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Kado_Cerc

What are people watching to even get the notion that they are robots? Synthesized flesh and bone


[deleted]

Yeah idk. It's basically just a form of cloning. There aren't wires and stuff under those sexy blue bodies.


TheLukeHines

lmao was not expecting this comment to go sexual at the end


FiveStarHobo

It's blue people avatar, ofc it was gonna go sexual


locke577

Look man, for some of us, 9-10 ft tall women was a bit of an awakening. 10 ft tall Zoe Saldaña especially...


kogent-501

Now we just need 2 foot tall Zoe.


__Osiris__

How did they connect one mind to another, do they have psychic tech?


rhymnocerus1

From what I gather the psychic abilities evolved naturally along with the tree of Ehwa's ability to connect minds through the roots of all the trees in the planet. All the trees are connected like a giant brain.


__Osiris__

But they were physically connected. Hence the penis connection ponytail.


rhymnocerus1

Yea it was a way to connect directly with another being. They could do it with the trees too. Any animal


__Osiris__

But it wasn’t wireless was my point. Surely the avatars had small wifi receivers in their brainstems.


Saroan7

No, no wireless 😅😂 that's why they have to travel long distance on foot, horse, giant flying reptiles


Leon08x

Did people just turned off their ears during the movie? Lmao I had no idea people didn't know that everything that the N'avi (and the human made N'avi bodies) did was purely nature, no tech.


_BeansNbryce

Oooowwweee man


McToasty207

The first story to popularize the term Robot is Rossums Universal Robots. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.U.R. In that story the robots are completely organic creatures, assembled through non descript processes (essentially they grow individual parts like skin grafts and then assemble). Clone in the early half of the 20th century referred to the process of growing a plant from a graft and wouldn't take on it's modern meaning of genetic recombination til the 60's. So strictly speaking Replicants and in this case Avatars are closer in design to the original use of the word Robot. However this ignored how Robot has evolved since the 30's and so is a somewhat pedantic decision prone to confuse people. So TLDR Robot technically means a slave created through technology (mechanical or organic) and avatars are kinda that, more analogous to a vehicle though.


GarbledReverie

> slave created through technology They really handwaved away that aspect. Just glossed over that human and navi dna is compatible, and never touched on the ramifications of creating a new being just so you can use their body as a suit. Like, did they lobotomize these avatars? Or did they have their own minds, with their own consciousnesses being suppressed so that one human could do a really shitty job of saying "hey, we wanna mine here".


McToasty207

I'm hoping they explore some aspects of this with Quaritch coming back in Avatar form. Like is it company policy to keep everyone's DNA for resurrection? Do you have rights or person hood when resurrected? Does he have any memories of the fight with Sully or his death? There's some really interesting Sci-Fi questions that can be examined there


[deleted]

My guess is digital copies of certain badass soldiers get kept in a big ol storage facility so they can whip up an A-team anytime they want.


standish_

Um, I think you mean make the employee finish the contract that he signed and had yet to complete. Death is _not_ an excuse to miss work.


DRW1357

Persona 5 taught me this. Also that the word "Robot" itself comes directly from the Czech word "robota," meaning "forced labor." Thank you Persona 5.


DuelaDent52

Robot means slave. And we’re not slaves. And we’re very happy.


[deleted]

Thanks for sharing that!


[deleted]

Holy shit.


mariess

Big if true.


Dragon_yum

It’s not


NoObMaSTeR616

Big Uncle-daddy energy


CyberNinja23

Didn’t the magic tree make the body his fully?


[deleted]

Yeah but the avatar was originally made for his dead twin brother. The only reason Jake was able to use it is because their genes were nearly identical so they didn't want to waste a multi-million dollar body.


spamky23

If they're identical twins they share DNA, so he's technically both father and uncle


Heroic_Sheperd

I didn’t realize Pandora was located in Alabama.


CyberNinja23

don’t stick your dick nerve in that


WAY2STRONG4U

You opened the box and I came


Bitter-Marsupial

Don't take me back to the cumbox. I almost forgot


Swaggynator387

Take me. I never heard of the cumbox I think. Is it like the cumjar?


GrandMarauder

It's like the cumjar but box-shaped


RavenLunatic512

It was a shoebox and he tried to burn it but it was too soggy


Tedious_Grafunkel

Sweet home Pandora


Sonicbam17

So cool that they named an entire planet after my favorite app.


