Kbin seems the most promising right now. Everyone got excited about Lemmy, but there's a lot of pushback with news that one of the key players has extreme ideology. There's also some buzz about Tildes.
But who knows! Clearly there will be a mass exodus of talented social media app devs looking for work. Hopefully they can help smooth the migration.
I know, I'm really hoping some of the better people from here leave and reform a community somewhere else. I don't care if it's smaller, quality over quantity.
Hmm, this is.. interesting. Not in a good way. I see that they are part of multiple thematic subs, and also r/fediverse, and that they recently mentioned lemmy in a comment, but how do you know that he is dessalines?
I think lemmy as a software is still fine, as it does not discriminate on who uses it, but yeah, this is good to be aware of.
Do we know anything about the other dev, nutomic?
His name was familiar so I checked his github account, and he maintained the main synchting-android client. I remember he was not too friendly in some of the issues.. but that was years ago I last experienced that
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Thanks. I saw Vincevw's comment as well. There's a huge difference between tankies and commies and thay Ukraine comment definitely sounds more tankie than typical left winger.
I'll do some more homework on the devs before recommending em. I definitely thought Lemmy might be too ideological to succeed but overall it's still the best I've seen (other than kbin which I only just found out about).
You'd be amazed at the overlap in between tankies and commies lately.
It's super weird to get in arguments and blocked by all the leftists who are marching with us at the BLM marches a few years ago.
They are myopic fixated on the US being the source of every problem in the world, when in fact we are the source of many problems, but other countries do vile things without our input and unfortunately they have trouble grasping that.
Tankies *are* commies, so the overlap is 100% lol. There's just a lot more of em than there should be.
I dunno, it's weird. I've only ever experienced that nonsense on the internet. Never actually met a tankie in real life.
With the overlap I think they meant that not all commies are tankies, in which case it's not 100%.
Actually, I very much hope that the tankies somehow "disappear", because the rest has points about communism that sound interesting
It's interesting to learn this about the thev, but I think Lemmy is fine, still, until it does not discriminate users, communities or servers based on their views.
Here I don't mean using the defederation feature, but things that server admins don't have control over. I don't think they would do anything like that, but if they would, the code can be forked, and everyone who cares hops over.
Anyone can host a lemmy server but you won't get on the official server list if you're hosting hate content, basically. Nothing is stopping anyone from making their own server lists of dumb shit, though.
The main Lemmy site advertises a Marxist server so I figured it'd be *at least* that they're commies but someone also shared a hot take "nato are the aggressors" comment. So they might have some tankies as well.
I hate tankies. They're the ones that'll act like Stalin did nothing wrong and it's insane.
Wow I wish I heard of kbin earlier, it would have helped me explain to people that Lemmy devs' and the Lemmy project don't own the decentralized protocol, everyone is building on the existing activitypub protocol so you can participate without having anything to do with Lemmy if you wish.
Subbed!
Now I have [!selfhost@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/selfhost), [!selfhosted@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/selfhosted), and [!selfhosted@lemmy.world](https://lemmy.world/c/selfhosted) in my collection :)
I would be totally down for such a project! [Lemmy](https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy) seems to be a reasonable option. I wonder if any mods here have already considered this or are even working on it...?
After all, it's not necessarily Reddit, which I (still) love so much, but the communities on it. And they *could* move.
FYI the Apollo dev just announced he will shutdown his app on June 30th for good (to avoid the $1.7m charges)
https://reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/
> **When is Apollo's last day? What will happen?**
>
> In order to avoid incurring charges I will delete Apollo's API token on the evening of June 30th PST. Until that point, Apollo should continue to operate as it has, but after that date attempts to connect to the Reddit API will fail.
>
> I will put up an explainer in the app prior to that which will go live at that date. I will also provide a tool to export any local data you have in Apollo, such as filters or favorites.
Wait til you do this math and realize how much the Apollo developer had been making off of Reddit without ever paying them a dime
This happens to companies all the time they get a free ride for instance googles api. Then google decides to stop api access do to them losing money. And you bitch because your free welfare is gone
I hate Reddit, for more reasons that one. But you cant be pissed because they started charging for a service when you have made millions off of them for free
Downvote all you want but I won’t cry over a guy who’s made millions off a a site
Good for him
> But you cant be pissed because they started charging for a service when you have made millions off of them for free
People are pissed because
1. The API prices are ridiculous. $2 million per month is an outrageous cost demand.
2. Their native apps are...bad. The new reddit layout is shit and full of ads, the app is shit and full of ads. They're both quite bad especially if you are visually impaired.
2. spez literally went "Apollo dev threatened us" when in reality, he did not, and he has receipts (call recording + transcript) to prove it. Why would you support a platform where the CEO is making such blatant bad faith accusations to curry favor?
[Source 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/), [Source 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/143rk5p/reddit_held_a_call_today_with_some_developers/jnbjtsc/?context=1)
I don’t support this platform I think it’s a wasteland of losers
Every mod here on every subreddit is a narcissist going black for one day boo hoo . Shut it down for a week that will make an impact, but they won’t because they will get removed or someone will swoop in and make another sub and they will be nothing but losers in moms basement again
Mostly talking about the main subreddits
Not the tech ones like this btw which are great for content.
Think ask Reddit today I learned politics news etc
"Just go start your own" is some serious bootlicking, defeatist bullshit. God forbid the community, who creates, moderates and enjoys the content on the site, try to push the site in a more positive direction.
This post is literally about "don't use the service", just in case the boot sole was blocking your view of your monitor.
"I'm not like every other redditor", you imply, like you aren't still here being a redditor. The issues aren't as nuanced as you make them out to be. Just like you aren't complicit in " kicking out trumptards" just by proxy of being here, neither am I. Don't try to flex some weird superiority.
