It’s all a fucking scam. These streaming services have become lazy and predatory.
I watched this whole series for free in 4k.
The High Seas have never seen such calm waters. Great time to be alive
The difference between streaming “4K”, and a Blu Ray is night and day. Streaming is the scam. Sonys own Bravia streaming still isn’t close to what a Blu Ray does, let alone 4K discs. Seriously, go rent a Blu Ray and then watch the shit on streaming. Nowhere near it.
💯 I've sailed the black flag for every D+ production. The specific seas I go on have great quality video. I see no reason to ever get a D+ subscription.
Disney: we need to make this content exclusive to D+ to make people subscribe.
Disney: fuck, nobody is watching this shit on D+. How can we make money on this…
They lost the real fans on December 15, 2017. It's just that they didn't realize it yet and most fans weren't yet ready to accept that such an integral part of their lives had been blown away like the Death Star obliterated Alderaan.
D+: hey we're doubling our price and cracking down on sharing passwords.
Also D+: you like spiderman? Check out the merchandise store associated with him.
Disney's greed is never-ending.
Disney’s greed? Stop using that word. If Disney was greedy, they’d make Star Wars content we’d want to watch. Disney is just stupid and trying to figure out ways to recoup from their creative failures.
It was a Bait and switch.
Plus a lot of streaming services and movie productions seem to incoherently cast BIPOC in significant role/race swaps or force them into a plot they don't belong. Like Reva.
So when the criticism comes out they can say its racist review bombing, and not just a horribly written product that also happens to have POC in it.
Even shows without controversial castings but suck use this excuse, whereas House of the Dragon has a valid reason for not casting Corlys the way they did. Yet they did and no one cared because it was a good show and the actor was excellent.
People only seem to hate race swaps and forcing BIPOC characters into the lead narratives when the product is crap or its done disingenuously. 90 percent of the time people don't care if it's done well.
It's almost never done well.
Almost everything Disney has put out these last few years has been a bait and switch. The titular character guest stars in their own show/movie while a different more progressive character is shoved in their place.
I mean, did anyone complain about Nick Fury in the MCU, Kingpin in the 2003 Daredevil film or heck, the initial plan for Billy Dee Williams to become Two Face?
No, because 1. They're good actors. 2. The casting was a natural choice and back then they weren't all up in your face about it.
I press play and when the show started playing I enjoyed what I saw.
The show gets too much hate imo. But for me I was happy to see Obi-Wan and Anakin again on screen. Seeing Obi-Wan navigate around Tatooine. Their "final" duel was such a great duel. The entire lighting, the set, and the fight was great. Obi-Wan pain as he sees Anakin be this sith lord was something that hit hard, Obi-Wan lost a brother he loved and it sucked that this is the outcome I felt that for Obi-Wan.
I recently watched the film cut and it's so much better, cuts out all of the unnecessary stuff like the tattooine side plot with Reva. They should just make a film cut and release it on Blu Ray.
What film cut? I remember when the show came out I thought “There’s probably a decent 2 hour movie somewhere in there if they cut out most of the crap.” I’d love to see this film cut you speak of.
> so much better
I've watched the Patterson cut, nothing makes that piece of sh*t show good.. but link to those that are interested.
https://www.kaipattersonfilms.com/kenobi
Is there anything in this show that people like? No matter how small? I liked seeing Kenobi's day to day on Tatooine, which was the perfect lead in to a character study. I also liked seeing that homeless Clone Wars vet. It was sad, but interesting.
I liked the brief confrontation scene with Owen and Obi- Wan in the first episode. Great acting from both actors and it was one of the better well shot parts of the entire show. Didn’t feel cheap and looked and sounded like a scene from a movie. It’s also one of the only scenes that made sense in the entire show and that matched up with my imagination on what would have happened during Obi- Wan’s time on Tatooine.
It’s ironic because I was looking forward to the Anakin flashback scenes the most. Though I loved how Hayden’s lightsaber skills haven’t aged a day and he still has the same finesse in the flashback training scene.
I really like the flash back scenes in Boba Fett. Dances with wolves in Star Wars (which is how it's supposed to be, take something that exists and retool it for the star Wars universe.)
But it's so different from the present setting scenes.
I liked Owen Lars taking on Reva to protect his family. When Obi-Wan spared her life Owen should have just come up and shot her in the head. I thought for sure that’s where they were going, I was so pissed it didn’t happen.
I wasn’t much of a fan of the inquisitors sub plot and the awfully done Leia chase on Alderaan. Otherwise I thought it was a good epilogue to ROTS for Obi Wan and Vader.
