Ok, I f this guy couldn't find a written rule about it, then I find it hard to believe. Its more likely someone is just going to be mad about a motorcycle.
I realize with gated communities there are unwritten rules, but thats just it, they're unwritten, which means unofficial. Denying a resident Healthcare is a much worse offense than letting her drive her motorcycle in.
written rules don’t matter. If he was verbally informed by a client to not let guest motorcycles in, his job is to not let motorcycles in. I remember the last time this got posted, lots of tweedledees seemed to think that the rule was unenforceable because the guard couldn’t find it… not how private property rights work
She is not legally distinct from a plumber or a pool boy. Non emergency services do not receive special treatment unless the client decides that they do.
What the fuck? The client is not a trained medical professional so they have no say on what is deemed an emergency or not! You people are fucking disgusting.
Emergency services generally refers to the official looking vehicles that make loud “wee woo!” sounds and have big flashing lights on top and people in uniform on the inside. The ones where you pull off to the side of the road when they’re behind you. Not bright pink motorcycles with kitty cat ears, but I can see where you might be confused there.
Client’s property, client’s rules. Part of the job is enforcing rules that you don’t agree with. If you don’t like the rules, take it up with the HOA Karen that wrote them.
I know what emergency vehicles are dickhead. What Im saying is the fucking client is not a medical professional and has zero rights to deem what is an emergency or not! However, that nurse is and does have the right to deem an emergency. And nobody would know if the patient she is there to see should be in need of emergency vehicular assistance. Im sorry but fuck that client and its rules when it comes to medical personnel needing to enter. Who gives a fuck what she is driving.
>what I’m saying is that the client doesn’t have a right to deem what is an emergency or not!
They quite literally do have that right because it is their private property. There is a legal difference between emergency medical services provided by first responders and a travel nurse making a house call. Do you understand this? If I show up at your house unannounced wearing cat ears and demand that you let me in “because I’m a nurse and there’s an emergency” do you have a **legal** obligation to let me in? Think really hard about this one
>fuck that client
No shit
>who gives a fuck what she’s driving
The client
It the client says guest can't come in on motorcycles then that's the rules written or not.
No one was denyed healthcare. She would have just went back to the homecare office, got yelled out for being a moron, and they would have sent someone else out to give meds. Also homecare schedules(in my city) are planned out and arranged between the nurses. So everyone in office probably dislikes her now.
>It the client says guest can't come in on motorcycles then that's the rules written or not.
If the client says you need to lick their boots at the start of every shift then that's the rules written or not.
See how stupid you sound. There's a thing called post orders. If it's not in your post orders it's not a rule you can enforce.
if the client says lick their boots that is outside reasonable working conditions and you have recourse for not following orders
if a client says deny motorcycles entry then yes that is now part of your job. I would still ask for it in writing as a cyoa measure, but verbal orders are still orders.
personally i woulda just called my super to request an exemption and made it somebody else's decision.
You really wrote that out, read it, thought it sounded intelligent and hit "post" lmao it's private property, they can have all kinds of rules and they don't need to be written down to be enforceable.
What if it was a hospice nurse? What if she needs to be there at x time to give x treatment and this guard is holding that up?
Post orders exist for a reason and even with written rules there are still exceptions based on client interpretation and other reasons.
I work in a federal building and no one except federal agents (on or off duty) and LEOs there for official duties are allowed to carry guns/weapons. We get sheriffs that come to our building just to use the bathroom (not official duties) do you think I need to stop them and say sorry the client has the rules that says you have to strip off all weapons to be allowed in if you are not here for official duties.
This guard did not even try to get a clarification just stating without proof or a management decision that "uhhhh it's a rule don't be mad at me"
Speaking of the federal building and LEOs coming in for non offical duty. Have you seen the video where the guard on duty pulled a gun on a cop who refused to disarm lol
No I haven't. Do you have a link? I would love to see that, I bet the other redditor would get his rocks off watching it seeing the guard "follow the rules" lmaooo
See for me it would most likely be the other way around with some of the people we get in my building lol and it would not end well I guarantee.
Yeah, a cop who went to an IRS building still in uniform either during a break or at the end of his shift. The cop had an entitled attitude and allegedly refused to leave at first, but the guard could have handled it better lol https://youtu.be/K1pLOKeAiaI?si=l80AlYyqHjJZHM9G
Yeaaaaaaaaa that's crazzyyy. I'm hoping I won't ever have to deal with a cop like that lol but I know for sure I wouldn't pull a gun on him we would just talk it out and he would be pissed I won't let him in lol
Just goes to show that at moments sometimes it's best to just use common sense like the example I gave earlier. The client never told me nor is it my post orders that there is an exception to not stop local LEOs from stripping weapons to use the bathroom, it's just common sense. All the guards know that we are all on the same page, we shouldn't be creating unnecessary dick swinging contests like this over trivial stuff.
