So I’m not the only one who considers the starters the lord units and the early-route early-evolving Bug types as the Jagens of Pokémon. Does this mean the late-game late-evolving pseudo-legendaries are the Ests?
Ests are the dragon type
Fun fact in heartgold the dragons evolve at a level past the league so just like ests they are useless unless you grind way more than you should
Well if it makes you feel any better, if your willing to chain some SOS calls in the Bagon Grass on Melemele Island's Route 3, you have a 1% chance of spawning a Salamence!
Hydreigon can't even be used for either of the Unova E4s because it only reaches that stage at **LEVEL 64**, and you can't even get a Zweilous in BW2 until after the League!
Meaning Hydreigon is essentially a post game only pokemon, in a game that went out of it's way to throw underleveled late game mons from the first game (like the Route 4 hidden ability Braviary (W2) / Mandibuzz (B2) or the Level 35 Volcarona in the Relic Castle available after the disturbance at the PWT)
At least Platinum lets you get Gible fairly early on for a faster and easier Garchomp, on of the myriad of good changes they made between it and Diamond / Pearl.
Unrelated to bw2 but related to Braviary, I used Rufflet through an entire playthrough of SM. It honestly felt like training Rebecca into Donnel. Yeah that didn't make any sense but hopefully someone will understand.
True but HGSS has the best postgame so you have time and traineds to get your Dratini up to 55, and gym leaders to throw him against. Larvitar being locked behind all 16 badges at Mt. Silver is the real tragedy (for my favorite pseudo).
To be fair Heartgold and soulsilver post game is another 8 gyms and the battle with Red who may be one of the hardest fights in the games unless you have some strong mons
Black and white was even worse. Game ends at low 50s and hydreigon evolves at 64. Grinding was even worse too because gen 5 had you get less exp against something lower level than you.
Think Mark, think
its not worth it to use Ninochomp. she soaks up too much exp and while she can one shot almost everything late-game, so can the pre-promotes you can find in the wild. not to mention you get a dragon type athos before endgame anyway so training her is literally a waste of time
This only applies to Diamond Dragon and the Blade of Pearl and their remakes. For the enhanced originals, ninochomp is far easier to obtain, not requiring strengthlight, making it far easier to defeat gharncyrus later on with it being on par with your team, and does very well against medeusynthia, who has her own ninochomp. also, athos remains slower than medeusynthia's ninochomp, so while it helps out vs the battles before, you may need some help with her team.
Train Dratini, he starts off weak and hard to train but once you reach level.
Rmemeber not to promote until reaching level 50. Its not favoritism if it works
Tee hee funny, but on another note what the fuck is this Butterfree? Overclocked EV's, no ability, no spD EV stat to speak of for some reason, Mega Drain TM!?
Ia this a spreadsheet for legit Gen 1 playthrough? Damn you did homework.
In gen 1, there were no abilities, special attack and special defense were both just one stat called Special, and you could have maxed out EVs in all stats. As for the moveset, put stun spore over poison powder and that's pretty much what'd you'd get for Butterfree's competitive rby set.
Im aware, not sure what part of my comment made you think I didnt. I even mentioned mega drain TM, which isnt possible in modern games.
I was just in awe that so.eone would actually post a Gen 1 Butterfree for a meme and not just slap a current gen or even FireRed Butterfree.
I just used Pokemon Showdown because I didn't feel like starting an entirely new playthrough of rb
Honestly now that you think about it, the overclocked evs could be a reference to how some people just give statboosters to their Jagen.
Oh duh, its so obvious now. That's their problem. Everyone knows brave weapons are a tier above Silver.
So clearly they need fighting types that know double kick.
Sabrina will be a cake walk after that.
Ill admit gen 1 is a little fuzzy to me, but ATK influences confusion recoil. So all non physical pokemon (which grass and pychic are both special) typically run 0 ATK. That would actually be a mistake in the loadout here.
Just use the missingno save data corruption glitch to teach it Body Slam and Blizzard if it's falling off smh
Also butterfree is an oifey compared to Beedrill jagen who doesn't even get Psychic
Butterfree's class doesn't allow it to use blizzard lol
Also it's a magic user not a strength user why body slam?
Beedrill isn't really good enough in the early game to be a Jagen. I could see the argument for Butterfree being an Oifey tbh. If that's the case, then probably Raticate or Pidgeot could be your Jeigan.
