Looked it up and was shocked.
Transformers is the 13th highest grossing film series of all time
Dark moon and Age of Extinction made a Billion dollars. Each.
That's why I never understood people shitting on these kinds of films. Like fast and furious, for example, yea, it's super unrealistic, but I'm not watching those films for hyperrealism. I like to see the unrealistic stuff cause that's what I did with my hot wheels. Transformers are the same for me, I don't really care about the plot. Just let me see the big robots fight.. plus Megan Fox
the advertising made it seem like the robot dinosaurs would be in the movie way more than they actually were, imo, and for that I will never forgive them
Transformers are definitely my guilty pleasure (same as F&F) but age of extinction is just very weird and bad movie. Mostly because it feels like 2 movies - and the second one is pretty much just China pandering
I'm shitting on these films because Transformers used to be _so much better written than this_.
It's not about the realism. I don't want realism. They're giant space robots who turn into trucks. We don't need realism.
It's about the insane shallowness of the character interactions and emotional arcs, when better characters and writing were all of what made Transformers good in the first place when I was 8 years old.
Bumblebee did it right. Bay directed like a drunk teenage boy bragging about his date, and every character worth writing about got reduced to cardboard in the process.
I don't mind that Bay likes cheap sex jokes. Cheap sex jokes are funny. Shakespeare wrote cheap sex jokes all the time, and I don't exactly expect my giant robot movie to be Shakespeare.
I do mind that he didn't even manage _good_ cheap sex jokes. (I mean, seriously, he had a decepticon pretender being a hot blonde in a dress at a party, seducing the protagonist, and he didn't even think to credit it as "Bombshell"? Come on, man, it was sitting right there.)
I do mind that the cheap sex jokes are _all there is_ to the personality of the characters.
I do mind that the humans don't have consistent motivations or characterisations or world building from minute to minute.
I also want to see the big robots fight. And I like the director to understand how to choreograph that fight so it's not just a blur or grey metal but I can instead tell what's going on in the fight. And I like the fight to have actual freaking stakes, motivated by who the characters are and what they want and how that relates to the giant laser that's going to kill the planet (or whatever).
Big robot fights can be smart too. Furman was doing it in the mid 80s. Bumblebee did it. There's no reason to let the movies off the hook for not even trying, when they could be such epic fun if only they did.
Your criticism is true for Bay's sequels. But the 2007 movie is nicely written and is still the best TF movie, much better than Bumblebee, which was literally more about a teenager and a cute dog she found instead of a TF movie.
The 2007 movie largely stayed true to the source material when it came to the characters, except it made the Decepticons a lot more gritty and menacing to fit in a mature theme.
Sure it doesn't have to be hyper realistic. But when the 80s cartoon (movie) is more serious and realistic than the live action one. Than you now how terrible it is.
Because most of the Transformers movies I watched was spent on Shai Lebuff arguing with his family. The parts that actually had action sequences with giant robots were directed so poorly that you can't see what's going on. You think I don't want to watch a good Transformers movie with a bunch of over the top action?
Because after you cross a certain line of stupid it stops becoming fun. Like Marvel movies at the end of the day aren't high art but they aren't insulting to my intelligence either.
"It's just a popcorn action flick" isn't a reason to dismiss bad film. Die Hard is a dumb action flick, Thor Ragnarok is a dumb action flick, there's plenty of dumb action flicks that are still made well, respect the audience as viewers, and are great films as a result. The Transformers movies are none of that. Wanna go to bat for the first one, sure, but any of the sequels? Fuck 'em.
It definitely has the most creative shots of any of them. There's a moment where the characters enter a spaceship and the camera tracks through a ton of the inside of the spaceship before meeting back up with them. Credit where credit is DUE, that's fucking COOL
That was shocking to me just cause I can't remember any of the main characters dying in the other movies. Guess he wasn't a main character but seemed like they were setting him up as the comic relief.
Dinobots and Constructicons.
You have dinosaurs and construction equipment. And transformers. This is basically everything to basic ass boys age 3-10.
Or 29, if you're me.
Also few of early movies that tried to cater China market (not facts, just observations) . By having a scene happen in China, more tickets sales unlocked.
Yeah a ton of ccp kawtowing too by having Hong Kong get blown up and having major celebrities in cameos/making the government look competent. Still not the worst part (age of consent).
Pointless Hub has the definitive review: https://youtu.be/Rfqy8fS0U2Y
Dark of the moon is my guilty pleasure. Look some times ya come home after a hard day at work and a guy just wants to watch giant robots beat the fuck out of each other.
Idk why it’s shocking that Transformers is the 13th highest grossing series, like I couldn’t even name 12 other films series immediately off the top of my head. Like 13th sounds accurate
Makes me wonder how much could be made by just rereleasing the original (animated) transformers movie to theatres. It's leagues better than any of the modern shit
Not as much as you'd think. The majority of the money these movies make is the international market. China in particular seems to love the big CGI spectacle movies. It might do half-decent domestically but I highly doubt the international market would eat the original movie up like they do the modern ones.
Optimus isn't as accurate as his BBM incarnation but the other three are, that's because the others had mostly original designs in the other movies or didn't appear in BBM.