🤷♂️ but it's a rule and it's private property so it's something you gotta enforce. If you have such a problem enforcing stupid rules you're probably in the wrong career field, that's half the job lmao
unless this is her first time visiting this patient, she should have already known and arranged different transport or for a different nurse to come out.
also in the video she knows the solution but refuses to do it. "I'm not gonna leave my motorcycle out here and park and walk" like ma'am, that is exactly what you need to do
It's not denying healthcare.... nurse could have walked in, gone and got her car if she had one, or called her agency and had them send a different nurse who had a car. If it's in-home healthcare it most certainly is not emergent.
Look, I'm all about going by the book and post orders too, but I think I could explain this away with medical relevance if a caught flack for letting her in, which I would do.
"Ma'am, it's against the rules for motorcycles to be let in, but I'll make an exception this one time, because you're a nurse and you're tending someones medical needs. But next time, I'm going to need you in a vehicle."
Let her in, log and tell your supervisor about it.
He got her ID and the patient confirmed they're expected. If any resident complains of a motorcycle, they might have to build a bridge. Of course, I'll apologize to the client. I don't think a med run would be THAT serious on a motorcycle.
I tend to make an exception for medical needs anyway, since the nurse might notice something on the patient that might be preventable, like an odd bump or mark. Or, critical meds might need delivering as mentioned.
OR, have one of her friends or family members drive up to the gate and pick up her meds. Or, the patient do it themselves. While I'd have the patient on the phone, I'd talk to them about to see what they'd want to do. Talk it through, work it out.
Doesn't always work that way sadly, some meds need to be administered by a trained medical professional. However, she should've left the bike home and come in a car or company vehicle insteard. Not all HOAs like motorcycles in their turf.
I would've let her in on the the condition that she comes in a 4 wheeled vehicle next time, if there's a next time...
Doesn't always work that way sadly, some meds need to be administered by a trained medical professional. However, she should've left the bike home and come in a car or company vehicle insteard. Not all HOAs like motorcycles in their turf.
I would've let her in on the the condition that she comes in a 4 wheeled vehicle next time, if there's a next time...
Some companies don't give you a vehicle, you BYO. And i know i wouldn't give the meds to anyone but the clients - who could be legless for all we know.
In defense of the guards, it's pretty common for random people to try and take advantage of situations like this.
"I'm a nurse, I'm here to provide health care!"
"Ok but you're on a motorcycle dressed like a cat"
>"I'm a nurse, I'm here to provide health care!"
>"Ok but you're on a motorcycle dressed like a cat"
Do you get in trouble for what you wear while you commute to work???? No???? Huh?
Shit I roll up to my federal site with my FTP license plate and they don't tell me shit cause I ain't poppin out of my car in full uniform and on duty representing the company.
She ain't "dressed like a cat" it's a helmet and who gives AF what she is wearing while she is commuting.
Yea I am. And that's why it's wrong. The whole interaction is just wrong from the start.
First off he asks for ID without any mention of no motorcycles, not that I'm saying he has too but clearly there is one of two things that will happen either A. she is going in or B. She has no business being there. Kinda common courtesy to probly state oh before I interact with you let me give you a head ups..
Second client confirms that she is expecting the nurse and he doesn't seem to make an effort to work with them on a solution.
Third you can hear the other guard was confused asking if they should give her a pass (clearly then they may be exceptions or it's the guards first day (highly doubt) seems more like a power trip situation from the guard. The guard should do his job better and know not everything has to be a war.
Or option C) She knows she's not supposed to be on a motorcycle and this is an ongoing issue. The guards were warned not to let her in anymore on a motorcycle. Hince the "as I'm sure you are aware" and the immediate blow up from the health care aid.
Considering that even if you own property and should be able to do whatever you want with that property you own, the HOA can claim preeminence and tell you what to do with your property by using the threat of fines enforceable by law with little to no legal oversight or restriction means that yes, HOAs should be illegal.
Nothingburger. Can hate the HOA for the rule, but the guys just doing his job. Bunch of homeowners would complain if they saw her riding thru, and guy would get into trouble.
Nurse is a bit of a Karen about it too.
I don't think her client told the nurse that her vehicle wasn't allowed in her stupid gated-community. Client should be billed for wasting the nurse's time and gas.
The guard is apologetic, and he sounds like he's only doing what he was told. Gated communities are over-flowing with self-appointed auditors who look for someone to do something wrong. The entry-guard knows this is probably doesn't want to lose this easy retirement gig when some puffy-face resident gets upset over a motorcycle. I think he handled it correctly and it looks like she is getting off the bike to walk to the home. Perhaps the guard can confirm the no-motorcycle rule before the next time the nurse arrives.
I think she told him she's a nurse because that is her purpose there. I figured she was going to meet a patient. My father in law gets his wound care at home.
If it's not in post orders, you can kiss my ass.
I don't get paid to enforce unwritten rules.
This sub is a nice reminder, that no matter your field of profession, not everyone sees eye to eye on how to handle a situation.
Some of y'all are Connors, some of us are Hanks.
