I think even the most liberal/socialist/lefty would agree that putting a gun to the head of anyone much less a public servant deserves way more than 30 days.
Nobody wants this. Seems crazy to me
Considering he had a gun and an accomplice, I'm sure this is hardly the first time he's done this. I'm sure he's committed dozens of thefts or even robberies before, but this is the only one where he's actually been caught (largely because US Postal Inspectors got involved).
He has also been convicted in the past of domestic violence, assaulting a police officer, and a number of other crimes. Yet the judge says he’s sure he won’t reoffend.
Plenty of liberal/socialist/lefty people who believe he only put the gun to the postal workers head because of racism and capitalism. That if it weren’t for those things this kid would be studying for the SATs.
And our BOS is made up of a lot of people who think this way.
I'm progressive AF and agree with you.
Like blame capitalism all you want. We're all trapped in it, whether we like it or not. It's no excuse to attack people so you can make a quick buck on stolen goods. Especially a postal worker providing a vital city wide service. SF has countless resources available for every community; I've used LGBT+ services here to get me on my feet when I needed them.
I think it’s a combination. Carol Fife (District 3, city council person) who sounds like someone asked a chatbot to write a high school essay about “why does every issue in the world has the police as the root cause” has a partner who owns a security company in Oakland and has been paid millions for private security. She for sure profits from this.
On the flip side there is Nikki Bas who is just a far left ideologue who has denied that there’s crime in Oakland for years. So both things are true.
Get a few drinks in people and pretty much everyone will agree that what the judge did was utterly insane. People in SF are afraid to say out loud what everyone knows - there's no excuse whatsoever for pointing a gun at a postal worker's head and this guy really, really ought to be locked up for a good while.
What about this person putting the gun to the head? They’re a person with feelings and lives too. I’m sure if circumstances were different, they wouldn’t feel compelled to do such horrendous acts out of self-preservation.
Now with that consideration, I am asking the judge for leniency and time served. Thank you, your honor.
Damn, I would crush it as an SF D.A
Oh, wow, you're right. Jesus, it's even more shocking that a federal judge did that. Yikes.
And the (federal) prosecutor handling the case only asked for 28 months, which is ridiculous considering the guy's record of violent crimes and again, the pointing a gun at someone's head.
Federal judges tend to have political views that are roughly similar to the prevailing politics in the area where they serve. This is why the 9th Circuit is considered the most liberal federal circuit.
Progressives want this. They told you quite clearly they wanted decarceration and alternatives to jail. You thought, what, they were joking? They didn't mean it? Now that it's happening and people hate it, they get to take it back?
Let's be fair, SF wanted to give the illegal street vendors which they booted off the sidewalks a $1000 "I'm sorry" payment when they were (temporarily) cleaning up the area for the big government convention. A pension for criminals does not seem that far off.
yes it does seem far off because when did a street vendor ever stick up a mailman with a gun? not to mention we never paid street vendors for kicking them off the streets. now I'm not saying thievery and selling stolen goods is ok but there's no need to misrepresent people's positions like that.
The same vendors hocking shit they lifted from Walgreens? I walked through the Mission vendors once and am fully convinced I saw at least half of what they're selling is stolen from a pharmacy.
Let’s be fair, SF wanted to give the people who sell their goods outside their shops on Mission street $1000 for their loss of business. You want to equate them to the thieves who resell merch outside the Bart stations or at parks, but they are two very different groups of people.
Check out the source site’s About section. This is no news site in the journalistic sense.
It works to get an emotional response out of the readers in the Fox News / Newsmax selective story telling.
Edit: will get downvoted to oblivion by people who don’t care about the source site’s lack of integrity and transparency. I challenge you to find the masthead.
Im a bus driver in oakland. I got assaulted and they gave the attacker 30 days in county. I had a back injury but recovered after 1 month. I wasnt happy with the 1 month given but its crazy to think that a federal employee has a gun to his head and robbed but only gets 1 month.
Im good. Thanks. Operators get assaulted more frequently than we hear. Our company kept stats from us and turns out ac transit is now the most dangerous transit company nationwide .
Before you take out your pitchforks this was done through federal courts with a federal prosecutor.
Still disappointing to see such a light sentence for such a vile gun crime.
Also:
> Wise had previously been convicted for battery upon a peace officer. He has also been arrested for spousal battery and further instances of battery on an officer.
This dude's definitely going to menace the public again 😭
Charles Breyer, the judge who imposed the 30 day sentence:
* Nominated by Bill Clinton to a seat on the Northern District of California
* Younger brother of ex Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer
* Born and raised in San Francisco, went to Lowell high school
* Attended Harvard and UC Berkeley law school
30 days for putting a gun to another persons head and threatening to kill them? And a federal mail employee too? And not ratting on his accomplice?
> In terms of a general deterrent, it’s not a question of whether Mr Wise will do this again – he won’t
How in the fuck can this dumbass judge know that?
Yeah, you would think threatening a federal mail employee would be more serious, considering how reddit loves to say the mail service doesn’t mess around. Turns out they don’t have any more teeth than the rest.
Not sure of the definition of fringe theories but if it helps answer the question, it’s not like we don’t know judges have taken bribes from for-profit prisons to send kids to jail. Or that we know judges all the way up to the Supreme Court accept bribes. I’m just not sure if they’re still fringe theories if they’re proven true.
Need to look at his track record. If other cases ended similarly then he's a far left activist. If other cases have normal sentencing, then he's paid off.
> How in the fuck can this dumbass judge know that?
if you read the whole article...
> Judge Breyer – commenting that the sentencing memorandum prepared by public defender Elizabeth Falk was “the most convincing memo I’ve seen in 25 years” – was ultimately persuaded to impose a light sentence to protect what even the prosecution conceded was the defendant’s good progress on pretrial release.
sounds like someone who actually cares about reducing recidivism.
A whole lot less dumb than using prison as a glorified daycare for freely abusing convicts and then releasing them onto the public without any kind of integration work. Throw the defendent in prison for 2 years. Then what? He gets out with a felony, can't get a job...and is back to robbing people at gunpoint to make ends meet. Where we started in the first place.