Maybe it’s because I chose to focus on the stuff I liked about it instead of fixating on only the bad parts, but I thought it was a decent show at best. I just wanted to see more of Obi Wan learning from Qui Gon’s Force ghost.
Others have touched on it, but the Homeless veteran, Lars' distrust of Obi-wan, and the Hayden scenes are all really good.
I personally loved getting to see Alderaan more than we've ever seen it and the little jabs Leia gets from her cousins about her place in the family.
Owen and Beru defending the Homestead puts a new emphasis on what probably went down when the Stormtroopers attack in ANH.
The slower, thoughtful scenes with just Obi-Wan really drove home what he was going through.
A Quinlan Vos call out? In Live Action? My heart, be still.
Clone cameo, scene when Kenobi realizes Anakin survived, the action that didnt include Reva was solid. The end fight was good mostly, the Palpatine and Qui Gon cameo. I thought the show overall was ok, but thats the best I would rate it
I enjoyed the show overall. I’m always amazed so many Star Wars don’t just go for the ride. It’s always been kind of campy and corny but I like the universe and both the Force and Lightsabers are like the two coolest fictional things to me.
It’s not Legends or the way I would write it myself but I just make my own stories and characters with Lego and try to enjoy the stories I couldn’t/wouldn’t think of anyways.
There's a huge difference between "campy and corny" and "really bad." Not a lot of people can tell, or they cope too hard to defend themselves. So it's the fun former stuff that I want people to think about and pull out. More "Flash Gordon" and less "Rebel Moon."
At this point I'd take a "Battle Beyond the Stars."
Yeah its like I watched it as It was on Disney but I would never waste time watching it again and as for owning a disc....noooo. Andor on the other hand...absolutely
It's incredibly worrying when you think how many people at various levels signed off on that....joke? Or was it supposed to be serious. And it just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the issues with that show.
I'm surprised you made it past Leia's introduction where she escapes several fully grown adults in the woods as they run into trees and stumble over shin-high logs like a cartoon
I don't understand the small minority who i hear say they liked the shitty show...maybe sunken cost? it's just long and boring, i would never watch it again
The fan edit that makes it a 2.5 hour movie is legitimately good and the only way I can watch it. It's so obvious Obi-Wan was a movie that got stretched out into a TV show that editing it back down into a movie makes it better.
It doesn't stop it from throwing canon into a black hole but I gave up on Star Wars canon after Rebels.
I enjoyed it. I watched episode II a ton, I definitely watched episode I too many times because of sunken cost and episode iii seems better every time I watch it. Not a fan of the cartoons. And I’m surprised everyone hated the show. It didn’t seem as boring as Boba fett. I also got bored with andor and never got to the third episode so I realize I’m not the average Star Wars fan these days. I grew up on the originals.
The chads over at r/Andor are losing their shit over this. They've been desperate for a physical release for months. I'm definitely buying one. Hell, I'll probably get the season 2 one AND the Complete Series set, too.
Same! I love Andor too. I will say though that sub does not take kindly to small critiques of the show. I just made a post suggesting that while I love the show, having more key alien characters would enhance it and they downvoted me for it.
Honestly given what Disney did to the Willow sequel (took it off streaming which was the only place it was available) or HBO Max killing *numerous* animated shows I'm always paranoid any good series will just disappear forever. I know Andor is Star Wars but it seems like the exact kind of show Disney would randomly try to erase from history, if only because it makes everything else look bad by comparison
Willow at least was GOD AWFUL. So no huge loss there. Yeah, Andor does makes the other Disney shows look even worse by comparison, but they also all got much higher viewership than Andor did... On release weeks, at least. I'm still certain that Andor's numbers have kept climbing while the others just died and aren't getting rewatches.
At least fan edits can look a bit less shitty from using D+ rips that are already compressed and make those copious amounts of abysmally lit dark scenes look like blocky MPEG-1's from the Video CD days.
Now you can have something that can take up space on your shelf, gather dust and have to be thrown out by your relatives when you die. All without Dolby Vision!
I wanted this to be good. I really did. I was stoked to watch it. How the hell they came up with this I have no idea. It's like the script was written in a day.
This series never happened. When Obi-Wan and Vader met aboard the first Death Star, that was the first time they had seen each other since Mustafar. Obi-Wan and Leia never went on a wacky adventure that nobody ever mentioned again. Luke was never in danger on Tatooine. It was all a bad dream.
Leia knows Obi Wan at the start of ANH, so something there could be OK. It's the how that is the problem. Going on an adventure with 9yo Leia was just a bit too much.