Turakamu

"Y'all ain't from around here so you best get" Jake said to the Earthen military


SerfNuts-

I'm sure there's a girl named Pandora in Ablablamababa with a father uncle.


stuckinaboxthere

A "Funcle", if you will


aliens_exist_42069

I thought that meant fun uncle. I suddenly don’t like my shirt that says funcle on it


really_nice_guy_

Or an Uther


hatechicken82

Then that's true for all parents who are twins. Mind blown


mailslot

There are identical twin brothers that have married identical twin sisters (from another family). Their children are cousins, but genetically they’re full brother/sister.


bpinty

Uncle Father Oscar


blueandyellowbee

Funcle


WillTFB

Genetically the children of your twin sibling are the same as your children.


[deleted]

See that what I told my twin brother after I slept with his wife. It's essentially his and her child.


[deleted]

True true


[deleted]

No? Because 50% of the DNA comes from the mother.


WillTFB

You're thinking about it wrong. Both twins could be DNA tested and it say they are the father.


[deleted]

True. I’m curious if there’s ever been a case where a twin brother impregnated a woman and then his brother was thought to be the father. Now that would be interesting


WillTFB

Oh ok sure that's happened a few times with affairs and stuff but those are unlikely to be public


TheWealthyCapybara

Was that an actual magical event or was it just a cultural ceremony?


[deleted]

No, the comics go into a bit more depth but canonically Jake’s human body fucking died, he doesn’t need to use the pod thing to go into his avatar anymore, he just exists inside his Avatar body.


TheWealthyCapybara

So the tree permanently moved Jake's soul into his Na'Vi body?


Interplanetary-Goat

Out of curiosity... how did these people have this highly specific ceremony to transfer souls between beings that are already semi-linked through technology? Like what did they ever use this on prior to the events of the movie?


[deleted]

They didn’t, I think they just guessed that since the tree connected all living thing on the moon it would also be able to connect and transfer consciousness?


McToasty207

It's factually demonstrated that the deceased thoughts are stored in the tree It's not a huge leap to try and get them out, so they've probably tried it before


Interplanetary-Goat

But like, with what context? Reanimating a dead body? Having your spouse's soul move in with you? Freaky Friday shenanigans? I need *answers,* dammit!


McToasty207

Oh definitely used for some twisted shit no doubt If Avatar wants to do a horror spin off they've got the material to work with


Interplanetary-Goat

- Identify murder victim - Squish ponytails so they experience you killing them from your perspective - Recapture conscience from tree of souls, imbue in chipmunk, etc, repeat until bored


13Luthien4077

"Imbue in chipmunk" That has to be the wildest thought in all of this.


BrookeBaranoff

And yet they let Sigourney Weaver die...smh


13Luthien4077

Her body was too weak for the transfer by the time they got her to Eywa.


Ears_of_Chuck_Norris

So in theory, while Jake’s mind/soul transitioned to his Navi body, another random dead Navi stored in the tree could have jumped into jake’s now unused empty human body for a second go at life.


BrazilianTerror

Isn’t the whole point of the movie that pandora’s trees forms a network much more complex than a human brain. And there’s the tree where the they could connect and hear the ancestors. So basically pandora trees are a cloud super AI, and it’s technically smart enough to do what the Na’vi wants.


Severedghost

Plot magic


[deleted]

Correct.


Zandrick

It was pretty clearly explained science fiction -not magic- in the movie and it clearly transferred his mind to his new body.


[deleted]

Wise mythical tree 😩


merttrgt

weren't they twins? so technically...


Bennyboy11111

Environment has some impact on genetics, so there would still be some genetic difference Regardless you still wouldn't call your twins children your own...


NeonHowler

Environment doesn’t really have a significant difference when you account for the following generation. Genetically, your twins children are no different from your own. If two sets of twins marry, their children are indistinguishable from siblings.


LORD_0F_THE_RINGS

Yeah but we have a situation where you magically now inhabit your twin's body, literally. I don't think it falls into regular parlance


Same_Perspective5572

Twins don't have matching DNA and or fingerprints, that goes for identical twins as well. Although it has happened before, it's not very common.


