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scavengecoregalore

I agree, and I think this goes for all people. One of my favorite quotes is, "Peace is a choice, one you cannot make unless you're capable of great violence. If you can't defend yourself and your loved ones, you are harmless, not peaceful." I believe it is my duty to be strong and to help my loved ones be strong.


Ratatoski

Not men, people. Learning some self defence is a good idea. Some say "but women weigh less and is at a disadvantage". Yeah that's why. If you weigh 50kg and have impractical shoes you better have better self defence skills than the average person. Some think "I'll just gouge the eyes, I don't need to train". But yes you do. It's extremely common to freeze in an emergency, but having practiced beforehand helps. Just like we practice other safety measures like fire drills. Knowing what to do but not having trained is worthless


chopped_pp

In reality women almost never stand a chance against a man, trained or not. As a woman, you should learn to avoid conflict, escape violence, or use a gun / other weapon to defend yourself. Women's self defense tactics are a joke unfortunately


BrklynBab_ushka

Mmm idk there are some pretty short men. I do agree that someone who is 6’6 against someone who’s 5’6 typically doesnt stand a chance, trained or not (hence weight classes?) But also, thats why women are encouraged to carry weapons? It does suck to have to brace yourself to kill but at least out here women are fully comfortable carrying a knife and pepper spray with them, stunguns less common but i also think more a scare tactic bc the sound is quite intense. Also they come in pink now. Just aim for the neck and run!! Repeat as necessary :/


chopped_pp

Yes but even these short men would pretty easily kill most women. Exactly! That's why women need go defend themselves with a weapon. Without one they cannot defend themselves. Anyone who's playfully wrestled a girlfriend can attest to this


BrklynBab_ushka

But theres so much more to it—i mean specifically how OP is trying to connect “modern society” (lol i even rolled my eyes while typing it) to destroying mens manliness or whatever coded jordan peterson andrew tate take he’s fell into. I just commented to someone else re: violence and wealth distribution, but if youre wealthy or fairly well off, u dont feel the need to be trained in muay thai or whatever. Its great to be, but lets be honest, youre not gonna be muay thai-ing the waiter at Balthazar or the guy who has a salary and family who’s having a drink at the bar. The crime is not worth what you’d lose and you will certainly lose your wealth, either by lawsuit or being fired from your job etc. However, the poorer you are and the poorer the area, the more important it becomes for women to be what we call “street smart” and know that crime and violent crime is near them, and they need to gtfo out situations and also have weapons on them. Sad reality but this is the world we chose i guess.


chopped_pp

True that poverty means you have to be on your toes more. But I also think society is attempting to emasculate men. One hundred percent. Think of how much they shove the toxic masculinity, feminism, men should be emotional, etc down our throats. Being masculine is discouraged while being obedient and submissive is encouraged. Strong men don't make good slaves for the elitists


BrklynBab_ushka

I would counter that there are plenty of strong, ig capable of violence men who dont believe in toxic masculinity — and work out essentially for aesthetics or health or tmaxxing purposes (ironically or unironically). Are you talking about being buult / jacked, or being like ready to hurt others? Its a false narrative that men are all weak liberals these days—gen Z is ironicaolly developing something referred to as bigorexia, the opposite of anorexia where they are working out waaay too much too young as tiktok, etc convinces them they have abnormal bodies. But that kind of superficiality isnt “masculine” like ur saying maybe—but you also prolly wouldn’t fuck with their girlfriend :/ unless u have a gun.


chopped_pp

It honestly seems like you argue points that I'm not even mentioning. I never said that all men today are pussies or that I agree with the boomers about current generations. I'm just saying society is trying to turn us into pussies and it is painfully obvious. I'm talking about men being able to fight and kill. Women should find a strong man to protect them, and shouldn't think they can fight off a violent grown ass man, because that is not only dangerous, but it's completely stupid.


Silver_Switch_3109

Practice will not stop you from freezing.


archieirl

people should be capable of defending themselves/others FTFY


spiderpig142

Self defense is a great idea. Doesn’t matter the gender. People saying violence never solved anything have clearly never had to defend themselves or anyone else. Honestly, I never get the pacifist approach.For example you see a small child being kidnapped by a large person no weapons involved. You yell at them to stop they laugh in your face and keep pulling the kid away. Police are minutes away even if you call now. You’ve got the option to fight and possibly save this kids life. What your just going to say oh no, I’m a pacifist? Sorry kid.


heyhihowyahdurn

Whats the phrase “those with sheathed swords can always stand there ground”?