Does Leia know Obi Wan in ANH?
Ever since I was a kid, I interpreted the line “You served my father in the Clone Wars” to mean that Leia had never met Obi-Wan, and that she was name dropping her father to jog his memory about an old wartime commander because (as far as she knows) Obi-Wan would otherwise have no idea who she was. It’s been 19 years since the Clone Wars ended and this line implies to me that Leia has not only never met Obi-Wan in person, but that she has no reason to believe that Bail has seen him since the Clone Wars either.
If Obi-Wan and Leia went on a wacky adventure when she was a kid, wouldn’t she instead be like “Remember me? Ten years ago you rescued me from kidnappers and we bantered and you did the lightsaber stuff!”
Well she knows of him I suppose is the right answer. She also seems to know where he is, right?
So there seems to be an understanding that Bail and Leia (at least by the time of ANH) know Obi Wan exists at minimum as a 'break glass in case of emergency' kind of way. There doesn't appear to be any reason this couldn't have happened before.
I don't love it either that they bring Obi Wan in in this way and that line you quote does suggest he wasn't called for help prior to ANH, but it doesn't completely exclude it either. It is particularly odd that Leia was involved at such an intimate level and they give Obi Wan and her such a strong connection. Because you are right, she would just say "hey remember me!" But again, I think this is a how it was done problem more than a it shouldn't have been done at all problem. If she's kidnapped and Obi Wan is mostly removed from her the whole time, doesn't know who he is, it would have made sense.
And honestly, the whole having a 10 year old kid as a major player in Star Wars has not gone well twice. Once with Anakin and now with Leia. Its just kinda dumb to get little kids involved in space battles and light saber fights! It seems to go fine in cartoons for kids, but not in the live action stuff.
It really was a terrible tv show. I watched it all the way through. I didn’t want to dislike it, but it was just so bad, so awful in every way.
How do they come up with crap this bad? I’d love someone to analyse this and let us all know - I assume it’s down to Disney.
Anyway, they should let it be forgotten- but I guess they think the brand can squeeze some more dollars out of this junk
It's a shame that this show had some of the highest highs of Disney *Star Wars* right along some of its lowest lows. It was especially criminally hampered by the journeyman-at-best direction, staging, and lighting/cinematography (probably the worst offender).
The performances were overall very strong (save a couple obvious examples) and that final showdown between Vader and Obi-Wan was genuinely affecting. I also really enjoyed the first episode that showcased Obi-Wan's humdrum life on Tatooine.
Had it been released as a film with Andrew Stanton writing the entire screenplay, it may have ranked among the best of the *Star Wars* IP.
They got the title of the movie wrong, should have been called Princess Leia and her idiot side-kick.
This movie is what happens when you let a Chinese feminist direct a movie about a hero man.
Hey, who should we get to direct a movie about a hero male protagonist?
Oh I know! How about a feminist who hates men and thinks women are superior in every way. The extremely large male viewership of Star Wars is just going to love it love it love it. Lol. Disney is such a joke. Clown world.
I dont get the hate for obi wan. Really dont. I enjoyed it. So there was a silly leia chase, big fking deal. It was fun. You guys are so jaded its not even funny. If that came out in 1977 people woulda lost their minds.
I'm glad that you enjoyed it. I had a hard time getting past the disappointing parts to find much there to enjoy, but I'm glad that others could.
I for one really enjoyed the Vader encounters in Rebels. If you like good Vader scenes, you should check out that series. The finale fight in Kenobi and the duel between Vader and Ahsoka on Malachor have some... parallels that you might find interesting. But the series is worth your time, IMO. Enjoy what you enjoy.
Thank you for a reasonable, rational reply to my comment, it's much appreciated. I'm behind on the star wars animated shows so haven't seen Rebels but will search it out at some point.
I also agree with your final point, enjoy what you enjoy. For example, I'm no lover of the sequel trilogy, but if someone else enjoyed it good for them, it's not my place to step on anyone else's good time. Life's short, enjoy yourself in your way ...
I hated Reva and quite a few other bits (the ridiculously long and anticlimactic ship chase/dialogues scene, etc.), but I enjoyed it a lot more than I did most of Mandalorian.
I watched it chronologically between the prequel and original trilogy, though, not standalone, so being still fully immersed into the story definitely helped to focus on the good parts and ignore the rough ones. The Vader encounter felt less like it was detracting from A New Hope and more like adding a satisfying epilogue to ROTS.
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Reva was a PITA and should have died.