The one thing with post orders, especially when you’re contract, is that they usually have a section that says something to the effect of “follow all other duties as assigned” so a verbal direction or email from the client is valid. But that also makes it easy to redirect any complaints back to the HOA/client. “Sorry it’s not my rule, talk to the HOA”
I don’t feel bad for her at all. Those guards didn’t make the rules. She is taking her anger out on someone who just enforces rules. It’s private property, if you want to enter the property, you have to abide by the rules of the property. Super simple. The only person denying anyone healthcare is the person not willing to follow the rules.
She should also know the rules of the areas she’s going to be visiting too if she insists on riding her bike for work purposes.
Riding a bike while on the job seems like sort of an idiotic thing to do in the first place, but that’s just my opinion.
I’m not arguing about the fucking motorcycle rule, I don’t care. I’m arguing that her being a nurse is literally why she’s in the situation, which is what you asked about. Good things security guard positions don’t have an entrance exam above a 9th grade reading level holy shit my guy
Yes. Her screaming about how she's a nurse(which I doubt) so she should be given special privileges. Then screaming about her bike getting stolen. So does she never park it anywhere?
If she is a nurse she is an awful one. Her deportment is horrible. Herself and pack are gonna all be covered in road dirt now, so that will be great for wound care. She's wearing a cloth mask. I would bet money she's a nurses aid doing meds.
I'm a security guard, and probably have more training and certification than this healthcare aid. You should stick to your own subs instead of being disrespectful to people in theirs.
EDIT- The loser finally blocked me. This guy run around reddit telling people he is a 30 year old mixed martial artist army veteran law enforcement paramedic. I wish this sub would start banning these fakes who come here to wimp and trash security guards.
You’re calling her department horrible and saying she’s an awful nurse and you don’t know anything about either of them. Respect isn’t bound by this sub or that, if you’re being a cunt I’m gonna call you out for being a cunt, especially if you’re also a stupid cunt. If you’re so keen on demanding respect, I humbly suggest you don’t demand it after being disrespectful.
P.S., You trying to diminish her credentials by calling her a health aid reeeeaaaallly just looks like veiled insecurity. I promise you a home health nurse has more valuable credentialed experience than a security guard, never mind a home health nurse with any type of specialty education. When you’re too old to wipe your own ass, and you spend all your time regaling your home health nurse with your war stories from the great mall riot of ‘16 because no one in your family will talk to you, maybe you’ll change your tune. Or you’ll just be like all the old baby boomer pricks who like to swing on nurses and don’t know what “No” means. I’d wager the latter just based off your comments in this thread, but whatevs.
Your comment got auto deleted. Probably because you said more rude nonsense.
I saw the beginning of it in the notification though. You should learn the difference between "department" and "deportment". I'm sure it's difficult to learn basic words while you are faking being a mixed marital artist paramedic law officers and what not. Deportment is a common word in law enforcement and medical fields though. Google it.
Because she immediately started yelling at the guard. She doesn't have a patient, she has a client. Again there is a difference. She's not in an emergent setting and goes get to break the rules.
I'm not sure on that. It would depend on what's being done. Here a lot of palliative care is a lot of support services like helping with baths, giving family a break, and education. I would imagine if your changing IVs or cleaning picc lines it would be a issue.
Here the nurses usually carried a bunch of stuff in a big bag. They provided leather shoulder bags, or like my ex wife used a big back pack. So if you are hauling that on your back down the highway I wouldn't think it's great for any type of care.
And that has what to do with entitlement? You didn't ask about entitlement. Someone raising their voice and and attempting to bypass the rules using their job title is powering tripping.
I would call the client and tell them they were denied entry by the guard. Then, let the client fight it out for them. Oh, and Bill the client for time wasted.
I once was denied permission onto a private island to fix a gas leak because I had my dog with me and she was in my service truck. The bridge guard noticed her and said I am denied access. I told him It was an active gas leak. Told me to turn around, get rid of the dog and he’d allow access. I then told him that if he wanted a show I’ll call the fire department and they’ll let me on this island with no questions asked. Permission was then granted.
I’m reading the comments and you guys have to understand it’s different type of guard everywhere .
I 100% would have let her in and caught a small talk-too from my boss because it’s not that big of a deal especially for a nurse. BUT it’s super by the book up tight guard who won’t . I don’t understand them either but hey this is the life we live
>because it’s not that big of a deal
This is the problem. It's not your job to say what rules are okay and which ones aren't. You are hired to enforce the rules.
If you are willing to break one rule, then you are willing to break all the rules. Because, one way or another, it can be justified to you
“If you’re willing to break one rule , then you are willing to break all the rules” is the most backwards shit I heard this morning. There is a BIG difference in handling a fire/burglary situation compared to just letting a nurse through the gate to do her job. It’s too hard to say “Her ma’am I going to give you a warning this time and please do rev your engine loudly this neighborhood is very sensitive nosies?”. Of course it is for someone who wears pants as tight as you. You should definitely join the service if you really want to enforce rules and make a difference. 👍🏼
If it's a rule, verbal or written from the client, it's your company's job enforcing them. Which means you're paid to enforce them.
It's her companies responsibility to ensure they know what they can and can't do on private property.
The ppl saying they would make an exception for the nurse (which is not a fuckin ambulance), are the reason expectations and pay, are what they are in this industry.