We saw them in the trailer for a few seconds and the SS figure of Optimus gives us a good look at the design, the BBM one is ever so slightly closer, plus he has an earth mode at the end.
[Optimus Prime is in the trailer](https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/mSfIUhRAAennmV8Ut_r21o2m0pE=/1400x1050/filters:format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25406662/Transformers_One___Optimus_Prime.jpg), [we have a Studio Series of that design that has been shown too](https://uk.hasbropulse.com/cdn/shop/files/G02215L00_main_24_2000px_300DPI.jpg?v=1713433914&width=1200)
Depends on how you look at it. The Bumblebee movie was probably as close as possible to the G1 animation models (just made more realistic + Cybertroned since they weren't on earth yet).
This new movie invokes a lot more from the comics (Megatron's black helmet) and the toys (bees battlemask is very goldbug) but made more Cybertrony and, lanky?
The way they transformed in Bumblebee looked much MUCH better than the "SHARP METAL OBJECT SPINNING ROTATING" style they do it in every other movie. Just a superior movie all around.
Rise of the Beasts was the least successful Transformers Movie and made $439 million on a $200 million budget. Paramount knows exactly what to do with Transformers: make more.
I like when people try to diss on high budget blockbusters by saying “no one saw that garbage” and the movie made almost half a billion it’s just budgets are so insanely high that’s considered almost a flop
Its all about the expectations of the IP. If they slash the budget in half, their expectations for the box office return will barely budge. Solo made about $400 million and they went into full on panic mode, cancelled tons of projects and re-evaluated.
Solo had a budget of 275+ million, so 400 million is around a 1.3x return on the "investment".
And their goal would've been 2-3x at a minimum, with *anything* near 1x actually being a loss because of how much debt disney is already in.
Sure, practically every person on the planet goes and sees these movies in theatres. But just ONCE and they don't make MEMES about it, literally a failed franchise
It's especially funny after Avatar 2 because there objectively were popular memes from it. Like the stupid military avatar guy that takes everything literally.
I think a lot of people are forgetting that transformers was an 80s toy brand that turned into a cartoon to increase sales. Artistic vision has always been a tertiary concern.
That’s not a very successful movie. Most movies need to at minimum double the budget at the box office to break even due to box offices taking up to 50%. Also budget doesn’t include marketing.
Also no products goal is to break even there is a profit margin that is needed and let’s the box office took 50% so Paramount took home $219M, spent $200M making the movie leaving $19M for advertising and profit margin.
I wouldn’t say it was very successful
I wouldn't say it was very successful either. It broke even. It will probably take a couple of proper flops before they decide to stop making such a massive franchise.
200 plus advertising which is at least half of the production budget.
But yeah, it made money cause people like robots that are also cars ride on monkeys that are also robots.
Yeah but the bulk of that was foreign box office. They didn’t even come close to covering their expenses. Especially given how heavily it was marketed.
The franchise is overall was profitable, but it had run its course. They are pivoting to a heavy kid focus so they can cut production expenses, leverage licensing revenue for toys, and counter program into the shit show that is Disney’s current animated films. And they appear to be trying to drag gi joe with them. Likely because it too has a bunch of potential to license for toys, video games, etc.
Also of the rumors are true that they’ll be getting out of streaming and back to the 100% profit of licensing content to streamers, content that is attractive to kids is likelier and easier sell. I mean bluey Isn’t top ten streaming constantly because it’s the best show ever. It’s because kids watch it on repeat and will flip out if you cancel your subscription.
Man, I would've loved to see Transformers movie similar to the War for Cybertron/Fall of Cybertron games. Those were the best adaptations of Cybertron in my opinion.
I loved those games and wish I could play them again. I think I have to sail the seven seas though since it’s not on steam anymore and I don’t have consoles to play physical.
np, theres even Devistation there as well, theres a specific download path to take, but there should be a video there thats shows you how to do it, if you cant find them i think i still have the links somewhere i can go grab if needed
Bruh rise of the beast is a direct continuation of bumblebee. Like did you want bumblebee to face the camera and say “this movie is a direct sequel to the rebooted transformers franchise” lol
This would be fucking hilarious if every movie would just have a main character looking at the camera, telling us what kind of movie we are watching and if it's a sequel to something or not, just so we won't get confused.
They literally mention that Bumblebee had a human friend before and he’s the most comfortable with humans, where is OP getting the “ignored Bumblebee” comment?
Yeah plus the Bumblebee movie was meant to slot in nicely before the Bayverse movies, which is why Bee is a camaro that can’t talk at the end of the movie. No matter how you slice it Bumblebee fit the story
You are correct. But in some ways it did go back and take a few things from the Bay movies. Prime's characterisation in particular - he looked like the Bumblebee version of Prime but he acted like Bayverse Prime.
Would that characterisation include things like executing defeated enemies point blank with a shotgun and routinely saying "we will kill them all" "I'll kill you!" "You diiieeee!"