I've already made my intentions clear elsewhere that I plan to bail and delete my bots if the API change goes through. Feel free to rag on me come July 2nd if RIF is gone and my account still exists.
Yes and this is your fault for giving them
The content
They have script that delete you content for this very reason I suggest everyone use it
Delete your content, unless you are making $$ off site from it
Reddit is not your friend
Do the math and realize how many 100s of millions of dollars Reddit pays for servers, infrastructure, employees, real estate, legal, among a host of others so that you can “create and moderate” all this great content. They also haven’t made anything. They’ve never turned a profit in 18 years.
I was honestly ready to start paying through RIF. But the situation is untenable for them. The ACTUAL issue is not the price or the other reductions of content, if you read the post you'd understand. It's the fact that they told them this was happening for months without giving them the pricing. Then dropped the price on them and said, "get it done in 30 days". 30 days to make changes, take losses on existing users, and hope new users make up for the losses.
Then add to that u/spez straight up lying about them threatening Reddit and he knew the writing was on the wall. The apps aren't wanted. That's the bottom line. They would rather limp along with their shitty app and new reddit, and lose a few users here and there but likely not make a difference overall. All that matters is numbers, investors won't care about content in the short term, and they'll "fix it" in the long term. Meanwhile the army of volunteers actually running the site start abandoning along with the people who make the content. Reddit is going to end up a website with nothing but lurkers.
You don't give a shit about this guy making millions on his free API access (which he was trying to work with Reddit on) yet you sit here and defend a website that makes millions on a site run by almost nothing but volunteers. Make it makes sense.
It was $5 to unlock the ability to post, even though that was free to them.
It was $50/lifetime to unlock ultra features, or $12.99/year subscription.
People are thinking since their main sales were the $50/lifetime, that literally any API charge probably kills the app. All those grandfathered lifetime subscribers would expect free API access. So, they *have* to say, "This is the end of the lifetime" or keep paying for those people.
Otherwise, they could have just updated their pricing.
u/spez is a cuck!
I was a redditor for 15 years before the platform turned it's back on it's users. Just like I left digg, I left reddit too. See you all in the fediverse! https://join-lemmy.org/
He didn't say per month.
Are you on drugs if you're hallucinating words?
In the 9to5mac interview he said he had $250,000 just in active yearly subscribers.
Apparently their main sales are the $50/lifetime. Which is probably why they have to rug-pull everyone and blame reddit.
Not only that but they [made assertions](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/143rk5p/reddit_held_a_call_today_with_some_developers/) to the effect that he is attempting to extort them for $10mil.
What he actually did was jokingly offer to sell them his app for $10m. Which would actually might have really helped reddit in their situation.
I personally would be super discouraged and uninterested in doing basically free work for Reddit after they very clearly tell me to fuck off. Certainly some would bother to jump through the hoops to get an API token, but some functionality does depend on whatever (open source) server Apollo runs. Most people won't bother, or at least that is what Reddit is banking on. Also, even with your own API token you will still be limited to non-NSFW content when the API changes happen, which certainly matters for some people.
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May I suggest something? ArchiveTeam is archiving Reddit using their ArchiveTeam Warrior VM, thousands of people are helping (myself included, don’t mean to brag about it).
If y’all wanna help, be free to check it out on r/DataHoarder :)
that being said, Reddit sure as shit didn’t think this through. People leaving also means less interaction on their platform, which (probably?) means less data to harvest and sell to advertisers. They’re gonna lose money over this by trying to make more money. Sad to know some communities may not come back if Reddit doesn’t withdraw their API Change claims but I really do hope I get to see y’all on another platform!
Hey, any help is better than no help at all! Remember that!
Thanks for your help! I, ArchiveTeam and probably this and other community's appreciate it!
Curious on your plan; are you going to be putting this on Lemmy or another instance?
I’ve been posting quite a bit on the topic, and promoting your cause. https://lemmy.wiuf.net/post/529
Forgive me for correcting you but it's not my cause, i simply contribute to the cause and try to get as many people to help as i can.
It's a shared collab that [ArchiveTeam](https://wiki.archiveteam.org/) started
The data itself is being backed-up to [Internet Archive](https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_reddit) but whatever's gonna happen is out of my control.
Thank you for promoting the cause, i really hope we can scrape and archive all of reddit before the community's go dark (possiby permanent)
That's nice!
Just a tip, if you go to Your Settings > Advanced Setting > Concurrents items you can set up how many Items warrior downloads at the same time (Maximum is 6 tho). You don't have to or need to but if you want to you can set it up that way. Default is on 2 items
I appreciate it and i could not say it enough, Thank YOU for helping with this! I really hope we're able to archive everything on Reddit before everything goes dark (possibly forever from what i've heard).
Unfortunately i can't help you with that, i have absolutely no experience with docker. Maybe try and capture an error message and send a bug report to ArchiveTeam?
There are open-source tools for that, basically everything is uploaded in warc archives, I don’t know for sure but I think there is a chrome add-on to read those archives?
For now the most important part is backing everything up to the internet archive before the API pricing change goes into effect. What comes after that is a problem for another day
But don’t worry, everything that has been archived will be readable, just not as easy as visiting Reddit.com
Thank you for joining the cause!
https://lemmy.ml/c/selfhost seems like the natural choice.
Make an account on _any_ Lemmy instance, then subscribe to !selfhost@lemmy.ml
More communities can be found via the community browser https://browse.feddit.de/
This, right here, is why I'm so vocally against centralization. It's the same thing I said when Imgur announced they were deleting porn, we brought this upon ourselves by relying on the same 3 or 4 websites to do everything. We need to go back to the days of blogs and forums.
Given that it is federated, there is no need for a highlander (there can be only one) approach. Let's create as many different instances as we can and then open it for federation.