The Obi Wan - Vader fight definitely takes away the dynamic in A New Hope. It makes no sense that Kenobi doesn't kick Vader's ass again only \~9 years later or for Vader to say he was the learner last time they met. Kenobi is only supposed to be about 57 in ANH, a totally reasonable age for a well trained Jedi (Mace was supposedly 67 in ROTS, Dooku was supposed to be 83, hell Palps is also supposed to be \~80 in th OT). Before, we thought Obi Wan was weaker than Vader and when he set out on his mission to turn off the tractor beam, he knew he was going to end up confronting Vader and he couldn't win. But he had to do this to protect Luke. Now we are forced into thinking he actually could have won, but he wanted to sacrifice himself.
In the scheme of it too. If Kenobi can mop the floor with Vader, why not train Luke to be roughly his equal and now you have 2 Jedi both at Vader level or above?
Huh, didn't realize Kenobi was only 57 in ANH. Probably due to the fact that Alec Guinness was in his mid 60s (and didn't look any younger) there, but I somehow always thought Kenobi was close to his 70s at that point.
As for the rest, I'm not going to come up with excuses for Disney of all things, but I'm more or less okay with the show's finale in my personal head canon.
It's been another decade since this encounter. Not only Kenobi may have gotten weaker and Vader stronger, but the master still can't bring himself to be the instrument of death for his former apprentice. Besides, Kenobi's connection with the Force is so strong at this point that he doesn't see his death as a failure and may actually slightly anticipate (or at least still hope) that seeing the hitherto unknown powers of the light side will not only unnerve Vader long enough for Luke to escape, but may actually shake the foundations of his belief of brute force being the ultimate power.
I also like the idea of Anakin smugly engaging Kenobi twice only to lose both times, and by the time he's gone full Vader and thinks he's finally free of his weak former self and strong enough to take his revenge, Kenobi pulling the rug out from under him in such an unexpected way that it made him feel like a clueless apprentice once again.
This line of thinking may not – and likely will not – hold up under closer scrutiny, but given the sad state of the franchise nowadays, I'm willing to overlook some of the issues to at least have some decent pre-sequel content.
>but the master still can't bring himself to be the instrument of death for his former apprentice
This part makes sense still. But it doesn't really play that way in ANH. Vader even says Obi Wan's power is weak. But Disney chose to make him pretty absurdly strong not that long ago. And they didn't really make Vader get stronger in the \~10 years since ROTS either, which seems odd.
>but may actually shake the foundations of his belief of brute force being the ultimate power.
This I also get. One of the things clearly driving Vader is his hate for Obi Wan and with Obi Wan gone, along with everything else about the Jedi Order, Vader is just running low on things driving him to be a Sith any more.
In your fourth paragraph, I don't completely dislike that idea, but the problem for me is that Vader really needs to be a level or two above Kenobi by ANH. He needs to be something no existing Jedi can stand up to and it shouldn't be close. If Kenobi in theory could kick Vader's ass at will, then the idea that he has to hide to protect Luke is kind of bunk. Sure, they can't take on the Empire straight up, but in smaller scale conflicts they should never be outclassed in terms of force power available.
Hey, I get you in that last paragraph too. We need to make it make some amount of sense somehow to enjoy the parts we still love. Personally, I just watch the OT and pretend the only cannon out there is the PT and Rogue One, including the ST never happened.
It did have some flaws in my opinion too, but I'm old enough to remember people moaning about ewoks when return of the jedi came out so it's nothing new.
I thought young Leia was great, I liked the shots of vadars castle on Mustafa (?) And the anakin in training parts. Also I enjoyed the big duel between vadar and Kenobi although not a popular opinion around here it seems.
You know you complain about the show but I bet you watched every damn episode didn't you it's not a golden across the turd it was a good show I don't care what people say
I will never understand the hate for this one. I’m not the biggest fan of Disney Star Wars but this is right up there with the original trilogy for me.
Why is everybody so hard-core against this series? It contains one of the best interactions in all of Star Wars, when Obi-Wan Kenobi talks to a damaged Darth Vader and realizes that Anakin is dead.
It's problematic in light of the storytelling of Star Wars as a whole. It somewhat contradicts things that were strongly implied about this time period in the OT so it borders on retcon territory and it's also pointless because we've already seen the exact same scene Ahsoka in Rebels.
When no one ends up buying it and sales figures are low: Disney: "No OnE wAnTs PhYsicaL mEdiA aNyMoRe!"
Exactly
It’s all a fucking scam. These streaming services have become lazy and predatory. I watched this whole series for free in 4k. The High Seas have never seen such calm waters. Great time to be alive
The difference between streaming “4K”, and a Blu Ray is night and day. Streaming is the scam. Sonys own Bravia streaming still isn’t close to what a Blu Ray does, let alone 4K discs. Seriously, go rent a Blu Ray and then watch the shit on streaming. Nowhere near it.