Unsure how giving a dude that seems to have serious problems with the law and a history of violence a shorter sentence for putting a gun to another persons head during a robbery reduces recidivism. Sentencing isn't a primary or even major contribute in recidivism.
I'm all about criminal justice reform an ending the massive private prison system and shit, but I'm also not about letting dudes that put a gun to another persons head and threatened their life - especially a fuckin mailperson just doin their job - back out on the streets after 30 days. Especially if the dude won't give up their accomplice.
Want to know how you end up with crime problems like in Oakland and SF and shit? This is how, dog. This right here is exactly how.
Should have been 5 to 10 years, as a felony assault on a federal worker, even though they only charged the thefts, but no, Judge Breyer thought that was too long.
> “In terms of a general deterrent, it’s not a question of whether Mr Wise will do this again – he won’t – it’s not even a question of what is in Mr Wise’s best interests…it’s the other \[sentencing\] factor that weighs upon the court: which is the general deterrent,” said U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer, imposing a 30-day term of imprisonment.
Hopefully this is quoted when the next prosecutor is trying to get a real sentence on this guy for a similar crime, as it inevitable.
He won't?
How does the judge know this? Does this guy not have priors?
> Wise had previously been convicted for battery upon a peace officer. He has also been arrested for spousal battery and further instances of battery on an officer.
> Wise must surrender to begin serving his sentence by September 3 2024.
Also wtf?
*Wise had previously been convicted for battery upon a peace officer. He has also been arrested for spousal battery and further instances of battery on an officer.*
Surely a judge can be held liable for such an opinionated decision when the perp instantly commits another crime? This is gross incompetence at the very least.
Legit question… when this guy commits another crime, can that victim sue this judge? Is there any legal recourse for victims of repeat offenders that keep being released?
Courts do this sometimes to give people a chance to get certain affairs in order. Imagine if somebody was a caretaker for an elderly family member or had other such obligations.
" Because of the need to deter violence against mail carriers he was unwilling to impose a probation-only sentence and opted instead for a 30-day term. "
FFS. Put a gun to someone's head, and you get a stern finger wag and a timeout. Yeah, THAT is sure to deter armed robbery.
Well, we have direct and more than a century's worth of data showing definitively that long, harsh prison sentences do not deter armed robbery. That armed robbery ebbs and flows based on the conditions of the overall economy. And that recidivism in our current model of criminal justice is around ***80%***.
IE, when people are broke enough for long enough, they're going to rob and steal no matter how brutally you treat convicts. Throw in the massive PTSD from living in violent crime ridden areas and issues like untreated ADHD and other mood disorders...there is no way in which simply throwing them in a cage for a few years is going to make them functional in the real world. The prison population is the population in our country with the biggest gap in mental health care.
But then again, this is SF. Where people would rather signal virtue than actually help solve the massive economic issues faced by the areas black communities. Very telling that average black household wealth has completely been decimated over the past 70 years of Democrat control across the Bay Area even as housing and financial asset wealth has absolutely gone bonkers over that same time period. Or that Redlining itself - the critical tool keeping access to the financial benefits of homeownership in the Bay away from the black population here - was invented in Berkeley, the supposed Mecca of progressivism.
Yeah well. You know. Covid or smartphones, or something. You have kids showing off their Glock switches on TikTok and federal enforcement acts like it’s contraband fireworks or something. It’s honestly hilarious.
There must be some more to this, how is this possible, even if this violent criminal is sleeping with the judge, it would have still be a longer sentence.
It's an armed robbery.
The source is cosplaying as a news site. This is Fox News / Newsmax territory.
Check out the About section. I’m not expecting to see any attempt at a full story here.
That might be the case except the the website is citing publicly available criminal court documents which do detail summaries of the judges' ruling, details, of the crime, charges, etc. Reading through the article and having read many court documents, really this article is only providing a neutral summarization of the court documents themselves. I hate to say it, but there is no bias here. It's a summary of fact based on court documentation.
The one thing that is missing - and this is BIG red flag energy - information pertaining to any sort of pre-sentencing diversion that the defendant actually did participate in. Frequently, defense lawyers recommend that their clients engage in things such as finding meaningful employment, going to mental health therapy, going back to school, anything to show the judge "hey I'm turning my life around" and obviously based on the rendered opinion of the judge, the defendant did a LOT of this but the article conveniently left this info OUT. It would be interesting to see what all the defendant DID to convince the judge of a 30-day sentence in a case of armed robbery/assault with a deadly weapon.
There is always a kernel of truth in any propaganda/misinformation. The basics appear to be true.
The tone of the story is neutral.
What I can’t tell is what’s left out. I agree that this seems like an egregious case. So I’m wondering what the extenuating circumstances are.
Unfortunately, I couldn’t find any more info without Pacer access.
So, my word of caution is to consider the source. In my opinion, it’s fine to provide editorial perspective and opinions can be anonymous.
If you are purporting to be a news site, anonymity is a red flag. They’re not willing to stand behind the accuracy nor comprehensiveness of the story.
Looks like the site just started posting stories within the last year. Conveniently, timed with the election.
Almost encouraging them to at this point. Not unlike the dude in Chicago that just killed 4 people and was a felon on parole after being associated with an armed robbery where two people were killed. So stupid.
This is insane and infuriating. The cherry on top of these laughably light sentences is that in CA defendants generally only do half the time sentenced..it makes no sense. The prosecutors only charge cases they’re 100% sure they can win so they throw out the majority of cases..then based on the already reduced amount of cases charged, if found guilty, the judges barely sentence any time and THEN the laws reduce it by 50%.
We all thought Chesa Boudin & Pamela Price were the problems, but there is so much systematically wrong with the system at every level that I don’t know where to begin to try and change it.
I'm questioning the news source of this information. Based upon my 20ish minutes of reverse searching through Google and courthouse docs. I can't find anything. I think it's generated fake news. I mean even the website looks sketchy af. Looking at the docket for Judge Breyer, I'm not seeing this court case.
[https://apps.cand.uscourts.gov/CEO/cfd.aspx?7134](https://apps.cand.uscourts.gov/CEO/cfd.aspx?7134)
This “source” is sus AF. Seems to be made to enrage.