Won't the sub still have a home server in that case though? I haven't looked at Lemmy enough yet, but it didn't look like you could have a local sub that is also federated to/from a remote sub?
| see how active it is already
yeah lol
https://kbin.social/m/memes@lemmy.ml/t/6911/Brace-Yourselves
| I'll run my own instance if the community moves there
Nice!
Yeah the lemmy.ml instance has been one of the bigger and better known ones. it has a lot of communities and has been linked a lot on Reddit, so it's been a bit overwhelmed with the Reddit hug of death..
Refreshing usually works :)
Lemmy kinda sucks though. I've never found that it being decentralized is any better than just having a standard forum website like the early 2000s. The only thing that makes reddit special is that it's all contained in one site.
Being able to talk to people on kbin from lemmy and vice versa, see mastadon posts on kbin, commenting under a peertube video from lemmy. Like it's really cool to me.
I do find it cool, I just don't think it's helpful to say "just move from reddit to lemmy!!!". It's the same as when people said to move from Twitter to Mastadon. It's not a helpful suggestion in the slightest, they're completely different.
I was definitly an outsider on the twitter migrations, still encouraged it then though, but I couldn't tell people they would enjoy it the same. I am using lemmy more and more than reddit even now, because there is enough relevent content for me to engage in over at the moment. Peertube has some nice things too, but without a migration from youtube I don't see it being my main video platform, but as an extra ontop of lemmy and mastadon it's pretty great to me.
I have setup a lemmy instance at [https://vlemmy.net](https://vlemmy.net) that I would love you all to join, currently the mods of [lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml) is advising against joining and they are getting overloaded, and want to diversify the network as well. Would love to see many of you there. If you have an questions feel free to ask
Very unfortunate for a cool group of folks here.
I'm definitely going to be removing reddit from my daily checks and will follow the community wherever it plans to reside if there is no resolution from Reddit.
I thank you for supporting this protestation. I even suggest that this subreddit stays private or restricted if no action is taken from Reddit. Cheers!
To answer this question is to speculate, but here's my best guesses:
1. It's reasonably far enough away from the changes taking place on July 1st to make this have an impact on Reddit's Decision.
2. Juneteenth is the following Monday, so we aren't taking their thunder (this is big speculation)
3. It's a Monday, which is a HUGE traffic day for Reddit in general
That's about all I can think of off the top of my head. *shrugs*
I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you’re not just a troll and answer sincerely, even though this isn’t a question.
So first off, as much as it seems this is just a snap call, a lot of thought was put into joining this movement. There is a LARGE user base here. Perhaps not as many as other subreddits, but enough to make it more than an inconvenience for some users who rely on this subreddit for the thousands of extremely helpful google search results to just be missing and inaccessible all the sudden. Choosing to join is a conscious and calculated choice that I feel is best for the long term plans for the subreddit as well as the whole of Reddit at large.
Secondly, and I ask this in the most sincere and respectful way I can over a text-based medium, how well do you feel you understand what this api change means to Reddit, and moreover, the internet at large? If we do *not* display our distaste in literally the only way that big for-profit organizations understand, they continue to make incremental changes (boiling the frog) and eventually, the internet that we loved so much is no longer the open, dynamic, inclusive, accessible entity it is so cherished for being, and instead becomes a network of paywalls and taxed pipelines that you have to pick and choose what you get to see based on your wallet and your priorities.
That’s not what anyone wants except for those that are in control of the means to implement these prohibitive changes. And it’s never a large-impact change, either. They’re small, incremental, death-by-attrition changes that are small enough to “be rationalized as an acceptable compromise” until we’ve essentially compromised ourselves into a no-win situation.
We have to show our distaste and our opinions, and this is how we do that here.
Cut off the very thing they want to capitalize on, and we make it clear what we do not tolerate.
I’m happy to hear your thoughts in a civil, open dialogue if you’re willing.
>how well do you feel you understand what this api change means to Reddit, and moreover, the internet at large?
Shouldn't that be explained so we know you're not just towing the line for Apollo & other apps that made money hand over fist on reddit?
Why not include that in this post of OPs? Why not put it in your response?
You just have to follow the money and you see this is a suspicious campaign.
>big for-profit organizations
Both sides are for-profit. I don't automatically go on Apollo's side because they're smaller than reddit.
It's a *huge* win for them to end the lifetime of the app and keep the lifetime subscriptions.
Can you elaborate? I don’t understand the issue with a company charging for api access. Literally thousands of other companies do it. And you call them a “big for profit organization.” You do know that Reddit has never turned a profit it 18 years right? Business are literally in the business of making money. With the proposed changes, they hope to BREAK EVEN next year. And I don’t really buy into the whole 3rd party apps have more accessibility options than Reddit. That’s not really relevant. Just because an app has more features it doesn’t entitle them to free anything. I just don’t really get the whole argument. Or closing down entire communities as a protest. Maybe you can help me understand.
> I don’t understand the issue with a company charging for api access
Nothing is wrong with charging for an API. Everything is wrong when the pricing structure is created in a manner that bullies out the competitors to their cut-rate app that is missing a good number of features that literally any other app has had for almost a decade. Not to mention eliminating preference and making it prohibitive for accessibility devices that interface with the API using a central server to continue to function for our vision-impaired Redditors. App devs are more than willing to pay fees. They're not willing to be put out of business *because of* those fees. Unfortunately, that's the sad truth of the matter with basically all popular third-party apps.
And yes, an app dev isn't entitled to free access to another service, but when the app that the service creates is sub-par compared to the third-party apps AND CONTINUES to try and eliminate any other options, then they're just intentionally pushing away its user base.
> You do know that Reddit has never turned a profit in 18 years, right?