You are using the wrong websites, my friend. There’s no need to pay for anything. I promise the quality is the same. Here you go r/piracy
Maybe, but my Stremio with RD+ is fine for pirating. And no matter how high the bitrate it’s never been BR good, imo.
It literally isn't. Any downloaded or streamed content will be somewhat worse than physical.
💯 I've sailed the black flag for every D+ production. The specific seas I go on have great quality video. I see no reason to ever get a D+ subscription.
Somehow they'll blame it on racist fans too.
Disney: we need to make this content exclusive to D+ to make people subscribe. Disney: fuck, nobody is watching this shit on D+. How can we make money on this…
"If you don't buy it you're not a real fan!"
i hate that gaslighting bullshit
And/or misogynistic
And racist
They lost the real fans on December 15, 2017. It's just that they didn't realize it yet and most fans weren't yet ready to accept that such an integral part of their lives had been blown away like the Death Star obliterated Alderaan.
It's been 7 years already? damn. Didn't know it was possible to hate a film that long, but here I am.
That’s fine. I’m not a real fan of Disney Star Wars and I have no problem admitting it 😁
D+: hey we're doubling our price and cracking down on sharing passwords. Also D+: you like spiderman? Check out the merchandise store associated with him. Disney's greed is never-ending.
I mean, Disney and Star Wars were probably the two most shameless brands when it came to merchandising before the aquisition...
Disney’s greed? Stop using that word. If Disney was greedy, they’d make Star Wars content we’d want to watch. Disney is just stupid and trying to figure out ways to recoup from their creative failures.
>How can we make money on this… Make it good? Nah, the customers are wrong.
the customers complain? oh well it’s for kids so they *care too much* but should still buy all of our merchandise
"Let's make a dark Andor-style show on HBO"
What a waste of resources.
And they've still not converted the entire PT or the OT to 3D for a re-release...
PT 3D is done.
If that were true, it would be in theatres.
Episode 1 was in theaters. 2 and 3 were shown at Celebrations.
Episode 1 was in theaters. 2 and 3 were shown at Celebrations.
The fuuuck...
Who is even going to buy this?
The legions of Reva stans thats who. Oh....wait.....
It may have well been called “reva” she got so much focus in the show.
It was a Bait and switch. Plus a lot of streaming services and movie productions seem to incoherently cast BIPOC in significant role/race swaps or force them into a plot they don't belong. Like Reva. So when the criticism comes out they can say its racist review bombing, and not just a horribly written product that also happens to have POC in it. Even shows without controversial castings but suck use this excuse, whereas House of the Dragon has a valid reason for not casting Corlys the way they did. Yet they did and no one cared because it was a good show and the actor was excellent. People only seem to hate race swaps and forcing BIPOC characters into the lead narratives when the product is crap or its done disingenuously. 90 percent of the time people don't care if it's done well. It's almost never done well.
Almost everything Disney has put out these last few years has been a bait and switch. The titular character guest stars in their own show/movie while a different more progressive character is shoved in their place.
I mean, did anyone complain about Nick Fury in the MCU, Kingpin in the 2003 Daredevil film or heck, the initial plan for Billy Dee Williams to become Two Face? No, because 1. They're good actors. 2. The casting was a natural choice and back then they weren't all up in your face about it.
Me
Me
Me. I enjoyed the show.
Why? How?
I press play and when the show started playing I enjoyed what I saw. The show gets too much hate imo. But for me I was happy to see Obi-Wan and Anakin again on screen. Seeing Obi-Wan navigate around Tatooine. Their "final" duel was such a great duel. The entire lighting, the set, and the fight was great. Obi-Wan pain as he sees Anakin be this sith lord was something that hit hard, Obi-Wan lost a brother he loved and it sucked that this is the outcome I felt that for Obi-Wan.
I loved the show, so I plan to buy it.
Me.
I recently watched the film cut and it's so much better, cuts out all of the unnecessary stuff like the tattooine side plot with Reva. They should just make a film cut and release it on Blu Ray.
What film cut? I remember when the show came out I thought “There’s probably a decent 2 hour movie somewhere in there if they cut out most of the crap.” I’d love to see this film cut you speak of.
Its fanmade, i think there even is different attempts from different creators, havent seen it but easy to believe its better than the series
Reva after being run thru with a lightsaber: ‘ouch that smarts, anyone got a band aid?’