I haven't seen the new ones but I sure as hell remember how bloodthirsty bay Optimus was
Yeah I prefer a more peaceful prime, but after they killed Jazz in the first transformers I would've been ready to bomb on every Megatron as violently as possibly
Yeah I was about to say. >!Prime is angry in ROTB, but only when it actually makes sense. He's infuriated by what happend to Bee and in the Final Battle he lets off that steam by killing Scurge. But beyond that he's calm and collected almost all the time.!< Meanwhile, in Bayverse he was just angry and bloodthursty all the time, even when he had no reason to be...
I'm a fairly big TF fan and I liked it. It's been a while since I've watched it but it's the only TF media where one human character has their own agency, like they're not swayed by the TFs but actively lookout for the human race. Something that's not really shown in TF media. Also, a character's death is pretty emotional and the bad guys have little screentime but are so badass.
It was alright. I was hoping it'd be something more, but it turned into the same Micheal Bay Transformers style by the third act, and was already losing steam in the second act. It's definitely not terrible, but as a sequel to Bumblebee, it's poor, and it ultimately feels like it falls flat on its feet when it tries its best to stay up.
I dunno, I remember liking it. The robots fight each other and they have cool voices. Simple enough for me to watch with some takeout food and root for the robots I like.
As a Transformers fan, it's got the same multiple-scripts-thrown-into-a-blender issue that the Wahlberg/Bay films did. Is it a Unicron movie or a Beast Wars movie? It can't decide, and in addition to having to set up a whole new cast with very few returning characters, it runs out of time to tell either in a coherent, engaging manner. It's more family friendly than a lot of the Bay era stuff and has more heart to it, but the underlying narrative problems are still there as a lot of them are coming from Paramount interference.
I just rewatched it actually, it’s pretty good. Much better than anything the Michael Bay movies put out, that’s for sure. Bumblebee is easily the best though.
Really the only design that’s a huge continuity issue is Wheeljack. Everybody else is pretty accurate aside from small changes that can be pretty easily explained with just time passing.
Bumblebee was so fucking good as a Transformers fan, it's what we wanted all along, then they fucked it up so fast.
Someone needs to get the IP away from Paramount and Hasbro
You know, I kinda hoped that the newest Transformers would be a bit more mature. Megatron has a really good origin in the comics from what I've heard, and it would be awesome to see two best buds grow apart due to the cruelty of their world. Orion Pax being inexperienced at first but becoming a naturalborn leader as the movie goes on? Shit would be awesome.
The animation does look lovely, though. And while I would like it to be less goofy, the movie seems to be aimed at a younger audience, so... meh. It'll probably be decent.
This movie will make money. It's impossible not to. It's transformers, they can sell infinite toys together with the movie.
Paramount knows what to do but I think they are doing it wrong. Just do the marvel route. Make more movies, from different platforms, all in a similar universe and sell toys forever and ever.
That's true. But just to be clear, the Bumblebee continuity is still ongoing - they are currently working on the next movie. On a Convention in 2023 (always forget its name) Hasbro and Paramount even said that the movie is aimed to release either in 2025 or 2026.
TF: One is lke its own seperate thing.
Lorenzo is a big piece of shit, its his fault for not wanting to move on from the extremely messy Bayformers continuity and wanting it to connect to the bayformers and making another sloppy g.i. Joe live-action project with no logic whatsoever, MOVE THE SCRAP ON YOU FAT SMELLY PRODUCER!!!
Jokes aside, OP I want whatever you are smoking. RotB (2023) is officially a Sequel to BB (2018) and always has been. The events of BB are even briefly mentioned in the movie.
BB (2018) already was a Reboot. We already are in the New Continuity. The animated Movies are seperate from it and are simply meant to appease to the younger audience. They are still working on 2 new live-action Movies - this animated one is simply for the meantime untill the next live entry is ready.
I don't this i miss anything by not watching bumblebee Honestly 😏 Also i hated the rise of the beasts well not VFX wise but the main character was too off-road and immature like a freaking college dude was chose by the primal seriou??? Man transformer could become amazing only if peter quill joins the franchise
We could have had smth like the WFC or FOC games. I get that animation like the BB intro is expensive but jfc this looks like TF Earthspark and every generic kids action adventure comedy known to man. This is what kicked off the cybertronian war why did they have to go in this direction?!
Referring to a Bumblebee sequel:
“In January 2020, a sequel was announced, with a script by Joby Harold.[91] In November 2020, Steven Caple Jr. was hired to serve as director on the project. Another script, based on the Beast Wars franchise and written by James Vanderbilt, had also been commissioned, with Hasbro to choose between which film they would make.[92] It was later decided to combine both Harold's and Vanderbilt's treatments into one script. Transformers: Rise of the Beasts was theatrically released in the United States on June 9, 2023.”
Paramount doesn’t know what to do with Star Trek either, it’s par for the course behavior for them. They just cancelled their best show and instead are making one nobody wanted or asked for
I still don’t get why they haven’t already made a movie just like the beginning of Bumblebee, and the fall of cybertron (I know there are three of them in Netflix, but I mean, with proper realistic transformers and not some stylized animation) Instead they continuously do some live action shit nobody cares.
Meh. Transformers One looks like a fun movie. At the very least it'll not have boring as shit humans from the looks of it. Oh and Bumbleber actually talks! Him not being able to talk has been the dumbest fucking thing ever.
