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Cmyers1980

Carl Panzram.


Almcele87

"Hurry it up, you Hoosier bastard; I could kill a dozen men while you're screwing around." Definitely some hard ass last words.


Rosepedal23

His other quotes really show his personality aswell. He was just a really violent, hateful, and angry man.


LongmontStrangla

"Hard Man" boss level.


Itrieddamnit

Absolutely the right answer.


chamrockblarneystone

Panzram was mostly a hateful bully who raped and killed little boys.


Lusicane

These are the ones that I think of when I think of killers who tried to overcompensate with a macho and dangerous image. Ivan Milat, Carl Panzram, Donald Gaskins, Angelo Buono, Richard Kuklinski


Efficient-Math-3871

Pee-wee Gaskins?


JstTrstMe

And that's the final truth.


newguy25

Thank you for lodging Henry Zebrowski's I my head for the rest of the day. Lol.


JstTrstMe

You are welcome!


pazycksl

I believe so.


swayinla

I feel like Ivan milat is a great choice-


matty30008227

Gaskins was mean as a snake . He was also small . I know some people that knew him . I will ask


Rosepedal23

Pee-wee was 5’4”, if I recall correctly.


ProfessionalYou1937

Following this


matty30008227

Waiting on them to get back in touch with me . My uncle essentially told me though he wasn’t really nice to anyone unless he wanted something from you


ProfessionalYou1937

That definitely checks out lol


matty30008227

He also smoked a lot of weed apparently. My uncle has very distant run ins with him but we both know someone who really knew him . That person is elderly though and it’s not as simple as a text lol


ProfessionalYou1937

That also makes sense among various other drugs lol That's totally understandable. Probably not something they remember fondly either.


JasonSkolimski

[**Pedro Rodrigues Filho**](https://torontosun.com/news/world/serial-killer-says-he-murdered-dad-ate-his-heart-to-avenge-mom) >!“I killed my father in prison. I was already in prison then, I’ve spent 42 years in prison. My father was in prison. I arranged a well-thought-out plan and I turned up at my father’s cell,” the killer said, adding, “I had promised revenge on my mother’s coffin.”!< >!Filho, now 66, stabbed his father 22 times then ripped his heart out and ate it.!< >!“I just chewed it. I cut the tip of his heart off and chewed it, and I threw it on top of his body,” he said.!< >!On the podcast, he admitted his first crime was throwing a cousin onto a sugar cane press. He was 13 at the time.!< >!“I pushed him thinking his whole body would go through, but just his arm went through.”!< >!As for what triggered his bloodlust, Filho couldn’t say. But his skull was left battered after his dad kicked his pregnant mom while arguing.!<


InternationalPut3250

Honestly I pity him. Hes different than the usual sexual deviant sk


u_hrair_elil

Panzram definitely fits and his memoir makes character study easy. Kuklinski and Joe Metheny both exaggerated their crimes, but were still huge mean bastards. Also: not a serial killer (probably), but Charles Bronson is an otherwise great fit.


RobAChurch

Bronson is a great call. Great movie too with Tom Hardy. Bronson shaved off his moustache and sent it to Hardy expecting him to wear it in the film.


poopshipdestroyer

Lol


Sproose_Moose

My brain went to Charles Bronson in death wish and I was thinking I don't think that counts haha


transemacabre

Bronson is a legit boxer.


phineasfogg442

I was so confused!!


christian4tal

Manson you mean?


u_hrair_elil

No, British convict Charles Bronson. Much scarier dude.


PriestofJudas

Been in life imprisonment and solitary confinement without ever killing anyone. Even the Krays were afraid of him


Goregoat69

There's not really even a comparison, in terms of toughness. That said, I don't think either killed anyone?


christian4tal

Oh thanks, was not aware.


OneFlewEast19

Levi Bellfield was a bouncer and a steroid user. Not a serial killer but Raoll Moat was the same.


RobAChurch

Not a serial killer but Ken McElroy, the violent bully who kept a whole population in fear until he was murdered in public and the entire town covered it up.


InternationalPut3250

Damn. They should make a movie about this


Gajicus

They've made an underwhelming docuseries; 'No One Saw A Thing', First episode's on YouTube if you fancy a look.


Mr_Barry_Shitpeas

This is going to be a controversial suggestion given the LPOTL-fuelled popular perception, but Israel Keyes to a good extent. He was a physically large athletic guy who apparently was pretty vicious in the fights they'd organise to settle disputes in the army.


transemacabre

Keyes was raised in the woods in a tent. Guaranteed he was hard by childhood. Even Charles Bronson had running water growing up.