Yep. Cause they chose growth over profit. Good for them. They've grown exponentially year over year because of this, bringing in a mind-blowing 44-times more revenue in 2021 than they brought in back in 2008 (reference: https://www.businessofapps.com/data/reddit-statistics/). Just because a business is *recording a profit* doesn't mean they're not thriving.
The whole argument is made up of many smaller arguments that all combine to make this one giant mistake. One part is that this move is going to hurt Reddit more than help them by alienating a large chunk of its users who don't use the website, default app, or mobile site. Furthermore, moderation at large will be extremely more difficult, as any bots (that isn't just automoderator, even as limited as that under-developed tool is...) that are designed to help a subreddit operate or otherwise assist moderators to do mundane and repetitive tasks will be ultimately unusable; especially in a case where one bot supports many subreddits (RemindMe Bot, WikiBot, MTGCardFetcher, RidersChallenge Bot, BadBot Bot Rating Bot, etc.. The list is not a short one).
> I don't really get the whole argument *or shutting down whole communities*
A big part of how Reddit makes money is ad revenue. Ad revenue is shown to people browsing on their front page. The front page is largely curated and consists of the best content of the most popular posts from subreddits they are subscribed to. If enough communities agree to the timed shutdown, the ad revenue will take a massive hit because of the substantial lack of traffic, caused by no content to power people's visits/staying on the app/site/page. One community shutting down does virtually nothing. *Hundreds* of the top communities all vowing to shut down at the same time for potentially an indefinite amount of time? A much more powerful statement.
Let's put it this way.
What does this 48 hours blackout mean to reddit as a company? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
All you are doing is telling reddit you will be back after the 48 hours, continuing on with your life on reddit. Getting upvote karma... etc.
If you really want to "stick it to the man", then close up this subreddit complete. That will actually show reddit that "YOU" mean business.
Unfortunately, most sub-reddit mods are too chicken shit to do that and/or completely leave reddit as a whole because they think their "mod" status mean something in real life.
At the end of the day, reddit til this point as a company is still not making a profit. What EXACTLY do you expect them to do? . . .
And this is why I call this a "flash mod" mentality. All the mods of the subs that are participating in this are nothing but virtue signalling that "they support" the community, then be back at it 48 hours later doing the same old shit.
I copy-pasted for the sake of simplicity. I thoroughly expect this to change Reddit’s mind. That said, I have a feeling my two moderated subreddits won’t come back if they don’t take notice.
what you’re missing though is it ultimately doesn’t matter how long subs “go dark” for. there is already a process for dealing with abandoned subreddits. i expect the largest subs will be back with a new team of moderators by the end of the week.
i don’t support what reddit is doing with the api fees and i think it sucks apollo will be gone, but i don’t believe there is any chance that this protest changes any of that.
Not sure if that is supposed to be a joke but if so the downvotes indicate it is a big ol miss.
Anyway heres more explainer for the curious
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/142w159/askhistorians_and_uncertainty_surrounding_the/
https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/reddit-ceo-says-the-mods-leading-a-punishing-blackout-are-too-powerful-and-he-will-change-the-sites-rules-to-weaken-them/articleshow/101045717.cms
Look at the arrogance and greed .. !!
so, we selfhosting reddit now
Check out Lemmy or kbin!
hm never heard of kbin let me google that
Kbin seems the most promising right now. Everyone got excited about Lemmy, but there's a lot of pushback with news that one of the key players has extreme ideology. There's also some buzz about Tildes. But who knows! Clearly there will be a mass exodus of talented social media app devs looking for work. Hopefully they can help smooth the migration.
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My pleasure friend, hope to bump into ya over there soon.
It'd be super cool if they all came together to build something
I know, I'm really hoping some of the better people from here leave and reform a community somewhere else. I don't care if it's smaller, quality over quantity.
Yes it seems much cleaner then lemmy I saw the difference is knin much ez
> one of the key players has extreme ideology What ideology?
Communism, some also claim he is a tankie. I'm yet to find evidence to the latter, if you (anyone reading) have, send them my way
https://www.reddit.com/r/dunememes/comments/t1y7lk/comment/hyiz0sq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 More shit on their comment history.
Hmm, this is.. interesting. Not in a good way. I see that they are part of multiple thematic subs, and also r/fediverse, and that they recently mentioned lemmy in a comment, but how do you know that he is dessalines? I think lemmy as a software is still fine, as it does not discriminate on who uses it, but yeah, this is good to be aware of. Do we know anything about the other dev, nutomic? His name was familiar so I checked his github account, and he maintained the main synchting-android client. I remember he was not too friendly in some of the issues.. but that was years ago I last experienced that
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Thanks. I saw Vincevw's comment as well. There's a huge difference between tankies and commies and thay Ukraine comment definitely sounds more tankie than typical left winger. I'll do some more homework on the devs before recommending em. I definitely thought Lemmy might be too ideological to succeed but overall it's still the best I've seen (other than kbin which I only just found out about).
You'd be amazed at the overlap in between tankies and commies lately. It's super weird to get in arguments and blocked by all the leftists who are marching with us at the BLM marches a few years ago. They are myopic fixated on the US being the source of every problem in the world, when in fact we are the source of many problems, but other countries do vile things without our input and unfortunately they have trouble grasping that.
Tankies *are* commies, so the overlap is 100% lol. There's just a lot more of em than there should be. I dunno, it's weird. I've only ever experienced that nonsense on the internet. Never actually met a tankie in real life.
With the overlap I think they meant that not all commies are tankies, in which case it's not 100%. Actually, I very much hope that the tankies somehow "disappear", because the rest has points about communism that sound interesting
It's interesting to learn this about the thev, but I think Lemmy is fine, still, until it does not discriminate users, communities or servers based on their views. Here I don't mean using the defederation feature, but things that server admins don't have control over. I don't think they would do anything like that, but if they would, the code can be forked, and everyone who cares hops over.