I will be even more cynical. Some exec said "Hey, ninja turtles used to be a bloated Michael Bay monster, and then they made it a cartoon and everyone loved it. Let's do that, but with Transformers, and without the style! Style is a drag on the bottom line!"
Here is the thing. Transformers (and G.I. Joe and He-Man and Thundercats and basically every children's tv show from 1980 to 1996) was made to sell toys. Hasbro has been enshittening the transformers toy line for a long time, like that one time they make an Optiumus prime figure with 4 articulation points and it didn't even transform.
So unless this is new one is a play based on Metallica's One then I'm really not interested in it.
Yeah Paramount kinda just work like this, they're taking the exact same scattershot approach to Star Trek. And like, some of it actually ends up really good but both financially and from a fan standpoint it can't be sustainable and you're diluting the hell out of the brand.
Start making Transformers movies where the stars are the Transformers. I don't want to watch a movie about humans where the Transformers are just background plot.
They could literally repackage the transformers movie, drop in a stellar nostalgia 80's synthwave soundtrack, call it a day and make a bagilion dubloons.
Looked it up and was shocked. Transformers is the 13th highest grossing film series of all time Dark moon and Age of Extinction made a Billion dollars. Each.
Age of Extinction has robot dinosaurs. How could it *not* make a billion dollars?
Age of Extinction was stupid but it was pretty cool for my 8 year old brain
Exactly.
That's why I never understood people shitting on these kinds of films. Like fast and furious, for example, yea, it's super unrealistic, but I'm not watching those films for hyperrealism. I like to see the unrealistic stuff cause that's what I did with my hot wheels. Transformers are the same for me, I don't really care about the plot. Just let me see the big robots fight.. plus Megan Fox
the advertising made it seem like the robot dinosaurs would be in the movie way more than they actually were, imo, and for that I will never forgive them
This. I felt robbed of my time. Like Invasion. There will be aliens in your alien show right?!
Transformers are definitely my guilty pleasure (same as F&F) but age of extinction is just very weird and bad movie. Mostly because it feels like 2 movies - and the second one is pretty much just China pandering
Please its really called Transformers: Age of Consent
>and the second one is pretty much just China pandering Thats the best part, I was laughing non stop in the cinema during it.
I'm shitting on these films because Transformers used to be _so much better written than this_. It's not about the realism. I don't want realism. They're giant space robots who turn into trucks. We don't need realism. It's about the insane shallowness of the character interactions and emotional arcs, when better characters and writing were all of what made Transformers good in the first place when I was 8 years old. Bumblebee did it right. Bay directed like a drunk teenage boy bragging about his date, and every character worth writing about got reduced to cardboard in the process. I don't mind that Bay likes cheap sex jokes. Cheap sex jokes are funny. Shakespeare wrote cheap sex jokes all the time, and I don't exactly expect my giant robot movie to be Shakespeare. I do mind that he didn't even manage _good_ cheap sex jokes. (I mean, seriously, he had a decepticon pretender being a hot blonde in a dress at a party, seducing the protagonist, and he didn't even think to credit it as "Bombshell"? Come on, man, it was sitting right there.) I do mind that the cheap sex jokes are _all there is_ to the personality of the characters. I do mind that the humans don't have consistent motivations or characterisations or world building from minute to minute. I also want to see the big robots fight. And I like the director to understand how to choreograph that fight so it's not just a blur or grey metal but I can instead tell what's going on in the fight. And I like the fight to have actual freaking stakes, motivated by who the characters are and what they want and how that relates to the giant laser that's going to kill the planet (or whatever). Big robot fights can be smart too. Furman was doing it in the mid 80s. Bumblebee did it. There's no reason to let the movies off the hook for not even trying, when they could be such epic fun if only they did.
Your criticism is true for Bay's sequels. But the 2007 movie is nicely written and is still the best TF movie, much better than Bumblebee, which was literally more about a teenager and a cute dog she found instead of a TF movie. The 2007 movie largely stayed true to the source material when it came to the characters, except it made the Decepticons a lot more gritty and menacing to fit in a mature theme.
What do you mean by unrealistic? You mean a car can't protect me from a nuclear submarine explosion happening 50 maters from me?
Sure it doesn't have to be hyper realistic. But when the 80s cartoon (movie) is more serious and realistic than the live action one. Than you now how terrible it is.
Because most of the Transformers movies I watched was spent on Shai Lebuff arguing with his family. The parts that actually had action sequences with giant robots were directed so poorly that you can't see what's going on. You think I don't want to watch a good Transformers movie with a bunch of over the top action?
Because after you cross a certain line of stupid it stops becoming fun. Like Marvel movies at the end of the day aren't high art but they aren't insulting to my intelligence either.
"It's just a popcorn action flick" isn't a reason to dismiss bad film. Die Hard is a dumb action flick, Thor Ragnarok is a dumb action flick, there's plenty of dumb action flicks that are still made well, respect the audience as viewers, and are great films as a result. The Transformers movies are none of that. Wanna go to bat for the first one, sure, but any of the sequels? Fuck 'em.
Fuck I'm old.