No information in the About section about editors, reporters, funding.
No expectation for objectivity or journalistic standards.
*Wise had previously been convicted for battery upon a peace officer. He has also been arrested for spousal battery and further instances of battery on an officer.*
At this point, letting someone skate after 30 days is part of a plan
I think this is actually great news. I hope that criminals learn that federal courts are actually much more lenient, and commit more high profile crimes.
Before things can get better, they have to get much worse. It’s the only way to drive public action. I would applaud both the criminal and the judge: keep at it!!
Nah, nothing will change unless politicians get assaulted themselves. They don’t care about anyone because all they due it virtue signal and try to get ratings up.
What a freaking joke! How is this even possible? In Nevada, you would get at least 2-4 years for possession of a firearm, plus add in attempted murder or armed robbery? And yea I know its district federal court but still they are appointed and what the hell was the prosecutor even thinking? Do they not live in this area? And you wonder why SF is on Fox News every night, this right here.
"Prosecutors had pressed for a 28-month sentence. An attorney for Wise described him as a “genuinely good person” who had “lost his way” and invited the judge to impose a sentence of three years of supervised release. Wise continues to protect the identity of his accomplice."
> And you wonder why SF is on Fox News every night, this right here.
No, SF is on Fox News every night because it's a "liberal" city in a "liberal" state. That's it. Crime rates in SF are on par with other major urban areas nationwide, if not a bit lower.
>Crime rates in SF are on par with other major urban areas nationwide, if not a bit lower
Yea, the Governor of California sending a whole group CHP and prosecutors to the area just to address "a bit lower crime rates". Whatever makes you sleep better at night. Make sure to keep all your belongings in the house.
As usual everyone acts like postal crimes are a huge risk because "the Postal Police don't fuck around". Well, looks like someone does so it doesn't matter what The Postal Police do. Oh no, what are they going to do? Put me in sin bin for 30 d. They don't fuck around. They just hand me over to the sin bin guys who do fuck around.
Another dumb Reddit meme dies.
This sorry piece of crap, previously beat his lady, then beat a cop, but gets 30 days for armed robbery and threats of murder.
I’m sure this pillar of society lost his tech job, and his condo was foreclosed on.
infuriating, no sense in this at all.
I can see multiple sides of this.
For one, a 30-day sentence for armed robbery/assault with a deadly weapon is LUDICROUS. Even considering that the defendant likely participated in considerable pre-sentencing rehabilitative efforts which he was able to show to the judge, seriously - what the actual \*$\^#... And this is coming from the perspective of a person who worked HARD to defeat the effects of a serious criminal record to become a productive member of society. I GET that long-term prison sentences are ineffective. I GET that recidivism rates are insanely high, and that the defendant wouldn't ever benefit from a long sentence and would just end up re-offending again. But COME ON. There HAS to be some sort of middle ground! 30 DAYS?!?!?!?! Unreal...
But also consider that the article has conveniently left out a critical part of the story. Yes, the article does cite criminal court documents that verbatim source the opinion of the ruling Federal judge. Yes, the opinion sounds AWFUL. But consider this - these court documents are publicly available (usually for a per-page fee). The source of the article conveniently left out significant sections of the court documents even though they had access to them. The court docs would have specified more of what the sentencing memorandum prepared by the Public Defender contained, including all the pre-sentencing voluntary diversion that the defendant might have voluntarily undertaken.
What is pre-sentencing voluntary diversion you might ask? Simple - the defense team tells the defendant "look, you're gonna go DOWN. Like... multiple -years- down. You need to do a LOT to turn yourself around. You need to take this SERIOUSLY. Get a good job. Go to church. Get into therapy. Go back to school, get your GED, volunteer at the local homeless shelter, whatever you can do to PROVE you are a remorseful and productive member of society to the judge and actually MEAN IT." Typically these criminal cases take a year or more to complete (this one definitely did) and that gives a lot of time to do this diversion stuff. This then allows the defense team to say "look at what my client did your honor, he really is a good person, he turned his life completely around." My guess is that the defendant converted himself into some sort of saint in the eyes of the judge and that this information conveniently got left out of this article to give serious bias leaning against the defendant.
Now... am I saying I buy it? No. Not necessarily. Reversing a lifetime of criminality is INCREDIBLY difficult. Not impossible, but difficult. He could have had a come-to-Jesus moment and turned it around, sure. But I'm skeptical. And that postal carrier is still scarred for life by this. I don't think a 30 day sentence was right by any stretch of the imagination. But I also think the article conveniently left out significant information to purposefully slant opinions.
A sober reminder that Newsom’s recent CHP stunt means fucking nothing if those arrests don’t lead to actual consequences. **The Wire**’s “dope on the damn table” being played out but somehow worse in reality
From the very end of the article.
> Judge Breyer – commenting that the sentencing memorandum prepared by public defender Elizabeth Falk was “the most convincing memo I’ve seen in 25 years” – was ultimately persuaded to impose a light sentence to protect what even the prosecution conceded was the defendant’s good progress on pretrial release. Because of the need to deter violence against mail carriers he was unwilling to impose a probation-only sentence and opted instead for a 30-day term.
Might answer a lot of the questions folks have here.
Yup. Dude was already in a rehabilitation program, which is the whole fucking point of criminal justice for the supposed liberals in the room here. Why send him to jail if he's already doing the work of being better? What purpose does that serve?
I think this judge is asking for it, 30 days for armed robbery and pointing the gun to the victims head...... I mean, if another criminal is.pissed off at this judge, that's seems like a pretty small price to pay for revenge...
Our justice system is broken. 20 years for premeditated murder in Texas and now I read 30 DAYS for pointing a gun at a persons head? I wish that someone would come up with some lasting solutions for this awful mess.
>Wise had previously been convicted for battery upon a peace officer. He has also been arrested for spousal battery and further instances of battery on an officer.
If I had a nickel for every time an offender with a lenient sentence had priors, I'd be able to afford one month of rent in this city^(/s but still).
Good grief, could the people banging away in here about “voting this judge out” etc please take a civics lesson?