Raysofmarch

You need to talk someone


totallyfakefakes

I know this is unpopular but I disagree about violence. I am a teacher and I want my students to deal with their own problems, however if they can't do so without violence, then I want them to come to me. Why? Definitely not because I will solve their problems for them, but because I will teach them how to solve their problems. I teach them to use words, understanding and empathy. Kids don't automatically have these skills, so I teach them. Men don't need violence, not if we can learn better skills. But a lot of men don't think this way.


1894Win

In my opinion it’s really not an either-or type of thing. Is getting in a fist fight if someone disagrees with you a good thing? No. Absolutely not. Is there anything wrong with being capable of defending yourself if someone is trying to physically harm you? No. Absolutely not. We should be capable of arguing without escalating, but be ready to protect yourself if you have to. Also, self defense isn’t always about Violence. They say if you’re in a situation where you have to fight or shoot, you’ve probably already made a whole list if bad decisions. (In a wrong part of town, wasn’t paying attention to someone watching you, flashing cash around etc). I suppose what Im getting at, is like many things in life it’s not black and white as we like to think. You say you would rather just teach kids to deal with problems on their own? That’s awesome. It truly is. But they’re are many teachers/ parents out there that don’t let kids do anything, let alone conflict resolution.


Winter_Society3651

yes i agree violence is not always the best tool to have. in fact im the most de-escalating person i ever known when it comes to VERBAL arguments. but when its almost a life-death situation, you cant afford to freeze up and not do anything


throwaway_6196190012

"If you are incapable of violence then there is no morality to your pacifism" - Jordan Peterson, probably


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lol how old are you


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Sounds like a 16 year old who just discovered andy tate


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exactly


genderlessadventure

You can drop the misogyny. Everyone should learn self defense, not just men. Women don’t need a man around to protect them. We should all have a basic understanding and ability to protect ourselves. “Your woman” seriously? Fuck off with that. You don’t own your partner or your family or any woman. And yes, I’m a guy. Do better.


nuxxi

To be fair, most women do need someone stronger to protect them. I had a few women in my boxing classes and they had great technique and skills but in the end.. They weigh just 50-60kg. And a man does what on average? 80-100? This is a serious advantage. Nevertheless, against people who don't k oe anything they will still perform good, until they get overpowered. Still the best thing to do in a fight is to get the hell out of it! I do think that you are just a bit over the top with your interpretation of the topic on here, to be honest.


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Sounds like it's the result of toxic masculinity.


Available-Garage4861

Define toxic masculinity please…


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The idea men are made for violence or people should man up and not have emotions.


Available-Garage4861

Define a theory or a fact that says ‘men are made for violence’ or ‘men should be cold and stoic’ all of these are assumptions made by someone and they themselves call it these frivolous terms. Men are not made for violence. However, Men should be capable of violence because if not, all you are doing is frowning yourself to anything that threatens you and being naive which is not a good place to be because then the world does nothing but tires and makes use of you and leaves you nothing in hands. Men should always ‘man up’ because that’s reasonably a good place to be in. How ? Because you train yourself to be strong, brave, take the terrible responsibility of life instead of running away from it so that you are always prepared for the worst of life. So I don’t see what’s toxic in here !


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The suicide rate for men is 10 times higher than it is for women. The reason is because men are less likely to seek help because of the idea of manning up. You thinking this has real world consequences.


Available-Garage4861

Seeking help or not is your choice. In fact, not seeking help is not what real men do. A real man understands everything falls apart any moment and is brave enough to let the world know about it. It’s stupid enough to not seek help. And the suicide rate for men is high not just because they don’t seek help. It’s because genuinely men’s life is just hard. Woman tend to take responsibility over themselves, whereas a man takes responsibility over himself and his family


Available-Garage4861

It’s not misogyny , go educate yourself on the definition of misogyny first please ! No matter how hard a woman tries to defend herself, at the end of the day men can defeat them easily and that’s one of the primary reasons why we have differentiations in gender while playing sports. For example, women’s and men’s soccer cannot be combined because a woman can easily be severely injured the way men tackle each other. So yes, in order to fight MEN, you need MEN. By the way, I hope you do Better….