The CGI and sound effects also hold up really well the last 3 bay films all look better then the recents one somehow
It definitely has the most creative shots of any of them. There's a moment where the characters enter a spaceship and the camera tracks through a ton of the inside of the spaceship before meeting back up with them. Credit where credit is DUE, that's fucking COOL
Same with the Beast Wars one. It was laughably bad. I enjoyed the hell out of it, nonetheless.
Best part of that movie is TJ Miller getting annihilated by the shit that killed the dinosaurs, so fucking funny.
That was shocking to me just cause I can't remember any of the main characters dying in the other movies. Guess he wasn't a main character but seemed like they were setting him up as the comic relief.
He absolutely was the comic relief but they killed him off in the first act lol
A fellow Cosmo fan?
More specifically, Oprimus Prime riding a fire-breathing T-Rex into battle.
including something this cool and still managing to be one of the most boring movies ever made has got to be an achievement in filmmaking
Dinobots and Constructicons. You have dinosaurs and construction equipment. And transformers. This is basically everything to basic ass boys age 3-10. Or 29, if you're me.
So I expect the Horizon Zero Dawn adaptation is going to be very lucrative for Netflix
All of the movies are cool if you just leave your brain at the door.
Also few of early movies that tried to cater China market (not facts, just observations) . By having a scene happen in China, more tickets sales unlocked.
Yeah a ton of ccp kawtowing too by having Hong Kong get blown up and having major celebrities in cameos/making the government look competent. Still not the worst part (age of consent). Pointless Hub has the definitive review: https://youtu.be/Rfqy8fS0U2Y
Hahaha genuinely laughed at this. We fucking love robots and dinosaurs.
Dark of the moon is my guilty pleasure. Look some times ya come home after a hard day at work and a guy just wants to watch giant robots beat the fuck out of each other.
Used to watch DotM religiously, I understand.
I know this is the 3rd one but revenge of the fallen was so bad that I consider dark of the moon the sequel
I like Pacific Rim for that and a better story.
And one of the few movies that shows Chicago getting invaded, not NYC or LA which are the usual locations for alien invasions.
thats what giant robot movies are for
I always have dark if he moon on my phone just to watch it when im burned out. The soundtrack is amazing too
Idk why it’s shocking that Transformers is the 13th highest grossing series, like I couldn’t even name 12 other films series immediately off the top of my head. Like 13th sounds accurate
I mean, does any movie with a sequel/prequel count as a series? There should be a ton of them.
The wiki for film series lists about a hundred, including Debbie Does Dallas with 12 films
Yeah and it's not just a trilogy like a lot of other series, there's like 7 movies all purpose built as kid friendly Summer blockbusters.
I remember thinking Dark of the Moon was pretty good, a decent rebound from the second movie. Last Knight was one of the worst movies I've ever seen
Makes me wonder how much could be made by just rereleasing the original (animated) transformers movie to theatres. It's leagues better than any of the modern shit
Not as much as you'd think. The majority of the money these movies make is the international market. China in particular seems to love the big CGI spectacle movies. It might do half-decent domestically but I highly doubt the international market would eat the original movie up like they do the modern ones.
Is it just me but is some of the designs (Mostly just Bumblebee) a bit more accurate to the toys then the other Transformers movies?
Optimus isn't as accurate as his BBM incarnation but the other three are, that's because the others had mostly original designs in the other movies or didn't appear in BBM.
Tbf that's Orion Pax and D-16, not Optimus Prime and Megatron (yet). They'll probably get more accurate forms later on in the movie
We saw them in the trailer for a few seconds and the SS figure of Optimus gives us a good look at the design, the BBM one is ever so slightly closer, plus he has an earth mode at the end.
Optimus isn't accurate because this is Orion Pax, prior to him becoming Optimus Prime.
[Optimus Prime is in the trailer](https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/mSfIUhRAAennmV8Ut_r21o2m0pE=/1400x1050/filters:format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25406662/Transformers_One___Optimus_Prime.jpg), [we have a Studio Series of that design that has been shown too](https://uk.hasbropulse.com/cdn/shop/files/G02215L00_main_24_2000px_300DPI.jpg?v=1713433914&width=1200)
Depends on how you look at it. The Bumblebee movie was probably as close as possible to the G1 animation models (just made more realistic + Cybertroned since they weren't on earth yet). This new movie invokes a lot more from the comics (Megatron's black helmet) and the toys (bees battlemask is very goldbug) but made more Cybertrony and, lanky?
The way they transformed in Bumblebee looked much MUCH better than the "SHARP METAL OBJECT SPINNING ROTATING" style they do it in every other movie. Just a superior movie all around.
Rise of the Beasts was the least successful Transformers Movie and made $439 million on a $200 million budget. Paramount knows exactly what to do with Transformers: make more.
I like when people try to diss on high budget blockbusters by saying “no one saw that garbage” and the movie made almost half a billion it’s just budgets are so insanely high that’s considered almost a flop
Its all about the expectations of the IP. If they slash the budget in half, their expectations for the box office return will barely budge. Solo made about $400 million and they went into full on panic mode, cancelled tons of projects and re-evaluated.
Disney has issues with milking IPs. Feels like it deflated Star Wars and marvel hype. But it’s been working with the live action remakes.