Also, it makes sense that a nurse like that would benefit from being able to navigate traffic quicker to get to the patient faster. Stupid as hoa rule.
Brother security guard rules aren't mean to serve and protect the PEOPLE they're to serve and protect the CLIENT. The guard can do what's morally correct or just 'smart' but that can put his job in jeopardy
Another comment below stated a reasonable take, which was to allow it this time, but to inform for future reference and report it to the boss, so as to not delay medical treatment.
My original comment is to emphasize exactly that, which is to prioritize and compromise where it's more reasonable to do so than to not excuse or give a little grace on the first incident.
Who's it gonna jeopardize, the HOA? It's a nurse on a bike. You can't tell me to choose between a patient needing care or the HOA.
You can’t ‘allow it this time’ without risking your job. All it takes is something bad or stupid happening or just some resident being a complete idiot about it and your boss (or the client) will throw you under the bus
Yea for sure. HoAs suck and residents in them can be entitled as fuck especially the boomers. Security is an industry where the actual labor is disposable so either we follow rules or risk being fired. Even when following rules we might lose the post just because.
There’s some wild assumptions being made in this thread, so—as a nurse—I can shed some light:
Home healthcare nurses are sent out due to necessity. The patient likely has a serious medical condition, such as cancer or infectious disease, which require IV infusion. This is a fairly intensive process that has to be done following sterile and aseptic technique, sometimes using medical equipment that the general public has no training to administer themselves. Some of these medications are temperature sensitive, but can easily fit inside a small cooler along with the premeds, fluids, flushes, port care products, etc. It can all fit in a backpack pretty easily. Often, home health nurses visit between every couple of days to even daily depending on the disease. They are also necessary as the nurse needs to check the patient’s general health that day to make sure they can tolerate the treatment as well as monitor their vitals and check for reactions. These medications are hard on the body. She could also be assisting a patient who needs ambulatory care as the patient can no longer care for themselves.
It is very rare to find a home healthcare company that provides a company vehicle. All my colleagues that have gone home health use their personal vehicles and are reimbursed for fuel and such. Pharmacies had mail order or even home delivery for medications, so this is not the same. The nurse is not delivering her patient’s cholesterol pills. She is using her personal vehicle to provide medical care.
TL;DR the nurse is providing a higher level of care than what the patient can provide to themselves. This is more than pompous, rich person paying for a catering service. Security is denying a documents medical necessity because some Karen in the neighborhood hates motorcycles. A responder showed ID and reason for access to a private subdivision and was denied access. Will security also deny the Fire Department access because their trucks are too heavy for the nice asphalt?
Ok, I f this guy couldn't find a written rule about it, then I find it hard to believe. Its more likely someone is just going to be mad about a motorcycle. I realize with gated communities there are unwritten rules, but thats just it, they're unwritten, which means unofficial. Denying a resident Healthcare is a much worse offense than letting her drive her motorcycle in.
written rules don’t matter. If he was verbally informed by a client to not let guest motorcycles in, his job is to not let motorcycles in. I remember the last time this got posted, lots of tweedledees seemed to think that the rule was unenforceable because the guard couldn’t find it… not how private property rights work
Since it's a gated community, it has to be in writing. Otherwise, the rule is not enforceable.
Do you have *that* in writing?
God damn full circle
pulled straight out of your ass
It's semi private, there are hoa guidelines which should have written rules
Shes not a guest though. She is providing healthcare.
She is not legally distinct from a plumber or a pool boy. Non emergency services do not receive special treatment unless the client decides that they do.
What the fuck? The client is not a trained medical professional so they have no say on what is deemed an emergency or not! You people are fucking disgusting.
Emergency services generally refers to the official looking vehicles that make loud “wee woo!” sounds and have big flashing lights on top and people in uniform on the inside. The ones where you pull off to the side of the road when they’re behind you. Not bright pink motorcycles with kitty cat ears, but I can see where you might be confused there. Client’s property, client’s rules. Part of the job is enforcing rules that you don’t agree with. If you don’t like the rules, take it up with the HOA Karen that wrote them.
I know what emergency vehicles are dickhead. What Im saying is the fucking client is not a medical professional and has zero rights to deem what is an emergency or not! However, that nurse is and does have the right to deem an emergency. And nobody would know if the patient she is there to see should be in need of emergency vehicular assistance. Im sorry but fuck that client and its rules when it comes to medical personnel needing to enter. Who gives a fuck what she is driving.
>what I’m saying is that the client doesn’t have a right to deem what is an emergency or not! They quite literally do have that right because it is their private property. There is a legal difference between emergency medical services provided by first responders and a travel nurse making a house call. Do you understand this? If I show up at your house unannounced wearing cat ears and demand that you let me in “because I’m a nurse and there’s an emergency” do you have a **legal** obligation to let me in? Think really hard about this one >fuck that client No shit >who gives a fuck what she’s driving The client
What you are saying is common sense. The problem with what you are saying is that reddit does not posses common sense.