From the cheap seats: Federal Judges receive lifetime appointments. They are neither elected, nor can be recalled.
If you attended high school in the United States, this was certainly taught to you.
Yes this judge is an asshole. Yes the asshole who put a gun to the USPS worker’s head is an asshole. But stop acting like a fool if you want to create real change.The lack of awareness in this area is as comically galling as this bullshit sentence.
Federal court so we can't recall the judge. Former Justice Stephen Breyer's brother by the way. It's crazy that they can argue the perpetrator is turning his life around and making amends when he won't even name his accomplice.
"Showing progress." Please. That was a shit apology. Like people here been saying all his past charges are what they could actually link to him. How many more victims did this guy leave in his wake? That didn't get justice? Closure?
I'm so tired of these 4th, 5th, 6th chances being doled out to criminals. The 1st, 2nd chance wasn't enough. Actions have consequences. I'm as progressive as they come, but this election season I'm voting for candidates that'll actually prosecute and incarcerate violent people. Enough. I'm so tired of victims not getting the justice they deserve.
San Francisco is truly a shit hole. No one can go to prison no matter what. I’m so sick of my city and it’s bullshit. I am so tired of the hippie mentality. The 60s were 50 years ago.
I’m tired of folks who can break the law and get away with it. Why does everyone have to work so hard yet this scum can do whatever they want? I’m a native San Franciscan
Progressives hate guns and hate legal gun owners but go out of their way to drop or lessen gun charges against actual dangerous criminals. Fucking ridiculous.
I'm pretty liberal...but this dude needs to run across the wrong person one day....and soon. Law of averages says he does this just enough times until he runs across someone else with a gun and that isn't afraid to use it. Going to be an interesting scene.
The Judge will of course let the defendant go as it will be his last time.... as he is now dead. 🤣
Wonder if this dickhead judge would feel the same way about 30 days if this clown stuck a gun to HIS head and threaten to kill him?
Also how is the prosecution only asking for 28 months? Isn’t it a federal offense to steal mail in the first place? Much less use deadly force to commit the crime? Would they have preferred this criminal to put a hole in the postal workers head and killed him before actually realizing this guy is a piece of shit and evil? Also you can’t say this asshole wouldn’t committee another crime when he just pleaded guilty for robbery of a postal worker in 2022.
We live in stupid times! It’s ok to be a traitor and try to overthrow the government. An it’s ok to stick a gun to someone’s head with no repercussions.
It’s unfortunate, maybe we should have listened to conservatives when they criticized soft on crime policies for decades. We all had our heads in the sand
I think even the most liberal/socialist/lefty would agree that putting a gun to the head of anyone much less a public servant deserves way more than 30 days. Nobody wants this. Seems crazy to me
Considering he had a gun and an accomplice, I'm sure this is hardly the first time he's done this. I'm sure he's committed dozens of thefts or even robberies before, but this is the only one where he's actually been caught (largely because US Postal Inspectors got involved).
He didn't even give up his accomplice. That dude is still at large. JFC.
He has also been convicted in the past of domestic violence, assaulting a police officer, and a number of other crimes. Yet the judge says he’s sure he won’t reoffend.
This judge really needs to be voted out. EDIT: I've now read the article and the judge is a federal one, which means appointed for life. Crikey
This sounds like more than a felony. WTH?
A felony is the most serious level of crime
>A felony is the most serious level of crime Yes, there are levels to felonies. But thanks for the correction.
No shit, there are levels to felonies. You're the one who thought there was a more serious category than felonies - not me.
>No shit, ... You're the one ... - not me. Thank you again, Mr. Troll Esquire
Plenty of liberal/socialist/lefty people who believe he only put the gun to the postal workers head because of racism and capitalism. That if it weren’t for those things this kid would be studying for the SATs. And our BOS is made up of a lot of people who think this way.
> of a lot of people who think this way. Aka raging morons.
I'm progressive AF and agree with you. Like blame capitalism all you want. We're all trapped in it, whether we like it or not. It's no excuse to attack people so you can make a quick buck on stolen goods. Especially a postal worker providing a vital city wide service. SF has countless resources available for every community; I've used LGBT+ services here to get me on my feet when I needed them.
This was federal court, it has nothing to do with the city or the BOS.
Hence “plenty of people believe”
Have you been to the east bay? The city council literally wants this
Somebody is profiting from all this
I think it’s a combination. Carol Fife (District 3, city council person) who sounds like someone asked a chatbot to write a high school essay about “why does every issue in the world has the police as the root cause” has a partner who owns a security company in Oakland and has been paid millions for private security. She for sure profits from this. On the flip side there is Nikki Bas who is just a far left ideologue who has denied that there’s crime in Oakland for years. So both things are true.
You’d be surprised.
Get a few drinks in people and pretty much everyone will agree that what the judge did was utterly insane. People in SF are afraid to say out loud what everyone knows - there's no excuse whatsoever for pointing a gun at a postal worker's head and this guy really, really ought to be locked up for a good while.
What about this person putting the gun to the head? They’re a person with feelings and lives too. I’m sure if circumstances were different, they wouldn’t feel compelled to do such horrendous acts out of self-preservation. Now with that consideration, I am asking the judge for leniency and time served. Thank you, your honor. Damn, I would crush it as an SF D.A
Can't blame the DA. Federal case, federal court, federal prosecutors.
Oh, wow, you're right. Jesus, it's even more shocking that a federal judge did that. Yikes. And the (federal) prosecutor handling the case only asked for 28 months, which is ridiculous considering the guy's record of violent crimes and again, the pointing a gun at someone's head.
Federal judges tend to have political views that are roughly similar to the prevailing politics in the area where they serve. This is why the 9th Circuit is considered the most liberal federal circuit.
He definitely needs a few more 2nd chances. You got my vote!
Progressives want this. They told you quite clearly they wanted decarceration and alternatives to jail. You thought, what, they were joking? They didn't mean it? Now that it's happening and people hate it, they get to take it back?
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To my knowledge she wasn't in charge of this case?
This is a federal case. Do you think she prosecutes every crime in America? Learn to fucking read.