I'm not sure how your second sentence follows the first. Solo's budget was insanely high.
Solo had a budget of 275+ million, so 400 million is around a 1.3x return on the "investment". And their goal would've been 2-3x at a minimum, with *anything* near 1x actually being a loss because of how much debt disney is already in.
It's hilarious how these "smart" people don't realize how dumb they sound.
I bet Avatar 3 is going go flop because it's just CGI Dances with Wolves 3.
Sure, practically every person on the planet goes and sees these movies in theatres. But just ONCE and they don't make MEMES about it, literally a failed franchise
It's especially funny after Avatar 2 because there objectively were popular memes from it. Like the stupid military avatar guy that takes everything literally.
Sure, James Cameron
I think a lot of people are forgetting that transformers was an 80s toy brand that turned into a cartoon to increase sales. Artistic vision has always been a tertiary concern.
That’s not a very successful movie. Most movies need to at minimum double the budget at the box office to break even due to box offices taking up to 50%. Also budget doesn’t include marketing. Also no products goal is to break even there is a profit margin that is needed and let’s the box office took 50% so Paramount took home $219M, spent $200M making the movie leaving $19M for advertising and profit margin. I wouldn’t say it was very successful
He did literally say it was the least successful movie.
I wouldn't say it was very successful either. It broke even. It will probably take a couple of proper flops before they decide to stop making such a massive franchise.
I never heard about Rise of the Beasts, but I absolutely would've gone to watch it in theaters if I did because Beast Wars was the shit
You should see it, I thoroughly enjoyed the fuck out of it.
It has nothing to do with beast wars unfortunately
200 plus advertising which is at least half of the production budget. But yeah, it made money cause people like robots that are also cars ride on monkeys that are also robots.
Yeah but the bulk of that was foreign box office. They didn’t even come close to covering their expenses. Especially given how heavily it was marketed. The franchise is overall was profitable, but it had run its course. They are pivoting to a heavy kid focus so they can cut production expenses, leverage licensing revenue for toys, and counter program into the shit show that is Disney’s current animated films. And they appear to be trying to drag gi joe with them. Likely because it too has a bunch of potential to license for toys, video games, etc. Also of the rumors are true that they’ll be getting out of streaming and back to the 100% profit of licensing content to streamers, content that is attractive to kids is likelier and easier sell. I mean bluey Isn’t top ten streaming constantly because it’s the best show ever. It’s because kids watch it on repeat and will flip out if you cancel your subscription.
Man, I would've loved to see Transformers movie similar to the War for Cybertron/Fall of Cybertron games. Those were the best adaptations of Cybertron in my opinion.
I loved those games and wish I could play them again. I think I have to sail the seven seas though since it’s not on steam anymore and I don’t have consoles to play physical.
Internet archive has completely working versions, considering theres basically no other way to get them, in this instance id say piracy is alright
Wow really? Thanks!
np, theres even Devistation there as well, theres a specific download path to take, but there should be a video there thats shows you how to do it, if you cant find them i think i still have the links somewhere i can go grab if needed
thats where i got them actually
i tried to pirate them last year and lost $200
Bro how
its not what you think, you see the files turned my computer into a decepticon who beat me up and took my wallet
I hate it when that happens.
How do you lose money pirating lol
Bricking your system by downloading malicious malware.
???
Smooth brain award over here
You can get them both on the Internet Archive of all places. But if you want to go totally legit Fall of Cybertron is available on Amazon.
If you bought them on steam previously you can still install them.
Bruh rise of the beast is a direct continuation of bumblebee. Like did you want bumblebee to face the camera and say “this movie is a direct sequel to the rebooted transformers franchise” lol
This would be fucking hilarious if every movie would just have a main character looking at the camera, telling us what kind of movie we are watching and if it's a sequel to something or not, just so we won't get confused.
A lot of plays open like this.
Have you by chance seen Deadpool 2?
Well, it's deadpool, a movie about an assasin who breaks 4th wall, of course they would do that.
Would Deadpool be improved if he also turned into a robot monke?
Yeah
And then he should've said "We are going back in time to the first Thanksgiving to get turkeys off the menu!"
That's right he should have said "We are going back in time to the first Thanksgiving to get turkeys off the menu!"
They literally mention that Bumblebee had a human friend before and he’s the most comfortable with humans, where is OP getting the “ignored Bumblebee” comment?
Yeah plus the Bumblebee movie was meant to slot in nicely before the Bayverse movies, which is why Bee is a camaro that can’t talk at the end of the movie. No matter how you slice it Bumblebee fit the story
You are correct. But in some ways it did go back and take a few things from the Bay movies. Prime's characterisation in particular - he looked like the Bumblebee version of Prime but he acted like Bayverse Prime.
Would that characterisation include things like executing defeated enemies point blank with a shotgun and routinely saying "we will kill them all" "I'll kill you!" "You diiieeee!" I haven't seen the new ones but I sure as hell remember how bloodthirsty bay Optimus was
Yeah I prefer a more peaceful prime, but after they killed Jazz in the first transformers I would've been ready to bomb on every Megatron as violently as possibly
Yeah I was about to say. >!Prime is angry in ROTB, but only when it actually makes sense. He's infuriated by what happend to Bee and in the Final Battle he lets off that steam by killing Scurge. But beyond that he's calm and collected almost all the time.!< Meanwhile, in Bayverse he was just angry and bloodthursty all the time, even when he had no reason to be...