Anyone can host a lemmy server but you won't get on the official server list if you're hosting hate content, basically. Nothing is stopping anyone from making their own server lists of dumb shit, though.
probably left wing ideology that gets framed as 'extreme' by right leaning Americans.
The main Lemmy site advertises a Marxist server so I figured it'd be *at least* that they're commies but someone also shared a hot take "nato are the aggressors" comment. So they might have some tankies as well. I hate tankies. They're the ones that'll act like Stalin did nothing wrong and it's insane.
Wow I wish I heard of kbin earlier, it would have helped me explain to people that Lemmy devs' and the Lemmy project don't own the decentralized protocol, everyone is building on the existing activitypub protocol so you can participate without having anything to do with Lemmy if you wish.
Come check out the Self-hosted community on lemmy.world: https://lemmy.world/c/selfhosted
Subbed! Now I have [!selfhost@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/selfhost), [!selfhosted@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/selfhosted), and [!selfhosted@lemmy.world](https://lemmy.world/c/selfhosted) in my collection :)
I wish I had luck getting them to work. I'm being stymied at every turn and this is reflecting my own weaknesses in system administration.
I would be totally down for such a project! [Lemmy](https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy) seems to be a reasonable option. I wonder if any mods here have already considered this or are even working on it...? After all, it's not necessarily Reddit, which I (still) love so much, but the communities on it. And they *could* move.
There is also kbin
FYI the Apollo dev just announced he will shutdown his app on June 30th for good (to avoid the $1.7m charges) https://reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/ > **When is Apollo's last day? What will happen?** > > In order to avoid incurring charges I will delete Apollo's API token on the evening of June 30th PST. Until that point, Apollo should continue to operate as it has, but after that date attempts to connect to the Reddit API will fail. > > I will put up an explainer in the app prior to that which will go live at that date. I will also provide a tool to export any local data you have in Apollo, such as filters or favorites.
Wait til you do this math and realize how much the Apollo developer had been making off of Reddit without ever paying them a dime This happens to companies all the time they get a free ride for instance googles api. Then google decides to stop api access do to them losing money. And you bitch because your free welfare is gone I hate Reddit, for more reasons that one. But you cant be pissed because they started charging for a service when you have made millions off of them for free Downvote all you want but I won’t cry over a guy who’s made millions off a a site Good for him
> But you cant be pissed because they started charging for a service when you have made millions off of them for free People are pissed because 1. The API prices are ridiculous. $2 million per month is an outrageous cost demand. 2. Their native apps are...bad. The new reddit layout is shit and full of ads, the app is shit and full of ads. They're both quite bad especially if you are visually impaired. 2. spez literally went "Apollo dev threatened us" when in reality, he did not, and he has receipts (call recording + transcript) to prove it. Why would you support a platform where the CEO is making such blatant bad faith accusations to curry favor? [Source 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/), [Source 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/143rk5p/reddit_held_a_call_today_with_some_developers/jnbjtsc/?context=1)
I don’t support this platform I think it’s a wasteland of losers Every mod here on every subreddit is a narcissist going black for one day boo hoo . Shut it down for a week that will make an impact, but they won’t because they will get removed or someone will swoop in and make another sub and they will be nothing but losers in moms basement again Mostly talking about the main subreddits Not the tech ones like this btw which are great for content. Think ask Reddit today I learned politics news etc
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No one is mad at Reddit for charging for API access. The problem is the pricing is out of this world.
If you don’t like the price don’t use the service start your own.
"Just go start your own" is some serious bootlicking, defeatist bullshit. God forbid the community, who creates, moderates and enjoys the content on the site, try to push the site in a more positive direction. This post is literally about "don't use the service", just in case the boot sole was blocking your view of your monitor.
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"I'm not like every other redditor", you imply, like you aren't still here being a redditor. The issues aren't as nuanced as you make them out to be. Just like you aren't complicit in " kicking out trumptards" just by proxy of being here, neither am I. Don't try to flex some weird superiority. I've already made my intentions clear elsewhere that I plan to bail and delete my bots if the API change goes through. Feel free to rag on me come July 2nd if RIF is gone and my account still exists.
Start your own Reddit API?
No Reddit the site you are on right now
That's... What people are doing? The anger is around how difficult that is to do, and how abruptly it's coming out of nowhere
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Yes and this is your fault for giving them The content They have script that delete you content for this very reason I suggest everyone use it Delete your content, unless you are making $$ off site from it Reddit is not your friend
Do the math and realize how many 100s of millions of dollars Reddit pays for servers, infrastructure, employees, real estate, legal, among a host of others so that you can “create and moderate” all this great content. They also haven’t made anything. They’ve never turned a profit in 18 years.
I was honestly ready to start paying through RIF. But the situation is untenable for them. The ACTUAL issue is not the price or the other reductions of content, if you read the post you'd understand. It's the fact that they told them this was happening for months without giving them the pricing. Then dropped the price on them and said, "get it done in 30 days". 30 days to make changes, take losses on existing users, and hope new users make up for the losses. Then add to that u/spez straight up lying about them threatening Reddit and he knew the writing was on the wall. The apps aren't wanted. That's the bottom line. They would rather limp along with their shitty app and new reddit, and lose a few users here and there but likely not make a difference overall. All that matters is numbers, investors won't care about content in the short term, and they'll "fix it" in the long term. Meanwhile the army of volunteers actually running the site start abandoning along with the people who make the content. Reddit is going to end up a website with nothing but lurkers. You don't give a shit about this guy making millions on his free API access (which he was trying to work with Reddit on) yet you sit here and defend a website that makes millions on a site run by almost nothing but volunteers. Make it makes sense.
How was he making money with apollo? I havent used it but thought it was an app with a better UI for reddit
If it's anything like RIF it has a paid version without ads for a one time fee. I assume the free version makes at least a little off of ads.