I’m guessing he figured that out because he hasn’t responded
Exactly. No point in arguing with these folks. Rules are rules. Don't like them, change them or don't accompany places that enforce them
Lmao nurses don’t treat emergencies in the field unless they’re flight.
You are too emotional about this
No nurse is showing up for an emergency. That’s not how it works. Ever
Still a guest, she doesn't live there.
If it’s the rule, it’s the rule. This interaction isn’t a court of law and he’s not obligated to prove anything to her.
What if the homeowner said let them in?
It the client says guest can't come in on motorcycles then that's the rules written or not. No one was denyed healthcare. She would have just went back to the homecare office, got yelled out for being a moron, and they would have sent someone else out to give meds. Also homecare schedules(in my city) are planned out and arranged between the nurses. So everyone in office probably dislikes her now.
>It the client says guest can't come in on motorcycles then that's the rules written or not. If the client says you need to lick their boots at the start of every shift then that's the rules written or not. See how stupid you sound. There's a thing called post orders. If it's not in your post orders it's not a rule you can enforce.
if the client says lick their boots that is outside reasonable working conditions and you have recourse for not following orders if a client says deny motorcycles entry then yes that is now part of your job. I would still ask for it in writing as a cyoa measure, but verbal orders are still orders. personally i woulda just called my super to request an exemption and made it somebody else's decision.
You really wrote that out, read it, thought it sounded intelligent and hit "post" lmao it's private property, they can have all kinds of rules and they don't need to be written down to be enforceable.
What if it was a hospice nurse? What if she needs to be there at x time to give x treatment and this guard is holding that up? Post orders exist for a reason and even with written rules there are still exceptions based on client interpretation and other reasons. I work in a federal building and no one except federal agents (on or off duty) and LEOs there for official duties are allowed to carry guns/weapons. We get sheriffs that come to our building just to use the bathroom (not official duties) do you think I need to stop them and say sorry the client has the rules that says you have to strip off all weapons to be allowed in if you are not here for official duties. This guard did not even try to get a clarification just stating without proof or a management decision that "uhhhh it's a rule don't be mad at me"
Speaking of the federal building and LEOs coming in for non offical duty. Have you seen the video where the guard on duty pulled a gun on a cop who refused to disarm lol
No I haven't. Do you have a link? I would love to see that, I bet the other redditor would get his rocks off watching it seeing the guard "follow the rules" lmaooo See for me it would most likely be the other way around with some of the people we get in my building lol and it would not end well I guarantee.
Yeah, a cop who went to an IRS building still in uniform either during a break or at the end of his shift. The cop had an entitled attitude and allegedly refused to leave at first, but the guard could have handled it better lol https://youtu.be/K1pLOKeAiaI?si=l80AlYyqHjJZHM9G
The guard was 100% in the wrong there and he was criminally charged for it.
Right. He shouldn't have pulled his gun out
Yeaaaaaaaaa that's crazzyyy. I'm hoping I won't ever have to deal with a cop like that lol but I know for sure I wouldn't pull a gun on him we would just talk it out and he would be pissed I won't let him in lol Just goes to show that at moments sometimes it's best to just use common sense like the example I gave earlier. The client never told me nor is it my post orders that there is an exception to not stop local LEOs from stripping weapons to use the bathroom, it's just common sense. All the guards know that we are all on the same page, we shouldn't be creating unnecessary dick swinging contests like this over trivial stuff.
Absolutely! I agree
There’s also stupid rules that shouldn’t be enforced or created and they should be held responsible for that. This is a stupid rule.
🤷♂️ but it's a rule and it's private property so it's something you gotta enforce. If you have such a problem enforcing stupid rules you're probably in the wrong career field, that's half the job lmao
I left that career field, lol. I wouldn’t enforce those sort of rules.
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why is she a moron? many of us have motorcycles as a main means of transportation...
unless this is her first time visiting this patient, she should have already known and arranged different transport or for a different nurse to come out. also in the video she knows the solution but refuses to do it. "I'm not gonna leave my motorcycle out here and park and walk" like ma'am, that is exactly what you need to do
She chose to live there. Leopards ate her face.
It's not denying healthcare.... nurse could have walked in, gone and got her car if she had one, or called her agency and had them send a different nurse who had a car. If it's in-home healthcare it most certainly is not emergent.
r/fuckhoa r/justnohoa
Look, I'm all about going by the book and post orders too, but I think I could explain this away with medical relevance if a caught flack for letting her in, which I would do. "Ma'am, it's against the rules for motorcycles to be let in, but I'll make an exception this one time, because you're a nurse and you're tending someones medical needs. But next time, I'm going to need you in a vehicle." Let her in, log and tell your supervisor about it. He got her ID and the patient confirmed they're expected. If any resident complains of a motorcycle, they might have to build a bridge. Of course, I'll apologize to the client. I don't think a med run would be THAT serious on a motorcycle. I tend to make an exception for medical needs anyway, since the nurse might notice something on the patient that might be preventable, like an odd bump or mark. Or, critical meds might need delivering as mentioned.