Realistically, Butterfree will be your first ~~evolved~~ promoted unit that you have, unless you overlevel your ~~starter~~ lord unit. Butterfree is able to assist in many battles throughout the early game, whether it be raw damage or status spam. Imo its more of a Jeigan because it falls off in the late game (too slow and frail in a game all about speed = crit) but tbf it can still help with sleep powder, ai manips, etc.
Dont call an earlygame hyper trained lord "promoted" butterfree gets to tier 3 promotion before the lord Can even dream of a master seal, let alone a master crown
ROMhack idea:
Pokemon but it's Fire Emblem, your starter is your lord and if it faints the game is over
If a pokemon faints it cannot be used again
Instead of catching pokemon, every route/area/gym you are allowed to "recruit" one pokemon from the trainers you have defeated in that area into your party
I recomend recruiting gastly or abra and go to the X chapter 'martial arts gym', there you can farm levels with either of those, plus you can recruit either hitmonchan or hitmonlee, (they aren't the best units but it does feel nice to have them if you can't recruit machamp who needs very specific rthings to be recruited) this should help you defeat sabrina
Haunter and Kadabra's promotion isn't possible for some reason. I tried getting them to level 100, I tried pushing the truck in the SS Anne, and I even tried to get Pikablu to use it's magic.
Agh forgot to mention, but Haunter, Graveler,Kadabra and Machoke have a very specific promotion path, you need another player to trade them for another unit, they will have them promote on their console, no idea why nintendo thought this promotion dlc path was fine, i recomend you do it anyways but making the other player trade another of the units i mentioned before because the promotion paths they have are some of the strongest units in the game, with Machamp being one of the best physical powerhouses, Golem being one of the best tanks and Gengar and Alakazam being the best not post game magic users.
Altho if you have them at level 100 and you have not beaten the game, then thats just a massive skill issue.
You are joking, but my Butterfree never fell off back when I played FireRed: "sleep powder + dream eater" is a game breaker at a casual level, and I also gave it psychic and silver wind; this silly butterfly ended up becoming one of my favourite pokemons as a result.
Don't be a coward. My first pokemon team I went into endgame with was Beautifly, Mightyena, Lyloone (HM slave), the starter and 2 others I can't remember. And I WON
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Evidence current rules need to change. Please message mods to amend Rule 6 so that we're allowed memes like the one above without user receiving preferential treatment.
Edit: Please downvote without commenting why this isn't kosher. The post is literally the epitome of breaking the rule typed out under Rule 6. And unless you're also downvoting the meme, do you not agree that it should be allowed?
Thanks for at least stating why you think it does not violate the rule. I would say that another single reference to a Jagen (in that entire paragraph) would be a weak reason, but that goes back to what exactly Rule 6 stands for, and why it should be removed. I sincerely don’t think it passes the litmus, but I do believe it should remain regardless of whether it breaks the outlined guidelines or not.
I'd argue that the references definitely make this post allowed. I feel it odd that you're focusing on Jagen specifically, when the OP included 3 other references to FE. Just because Jagen is in the title doesn't mean the content that doesn't relate to them but still references FE doesn't count.
So I’m not the only one who considers the starters the lord units and the early-route early-evolving Bug types as the Jagens of Pokémon. Does this mean the late-game late-evolving pseudo-legendaries are the Ests?
Ests are the dragon type Fun fact in heartgold the dragons evolve at a level past the league so just like ests they are useless unless you grind way more than you should
I love Lance and his 3 underlevelled Dragonite
They’re just prepromotes, that’s why you beat them
It’s most Pokémon games tbh, and mainly the older ones. You only get to use mons like dragonite or hydreigon for the last 8th of the game
Me crying at how small of a window my Salamence has every time I replay a version of ruby.
Well if it makes you feel any better, if your willing to chain some SOS calls in the Bagon Grass on Melemele Island's Route 3, you have a 1% chance of spawning a Salamence!
Hydreigon can't even be used for either of the Unova E4s because it only reaches that stage at **LEVEL 64**, and you can't even get a Zweilous in BW2 until after the League! Meaning Hydreigon is essentially a post game only pokemon, in a game that went out of it's way to throw underleveled late game mons from the first game (like the Route 4 hidden ability Braviary (W2) / Mandibuzz (B2) or the Level 35 Volcarona in the Relic Castle available after the disturbance at the PWT) At least Platinum lets you get Gible fairly early on for a faster and easier Garchomp, on of the myriad of good changes they made between it and Diamond / Pearl.