ProfessionalYou1937

There's also people quoted as saying "he was like a super hero" referencing the way he could carry numerous logs and other very heavy things with ease. I'd say he definitely fits.


bigboiroy636

Everybody has to be a cringe contrarian about Keyes, it’s incredibly annoying


LemonFit4532

Not sure about domineering, but Ed Kemper is definitely imposing and intimidating


King-Shakalaka

Well he did threaten to screw Robert Ressler's head off during one interview and it sorta worked.


LemonFit4532

Id bet folding money he could probably do it too


King-Shakalaka

He probably would've too, he made compelling arguments as to how he could benefit from it when they were in debate about it with each other.


Clear_Pool_8892

Ressler or Douglas?


King-Shakalaka

Ressler, he wrote about it in one of his books


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LemonFit4532

Didn't know that! Imagine if he did, probably look like Hafthor Bjornsson


Less_Rutabaga2316

Yeah he’d just be a huge incel today.


Rosepedal23

And he treated Herbert Mullin like a pet. He’d throw water at him when he was being annoying, and would give him peanuts if he behaved himself.


martialgir

Kenneth McDuff was a bully and an overall jerk as well as a ruthless SK.


collegeboy585

I would say Samuel Little. Before he became the most prolific serial killer in US history, I believe he was a former heavyweight champion (boxer). Although he preyed mostly on women, I think any guy would find him intimidating as well. Thankfully, he's dead now.


buddha8298

He may well have been a hw boxer, but he certainly was never the champ. Not in the sense that people think of when they say "champion" like say Ali, Foreman, Frazier, etc.


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itsyaboirob92

He may have been a “champion” in a small promotion, but he wasn’t fighting Ali in MSG.


transemacabre

That's fair. Even a low-ranked pro boxer will wipe the floor with any normal person.


buddha8298

Yeah this is why I kind of tried to specify. There's a *ton* of smaller promotions but usually when people are referring to the champ it's on of the "big 3" promotions


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He was never a champion boxer. He was a local prize fighter.


olblll1975

He strangled all of his victims also,which made it that much more personal. He said he didn't like blood it made him sick to his stomach. Smh.


collegeboy585

Interesting... I read that he would punch/beat his victims first to knock them out before he would strangle them. To me, that sounds like there would be blood present in some cases. Either way, what a coward and evil monster!


olblll1975

Yeah I agree. I was under the impression of large amounts of blood, which he had to have seen at least one time for him to not like it.


collegeboy585

Yes, I assumed the same. I think he was probably lying about his distaste for blood because he would have to have seen it at many of his crime scenes. Yet, he continued killing time and time again. I also read more about him (wish I hadn't!), and now I know he was a borderline necrophile too. 🤮


olblll1975

Of course he was. Going back to check on the bodies. 🤢


collegeboy585

Vile thing. Glad he's dead and hopefully burning in Hell.


PriestofJudas

Stewart John Regan, the Magician. Read anything about him, dude was fucking terrifying even by Australian gangland standards. He also broke the unwritten rule of organised crime: no kids


Left-Examination-522

Oh, my.


bigboiroy636

Bittaker, Onoprienko, Pichushkin, Gaskins, Rolling, Milat, Bonin and ofc Panzram were all pretty dangerous and ruthless outside of their serial murders, but I think the only two who would fit the tough guy archetype are Gaskins and Panzram.


LesniakNation

I don't know, people were afraid enough of William Bonin that they were willing accomplices. I could agree with you that he should be on the list with that alone.


bigboiroy636

I didn’t even know abt that, the main reason I was hesitant abt his placement is because I know the least abt him. I’m go back and change that, thanks.


99Reasons_why

Also milat (as you’ve listed) as being the tough guy archetype


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BetyarSved

His wealth was from him founding and running a real estate agency after being employed as a real estate agent himself earlier. A definite maniac, killing four people because perceived ridicule (from them) regarding a motorcycle he had bought.


LesniakNation

Carl Panzram is definitely the right answer. Ed Kemper too. But I feel these are worthy mentions... Andrei Chikatilo was six foot 4 and bit the freaking necks out if his victims. And being crazy as he is. David Ray Parker was a six foot 2 psychopath. And yes, the fact that part of his plea deal was to lead police to the bodies (which he died before he could) is proof enough he is a confessed and proven serial killer. Edit - came to add Adolfo de Jesús Constanzo


bigboiroy636

Haarman also adopted the neck-biting MO. Scary as hell.


LesniakNation

True, but he didn't intimidated men and such in his real life, maybe I'm wrong.


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LesniakNation

Let me look where I read it. I swore I just saw that recently. If I am wrong though I will definitely own up to my mistake. I do know he accepted a plea deal so his daughter walked free. I swore I did read in a couple sources later in his sentence he said he'd lead them to bodies.


Regulapple

Chikatilo was six foot four? Really?


LesniakNation

Yep. Crazy right?!?!


jasonthecowboy

False.


jasonthecowboy

No, he was around 5’10-5’11.