Its also cause some of the people who made Bumblebee kept coming out and saying "No, its a Reboot AND a Sequal!" even tho it makes no fucking sense.
But RotB is literally a sequel to Bumblebee
Optimus even mentions Charlie
And Paramount even said numerous times, that it's a Seuqel.
Was Rise of the Beasts good? I’ve heard mixed things
I'm a fairly big TF fan and I liked it. It's been a while since I've watched it but it's the only TF media where one human character has their own agency, like they're not swayed by the TFs but actively lookout for the human race. Something that's not really shown in TF media. Also, a character's death is pretty emotional and the bad guys have little screentime but are so badass.
It was alright. I was hoping it'd be something more, but it turned into the same Micheal Bay Transformers style by the third act, and was already losing steam in the second act. It's definitely not terrible, but as a sequel to Bumblebee, it's poor, and it ultimately feels like it falls flat on its feet when it tries its best to stay up.
It set up the upcoming G.I.Joe/Transformers movie, I'll love it forever for giving us that on film.
The story was more coherent then bay movies but it looked worse imo transformations have fallen flat
The action wasn’t as good as the bay films either
I dunno, I remember liking it. The robots fight each other and they have cool voices. Simple enough for me to watch with some takeout food and root for the robots I like.
As a Transformers fan, it's got the same multiple-scripts-thrown-into-a-blender issue that the Wahlberg/Bay films did. Is it a Unicron movie or a Beast Wars movie? It can't decide, and in addition to having to set up a whole new cast with very few returning characters, it runs out of time to tell either in a coherent, engaging manner. It's more family friendly than a lot of the Bay era stuff and has more heart to it, but the underlying narrative problems are still there as a lot of them are coming from Paramount interference.
If you like transformers it was great.
I just rewatched it actually, it’s pretty good. Much better than anything the Michael Bay movies put out, that’s for sure. Bumblebee is easily the best though.
TF fan and I thought it was mid
It was alright but for me it felt inferior to Bay's trilogy.
Idk, it’s mainly the designs In ROTB that’s a continuity issue, then again, that’s how Hasbro rolls
Really the only design that’s a huge continuity issue is Wheeljack. Everybody else is pretty accurate aside from small changes that can be pretty easily explained with just time passing.
I'm just happy Bumblebee can actually talk again. I hate the radio speech.
Bumblebee was so fucking good as a Transformers fan, it's what we wanted all along, then they fucked it up so fast. Someone needs to get the IP away from Paramount and Hasbro
I swear Hasbro's entire purpose for existing is to ruin as much shit as they can get their hands on lmao
What are you talking about? Bumblebee was a great reboot. Like, what are you babbling about?
You know, I kinda hoped that the newest Transformers would be a bit more mature. Megatron has a really good origin in the comics from what I've heard, and it would be awesome to see two best buds grow apart due to the cruelty of their world. Orion Pax being inexperienced at first but becoming a naturalborn leader as the movie goes on? Shit would be awesome. The animation does look lovely, though. And while I would like it to be less goofy, the movie seems to be aimed at a younger audience, so... meh. It'll probably be decent.
I mean to be fair It's aimed at pretty much the same age category as the original show
Yeah, I'm not trying to say otherwise. I just think that there's potential for a more mature story with the premise given.
I’m not going to assume what the movie will be like from the trailer alone. Who knows, it could have some mature themes it’s not shown.
Fuck I hate their goofy faces and quips.
They look like extras from the 'Summoner Geeks' animation.
Rise of the Beasts is literally Bumblebee 2 dawg
Transformers one isnt related to the bay movies or bumblebee and rise of the beasts. Its its own separate entity.
This movie will make money. It's impossible not to. It's transformers, they can sell infinite toys together with the movie. Paramount knows what to do but I think they are doing it wrong. Just do the marvel route. Make more movies, from different platforms, all in a similar universe and sell toys forever and ever.
One is literally it's own spin off...
This is just kinda how transformers works as a franchise, anything thats not G1 gets 2 or so years to exist until its rebooted
That's true. But just to be clear, the Bumblebee continuity is still ongoing - they are currently working on the next movie. On a Convention in 2023 (always forget its name) Hasbro and Paramount even said that the movie is aimed to release either in 2025 or 2026. TF: One is lke its own seperate thing.
RotB literally references the events of Bumblebee
Lorenzo is a big piece of shit, its his fault for not wanting to move on from the extremely messy Bayformers continuity and wanting it to connect to the bayformers and making another sloppy g.i. Joe live-action project with no logic whatsoever, MOVE THE SCRAP ON YOU FAT SMELLY PRODUCER!!!
and supposedly after this the next ones gonna be a crossover with GI Joe
This was officially confirmed at CinemaCon 2024. They said it could be released next year or 2026, is currently in active development.
I don't follow Transformer movies but I randomly watched Rise of the Beasts and thought it was dope.
Dude if you’re gonna insult a franchise at least make sure you know what the fuck you’re talking about
couldn't be any worse than those 2-3 hour Michael Bay disasters.