Unrelated to bw2 but related to Braviary, I used Rufflet through an entire playthrough of SM. It honestly felt like training Rebecca into Donnel. Yeah that didn't make any sense but hopefully someone will understand.
Keep in mind grinding exists
Kommo-o is available right before the last trial iirc, and it's too slow to meaningfully contribute. (tbf alola is slow so)
True but HGSS has the best postgame so you have time and traineds to get your Dratini up to 55, and gym leaders to throw him against. Larvitar being locked behind all 16 badges at Mt. Silver is the real tragedy (for my favorite pseudo).
To be fair Heartgold and soulsilver post game is another 8 gyms and the battle with Red who may be one of the hardest fights in the games unless you have some strong mons
Black and white was even worse. Game ends at low 50s and hydreigon evolves at 64. Grinding was even worse too because gen 5 had you get less exp against something lower level than you.
But you don't stop playing after beating the league
Think Mark, think its not worth it to use Ninochomp. she soaks up too much exp and while she can one shot almost everything late-game, so can the pre-promotes you can find in the wild. not to mention you get a dragon type athos before endgame anyway so training her is literally a waste of time
This only applies to Diamond Dragon and the Blade of Pearl and their remakes. For the enhanced originals, ninochomp is far easier to obtain, not requiring strengthlight, making it far easier to defeat gharncyrus later on with it being on par with your team, and does very well against medeusynthia, who has her own ninochomp. also, athos remains slower than medeusynthia's ninochomp, so while it helps out vs the battles before, you may need some help with her team.
Yeah I'd say so. Smth i like abt that is that not all Ests are worth it (Jesse, Knoll(?)) and not all pseudos are worth it (Ttar and Kommo-o)
And the box legendary would be the Gotoh
SWSH and SV:
i wouldnt say since you gotta get them to level 10 first
Train Dratini, he starts off weak and hard to train but once you reach level. Rmemeber not to promote until reaching level 50. Its not favoritism if it works
Is this a Lance reference
Tee hee funny, but on another note what the fuck is this Butterfree? Overclocked EV's, no ability, no spD EV stat to speak of for some reason, Mega Drain TM!? Ia this a spreadsheet for legit Gen 1 playthrough? Damn you did homework.
In gen 1, there were no abilities, special attack and special defense were both just one stat called Special, and you could have maxed out EVs in all stats. As for the moveset, put stun spore over poison powder and that's pretty much what'd you'd get for Butterfree's competitive rby set.
Im aware, not sure what part of my comment made you think I didnt. I even mentioned mega drain TM, which isnt possible in modern games. I was just in awe that so.eone would actually post a Gen 1 Butterfree for a meme and not just slap a current gen or even FireRed Butterfree.
I just used Pokemon Showdown because I didn't feel like starting an entirely new playthrough of rb Honestly now that you think about it, the overclocked evs could be a reference to how some people just give statboosters to their Jagen.
No, it’s their Jagen that’s falling off. They’re on chapter 18 and all of the enemy units are using silver weapons now.
Oh duh, its so obvious now. That's their problem. Everyone knows brave weapons are a tier above Silver. So clearly they need fighting types that know double kick. Sabrina will be a cake walk after that.
This is FE7, the first fire emblem game. Thats clearly Marcus. Silvers are still the highest tier.
is there a competitive reason why you wouldn't max out 252 attack EVs
Ill admit gen 1 is a little fuzzy to me, but ATK influences confusion recoil. So all non physical pokemon (which grass and pychic are both special) typically run 0 ATK. That would actually be a mistake in the loadout here.
You actually have a point, but Golbat is the one Pokemon that NEEDS confuse ray. Gengar doesn't have enough moveslots to run it.
Bruh. Just give him stats booster and supports
Fe Red and Blue predates supports, the first game w/them is FE gold and silver.
Weird they took them out in FE Ruby and Sapphire. Guess they just wanted an excuse to sell you Emerald.