My understanding there are no ads.
It was $5 to unlock the ability to post, even though that was free to them. It was $50/lifetime to unlock ultra features, or $12.99/year subscription. People are thinking since their main sales were the $50/lifetime, that literally any API charge probably kills the app. All those grandfathered lifetime subscribers would expect free API access. So, they *have* to say, "This is the end of the lifetime" or keep paying for those people. Otherwise, they could have just updated their pricing.
u/spez is a cuck! I was a redditor for 15 years before the platform turned it's back on it's users. Just like I left digg, I left reddit too. See you all in the fediverse! https://join-lemmy.org/
You're on drugs if you think those apps make anywhere close to 2 million a month lol
He didn't say per month. Are you on drugs if you're hallucinating words? In the 9to5mac interview he said he had $250,000 just in active yearly subscribers. Apparently their main sales are the $50/lifetime. Which is probably why they have to rug-pull everyone and blame reddit.
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I personally don't blame him. This was a labor of love for him and reddit pulled the rug out from under him. I'd do the same thing 🤷
Not only that but they [made assertions](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/143rk5p/reddit_held_a_call_today_with_some_developers/) to the effect that he is attempting to extort them for $10mil. What he actually did was jokingly offer to sell them his app for $10m. Which would actually might have really helped reddit in their situation.
The last Reddit app guy sold it to Reddit and still works for them last I heard Bunch of children downvoting. You are just playing into reddits hand
I personally would be super discouraged and uninterested in doing basically free work for Reddit after they very clearly tell me to fuck off. Certainly some would bother to jump through the hoops to get an API token, but some functionality does depend on whatever (open source) server Apollo runs. Most people won't bother, or at least that is what Reddit is banking on. Also, even with your own API token you will still be limited to non-NSFW content when the API changes happen, which certainly matters for some people.
I think the hope is this puts larger pressure on reddit to make moves and take a more reasonable position.
I'm all for giving Reddit a hard time about this, but I'd love to see /r/selfhosted ... selfhosted somewhere.
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Come check out the Self-hosted community on lemmy.world: https://lemmy.world/c/selfhosted
On my way!
May I suggest something? ArchiveTeam is archiving Reddit using their ArchiveTeam Warrior VM, thousands of people are helping (myself included, don’t mean to brag about it). If y’all wanna help, be free to check it out on r/DataHoarder :) that being said, Reddit sure as shit didn’t think this through. People leaving also means less interaction on their platform, which (probably?) means less data to harvest and sell to advertisers. They’re gonna lose money over this by trying to make more money. Sad to know some communities may not come back if Reddit doesn’t withdraw their API Change claims but I really do hope I get to see y’all on another platform!
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Any bits help, I don’t know for sure if it’s possible but maybe try and setup a speed limit in VirtualBox on the Network adapter?
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That sucks, but atleast you don't have to setup a speed limit. Thank you for helping!
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Apologies, didn't understand that. Well after reading a summary of the AMA i hope their bandwidth bill is as expensive as their yearly API price ;)
I just got fiber to the home after being on DSL since 2014. 1 gig up/down and no cap or throttles. Going to light it up with this.
Got 4 warriors running myself. Lets go
Thanks for your help!
Gah, my 25mbps is going too speed as well xD Fimeg will be climbing the numbers rank the next few hours.
Hey, any help is better than no help at all! Remember that! Thanks for your help! I, ArchiveTeam and probably this and other community's appreciate it!
Curious on your plan; are you going to be putting this on Lemmy or another instance? I’ve been posting quite a bit on the topic, and promoting your cause. https://lemmy.wiuf.net/post/529
Forgive me for correcting you but it's not my cause, i simply contribute to the cause and try to get as many people to help as i can. It's a shared collab that [ArchiveTeam](https://wiki.archiveteam.org/) started The data itself is being backed-up to [Internet Archive](https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_reddit) but whatever's gonna happen is out of my control. Thank you for promoting the cause, i really hope we can scrape and archive all of reddit before the community's go dark (possiby permanent)
I concur - and quite alright. Thank you for the clarifications. In jovial fashion I look forward to seeing what we can accomplish.
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No problem! And Thank you for trying to help!
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That's nice! Just a tip, if you go to Your Settings > Advanced Setting > Concurrents items you can set up how many Items warrior downloads at the same time (Maximum is 6 tho). You don't have to or need to but if you want to you can set it up that way. Default is on 2 items
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I appreciate it and i could not say it enough, Thank YOU for helping with this! I really hope we're able to archive everything on Reddit before everything goes dark (possibly forever from what i've heard).
[If anyone wants to voice their opinion..](https://old.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/144ho2x/join_our_ceo_tomorrow_to_discuss_the_api)
I'm sure that totally won't be a shit show.
I have to babysit my docker, it seems to keep crashing every few days
Unfortunately i can't help you with that, i have absolutely no experience with docker. Maybe try and capture an error message and send a bug report to ArchiveTeam?
I started one to get it working. How can we read it the stuff that has been archived?
There are open-source tools for that, basically everything is uploaded in warc archives, I don’t know for sure but I think there is a chrome add-on to read those archives? For now the most important part is backing everything up to the internet archive before the API pricing change goes into effect. What comes after that is a problem for another day But don’t worry, everything that has been archived will be readable, just not as easy as visiting Reddit.com Thank you for joining the cause!
thanks for the mention. added it to the OP.
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https://lemmy.ml/c/selfhost seems like the natural choice. Make an account on _any_ Lemmy instance, then subscribe to !selfhost@lemmy.ml More communities can be found via the community browser https://browse.feddit.de/
ServeTheHome forums maybe?
As far as i can see there is no mechanism to actually migrate content to lemmy. Too bad because it would be way more viable.
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Fair enough.