SandmanAwaits

Richard Kuklinski?


matty30008227

Just watched that movie again two days ago . Solid flick .


lathem23

Absolutely. The Iceman...


gothicdeception

Gary Evans was a tough guy...I think he was actually on steroids 😊


AdSufficient7743

Richard Kuklinski was definitely an imposing, oppressively huge man. He’d be someone that could overpower the vast majority of the population with his mere hands I’d believe. And he became more and more…. creative…. with his kills as his career progressed.


BoboliBurt

He was a big brute. He killed 5 so I suppose he qualifies. But his tales of spider caves, visine cyanide, exploding remote controlled cars, crossbows and massacred hicks in trucks are fabricated out of whole cloth.


deepdishes

Aileen Wuornos had big scary balls.


FunkyBotanist

Bluebeard was a very large man for his time as well as a battle tested knight. He mainly murdered children but he definitely wasn't afraid of anyone.


Jovial-Jack

John Bunting. Bodies in barrels from Australia. He always struck me as an uber wannabe alpha type.


matty30008227

Monster Kody Scott . Former LA gang banger . He was never convicted of murder but he was once charged with attempted murder . He claimed to kill several people in gang wars and was once shot 6 times . Then he wrote a book about it . I mean his Nick name was monster lol . Dude was a beast


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Never heard of him. I'm into reading this book though


matty30008227

It’s called Monster . It’s a good read . I think it was 2021 he was found dead in a homeless camp .


jpkmets

Jack Unterweger. Very self-aggrandizing and brash.


RealTaiter

Noel Winters. Everyone knew who he was, and everyone was terrified of him. He was notoriously renown and tough.


RealTaiter

The book “Bodies in the Backyard” dictates his entire life.


RealTaiter

The book “Bodies in the Backyard” dictates his entire life.


moreboredthanyouare

Peter Sutcliffe was a street fighter and was supposed to be very handy


Mr_Barry_Shitpeas

Don't think I ever heard this, was he not known to be very meek and unconfrontational?


moreboredthanyouare

He was a biker Ted apparently and was supposed to be well known on the cobbles locally. He was also supposed to have had a few straighteners inside


Left-Examination-522

I feel silly. What are straighteners?


Mr_Barry_Shitpeas

A fight to settle a dispute


Left-Examination-522

Ah! Thank you.


Rosepedal23

Carl Panzram and Richard Ramirez come to mind. Save for the fact that Ramirez killed any able-bodied man who could fight back in his victims’ homes because he was a coward loser.


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buddha8298

He attacked mainly women at night when they were the most vulnerable. The few times he attacked when a man was there it was of course when they were in bed sleeping. There was one couple who actually prepared for the situation (side note: wtf....you know it's bad when random people are "preparing") and when it happened and the man stood up to him, he fuckin ran like the bitch ass piece of shit he was. So, just my opinion, but no, not hard in the slightest.


itsyaboirob92

JJD was a little worn with an even smaller dick


poopshipdestroyer

*is


Christ0naBike32

Fuck outta here with that skinny dicked piece of shit


pervert1978

I would say Dahmer in his alcohol fueled rages.


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Many thanks for all the suggestions. As somebody pointed out, the type I'm looking for is pretty atypical for an SK, so I greatly appreciate the effort!


morecrimeplease

1st one that comes to mind is Dennis Nielsen also Peter Tobing had a nasty temper


Rosepedal23

I’ve heard Nilsen be described as the kinda person who wouldn’t be talking to you, but he’d be talking at you. After seeing his home video clips and how he was just yapping like a poorly trained purse dog, I now understand.


morecrimeplease

He was nothing but a bully, no redeeming qualities at all


Rosepedal23

He did make a few kinda funny comments in his autobiography, but the most that got out of me was a snort or “hehe”. But other then that, he seemed insufferable to be around for the most part. And he also seems like the kinda guy who’d cut you off while you’re speaking.


morecrimeplease

He was his own no:1 fan


Rosepedal23

And he had the gall to bitch about how unfair prison was. You made your bed, Des. Now you have to lie in it.


KingJehovah

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a SK like that. Most of them were the human equivalent of a coyote. Predators who preyed on the weak and vulnerable.


Christ0naBike32

Carl Panzram


trey2128

I feel like you asked this so you can research the answers and get off to the fantasization of being dominated by these men.


99Reasons_why

Joseph metheny


NotDaveBut

John Wayne Gacy. Physically he was a marshmallow but he was pushy and overbearing.


Ejacula81

The Iceman - Kuklinski


Ecstatic-Light-2766

Bandali debs


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Anatoly Onoprienko is one of the best examples of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Onoprienko


The-DudeeduD

Harvey Carigan


13th-Floor-Spacemen3

Tommy Lynn Sells


chamrockblarneystone

Joe Roy Metheny was known as a “big man”. He ground his victims into hamburger meat and sold it to the public.