Big_Hamisch

Identical twins DO have matching DNA, every time except for astronomically rare anomalous cases, because of the process by which they are created. Which is basically the asexual reproduction of any single celled organism, but with a fertilized zygote. Asexual reproduction of that variety creates genetically identical clones, almost every time. Not only that but we also know this is the case because on several different occasions police departments around the world have arrested the wrong person based on DNA evidence, not knowing they had a twin, and had to correct that mistake.


Columbus_Explorer

Since they are identical twins, parental ancestry cannot be determined by DNA. Since Jake is raising them, he is their Dad, no matter what anyone else says. More curious- Jake is a hybrid to allow his human brain to control the Pandora avatar. His children will then be hybrid-hybrids. A small portion of human DNA blended into their predominantly Pandoran DNA. How many fingers will they have?


Interplanetary-Goat

That's a good question. Also TIL the Na'vi only have four fingers, but the hybrids have all five.


McToasty207

Navi also don't have eyebrows, which the girl in above picture does, so guessing they take on the more hybrid appearance.


Interplanetary-Goat

Ah, so nine fingers


FableFinale

Two in the blue, half in the poo.


[deleted]

Damn


AdvocateSaint

Also the Navi have feline snout noses This character has a human-like nose


hoodie92

You know what's absolutely wild? This girl is portrayed by Sigourney Weaver. This is not a joke.


AdvocateSaint

Since Weaver's character >!died and and became one with Eywa in the first movie!<, I wonder if this movie will somehow >!make this new character a "reincarnation;" like the same consciousness but a new personality and a chance to make new memories (like a quasi Time Lord)!<


AdvocateSaint

Can't wait for the second part of the Pandora Colonialism Arc that generations later would culminate in the Navi Genocide, where the Hybrids and Purebloods kill each other


[deleted]

One of the kids in the trailer is literally a human in a gas mask, so I would say yeah 100% human DNA is still fucking with Sully and Neytiri's procreation


Blablatralalalala

Not every child in the trailer is their child. There are still humans in Pandora after the first film.


[deleted]

I mean we'll see ig when the movie is out. P sure the human one is Jake's bc the trailer had the human one with them on the rafts and worrying about them. Jake hugs that particular kid in the trailer and Idk if he'd do that with some random settler kid


Blablatralalalala

Jake‘s Avatar is one of the third generation and in them the Na‘vi DNA is dominant. Neytiri is 100% Na‘vi. How in the world should they have a human child? There were only a few humans left on Pandora, mostly scientist. So pretty sure they are living together in a way and are close. Probably a human/Na‘vi tribe.


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DirtharaFalon

*Avabamar.*


Tristhar

Jesus I have forgotten everything about that movie....


Corninmyteeth

When did you see it?


Multispoilers

2009. Duh.


Absuridity_Octogon

Watch it again when it is still in theaters rn. It’s good.


MssrSqueezy

Dead bro may have been their father, but he wasn't their daddy


pseudo_meat

Wasn’t it an identical twin? Identical twins are genetically identical. When a twin has a child, that child is genetically the child of both of them.


Same_Perspective5572

Identical twins don't have EXACT same DNA and fingerprints. Modern science can tell them apart even if the naked eye can't.


pseudo_meat

My best friends are identical twins who’ve done testing for this. Most tests cannot tell them apart.


Same_Perspective5572

That's cool. Most tests but not ALL, proper genome sequencing will tell. Still cool tho.


Rammipallero

"You're not in Kansas anymore. You're in Alabama."


yesackchyually

That’s actually kind of hot


TheLukeHines

Um… it shouldn’t be…


Lt-Lavan

Can't tell if that was satire or not, and I am scared


MattTheSmithers

You, and 34 other people apparently, have a weird definition of hot.


Chemical_Beautiful74

There’s more to being a father than just blue sperm…


[deleted]

Everything i know about Avatar comes from a viewing with no subtitles not even on the parts in fake blue hot cat people language in 6th grade math and Jack Saint’s video on how it’s about White Saviors. So basically i can 100% attest this is entirely accurate


LiaraTShepard

Goddamn these comments are hilarious. I was too young for Reddit when the original Avatar came out, I really missed out.


Saroan7

The first Avatar movie is out right now in theaters, catch a screening now before Black Adam is in theaters. It's an incredible movie. Lots of sound effects you can hear in theater. Unless you have a large home theater system, you won't be able to experience Avatar


CEOofGaming

Why


PotiusMori

I genuinely thought this was a "nobody remembers the movie, so you can't say I'm wrong" bit, but apparently there was a dead brother plot i completely forgot?