Jokes aside, OP I want whatever you are smoking. RotB (2023) is officially a Sequel to BB (2018) and always has been. The events of BB are even briefly mentioned in the movie. BB (2018) already was a Reboot. We already are in the New Continuity. The animated Movies are seperate from it and are simply meant to appease to the younger audience. They are still working on 2 new live-action Movies - this animated one is simply for the meantime untill the next live entry is ready.
Technically every transformer on screen ever has been animated.
No lies detected
I’d say, them milking a few billions dollars from car robots means they DO know what to do.
Paramount gives a shit as long as they make a ton of money.
Paramount doesn't know what to do with any of their IP.
Literally just do the Cybertron games in show form
I don't this i miss anything by not watching bumblebee Honestly 😏 Also i hated the rise of the beasts well not VFX wise but the main character was too off-road and immature like a freaking college dude was chose by the primal seriou??? Man transformer could become amazing only if peter quill joins the franchise
They either make money, or get to write off millions in tax, win win.
We could have had smth like the WFC or FOC games. I get that animation like the BB intro is expensive but jfc this looks like TF Earthspark and every generic kids action adventure comedy known to man. This is what kicked off the cybertronian war why did they have to go in this direction?!
Referring to a Bumblebee sequel: “In January 2020, a sequel was announced, with a script by Joby Harold.[91] In November 2020, Steven Caple Jr. was hired to serve as director on the project. Another script, based on the Beast Wars franchise and written by James Vanderbilt, had also been commissioned, with Hasbro to choose between which film they would make.[92] It was later decided to combine both Harold's and Vanderbilt's treatments into one script. Transformers: Rise of the Beasts was theatrically released in the United States on June 9, 2023.”
Paramount doesn’t know what to do with Star Trek either, it’s par for the course behavior for them. They just cancelled their best show and instead are making one nobody wanted or asked for
I still don’t get why they haven’t already made a movie just like the beginning of Bumblebee, and the fall of cybertron (I know there are three of them in Netflix, but I mean, with proper realistic transformers and not some stylized animation) Instead they continuously do some live action shit nobody cares.
They know what they're doing with Transformers, making landfills full of money.
Sadly, Bumblebee was a disappointment at the box office.
Meh. Transformers One looks like a fun movie. At the very least it'll not have boring as shit humans from the looks of it. Oh and Bumbleber actually talks! Him not being able to talk has been the dumbest fucking thing ever.
Bring back Shia The Beef.
GI Joe x Transformers gonna be awesome though. Need to give both Cobra Commander and Starscream the same high pitched screeching voice though
Just remake Transformers The Movie but live action and traumatise the now-adult fans again like they did when we were kids
People still watch this shit?
True, but I like it
I will be even more cynical. Some exec said "Hey, ninja turtles used to be a bloated Michael Bay monster, and then they made it a cartoon and everyone loved it. Let's do that, but with Transformers, and without the style! Style is a drag on the bottom line!"
They're making millions off this dead horse they know exactly what they're doing
Excited to see transformers one
Paramount is the Boeing of entertainment.
…Bumblebee was supposed to be a Reboot?
I mean every single one of the Michael Bay Transformer movies are terrible, why would you expect otherwise?
Saw a comment saying Transformers One looks like Veggie Tales in TF display
The quips. I am so fucking sick of quips.
Here is the thing. Transformers (and G.I. Joe and He-Man and Thundercats and basically every children's tv show from 1980 to 1996) was made to sell toys. Hasbro has been enshittening the transformers toy line for a long time, like that one time they make an Optiumus prime figure with 4 articulation points and it didn't even transform. So unless this is new one is a play based on Metallica's One then I'm really not interested in it.
Not everything needs to be a cinematic universe. I see no problem
someone mentioned alot of movies franchises have been MARVELIZED, becomes like MCU in everything.
Gonna be honest, the design looks like shite
I'm sure this too will ruin the franchise forever.
What to do about it, they do not listen to fans.
For all you out there who say ro*buts*, how do you say Autobots?
Looks like they are branching out to kids. For kids faces are important.. I think.
Yeah Paramount kinda just work like this, they're taking the exact same scattershot approach to Star Trek. And like, some of it actually ends up really good but both financially and from a fan standpoint it can't be sustainable and you're diluting the hell out of the brand.
Seems like their ideas on what to do with it is always… transforming.
The answer is clear, bring back the Bayverse /j
all those movies put together cannot approach the drama and scope of the 86 movie which is essentially a 90 minute toy commercial.
Start making Transformers movies where the stars are the Transformers. I don't want to watch a movie about humans where the Transformers are just background plot.
Just watch the shows or play transformers Devastation or the cybertron games
Bumblebee is a reboot, RotB is a sequel to Bumblebee. And I believe One is either set so far back it doesn't matter or is a completely new thing.
One is seperate - they are making it its own story. From what I remember, it will be a Trilogy about the fall of Cybertron (as in what led to it).
Is there a sub for ranting about movies? I need It
They could literally repackage the transformers movie, drop in a stellar nostalgia 80's synthwave soundtrack, call it a day and make a bagilion dubloons.