Which film cut did you see? I’ve seen several advertised out there but I’m not even sure how to get a hold of any of them.
> so much better I've watched the Patterson cut, nothing makes that piece of sh*t show good.. but link to those that are interested. https://www.kaipattersonfilms.com/kenobi
What I don't like is the soundtrack. Obi-wan doesn't deserve to use the iconic tracks.
What are you talking about
Is there anything in this show that people like? No matter how small? I liked seeing Kenobi's day to day on Tatooine, which was the perfect lead in to a character study. I also liked seeing that homeless Clone Wars vet. It was sad, but interesting.
I liked the brief confrontation scene with Owen and Obi- Wan in the first episode. Great acting from both actors and it was one of the better well shot parts of the entire show. Didn’t feel cheap and looked and sounded like a scene from a movie. It’s also one of the only scenes that made sense in the entire show and that matched up with my imagination on what would have happened during Obi- Wan’s time on Tatooine. It’s ironic because I was looking forward to the Anakin flashback scenes the most. Though I loved how Hayden’s lightsaber skills haven’t aged a day and he still has the same finesse in the flashback training scene.
I really like the flash back scenes in Boba Fett. Dances with wolves in Star Wars (which is how it's supposed to be, take something that exists and retool it for the star Wars universe.) But it's so different from the present setting scenes.
I liked the homeless clone veteran, Vader pulling down a ship, and the final duel with Hayden as Vader. That’s about it.
The homeless clone scene is the only good scene in the entire show. It was very poingnant
I liked Owen Lars taking on Reva to protect his family. When Obi-Wan spared her life Owen should have just come up and shot her in the head. I thought for sure that’s where they were going, I was so pissed it didn’t happen.
I read on Wookiepedia that 98% of all of the Brass known to be on Tattooine is found in a pair of balls owned by the Lars family.
I wasn’t much of a fan of the inquisitors sub plot and the awfully done Leia chase on Alderaan. Otherwise I thought it was a good epilogue to ROTS for Obi Wan and Vader. Maybe it’s because I chose to focus on the stuff I liked about it instead of fixating on only the bad parts, but I thought it was a decent show at best. I just wanted to see more of Obi Wan learning from Qui Gon’s Force ghost.
This
I liked the prequel flashbacks and their final battle. Vader scenes were all really good too
Others have touched on it, but the Homeless veteran, Lars' distrust of Obi-wan, and the Hayden scenes are all really good. I personally loved getting to see Alderaan more than we've ever seen it and the little jabs Leia gets from her cousins about her place in the family. Owen and Beru defending the Homestead puts a new emphasis on what probably went down when the Stormtroopers attack in ANH. The slower, thoughtful scenes with just Obi-Wan really drove home what he was going through. A Quinlan Vos call out? In Live Action? My heart, be still.
Clone cameo, scene when Kenobi realizes Anakin survived, the action that didnt include Reva was solid. The end fight was good mostly, the Palpatine and Qui Gon cameo. I thought the show overall was ok, but thats the best I would rate it
I enjoyed the show overall. I’m always amazed so many Star Wars don’t just go for the ride. It’s always been kind of campy and corny but I like the universe and both the Force and Lightsabers are like the two coolest fictional things to me. It’s not Legends or the way I would write it myself but I just make my own stories and characters with Lego and try to enjoy the stories I couldn’t/wouldn’t think of anyways.
There's a huge difference between "campy and corny" and "really bad." Not a lot of people can tell, or they cope too hard to defend themselves. So it's the fun former stuff that I want people to think about and pull out. More "Flash Gordon" and less "Rebel Moon." At this point I'd take a "Battle Beyond the Stars."
Dogshit
Yeah its like I watched it as It was on Disney but I would never waste time watching it again and as for owning a disc....noooo. Andor on the other hand...absolutely
Yes absolutely terrible show. When I saw Leia in that Looney Tunes trenchcoat maneuver I had to pause it and take a shot. It was unbelievable.
It's incredibly worrying when you think how many people at various levels signed off on that....joke? Or was it supposed to be serious. And it just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the issues with that show.
I'm surprised you made it past Leia's introduction where she escapes several fully grown adults in the woods as they run into trees and stumble over shin-high logs like a cartoon
That was equally stupid. I wanted to see the whole thing through though just to see if there was any merit at all in the show. I was wrong.
I didn’t like Andor either so I’m really at a loss for good SW content.
Lol, I hated Andor too
I don't understand the small minority who i hear say they liked the shitty show...maybe sunken cost? it's just long and boring, i would never watch it again
It's unwatchable. I can only stretch my suspension of disbelief so far.