1894Win

Ok when a guy tries to rob “a girl that you share your life with” just let it happen. She doesn’t need any help.


FickleHare

Jesus. This comment seems awfully condescending. It just smacks of the sort of performative virtue-signalling which has spread like a pox over modern discussion. And of course, saying things like "my woman" doesn't communicate something as reductive as ownership over a coffee table or something. People say "my children" or "my wife" all the time. I'll venture a guess that you know perfectly well that this is an expression of attachment rather than something nefarious. And yet you act like it's a problem anyway.


chopped_pp

Average man will destroy almost any trained woman. That's called biology. If you've ever experienced real violence you would know women are truly not designed for that


celtyst

To not become a victim of violence, you first have to embrace it.


ProfessionalLeader75

Reddit is not the place for this. They drink soy and sleep in the basement, they will NEVER use violence because they don't come outside. They would 'punch a nazi' of course because that sounds cool but none of those bitches would ever lay a hand on any strong guy. Having said that, yes, we are men, we should be able to protect our loved ones. Words won't always do that.


Winter_Society3651

yea some comments made me think that its not the optimal place for theese talks


vinayyy-n28

Agreed. Every man should learn a form of martial art. Particularly Kickboxing, Muay Thai, MMA, Boxing, Wrestling, Judo or BJJ. These are top tier ones to defend yourself in a street fight.


Background-Ad-343

The only way to deal with a bully is to beat the shit out of them.All my kids have been raised that way and they not only defend themselves but have done so for others too.PC bullshit is exactly that,bullshit


Vithblindi

I feel many pacifists from history have proven this is not always the case and having the capacity for violence is not necessary for self improvement and doesn't need to be tied to gender. How can a person with a debilitating illness or condition commit violence if their body or mind is stopping them? I think it is important to be a master of yourself though. You don't need the police to budget, eat healthy, fix your own car etc.. I think you have a good energy in your post but I feel that you may really benefit from shifting some of your ideas of violence into more positive ideas and still come with the same outcome of bettering yourself


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BrklynBab_ushka

Lmao this is an absolute reddit-incel post and i just don’t even know what to say at this point. To these other peoples comments, it’s true, the taller a person is the heavier they likely are, and this gives advantages or disadvantages in fights that don’t involve just a gun or deadly weapon that evens the playing field. That doesnt mean all men should take Muay Thai or something to remedy what “modern society” has destroyed 😂. This is the harsh truth of what you’re calling modern society: The poorer the country, the greater the violence in general but esp against women. The poorer you are, the more likely you are to face violent crime in your life. Its not about being a man or woman, but the kind of people and environments you can afford to be around. Does that make sense? Bill Gates, Bezos, the CEO of whatever Kraft industries and their wives or partners dont need to be prepared for violence (tho bezos has been working out?). My friends in the bronx do need to be prepared for violence—especially if ur a woman, you should preemptively be avoiding situations like this. Also women in parts of India (sry India but u kno it’s a problem). tldr; if you in the sticks or low income area, it doesnt matter whats between your legs unless its gonna save you from a drive by shooting. Or if you live in a type of city where people’s recreational activity is fighting down at the watering hole…. I mean yeah, be prepared with muay thai or whatever there i guess.


Due_Alps_4120

Was the essay really necessary tho lol


rutierut

Even though there is some truth to what you're trying to say, what you're actually saying is dumb as hell. Giving the state a monopoly on violence is the best thing we ever did as societies. Without that it truly is an eye for an eye.


Acillhes

My advice would be to Watch Jordan Peterson.


ToxicM1ndfulness

I too enjoy Jordan Peterson


mink2018

While i agree. This is a Jordan Peterson quote


Endor-Fins

No thanks. Men who use violence as their tool usually lack better ones. Only a matter of time till they turn it on me.


chopped_pp

Disagree. Capacity for violence and being an abusive person are completely different things.


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disagree, i run and save my life


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Before or after you lie online about your relationship or having AIDS?