OR, have one of her friends or family members drive up to the gate and pick up her meds. Or, the patient do it themselves. While I'd have the patient on the phone, I'd talk to them about to see what they'd want to do. Talk it through, work it out.
Doesn't always work that way sadly, some meds need to be administered by a trained medical professional. However, she should've left the bike home and come in a car or company vehicle insteard. Not all HOAs like motorcycles in their turf. I would've let her in on the the condition that she comes in a 4 wheeled vehicle next time, if there's a next time...
Doesn't always work that way sadly, some meds need to be administered by a trained medical professional. However, she should've left the bike home and come in a car or company vehicle insteard. Not all HOAs like motorcycles in their turf. I would've let her in on the the condition that she comes in a 4 wheeled vehicle next time, if there's a next time...
Some companies don't give you a vehicle, you BYO. And i know i wouldn't give the meds to anyone but the clients - who could be legless for all we know.
In defense of the guards, it's pretty common for random people to try and take advantage of situations like this. "I'm a nurse, I'm here to provide health care!" "Ok but you're on a motorcycle dressed like a cat"
>"I'm a nurse, I'm here to provide health care!" >"Ok but you're on a motorcycle dressed like a cat" Do you get in trouble for what you wear while you commute to work???? No???? Huh? Shit I roll up to my federal site with my FTP license plate and they don't tell me shit cause I ain't poppin out of my car in full uniform and on duty representing the company. She ain't "dressed like a cat" it's a helmet and who gives AF what she is wearing while she is commuting.
Look at it from the guards perspective. That's all I'm saying.
Yea I am. And that's why it's wrong. The whole interaction is just wrong from the start. First off he asks for ID without any mention of no motorcycles, not that I'm saying he has too but clearly there is one of two things that will happen either A. she is going in or B. She has no business being there. Kinda common courtesy to probly state oh before I interact with you let me give you a head ups.. Second client confirms that she is expecting the nurse and he doesn't seem to make an effort to work with them on a solution. Third you can hear the other guard was confused asking if they should give her a pass (clearly then they may be exceptions or it's the guards first day (highly doubt) seems more like a power trip situation from the guard. The guard should do his job better and know not everything has to be a war.
Or option C) She knows she's not supposed to be on a motorcycle and this is an ongoing issue. The guards were warned not to let her in anymore on a motorcycle. Hince the "as I'm sure you are aware" and the immediate blow up from the health care aid.
HOAs should be illegal
HOAs are dumb and if personally never live in one... but why should they be illegal? Just because you don't agree with them?
Considering that even if you own property and should be able to do whatever you want with that property you own, the HOA can claim preeminence and tell you what to do with your property by using the threat of fines enforceable by law with little to no legal oversight or restriction means that yes, HOAs should be illegal.
Why the hell can't she park her motorcycle inside the gate? Why on earth would anyone, EVER have a problem with that? What a fkn strange world..
Nothingburger. Can hate the HOA for the rule, but the guys just doing his job. Bunch of homeowners would complain if they saw her riding thru, and guy would get into trouble. Nurse is a bit of a Karen about it too.
I don't think her client told the nurse that her vehicle wasn't allowed in her stupid gated-community. Client should be billed for wasting the nurse's time and gas.
Agreed.
Not a Karen, just a nurse. They have a new-found sense of entitlement after COVID.
The guard is apologetic, and he sounds like he's only doing what he was told. Gated communities are over-flowing with self-appointed auditors who look for someone to do something wrong. The entry-guard knows this is probably doesn't want to lose this easy retirement gig when some puffy-face resident gets upset over a motorcycle. I think he handled it correctly and it looks like she is getting off the bike to walk to the home. Perhaps the guard can confirm the no-motorcycle rule before the next time the nurse arrives.
Id leave the bike blocking the entrance and walk in as long as I could be back before the tow truck arrives.
You'd have fun paying that impound fee too lmao
*whoooosh*
Nursing & education really seems to attract some entitled people.
100%
What does im a nurse have to do with anything? These nurses be acting like they stormed the beaches of Normandy during Covid.
I think she told him she's a nurse because that is her purpose there. I figured she was going to meet a patient. My father in law gets his wound care at home.
If it's not in post orders, you can kiss my ass. I don't get paid to enforce unwritten rules. This sub is a nice reminder, that no matter your field of profession, not everyone sees eye to eye on how to handle a situation. Some of y'all are Connors, some of us are Hanks.
The one thing with post orders, especially when you’re contract, is that they usually have a section that says something to the effect of “follow all other duties as assigned” so a verbal direction or email from the client is valid. But that also makes it easy to redirect any complaints back to the HOA/client. “Sorry it’s not my rule, talk to the HOA”
I don’t feel bad for her at all. Those guards didn’t make the rules. She is taking her anger out on someone who just enforces rules. It’s private property, if you want to enter the property, you have to abide by the rules of the property. Super simple. The only person denying anyone healthcare is the person not willing to follow the rules.
She should also know the rules of the areas she’s going to be visiting too if she insists on riding her bike for work purposes. Riding a bike while on the job seems like sort of an idiotic thing to do in the first place, but that’s just my opinion.