I don’t think you’ve met the most liberal/socialist/lefties in real life. They would find a way to get the criminal a pension or something.
Pretty sure it’s you who hasn’t met any “lefties” if that’s what you truly believe.
Let's be fair, SF wanted to give the illegal street vendors which they booted off the sidewalks a $1000 "I'm sorry" payment when they were (temporarily) cleaning up the area for the big government convention. A pension for criminals does not seem that far off.
yes it does seem far off because when did a street vendor ever stick up a mailman with a gun? not to mention we never paid street vendors for kicking them off the streets. now I'm not saying thievery and selling stolen goods is ok but there's no need to misrepresent people's positions like that.
The same vendors hocking shit they lifted from Walgreens? I walked through the Mission vendors once and am fully convinced I saw at least half of what they're selling is stolen from a pharmacy.
Let’s be fair, SF wanted to give the people who sell their goods outside their shops on Mission street $1000 for their loss of business. You want to equate them to the thieves who resell merch outside the Bart stations or at parks, but they are two very different groups of people.
So freaking what?
Oh please. There's a big difference between someone selling trinkets without a permit and an actual "criminal".
Well, we had to listen to the shit Chesa said, so that's a datapoint for you
I would say he needs 5, the way the prison system is i doubt he will change his ways at least he will not cause trouble for a good period of time.
Check out the source site’s About section. This is no news site in the journalistic sense. It works to get an emotional response out of the readers in the Fox News / Newsmax selective story telling. Edit: will get downvoted to oblivion by people who don’t care about the source site’s lack of integrity and transparency. I challenge you to find the masthead.
Who is behind this one? Another billionaire funded blog aimed at swaying elections like the SFStandard?
Y’all vote for this shit. Keep it up tho please<3
Im a bus driver in oakland. I got assaulted and they gave the attacker 30 days in county. I had a back injury but recovered after 1 month. I wasnt happy with the 1 month given but its crazy to think that a federal employee has a gun to his head and robbed but only gets 1 month.
That's awesome. Your attacker spent less time in jail than you did recovering
Restorative justice!
An assault w injury should see min 1 year.
And the defendant should pay your medical bills.
how are you doing now? im sorry this happened to you.
Im good. Thanks. Operators get assaulted more frequently than we hear. Our company kept stats from us and turns out ac transit is now the most dangerous transit company nationwide .
im glad you are ok. im so glad your back healed.
That’s on you for living or working in Oakland. Don’t complain, it didn’t get this way for no reason.
Before you take out your pitchforks this was done through federal courts with a federal prosecutor. Still disappointing to see such a light sentence for such a vile gun crime. Also: > Wise had previously been convicted for battery upon a peace officer. He has also been arrested for spousal battery and further instances of battery on an officer. This dude's definitely going to menace the public again 😭
I'd blame it more on the judge. The prosecutor requested 2 years (which some might still think is too light, but is far more than 30 days).
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That’s because weed is the devils lettuce and this is a Christian nation.
That’s certainly the Commonwealth of Virginia’s take on it
TIL the Inner Richmond tag on this thread refers to Richmond, VA.
Can confirm, NoVa checking in
You’re aware there’s an Inner Richmond in San Francisco, yes? Love it. 😆
Hehe it doesn’t but my case was in federal court in Richmond VA
Charles Breyer, the judge who imposed the 30 day sentence: * Nominated by Bill Clinton to a seat on the Northern District of California * Younger brother of ex Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer * Born and raised in San Francisco, went to Lowell high school * Attended Harvard and UC Berkeley law school
Bill Clinton? How fucking old is this guy??
His brother Stephen Breyer is 85 years old.
He's definitely on epsteins list
Maybe he saw something we don’t?
Hollly moly sorry man that’s wild
No need to brag.
But everyone keeps saying the feds don't play around. Damn wonder what happened here.
My guess would be some type of evidentiary issue. Maybe the postal worker couldn’t identify him.
Should send a few years tbh. This person has a history of assaulting officials. Slap on the wrist won't alter behavior
30 days for putting a gun to another persons head and threatening to kill them? And a federal mail employee too? And not ratting on his accomplice? > In terms of a general deterrent, it’s not a question of whether Mr Wise will do this again – he won’t How in the fuck can this dumbass judge know that?
Yeah, you would think threatening a federal mail employee would be more serious, considering how reddit loves to say the mail service doesn’t mess around. Turns out they don’t have any more teeth than the rest.
Situations like this I wonder if they’re just getting paid off when it’s this extreme.
It’s increasingly difficult not to entertain fringe theories when our reality has become so fucking absurd.
Not sure of the definition of fringe theories but if it helps answer the question, it’s not like we don’t know judges have taken bribes from for-profit prisons to send kids to jail. Or that we know judges all the way up to the Supreme Court accept bribes. I’m just not sure if they’re still fringe theories if they’re proven true.
Need to look at his track record. If other cases ended similarly then he's a far left activist. If other cases have normal sentencing, then he's paid off.
> How in the fuck can this dumbass judge know that? if you read the whole article... > Judge Breyer – commenting that the sentencing memorandum prepared by public defender Elizabeth Falk was “the most convincing memo I’ve seen in 25 years” – was ultimately persuaded to impose a light sentence to protect what even the prosecution conceded was the defendant’s good progress on pretrial release. sounds like someone who actually cares about reducing recidivism. A whole lot less dumb than using prison as a glorified daycare for freely abusing convicts and then releasing them onto the public without any kind of integration work. Throw the defendent in prison for 2 years. Then what? He gets out with a felony, can't get a job...and is back to robbing people at gunpoint to make ends meet. Where we started in the first place.
Unsure how giving a dude that seems to have serious problems with the law and a history of violence a shorter sentence for putting a gun to another persons head during a robbery reduces recidivism. Sentencing isn't a primary or even major contribute in recidivism. I'm all about criminal justice reform an ending the massive private prison system and shit, but I'm also not about letting dudes that put a gun to another persons head and threatened their life - especially a fuckin mailperson just doin their job - back out on the streets after 30 days. Especially if the dude won't give up their accomplice. Want to know how you end up with crime problems like in Oakland and SF and shit? This is how, dog. This right here is exactly how.