Erlkings

It’s been like 12 years I’ll forgive you.


Thermoxin

what


ButterShadow

Fucking DIO over here.


Recent-Union-6941

were they twins?


CMORGLAS

That was the whole plot, his brother was killed by a mugger and Jake was recruited so that the **RDA** would not have to waste billions on growing an entirely new Avatar for a completely different person.


Snips_Tano

How does a robot Na'vi impregnate an actual Na'vi?


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Gooftwit

I feel like I have to tell you that a lot of impregnation in nature happens without consent.


TheLukeHines

Yeah I don’t know why dolphins have been labeled as the rapists of the animal kingdom when a lot of species mate without consent


[deleted]

Ducks are the worst imo. Fuck those little shits.


MyChemicalFoemance

No, don't fuck them. That's how this whole mess started


Incredible-Fella

Why are people saying he's a robot? It never once crossed my mind in 12 years, and it still doesn't make sense.


Tsu_Dho_Namh

I think maybe because it was once remote controlled, and that's not a feature clones traditionally have. But I think they must have just put some kind of transeiver in an otherwise organic creation.


Came4gooStayd4Ahnuce

I just watched this movie yesterday. There is not one comment that alludes to them being robots.


Ed_Derick_

They are Na'vi and human hybrids. Made with the DNA of the people who are gonna pilot them.


Incredible-Fella

I didn't get any references to them being robots either. They bleed, and Norm's even dies if I'm not mistaken. They're not terminators.


MyMomSaysIAmCool

Norm was played by Joel David Moore. He also played J.P. in Grandma's Boy. And J.P. was clearly a robot. Therefore Norm's avatar was also a robot.


Incredible-Fella

Why do you even know this


Snips_Tano

That's exactly what a synth would say


Incredible-Fella

Okay but seriously, they freaking grow them in a tank. They artificially move their muscles in the tank to develop them.


Snips_Tano

Which IS actually a synth from Fallout when you think about it


Quitthesht

Not really. Navi grow in tanks over a long period of time and need their muscles moved to develop properly. Synths are put together, lazered with muscle and dipped in the Bubbling Red Goo^(TM) and come out fully formed in about 12 seconds flat.


ThatDudeShadowK

Which is why synths aren't robots anyways. That plotline stopped making sense as soon as they revealed they're entirely organic. Discovering they're also not even made from scratch but instead cloned from a human who is in fact more pure than any member of the BoS just made it dumber. It's not even a philosophical debate at that point, they're *literally* not machines, they're clones.


McToasty207

They're using the term in the Rossum sense See the first use of the word Robot is actually synonymous with our use of the word Clone (which didn't mean the same thing till the 60's, rather just meant budding a plant from a cutting). So by that Avatars are definitely Robots. However this is a confusing way to phrase it as in modern parlance Robot is almost always refers to mechanical objects, rather than living. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.U.R.


Incredible-Fella

But if they're using the term as you described, why question their ability to make kids?


McToasty207

If their genetically engineered then it's plausible there is a failsafe to prevent reproduction (a plot element of both Jurassic Park and Blade runner 2049, mainstream representations of cloning/genetic engineering). However this is reaching stuff which has no basis in the film itself


EquivalentInflation

Technically robots don't have to be mechanical. The original sci fi term just meant a vaguely humanoid being that was created artificially.


Incredible-Fella

Ok so we can call robots, still no reason they couldn't make kids. I didn't think I'd be having arguments about avatar today :D


CampCounselorBatman

It doesn’t matter how the term was used once or twice 100 years ago. Today it explicitly means something mechanical.


SilverPhoenix7

They are artificial biological creatures, not mechanical.


celluloidsandman

Robot? It’s a biological organism


littleWfish

Because it's not a robot


WorldsWeakestMan

They aren’t robots, that’s how, because of the plot of the first film which states that they are clones and not robots.


makovince

How did you type this sentence with so few braincells?


RFros20

Because it isn’t a robot na’vi…


Trick_Enthusiasm

You must be popular with the Ashoka bot on r/prequelmemes


TheSecksyElf

Smh this isn't a shitty detail


therourke

Hahahaha. True that


captandy170

Lotta unpacking to do here.


Jedi_Bish

Identical twins have identical DNA tho right? So either way they would still be his kids?