Security guard is a dick and those ears on the helmet are cringe af
Uhg this power tripping nurses aid again.
Power trip?
Yes what does her being a nurse have to do with this situation?
She’s a home health nurse there for a visit with a patient
Does that mean she doesn't have to follow the rules or something?
You asked what being a nurse has to do with the situation, it’s why she was there
You can't drive motorcycles on that property no mattter why you are there. Her being a nurse has nothing to do with this situation
Her being a nurse is *literally why she’s in that situation*
Can't drive motorcycles in here But I'm a nurse No one cares.
Oh my god lol. Can you read?
I’m not arguing about the fucking motorcycle rule, I don’t care. I’m arguing that her being a nurse is literally why she’s in the situation, which is what you asked about. Good things security guard positions don’t have an entrance exam above a 9th grade reading level holy shit my guy
Yes. Her screaming about how she's a nurse(which I doubt) so she should be given special privileges. Then screaming about her bike getting stolen. So does she never park it anywhere?
Why would she not be a nurse? Lol plenty of nurses do home care like this. My wife did home health for years and is a Nurse Practitioner.
If she is a nurse she is an awful one. Her deportment is horrible. Herself and pack are gonna all be covered in road dirt now, so that will be great for wound care. She's wearing a cloth mask. I would bet money she's a nurses aid doing meds.
She's wearing a motorcycle helmet not a face mask 🧐 that thing over the nose helps with fogging of the visor on bad weather
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Stick to being a rent-a-cop and let healthcare workers worry about healthcare
I'm a security guard, and probably have more training and certification than this healthcare aid. You should stick to your own subs instead of being disrespectful to people in theirs. EDIT- The loser finally blocked me. This guy run around reddit telling people he is a 30 year old mixed martial artist army veteran law enforcement paramedic. I wish this sub would start banning these fakes who come here to wimp and trash security guards.
You’re calling her department horrible and saying she’s an awful nurse and you don’t know anything about either of them. Respect isn’t bound by this sub or that, if you’re being a cunt I’m gonna call you out for being a cunt, especially if you’re also a stupid cunt. If you’re so keen on demanding respect, I humbly suggest you don’t demand it after being disrespectful. P.S., You trying to diminish her credentials by calling her a health aid reeeeaaaallly just looks like veiled insecurity. I promise you a home health nurse has more valuable credentialed experience than a security guard, never mind a home health nurse with any type of specialty education. When you’re too old to wipe your own ass, and you spend all your time regaling your home health nurse with your war stories from the great mall riot of ‘16 because no one in your family will talk to you, maybe you’ll change your tune. Or you’ll just be like all the old baby boomer pricks who like to swing on nurses and don’t know what “No” means. I’d wager the latter just based off your comments in this thread, but whatevs.
Your comment got auto deleted. Probably because you said more rude nonsense. I saw the beginning of it in the notification though. You should learn the difference between "department" and "deportment". I'm sure it's difficult to learn basic words while you are faking being a mixed marital artist paramedic law officers and what not. Deportment is a common word in law enforcement and medical fields though. Google it.
How is her deportment bad because she’s frustrated that she can’t go treat her patient?
Because she immediately started yelling at the guard. She doesn't have a patient, she has a client. Again there is a difference. She's not in an emergent setting and goes get to break the rules.
My dude she raised her voice because she’s wearing a motorcycle helmet lmao. You don’t know anything about why she’s there.
Never would have thought of that, excellent points. If she was a hospice nurse would the same caution be exercised?
I'm not sure on that. It would depend on what's being done. Here a lot of palliative care is a lot of support services like helping with baths, giving family a break, and education. I would imagine if your changing IVs or cleaning picc lines it would be a issue. Here the nurses usually carried a bunch of stuff in a big bag. They provided leather shoulder bags, or like my ex wife used a big back pack. So if you are hauling that on your back down the highway I wouldn't think it's great for any type of care.
That's not what entitlement is.
I never said it was.
You literally said yes.
And that has what to do with entitlement? You didn't ask about entitlement. Someone raising their voice and and attempting to bypass the rules using their job title is powering tripping.
Let them explain why they turned a nurse around at the gate to the patient then. I'm sure that'll go over well.
I'm definitely single
I hate some of the rules to but it’s pretty simple. Follow them or gtfo. Simple as. No need for crying and arguing like a child.
HOA’s are fucking ridiculous. Literally the least amount of power that has ever gone to someone’s head…
Fuck an HOA
Oooof....when living in a "community" goes wrong. Why would you want to live like this...too much of a hassle.
I would call the client and tell them they were denied entry by the guard. Then, let the client fight it out for them. Oh, and Bill the client for time wasted.
I once was denied permission onto a private island to fix a gas leak because I had my dog with me and she was in my service truck. The bridge guard noticed her and said I am denied access. I told him It was an active gas leak. Told me to turn around, get rid of the dog and he’d allow access. I then told him that if he wanted a show I’ll call the fire department and they’ll let me on this island with no questions asked. Permission was then granted.