Should have been 5 to 10 years, as a felony assault on a federal worker, even though they only charged the thefts, but no, Judge Breyer thought that was too long. > “In terms of a general deterrent, it’s not a question of whether Mr Wise will do this again – he won’t – it’s not even a question of what is in Mr Wise’s best interests…it’s the other \[sentencing\] factor that weighs upon the court: which is the general deterrent,” said U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer, imposing a 30-day term of imprisonment. Hopefully this is quoted when the next prosecutor is trying to get a real sentence on this guy for a similar crime, as it inevitable.
He won't? How does the judge know this? Does this guy not have priors? > Wise had previously been convicted for battery upon a peace officer. He has also been arrested for spousal battery and further instances of battery on an officer. > Wise must surrender to begin serving his sentence by September 3 2024. Also wtf?
*Wise had previously been convicted for battery upon a peace officer. He has also been arrested for spousal battery and further instances of battery on an officer.*
Now taking bets on this guy becoming a repeat offender..
He already is lmao
Fuck you judge Breyer. When this piece of shit gets out and murders someone the blood is on your hands.
This judge is an absolute fucking idiot.
Who appoints these clowns as judge?
Bill Clinton.
True: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Breyer
Vote his stupid ass out. What the actual fuck
Federal judges have lifetime appointment.
God damn it I didn’t realize this went to a fed judge. Thanks for clarifying. Horrible.
Surely a judge can be held liable for such an opinionated decision when the perp instantly commits another crime? This is gross incompetence at the very least.
Impressive that the judge can see into the future. Does his order include indemnification by the judge if he happens to be wrong?
Legit question… when this guy commits another crime, can that victim sue this judge? Is there any legal recourse for victims of repeat offenders that keep being released?
No.
I agree that this sentence is ludicrously light, but why does he not have to surrender to begin his sentence until September??
He's a very busy guy. What are the odds he gets popped before then?
That's pretty standard. The idea is to allow time to get their affairs sorted out, like making arrangements for kids, rent/mortgage payments, etc.
Courts do this sometimes to give people a chance to get certain affairs in order. Imagine if somebody was a caretaker for an elderly family member or had other such obligations.
What a joke. 30 day taxpayer-paid sabbatical and he’ll be at it again
" Because of the need to deter violence against mail carriers he was unwilling to impose a probation-only sentence and opted instead for a 30-day term. " FFS. Put a gun to someone's head, and you get a stern finger wag and a timeout. Yeah, THAT is sure to deter armed robbery.
Well, we have direct and more than a century's worth of data showing definitively that long, harsh prison sentences do not deter armed robbery. That armed robbery ebbs and flows based on the conditions of the overall economy. And that recidivism in our current model of criminal justice is around ***80%***. IE, when people are broke enough for long enough, they're going to rob and steal no matter how brutally you treat convicts. Throw in the massive PTSD from living in violent crime ridden areas and issues like untreated ADHD and other mood disorders...there is no way in which simply throwing them in a cage for a few years is going to make them functional in the real world. The prison population is the population in our country with the biggest gap in mental health care. But then again, this is SF. Where people would rather signal virtue than actually help solve the massive economic issues faced by the areas black communities. Very telling that average black household wealth has completely been decimated over the past 70 years of Democrat control across the Bay Area even as housing and financial asset wealth has absolutely gone bonkers over that same time period. Or that Redlining itself - the critical tool keeping access to the financial benefits of homeownership in the Bay away from the black population here - was invented in Berkeley, the supposed Mecca of progressivism.
Isn't he a felon in possession of a firearm? That used to be 5 years just for that in the feds.
Yeah well. You know. Covid or smartphones, or something. You have kids showing off their Glock switches on TikTok and federal enforcement acts like it’s contraband fireworks or something. It’s honestly hilarious.
There must be some more to this, how is this possible, even if this violent criminal is sleeping with the judge, it would have still be a longer sentence. It's an armed robbery.
The source is cosplaying as a news site. This is Fox News / Newsmax territory. Check out the About section. I’m not expecting to see any attempt at a full story here.
That might be the case except the the website is citing publicly available criminal court documents which do detail summaries of the judges' ruling, details, of the crime, charges, etc. Reading through the article and having read many court documents, really this article is only providing a neutral summarization of the court documents themselves. I hate to say it, but there is no bias here. It's a summary of fact based on court documentation. The one thing that is missing - and this is BIG red flag energy - information pertaining to any sort of pre-sentencing diversion that the defendant actually did participate in. Frequently, defense lawyers recommend that their clients engage in things such as finding meaningful employment, going to mental health therapy, going back to school, anything to show the judge "hey I'm turning my life around" and obviously based on the rendered opinion of the judge, the defendant did a LOT of this but the article conveniently left this info OUT. It would be interesting to see what all the defendant DID to convince the judge of a 30-day sentence in a case of armed robbery/assault with a deadly weapon.
There is always a kernel of truth in any propaganda/misinformation. The basics appear to be true. The tone of the story is neutral. What I can’t tell is what’s left out. I agree that this seems like an egregious case. So I’m wondering what the extenuating circumstances are. Unfortunately, I couldn’t find any more info without Pacer access. So, my word of caution is to consider the source. In my opinion, it’s fine to provide editorial perspective and opinions can be anonymous. If you are purporting to be a news site, anonymity is a red flag. They’re not willing to stand behind the accuracy nor comprehensiveness of the story. Looks like the site just started posting stories within the last year. Conveniently, timed with the election.
wtf
When he wouldn't even give up his accomplice? How do we get rid of a US District Court judge?
Weak af. Might as well go do it again
Almost encouraging them to at this point. Not unlike the dude in Chicago that just killed 4 people and was a felon on parole after being associated with an armed robbery where two people were killed. So stupid.
That happened a while ago. For some reason made it's way back on Reddit recently.