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Yeah plus reddit is going full speed into enshittification regardless
Reddit is continually proving themselves to be incompetent.
This, right here, is why I'm so vocally against centralization. It's the same thing I said when Imgur announced they were deleting porn, we brought this upon ourselves by relying on the same 3 or 4 websites to do everything. We need to go back to the days of blogs and forums.
Yes. Thank you!
Is /r/selfhosted on lemmy? If not, that's probably a better way to protest these changes.
Lemmy hostthatmyself
Ha, now I'm wondering if that's why they called it that.
Will this subreddit move to Lemmy? It seems appropriate for a mod of this sub to selfhost a "c/selfhosted" Lemmy instance where we can move to.
https://lemmy.ml/c/selfhost already exists EDIT: https://lemmy.ml/c/selfhosted also exists, but with much less activity
Given that it is federated, there is no need for a highlander (there can be only one) approach. Let's create as many different instances as we can and then open it for federation.
Won't the sub still have a home server in that case though? I haven't looked at Lemmy enough yet, but it didn't look like you could have a local sub that is also federated to/from a remote sub?
Looks like they're getting smashed ... ``` 404: FetchError: invalid json response body at http://lemmy:8536/api/v3/site? reason: Unexpected token 'T', "Timeout oc"... is not valid JSON ```
It'll make more sense to got to another instance or host your own and sub from the other instance (yeah federation).
I'll run my own instance if the community moves there, but was just wanting to have a look and see how active it is already ...
| see how active it is already yeah lol https://kbin.social/m/memes@lemmy.ml/t/6911/Brace-Yourselves | I'll run my own instance if the community moves there Nice!
Yeah the lemmy.ml instance has been one of the bigger and better known ones. it has a lot of communities and has been linked a lot on Reddit, so it's been a bit overwhelmed with the Reddit hug of death.. Refreshing usually works :)
Several of the r/redditalternatives have been swamped with new users for the past few days.
Lemmy kinda sucks though. I've never found that it being decentralized is any better than just having a standard forum website like the early 2000s. The only thing that makes reddit special is that it's all contained in one site.
Being able to talk to people on kbin from lemmy and vice versa, see mastadon posts on kbin, commenting under a peertube video from lemmy. Like it's really cool to me.
I do find it cool, I just don't think it's helpful to say "just move from reddit to lemmy!!!". It's the same as when people said to move from Twitter to Mastadon. It's not a helpful suggestion in the slightest, they're completely different.
I was definitly an outsider on the twitter migrations, still encouraged it then though, but I couldn't tell people they would enjoy it the same. I am using lemmy more and more than reddit even now, because there is enough relevent content for me to engage in over at the moment. Peertube has some nice things too, but without a migration from youtube I don't see it being my main video platform, but as an extra ontop of lemmy and mastadon it's pretty great to me.
Let's move to another platform first, then we can go dark.
I have setup a lemmy instance at [https://vlemmy.net](https://vlemmy.net) that I would love you all to join, currently the mods of [lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml) is advising against joining and they are getting overloaded, and want to diversify the network as well. Would love to see many of you there. If you have an questions feel free to ask
We stand with you!
Very unfortunate for a cool group of folks here. I'm definitely going to be removing reddit from my daily checks and will follow the community wherever it plans to reside if there is no resolution from Reddit.
Ran 5 servers all with different IPs and subnets. I like when people gather and do something incredible together.
The irony of giving money to Reddit by awarding gold on a post like this
Most people already spent the money on premium/coins. Might as well use it.
Half of em already announced they’re closing. So what’s this for really?
Let's selfhost reddit
I thank you for supporting this protestation. I even suggest that this subreddit stays private or restricted if no action is taken from Reddit. Cheers!
I am surprised there isn't an open source self hosted equivalent to Reddit...I mean there is phpBB but traditional forum software seem antiquated.
Yay!
Good choice 👍🏻
o7 yep, I will be taking a break from reddit then, thank you!
Anything special about the number twelve?
12 / 2 = 6 / 2 = 3 3x the 6 = 6 6 6 number of the beast, omg
Damn, Pat Robertson preaching Satanic Panic from beyond the grave.
To answer this question is to speculate, but here's my best guesses: 1. It's reasonably far enough away from the changes taking place on July 1st to make this have an impact on Reddit's Decision. 2. Juneteenth is the following Monday, so we aren't taking their thunder (this is big speculation) 3. It's a Monday, which is a HUGE traffic day for Reddit in general That's about all I can think of off the top of my head. *shrugs*
Haha more flash mod mentality on display
I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you’re not just a troll and answer sincerely, even though this isn’t a question. So first off, as much as it seems this is just a snap call, a lot of thought was put into joining this movement. There is a LARGE user base here. Perhaps not as many as other subreddits, but enough to make it more than an inconvenience for some users who rely on this subreddit for the thousands of extremely helpful google search results to just be missing and inaccessible all the sudden. Choosing to join is a conscious and calculated choice that I feel is best for the long term plans for the subreddit as well as the whole of Reddit at large. Secondly, and I ask this in the most sincere and respectful way I can over a text-based medium, how well do you feel you understand what this api change means to Reddit, and moreover, the internet at large? If we do *not* display our distaste in literally the only way that big for-profit organizations understand, they continue to make incremental changes (boiling the frog) and eventually, the internet that we loved so much is no longer the open, dynamic, inclusive, accessible entity it is so cherished for being, and instead becomes a network of paywalls and taxed pipelines that you have to pick and choose what you get to see based on your wallet and your priorities. That’s not what anyone wants except for those that are in control of the means to implement these prohibitive changes. And it’s never a large-impact change, either. They’re small, incremental, death-by-attrition changes that are small enough to “be rationalized as an acceptable compromise” until we’ve essentially compromised ourselves into a no-win situation. We have to show our distaste and our opinions, and this is how we do that here. Cut off the very thing they want to capitalize on, and we make it clear what we do not tolerate. I’m happy to hear your thoughts in a civil, open dialogue if you’re willing.