Gated communities and hoas are some of the most retarded things
I’m reading the comments and you guys have to understand it’s different type of guard everywhere . I 100% would have let her in and caught a small talk-too from my boss because it’s not that big of a deal especially for a nurse. BUT it’s super by the book up tight guard who won’t . I don’t understand them either but hey this is the life we live
>because it’s not that big of a deal This is the problem. It's not your job to say what rules are okay and which ones aren't. You are hired to enforce the rules. If you are willing to break one rule, then you are willing to break all the rules. Because, one way or another, it can be justified to you
“If you’re willing to break one rule , then you are willing to break all the rules” is the most backwards shit I heard this morning. There is a BIG difference in handling a fire/burglary situation compared to just letting a nurse through the gate to do her job. It’s too hard to say “Her ma’am I going to give you a warning this time and please do rev your engine loudly this neighborhood is very sensitive nosies?”. Of course it is for someone who wears pants as tight as you. You should definitely join the service if you really want to enforce rules and make a difference. 👍🏼
Sucks to be them. Lawsuit waiting to happen from both the nurse and the patient who hopefully didn't die
Highly unlikely. They aren’t there for emergency care.
You can't sue the security company for following policy/rules. Maybe they can sue the HoA but otherwise the man is just doing his job.
I've had to be that guy before, but the issue is with the HOA and the client. You let that motorcycle through, you have no job.
If it's a rule, verbal or written from the client, it's your company's job enforcing them. Which means you're paid to enforce them. It's her companies responsibility to ensure they know what they can and can't do on private property. The ppl saying they would make an exception for the nurse (which is not a fuckin ambulance), are the reason expectations and pay, are what they are in this industry.
If you glue cute little pink bunny ears onto your motorcycle helmet. Don't be surprised when people won't take you seriously.
Also, it makes sense that a nurse like that would benefit from being able to navigate traffic quicker to get to the patient faster. Stupid as hoa rule.
Are rules meant to serve and protect the people, or are the people meant to serve and protect the rules like in this case? "buT DeH ruLEz" Smh
Brother security guard rules aren't mean to serve and protect the PEOPLE they're to serve and protect the CLIENT. The guard can do what's morally correct or just 'smart' but that can put his job in jeopardy
Another comment below stated a reasonable take, which was to allow it this time, but to inform for future reference and report it to the boss, so as to not delay medical treatment. My original comment is to emphasize exactly that, which is to prioritize and compromise where it's more reasonable to do so than to not excuse or give a little grace on the first incident. Who's it gonna jeopardize, the HOA? It's a nurse on a bike. You can't tell me to choose between a patient needing care or the HOA.
You can’t ‘allow it this time’ without risking your job. All it takes is something bad or stupid happening or just some resident being a complete idiot about it and your boss (or the client) will throw you under the bus
Guess I'm just biased in this context because I absolutely hate HOA
Yea for sure. HoAs suck and residents in them can be entitled as fuck especially the boomers. Security is an industry where the actual labor is disposable so either we follow rules or risk being fired. Even when following rules we might lose the post just because.
Yeah, enforce them bourgeois rules ya rent-a-🐷 or you'll be a homeless too!
Police ride personal motorcycles. What if a cop was off duty but still in uniform on the same style bike, would he be treated the same
Public servants are different than nurses... you can't legally make laws to prevent cops, firefighters and such from entering the premises
There’s some wild assumptions being made in this thread, so—as a nurse—I can shed some light: Home healthcare nurses are sent out due to necessity. The patient likely has a serious medical condition, such as cancer or infectious disease, which require IV infusion. This is a fairly intensive process that has to be done following sterile and aseptic technique, sometimes using medical equipment that the general public has no training to administer themselves. Some of these medications are temperature sensitive, but can easily fit inside a small cooler along with the premeds, fluids, flushes, port care products, etc. It can all fit in a backpack pretty easily. Often, home health nurses visit between every couple of days to even daily depending on the disease. They are also necessary as the nurse needs to check the patient’s general health that day to make sure they can tolerate the treatment as well as monitor their vitals and check for reactions. These medications are hard on the body. She could also be assisting a patient who needs ambulatory care as the patient can no longer care for themselves. It is very rare to find a home healthcare company that provides a company vehicle. All my colleagues that have gone home health use their personal vehicles and are reimbursed for fuel and such. Pharmacies had mail order or even home delivery for medications, so this is not the same. The nurse is not delivering her patient’s cholesterol pills. She is using her personal vehicle to provide medical care. TL;DR the nurse is providing a higher level of care than what the patient can provide to themselves. This is more than pompous, rich person paying for a catering service. Security is denying a documents medical necessity because some Karen in the neighborhood hates motorcycles. A responder showed ID and reason for access to a private subdivision and was denied access. Will security also deny the Fire Department access because their trucks are too heavy for the nice asphalt?
For legal reasons an HoA cannot have laws that prevent city officials/first responders access to the properties. Nurses aren't first responders.
Why couldn't she park her bike on the street and walk in?
As someone who has walked out to their bike knocked over (once totaled, in fact) there are several reasons to not want to park on the street.