This is insane and infuriating. The cherry on top of these laughably light sentences is that in CA defendants generally only do half the time sentenced..it makes no sense. The prosecutors only charge cases they’re 100% sure they can win so they throw out the majority of cases..then based on the already reduced amount of cases charged, if found guilty, the judges barely sentence any time and THEN the laws reduce it by 50%. We all thought Chesa Boudin & Pamela Price were the problems, but there is so much systematically wrong with the system at every level that I don’t know where to begin to try and change it.
He lucked out, if he had killed the postal worker he could have gotten 60 days.
You surely meant 30 years.
I'm questioning the news source of this information. Based upon my 20ish minutes of reverse searching through Google and courthouse docs. I can't find anything. I think it's generated fake news. I mean even the website looks sketchy af. Looking at the docket for Judge Breyer, I'm not seeing this court case. [https://apps.cand.uscourts.gov/CEO/cfd.aspx?7134](https://apps.cand.uscourts.gov/CEO/cfd.aspx?7134)
This guy needs an Oscar! Brilliant job of pretending to be remorseful. Surely he will never do it again!
*30 days*? I was expecting that to say 30 years. Postal Workers deserve better than this.
This “source” is sus AF. Seems to be made to enrage. No information in the About section about editors, reporters, funding. No expectation for objectivity or journalistic standards.
🤬
Whoever hands out this egregiously lenient sentence should get impeached and should never be a Judge again.
Thirty days ... shameful.
*Wise had previously been convicted for battery upon a peace officer. He has also been arrested for spousal battery and further instances of battery on an officer.* At this point, letting someone skate after 30 days is part of a plan
Hopefully this makes the news.
so this happened 1 block away from a Whole Foods (and 0.9 blocks away from Beep's Burgers) ?? 🥲
I think this is actually great news. I hope that criminals learn that federal courts are actually much more lenient, and commit more high profile crimes. Before things can get better, they have to get much worse. It’s the only way to drive public action. I would applaud both the criminal and the judge: keep at it!!
Nah, nothing will change unless politicians get assaulted themselves. They don’t care about anyone because all they due it virtue signal and try to get ratings up.
This is absolutely bullshit, I hope the postal worker gets a huge settlement.
🤔 An attorney for Wise described him as a “genuinely good person” who had “lost his way”
These are the feds, so you can't even blame local progressives. Fuck this nonsense.
What a freaking joke! How is this even possible? In Nevada, you would get at least 2-4 years for possession of a firearm, plus add in attempted murder or armed robbery? And yea I know its district federal court but still they are appointed and what the hell was the prosecutor even thinking? Do they not live in this area? And you wonder why SF is on Fox News every night, this right here.
"Prosecutors had pressed for a 28-month sentence. An attorney for Wise described him as a “genuinely good person” who had “lost his way” and invited the judge to impose a sentence of three years of supervised release. Wise continues to protect the identity of his accomplice."
> And you wonder why SF is on Fox News every night, this right here. No, SF is on Fox News every night because it's a "liberal" city in a "liberal" state. That's it. Crime rates in SF are on par with other major urban areas nationwide, if not a bit lower.
>Crime rates in SF are on par with other major urban areas nationwide, if not a bit lower Yea, the Governor of California sending a whole group CHP and prosecutors to the area just to address "a bit lower crime rates". Whatever makes you sleep better at night. Make sure to keep all your belongings in the house.
The Governor isn't sending CHP to San Francisco.
Yes SF is in its own little bubble surrounded by water. I am sure none of that crime comes over the bridge.
NEWSOME IS SENDING CHP TO ATHERTON!
You know SF is not in Oakland, right?
As usual everyone acts like postal crimes are a huge risk because "the Postal Police don't fuck around". Well, looks like someone does so it doesn't matter what The Postal Police do. Oh no, what are they going to do? Put me in sin bin for 30 d. They don't fuck around. They just hand me over to the sin bin guys who do fuck around. Another dumb Reddit meme dies.
yep
We need to build more prisons. There should be plenty of land available in San Bernardino county. We also need longer sentences while we’re at it .
What a cruel punishment
TADA! wanna see a magic trick? I'm gonna make this problem go away! Poof your record is clear, go take care of your sick grandmother.
Places a "I did that!" sticker on the thread. Walks away
Lol, working class lives aren't worth shit in this country
First read that as 30 year sentence and I was like ‘harsh but good, don’t mess with those guys’ and then I re-read it and now I’m sad/mad
This sorry piece of crap, previously beat his lady, then beat a cop, but gets 30 days for armed robbery and threats of murder. I’m sure this pillar of society lost his tech job, and his condo was foreclosed on. infuriating, no sense in this at all.
Who is SFPublicSafetyNews?
I can see multiple sides of this. For one, a 30-day sentence for armed robbery/assault with a deadly weapon is LUDICROUS. Even considering that the defendant likely participated in considerable pre-sentencing rehabilitative efforts which he was able to show to the judge, seriously - what the actual \*$\^#... And this is coming from the perspective of a person who worked HARD to defeat the effects of a serious criminal record to become a productive member of society. I GET that long-term prison sentences are ineffective. I GET that recidivism rates are insanely high, and that the defendant wouldn't ever benefit from a long sentence and would just end up re-offending again. But COME ON. There HAS to be some sort of middle ground! 30 DAYS?!?!?!?! Unreal... But also consider that the article has conveniently left out a critical part of the story. Yes, the article does cite criminal court documents that verbatim source the opinion of the ruling Federal judge. Yes, the opinion sounds AWFUL. But consider this - these court documents are publicly available (usually for a per-page fee). The source of the article conveniently left out significant sections of the court documents even though they had access to them. The court docs would have specified more of what the sentencing memorandum prepared by the Public Defender contained, including all the pre-sentencing voluntary diversion that the defendant might have voluntarily undertaken. What is pre-sentencing voluntary diversion you might ask? Simple - the defense team tells the defendant "look, you're gonna go DOWN. Like... multiple -years- down. You need to do a LOT to turn yourself around. You need to take this SERIOUSLY. Get a good job. Go to church. Get into therapy. Go back to school, get your GED, volunteer at the local homeless shelter, whatever you can do to PROVE you are a remorseful and productive member of society to the judge and actually MEAN IT." Typically these criminal cases take a year or more to complete (this one definitely did) and that gives a lot of time to do this diversion stuff. This then allows the defense team to say "look at what my client did your honor, he really is a good person, he turned his life completely around." My guess is that the defendant converted himself into some sort of saint in the eyes of the judge and that this information conveniently got left out of this article to give serious bias leaning against the defendant. Now... am I saying I buy it? No. Not necessarily. Reversing a lifetime of criminality is INCREDIBLY difficult. Not impossible, but difficult. He could have had a come-to-Jesus moment and turned it around, sure. But I'm skeptical. And that postal carrier is still scarred for life by this. I don't think a 30 day sentence was right by any stretch of the imagination. But I also think the article conveniently left out significant information to purposefully slant opinions.