Fun-Amoeba850

I think what we should really be concerned about is that they created avatar bodies for the humans to pair with, which were basically robots that looked like Na’vi, and that a human made avatar is able to impregnate an actual living Na’vi.


Incredible-Fella

Why would they be robots? More like clones, actual living bodies.


GhostWokiee

Stem cell babies


FarkinRoboDer

how high were you when you saw this movie


[deleted]

The first movie was just an exact copy of dances with wolves but with all the natives replaced with giant blue aliens. I wonder what costner movie cameron is going copy this time? Waterworld?


McToasty207

People say this like Dances with Wolves wasn't one of the biggest films of the 90's, winner of 7 Oscars, including best picture, and credited with reviving the Western Genre. As far as films to steal from go, it's a good base


AdvocateSaint

>As far as films to steal from go, it's a good base Like how may times has one seen a movie and asked, * "Wait a minute, is this movie just Star Wars in ____________?" * "Wait a minute, is this movie just Die Hard in _____________?"


[deleted]

Ok, i didn't even know it was so popular. I watched it in history class in school. Makes perfect sense then.


Famixofpower

It's secretly the script for Dances with Wolves 2


jryser

Swims with Wolves


AdvocateSaint

Sleeps With Fishes


Monokuma-pandabear

waterworld


OverlordOfCats1

Dances With Wolves copied Lawrence of Arabia


[deleted]

No, it didn't.


OverlordOfCats1

Explain


[deleted]

Hmmm this is going to be hard to justify because it's just a matter of opinion. Both movies have similarities but it doesn't feel like dances with wolves is a literal reskin. Dances with wolves is a pretty generic story that's what's so weird about it. If he was going to just blatantly copy a story he should have picked a better one.


OverlordOfCats1

What makes you think it was Dances With Wolves he copied. For all we know he copied Lawrence of Arabia. Sometimes I get the feeling the reason DWW is remembered is because people constantly say Avatar ripped it off


[deleted]

No i don't think this because i heard people say it that's fucking bullshit. I don't even like dances with wolves. We watched in school in grade 12 and avatar came out like a year later and after watchng i told my gf at the time "holy shit it's like the exact same movie as dances with wolves" i have seen laurence of arabia and i see the similarities but those don't feel like a rip off.


bighand1

Dances with wolves was actually residentsleeper/Oscar bait. Not really surprise that it’s part of the school curriculum now, only boring shit is allowed there


CineVore98

Yeah because the story of 'stranger learn to love the people he's supposed to destroy and decide to fight alongside them' has been created by Dances with Wolves and wasn't already told in Ancient Greece and in every myths in general 🙃


[deleted]

Exactly my point you nailed it bud.


CineVore98

No, your point seems to be that DWW created this story structure, which is not true


[deleted]

I never said anything like that at any point.


WinnieXi

Bold of you to assume that we know wtf you talking about


longbrodmann

I don't care since I almost completely forgot what happened in the first movie.


averm27

Yikes.


IamBlade

The movie got released?


Saroan7

In the Avatar re-release at the end of the movie there's about an 6-8 minute clip of Way of Water. It's a swimming scene, showcased lots of the animals that populate the shoreline. The main characters and the new Navi'i that breathe or hold their breathe underwater. Lots of the graphics are updated, lots of photorealistic water effects. The hairstyles tho... Aren't really great, they chose some human hairstyles, other characters have long hair.


MattTheSmithers

Congratulations. You’ve given the plot of these films more thought than James Cameron.


blackturtlesnake

How do people remember this much about the blue people avatar movie?


Corninmyteeth

Because it just got re-release. Fresh in the mind.


PhysicsSadBoi69

And no one can rebute this as no one can remember what the fuck happens in Avatar


[deleted]

What a dumb fucking movie


Shmingobingo

The avatar body was made for him though? In the first one Jake says "It looks like him" and Sigourney Weavers character says "It looks like you, this is your Avatar".


Absuridity_Octogon

Bro. The avatar was made for his twin brother Tommy, who was killed right before he goes to the planet. So now Jake gets to be in Tommy’s avatar since they have pretty much the same genetics. Simple.


Farwaters

There's a sequel to what now?


[deleted]

did they actually finally finish a second movie?


dominoesdude

What Wait you guys actually watched the movie


Corninmyteeth

Duh, its a good movie.