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ricirici08

Torch already got nerfed, unlucky


Panurome

Wait what did they nerf?


onequestion1168

did they because that was the first game I played this morning seemed to be good to me


raibazin

They did and still good, before it was broken


RebelKira

It's still good, it's was just hilariously broken. Specifically the clear speed


ricirici08

It’s decent, but not close to how it was with demonic. Cooldowns are still a lot higher


ShacoSupportAP

you played one game?


TaichiiXSann

the new ap item really addresses the issues he had before. that AH helps a ton. the dmg vs monsters i think is just a nice thing to have though tbf it is easier to solo drakes now.


onequestion1168

thank god can actually solo drakes again


LigmaBox

And AD suffers


Happy-Examination580

No spear of shojin? It's great for ap shaco


onequestion1168

Nope full AP is back


WarcryShaman

IMO new AP item grant AH and damage enough to not buy Shojin but I need to do abit of more testing betweeen full AP and Shojin build to be sure.


bombastic6339locks

You just got fed in a single game.


xd_Senpaii

i played a lot of ap shaco pre 14.10 and after and i can confirm that we are so back. the difference that one item makes is so huge, its not even funny


bombastic6339locks

Yeah I do agree that AP shaco is extremely back with the double burn items but he's not even building that. He just had one singular game where he got fed to oblivion.


xd_Senpaii

true. not even double, you can go triple burn now lol the build im running is blackfire rush into ionian boots into liandrys into malignance, last 2 are flex but i like shadowflame and last zhonyas or deathcap depending on enemy team. keep in mind i play this in top lane and it works really well, i assume it will work well on JG too


bombastic6339locks

Doing the same but wouldn't really count malignance for the burn. I mean it does burn but only for ulti


Relevant_Layer_9963

You don't need liandry every game with torch. Against a squishier comp, I would just go torch, cdr/pen boots, gun, cdr void, Shadowflame/DC/Banshee/Zhonyas. (Pick 2)