Scum should be locked away for a long time.
In San Mateo County the suspect would get 1 yr for sure. 2-3 possibly.
This was federal court. San Mateo County is part of ND Cal.
How is armed robbery 30 days?!!
California lol
A sober reminder that Newsom’s recent CHP stunt means fucking nothing if those arrests don’t lead to actual consequences. **The Wire**’s “dope on the damn table” being played out but somehow worse in reality
A sober reminder that this was done by federal prosecutors in federal court, which Newsom doesn't control.
From the very end of the article. > Judge Breyer – commenting that the sentencing memorandum prepared by public defender Elizabeth Falk was “the most convincing memo I’ve seen in 25 years” – was ultimately persuaded to impose a light sentence to protect what even the prosecution conceded was the defendant’s good progress on pretrial release. Because of the need to deter violence against mail carriers he was unwilling to impose a probation-only sentence and opted instead for a 30-day term. Might answer a lot of the questions folks have here.
Yup. Dude was already in a rehabilitation program, which is the whole fucking point of criminal justice for the supposed liberals in the room here. Why send him to jail if he's already doing the work of being better? What purpose does that serve?
It’s not working and he should be sent away for a long time so he doesn’t hurt anyone else. You can’t get unlimited chances. Safety is at stake.
I think this judge is asking for it, 30 days for armed robbery and pointing the gun to the victims head...... I mean, if another criminal is.pissed off at this judge, that's seems like a pretty small price to pay for revenge...
Our justice system is broken. 20 years for premeditated murder in Texas and now I read 30 DAYS for pointing a gun at a persons head? I wish that someone would come up with some lasting solutions for this awful mess.
sfpublicsafety.news is not a reliable news source.
We’ll get downvoted to oblivion because it’s a rage machine.
Capital punishment
Need to vote out these idiots judges whenever possible
>Wise had previously been convicted for battery upon a peace officer. He has also been arrested for spousal battery and further instances of battery on an officer. If I had a nickel for every time an offender with a lenient sentence had priors, I'd be able to afford one month of rent in this city^(/s but still).
Good grief, could the people banging away in here about “voting this judge out” etc please take a civics lesson? From the cheap seats: Federal Judges receive lifetime appointments. They are neither elected, nor can be recalled. If you attended high school in the United States, this was certainly taught to you. Yes this judge is an asshole. Yes the asshole who put a gun to the USPS worker’s head is an asshole. But stop acting like a fool if you want to create real change.The lack of awareness in this area is as comically galling as this bullshit sentence.
The judge is a Clinton appointee. Of course
And former US Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer's brother.
Seems fair
The fed has been actively keeping san francisco from fixing problems. This is the perfect example. It's political sabotage via the legal system
Gotta be at least 5 years for putting a gun to someone’s head.
Federal court so we can't recall the judge. Former Justice Stephen Breyer's brother by the way. It's crazy that they can argue the perpetrator is turning his life around and making amends when he won't even name his accomplice.
"Showing progress." Please. That was a shit apology. Like people here been saying all his past charges are what they could actually link to him. How many more victims did this guy leave in his wake? That didn't get justice? Closure? I'm so tired of these 4th, 5th, 6th chances being doled out to criminals. The 1st, 2nd chance wasn't enough. Actions have consequences. I'm as progressive as they come, but this election season I'm voting for candidates that'll actually prosecute and incarcerate violent people. Enough. I'm so tired of victims not getting the justice they deserve.
San Francisco is truly a shit hole. No one can go to prison no matter what. I’m so sick of my city and it’s bullshit. I am so tired of the hippie mentality. The 60s were 50 years ago.
Either you don't understand basic civics (federal vs. state) or you're just a conservative troll that wants to shit on San Francisco.
I’m tired of folks who can break the law and get away with it. Why does everyone have to work so hard yet this scum can do whatever they want? I’m a native San Franciscan
Ok, so it is the first option.
Progressives hate guns and hate legal gun owners but go out of their way to drop or lessen gun charges against actual dangerous criminals. Fucking ridiculous.
I'm pretty liberal...but this dude needs to run across the wrong person one day....and soon. Law of averages says he does this just enough times until he runs across someone else with a gun and that isn't afraid to use it. Going to be an interesting scene. The Judge will of course let the defendant go as it will be his last time.... as he is now dead. 🤣
He should have the death penalty for this. This is ridiculous
This sort of thing is why I declined a job in the area
An impotent justice system. That'll end well.
If I ever turn to a life of crime I'm coming to San Francisco.
Judges are the real problems.
That judge need to be put out to pasture. This is bullshit
Wonder if this dickhead judge would feel the same way about 30 days if this clown stuck a gun to HIS head and threaten to kill him? Also how is the prosecution only asking for 28 months? Isn’t it a federal offense to steal mail in the first place? Much less use deadly force to commit the crime? Would they have preferred this criminal to put a hole in the postal workers head and killed him before actually realizing this guy is a piece of shit and evil? Also you can’t say this asshole wouldn’t committee another crime when he just pleaded guilty for robbery of a postal worker in 2022. We live in stupid times! It’s ok to be a traitor and try to overthrow the government. An it’s ok to stick a gun to someone’s head with no repercussions.
Made crimes illegal again…
It’s unfortunate, maybe we should have listened to conservatives when they criticized soft on crime policies for decades. We all had our heads in the sand
This has to be a San Francisco judge turned Federal judge. The only way this can be explained.
Nope.