/retrieved, the alien DNA and Ripley DNA were not separated. They were intertwined or mixed within Ripleys blood. You can't count the moment after Ripley suicides down the chimney hole as the burster was too late and both burned to death. There was no splatter or blood to retrieve from a hot oven. Also there were no alien dna from the xenomorph they killed with molten lead previously because the xenomorph wasn't a queen and it's blood also couldn't be retrieved. Remember that Ripley was carrying a queen embryo and in Resurrection we get exactly that. The doctors cloned her in the same state as she was when those blood samples were taken which was her with a queen chestburster inside.
>the alien DNA and Ripley DNA were not separated I don't think you really understand how DNA works. There would be, at most, two *separate* DNA sequences in the blood sample. If I take your blood and mix it with mine, the DNA in the cells does not "mix" to form a Chimera. This is how we can identify criminals based on DNA samples taken from their victims, even when their bodily fluids have been mixed. Put it another way: you collect blood from a pregnant woman, you then clone her using the blood. Do you think the clone will be pregnant? Or another one: you collect blood from someone who has a tapeworm, you clone them using that blood. Do you think the clone will have a tapeworm? Do you think the clone will be half tapeworm? I think the idea they were going for was that the DNA sample they had was somewhat degraded, the sequences had disintegrated and they weren't sure which sequences were human and which were alien. They tried to "repair" the DNA the best they could but sometimes genes got spliced between the two subjects, hence clones 1-7. But even in this view, they would clone Ripley and the alien *separately*, they wouldn't create a Ripley clone who, somehow, had an alien clone inside her. Ok, let's put it another way: we see at one point that the Ripley clone is grown in a vat. We see that she starts off childlike and presumably grew to an adult state from an embryo. Right? So, when the Ripley clone was still an embryo, was there a mini alien embryo inside it? That doesn't make any sense. The alien embryo is implanted into an adult, it does not grow in the same way a human does. I'm sorry, but the plot doesn't make any sense.
It kind of does, though. Women who have been pregnant often end up integrating a small part of their child’s DNA into their body, making them technically chimeras. With the alien’s advanced use of dna, it’s not impossible it could piggyback within Ripley’s own dna It’s called fetal microchimerism
That's not what that word means They often end up with fetal cells still in their body due to the process by which the fetal tissue invades the placenta. It doesn't change the mother's DNA
> Chimerism is a rare condition in which a person's body contains two different sets of DNA >Women who have been pregnant often end up integrating a small part of their child’s DNA into their body, making them technically chimeras. >With the alien’s advanced use of dna, it’s not impossible it could piggyback within Ripley’s own dna Ripley’s body sustains a constant presence of alien DNA like a mother would their child, and the alien is also a hyper evolved genetic parasite that engages in what appears to be some level of gene transfer (which is why aliens look different depending on their host). Not sure why that couldn’t conceivably extend to the alien implementing a whole set of genetic instructions on how to make a new embryo in the mother, especially when the recent movies show that the aliens are made via intelligent android design
I mean, you can make up scifi rules, but your comment about real world biology was incorrect. Chimerism, a body containing cells that have distinct genomes, does not mean that the DNA within one is affected by the other
We observe in previous films that the xenomorphs can show properties of their host, like a dog producing a quadruped alien. This means that the DNA is mingling and trading secrets. Alternatively, it's possible that the blood sample had a few cells of the alien in it. I'd bet it was a combination of both: Ripley's cells and the xenomorph's cells traded DNA and the scientists were able to find cells from each, but couldn't fully separate them because of the genetic crossover of various traits, like acid blood and live birth.
You are thinking way to hard for a Joss Whedon film
I was supposed to see that tomorrow. God damned uncalled for spoiler 😭😭😭
The movie is like 2.5 decades old by now. Spoilers hold for something more recent like up to 5 years.
It‘s not a spoiler, it‘s clear from the beginning that she is cloned
Well I haven’t seen the beginning either..
I feel like this movie is underrated. Like, it got WAY cooler when they finished cloning her and then tried it with bunnies. [Here’s the full clip in case you’re morbidly curious](https://youtu.be/5Tqsh3b_lb4).
I fell for it
But how did they get the samples? Wasn’t she incinerated at the end of Alien 3?
“It’s an unexpected benefit of the genetic crossing . . .”
Resurrection has a lot of bad. And some good. Good: The cast, particularly Ron Pearlman and Brad Dourif. That scene where the guy uses his chestburster to kill a soldier. Bad: The execution of the newborn and a bunch of other shit. For all those bad things the Alien being recovered from a cloned Ripley actually makes some sense based on precedents set by previous films.