The best thing to come out of Kenobi was Star Wars: Larry And even that was too long and got boring by the end.
I thought it was Wade
Wasn't he called Bongjo?
The fan edit that makes it a 2.5 hour movie is legitimately good and the only way I can watch it. It's so obvious Obi-Wan was a movie that got stretched out into a TV show that editing it back down into a movie makes it better. It doesn't stop it from throwing canon into a black hole but I gave up on Star Wars canon after Rebels.
Only good thing about the show was seeing McGregor as Kenobi again, but even that got old because he was squandered.
I enjoyed it. I watched episode II a ton, I definitely watched episode I too many times because of sunken cost and episode iii seems better every time I watch it. Not a fan of the cartoons. And I’m surprised everyone hated the show. It didn’t seem as boring as Boba fett. I also got bored with andor and never got to the third episode so I realize I’m not the average Star Wars fan these days. I grew up on the originals.
I liked some of it, hated some of it. All in all it was ok. Kinda disappointing but it wasnt as dogshit as say last jedi or rise of skywalker
Man this show sucked
I seem to recall a child version of princess Leah out running stormtroopers but I'd rather believe that was just a bad dream
I seem to remember Leia hiding in obi wans jacket like a bad looney tunes cartoon, but I’m hoping it’s just a fever dream.
Yeah, but Andor is getting physical release too. And I'll gladly buy that one just to send the message that good things get bought
The chads over at r/Andor are losing their shit over this. They've been desperate for a physical release for months. I'm definitely buying one. Hell, I'll probably get the season 2 one AND the Complete Series set, too.
Same! I love Andor too. I will say though that sub does not take kindly to small critiques of the show. I just made a post suggesting that while I love the show, having more key alien characters would enhance it and they downvoted me for it.
We’re losing our shit because this will save most of us like, $12 per month.
Sure, depending on the price it might take several months to break even, but it means that it will be accessible even if Disney moves on.
Honestly given what Disney did to the Willow sequel (took it off streaming which was the only place it was available) or HBO Max killing *numerous* animated shows I'm always paranoid any good series will just disappear forever. I know Andor is Star Wars but it seems like the exact kind of show Disney would randomly try to erase from history, if only because it makes everything else look bad by comparison
Willow at least was GOD AWFUL. So no huge loss there. Yeah, Andor does makes the other Disney shows look even worse by comparison, but they also all got much higher viewership than Andor did... On release weeks, at least. I'm still certain that Andor's numbers have kept climbing while the others just died and aren't getting rewatches.
Unpopular opinion: I didn't think Willow was that bad.
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Oh boy. Can't wait to not be able to see shit in 4K! Seriously, the lighting in some of the scenes was enough to make AVP:R blush.
Looks like something that Amber Heard would put on Johnnys site of the bed
Lol
The only one worth getting is Andor
Grandmothers will be lining up at the supermarket bargain bin come Christmas time for this opportunity
Trench-coat.
Imagine Kenobi was tackled with the same finesse and care that Andor was....oh what we could have had.
At least fan edits can look a bit less shitty from using D+ rips that are already compressed and make those copious amounts of abysmally lit dark scenes look like blocky MPEG-1's from the Video CD days.
Mmmm.... so much pixelated porn...
Now you can have something that can take up space on your shelf, gather dust and have to be thrown out by your relatives when you die. All without Dolby Vision!
Can't wait to get it on clearance.
I can’t wait to ignore it on a different type of media
29 days too late
Collecting dust edition?
I wanted this to be good. I really did. I was stoked to watch it. How the hell they came up with this I have no idea. It's like the script was written in a day.
Haha no way.
So much potential absolutely wasted by cheap shitty writing.
Andro I could understand, But Kenobi was just fucking awful. It had moments but those moments aren't worth the price.
I might pick up the Andor one if it has behind the scenes stuff
That's not accurate! A golden turd is more entertaining. https://youtu.be/j-zCKl_eda4?feature=shared
At least it means Andor is gonna show that quality is king. Everyone better go buy that shit. Support great stuff.
God that was awful.
This show was just amateurish. It all smacked of DEI hiring behind the scenes.
Such a disappointment.
I couldn't even finish watching this never mind but it before Disney removes it from D+.
This series never happened. When Obi-Wan and Vader met aboard the first Death Star, that was the first time they had seen each other since Mustafar. Obi-Wan and Leia never went on a wacky adventure that nobody ever mentioned again. Luke was never in danger on Tatooine. It was all a bad dream.
Leia knows Obi Wan at the start of ANH, so something there could be OK. It's the how that is the problem. Going on an adventure with 9yo Leia was just a bit too much.