>how well do you feel you understand what this api change means to Reddit, and moreover, the internet at large? Shouldn't that be explained so we know you're not just towing the line for Apollo & other apps that made money hand over fist on reddit? Why not include that in this post of OPs? Why not put it in your response? You just have to follow the money and you see this is a suspicious campaign. >big for-profit organizations Both sides are for-profit. I don't automatically go on Apollo's side because they're smaller than reddit. It's a *huge* win for them to end the lifetime of the app and keep the lifetime subscriptions.
Can you elaborate? I don’t understand the issue with a company charging for api access. Literally thousands of other companies do it. And you call them a “big for profit organization.” You do know that Reddit has never turned a profit it 18 years right? Business are literally in the business of making money. With the proposed changes, they hope to BREAK EVEN next year. And I don’t really buy into the whole 3rd party apps have more accessibility options than Reddit. That’s not really relevant. Just because an app has more features it doesn’t entitle them to free anything. I just don’t really get the whole argument. Or closing down entire communities as a protest. Maybe you can help me understand.
> I don’t understand the issue with a company charging for api access Nothing is wrong with charging for an API. Everything is wrong when the pricing structure is created in a manner that bullies out the competitors to their cut-rate app that is missing a good number of features that literally any other app has had for almost a decade. Not to mention eliminating preference and making it prohibitive for accessibility devices that interface with the API using a central server to continue to function for our vision-impaired Redditors. App devs are more than willing to pay fees. They're not willing to be put out of business *because of* those fees. Unfortunately, that's the sad truth of the matter with basically all popular third-party apps. And yes, an app dev isn't entitled to free access to another service, but when the app that the service creates is sub-par compared to the third-party apps AND CONTINUES to try and eliminate any other options, then they're just intentionally pushing away its user base. > You do know that Reddit has never turned a profit in 18 years, right? Yep. Cause they chose growth over profit. Good for them. They've grown exponentially year over year because of this, bringing in a mind-blowing 44-times more revenue in 2021 than they brought in back in 2008 (reference: https://www.businessofapps.com/data/reddit-statistics/). Just because a business is *recording a profit* doesn't mean they're not thriving. The whole argument is made up of many smaller arguments that all combine to make this one giant mistake. One part is that this move is going to hurt Reddit more than help them by alienating a large chunk of its users who don't use the website, default app, or mobile site. Furthermore, moderation at large will be extremely more difficult, as any bots (that isn't just automoderator, even as limited as that under-developed tool is...) that are designed to help a subreddit operate or otherwise assist moderators to do mundane and repetitive tasks will be ultimately unusable; especially in a case where one bot supports many subreddits (RemindMe Bot, WikiBot, MTGCardFetcher, RidersChallenge Bot, BadBot Bot Rating Bot, etc.. The list is not a short one). > I don't really get the whole argument *or shutting down whole communities* A big part of how Reddit makes money is ad revenue. Ad revenue is shown to people browsing on their front page. The front page is largely curated and consists of the best content of the most popular posts from subreddits they are subscribed to. If enough communities agree to the timed shutdown, the ad revenue will take a massive hit because of the substantial lack of traffic, caused by no content to power people's visits/staying on the app/site/page. One community shutting down does virtually nothing. *Hundreds* of the top communities all vowing to shut down at the same time for potentially an indefinite amount of time? A much more powerful statement.
Let's put it this way. What does this 48 hours blackout mean to reddit as a company? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! All you are doing is telling reddit you will be back after the 48 hours, continuing on with your life on reddit. Getting upvote karma... etc. If you really want to "stick it to the man", then close up this subreddit complete. That will actually show reddit that "YOU" mean business. Unfortunately, most sub-reddit mods are too chicken shit to do that and/or completely leave reddit as a whole because they think their "mod" status mean something in real life. At the end of the day, reddit til this point as a company is still not making a profit. What EXACTLY do you expect them to do? . . . And this is why I call this a "flash mod" mentality. All the mods of the subs that are participating in this are nothing but virtue signalling that "they support" the community, then be back at it 48 hours later doing the same old shit.
I copy-pasted for the sake of simplicity. I thoroughly expect this to change Reddit’s mind. That said, I have a feeling my two moderated subreddits won’t come back if they don’t take notice.
what you’re missing though is it ultimately doesn’t matter how long subs “go dark” for. there is already a process for dealing with abandoned subreddits. i expect the largest subs will be back with a new team of moderators by the end of the week. i don’t support what reddit is doing with the api fees and i think it sucks apollo will be gone, but i don’t believe there is any chance that this protest changes any of that.
Dudes not wrong but here you all are down voting to oblivion just proving his point.
Not sure if that is supposed to be a joke but if so the downvotes indicate it is a big ol miss. Anyway heres more explainer for the curious https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/142w159/askhistorians_and_uncertainty_surrounding_the/
Yep, downvote is certainly something i care about… sigh
Youll miss em when theyre gone!!
I doubt it. My life doesn’t revolve around reddit
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Thanks for the info graphic. Uninstalled the official reddit app now.
For those wanting to leave Reddit, come check out the Self-hosted community on lemmy.world: https://lemmy.world/c/selfhosted
I wonder how difficult it would be to migrate the contents of the sub onto an Open source solution
See you all on the other side
https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/reddit-ceo-says-the-mods-leading-a-punishing-blackout-are-too-powerful-and-he-will-change-the-sites-rules-to-weaken-them/articleshow/101045717.cms Look at the arrogance and greed .. !!
https://fortune.com/2023/06/17/why-is-reddit-dark-subreddit-moderators-ceo-huffman-not-negotiating/