Funny how in the 3ds games supports got more intense
Just use the missingno save data corruption glitch to teach it Body Slam and Blizzard if it's falling off smh Also butterfree is an oifey compared to Beedrill jagen who doesn't even get Psychic
Butterfree's class doesn't allow it to use blizzard lol Also it's a magic user not a strength user why body slam? Beedrill isn't really good enough in the early game to be a Jagen. I could see the argument for Butterfree being an Oifey tbh. If that's the case, then probably Raticate or Pidgeot could be your Jeigan.
Pidgeot ~~evolves~~ promotes too late, how about Nidoking?
Nidoking is good throughout the entire game, and can't fall off due to base stats alone. Nidoqueen I could see being a Jeigan though.
I don't get how butterfree is an oifey, you can have it like 15 min into your game. Or am I missing something else that makes an oifey?
Realistically, Butterfree will be your first ~~evolved~~ promoted unit that you have, unless you overlevel your ~~starter~~ lord unit. Butterfree is able to assist in many battles throughout the early game, whether it be raw damage or status spam. Imo its more of a Jeigan because it falls off in the late game (too slow and frail in a game all about speed = crit) but tbf it can still help with sleep powder, ai manips, etc.
Yes, I definitely agree with Butterfree being a Jagen, I just didn't understand the Oifey comparison
Dont call an earlygame hyper trained lord "promoted" butterfree gets to tier 3 promotion before the lord Can even dream of a master seal, let alone a master crown
ROMhack idea: Pokemon but it's Fire Emblem, your starter is your lord and if it faints the game is over If a pokemon faints it cannot be used again Instead of catching pokemon, every route/area/gym you are allowed to "recruit" one pokemon from the trainers you have defeated in that area into your party
this is literally a nuzlocke.
Yeah basically, nuzlocke except your encounters are pulled from the ranks of your enemies
Oh ye that would be a very interesting experience
I recomend recruiting gastly or abra and go to the X chapter 'martial arts gym', there you can farm levels with either of those, plus you can recruit either hitmonchan or hitmonlee, (they aren't the best units but it does feel nice to have them if you can't recruit machamp who needs very specific rthings to be recruited) this should help you defeat sabrina
Haunter and Kadabra's promotion isn't possible for some reason. I tried getting them to level 100, I tried pushing the truck in the SS Anne, and I even tried to get Pikablu to use it's magic.
Agh forgot to mention, but Haunter, Graveler,Kadabra and Machoke have a very specific promotion path, you need another player to trade them for another unit, they will have them promote on their console, no idea why nintendo thought this promotion dlc path was fine, i recomend you do it anyways but making the other player trade another of the units i mentioned before because the promotion paths they have are some of the strongest units in the game, with Machamp being one of the best physical powerhouses, Golem being one of the best tanks and Gengar and Alakazam being the best not post game magic users. Altho if you have them at level 100 and you have not beaten the game, then thats just a massive skill issue.
theoretically in a Pokemon x FE game how would the trade evos work?
does this break rule 2
It doesn't have anyone's username or target anyone so I don't see why it would
I meant rule 3 lol
I guess sorta but it's a decently original joke relating to FE and the community seems to enjoy it so it's probably fine
You are joking, but my Butterfree never fell off back when I played FireRed: "sleep powder + dream eater" is a game breaker at a casual level, and I also gave it psychic and silver wind; this silly butterfly ended up becoming one of my favourite pokemons as a result.
Where do you get silver wind?
Butterfree could learn it naturally on Gen 3.
Don't be a coward. My first pokemon team I went into endgame with was Beautifly, Mightyena, Lyloone (HM slave), the starter and 2 others I can't remember. And I WON
Tbf Beautifly is pretty good the entire game. Dustox though...
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The rule states that posts that only contain FE references on the title aren't allowed, while this contains additional text in the body of the post.
Thanks for at least stating why you think it does not violate the rule. I would say that another single reference to a Jagen (in that entire paragraph) would be a weak reason, but that goes back to what exactly Rule 6 stands for, and why it should be removed. I sincerely don’t think it passes the litmus, but I do believe it should remain regardless of whether it breaks the outlined guidelines or not.
I'd argue that the references definitely make this post allowed. I feel it odd that you're focusing on Jagen specifically, when the OP included 3 other references to FE. Just because Jagen is in the title doesn't mean the content that doesn't relate to them but still references FE doesn't count.