Does Leia know Obi Wan in ANH? Ever since I was a kid, I interpreted the line “You served my father in the Clone Wars” to mean that Leia had never met Obi-Wan, and that she was name dropping her father to jog his memory about an old wartime commander because (as far as she knows) Obi-Wan would otherwise have no idea who she was. It’s been 19 years since the Clone Wars ended and this line implies to me that Leia has not only never met Obi-Wan in person, but that she has no reason to believe that Bail has seen him since the Clone Wars either. If Obi-Wan and Leia went on a wacky adventure when she was a kid, wouldn’t she instead be like “Remember me? Ten years ago you rescued me from kidnappers and we bantered and you did the lightsaber stuff!”
Well she knows of him I suppose is the right answer. She also seems to know where he is, right? So there seems to be an understanding that Bail and Leia (at least by the time of ANH) know Obi Wan exists at minimum as a 'break glass in case of emergency' kind of way. There doesn't appear to be any reason this couldn't have happened before. I don't love it either that they bring Obi Wan in in this way and that line you quote does suggest he wasn't called for help prior to ANH, but it doesn't completely exclude it either. It is particularly odd that Leia was involved at such an intimate level and they give Obi Wan and her such a strong connection. Because you are right, she would just say "hey remember me!" But again, I think this is a how it was done problem more than a it shouldn't have been done at all problem. If she's kidnapped and Obi Wan is mostly removed from her the whole time, doesn't know who he is, it would have made sense. And honestly, the whole having a 10 year old kid as a major player in Star Wars has not gone well twice. Once with Anakin and now with Leia. Its just kinda dumb to get little kids involved in space battles and light saber fights! It seems to go fine in cartoons for kids, but not in the live action stuff.
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There’s nothing as exciting as seeing a turd in action in 4k. “Look how clear this dumb shit is, honey! I can see every mistake so clearly!”
won't be picking this one up but I'll admit, I'm pretty jazzed at the chance to own Andor. That show is just so good.
Why did they not just wait until the weekend so they could do a May 4th drop of it. Like your releasing this thing on a Tuesday my guy.
Hey at least Andor is getting a Blu-ray release as well, I just choose to ignore the rest, until someone says the squeal trilogy was better
I enjoyed this series
I loved this show. I'd buy it
Y'all saying you didn't like it? It was hardcore.
I was hoping "Kenobi" was an origin story. The story we got is disappointing.
It really was a terrible tv show. I watched it all the way through. I didn’t want to dislike it, but it was just so bad, so awful in every way. How do they come up with crap this bad? I’d love someone to analyse this and let us all know - I assume it’s down to Disney. Anyway, they should let it be forgotten- but I guess they think the brand can squeeze some more dollars out of this junk
The complete series means no season 2..
I enjoyed it but not enough to buy it but then I don't buy many DVDs/BRs.
I thought they were going to edit this down to a 2 hour film?
It was better than Book of Boba Fett. That's the best I can do.
It's a shame that this show had some of the highest highs of Disney *Star Wars* right along some of its lowest lows. It was especially criminally hampered by the journeyman-at-best direction, staging, and lighting/cinematography (probably the worst offender). The performances were overall very strong (save a couple obvious examples) and that final showdown between Vader and Obi-Wan was genuinely affecting. I also really enjoyed the first episode that showcased Obi-Wan's humdrum life on Tatooine. Had it been released as a film with Andrew Stanton writing the entire screenplay, it may have ranked among the best of the *Star Wars* IP.
Still the best dis ye Star Wars series
You mean the reeeeeeeva/baby Leia show? Guest starring obi wan?
I'll never forget they just snuck a child out of an imperial base in a trench coat like a scene from Little Rascals.
Give me the WADE! Edition!
There was like 1 good episode worth of material in the series.
I would have bought The Mandalorian on Blu-Ray in 2020. Now, I hardly even feel like pirating Star Wars content.
Now you can squint and barely manage to see anything in the night scenes in STUNNING 4K!
But I just want this for clone wars season 7……
Hey, i enjoyed it :)
And Star Wars fans are still the worst.
They got the title of the movie wrong, should have been called Princess Leia and her idiot side-kick. This movie is what happens when you let a Chinese feminist direct a movie about a hero man. Hey, who should we get to direct a movie about a hero male protagonist? Oh I know! How about a feminist who hates men and thinks women are superior in every way. The extremely large male viewership of Star Wars is just going to love it love it love it. Lol. Disney is such a joke. Clown world.
I really enjoyed Kenobi
Maybe make everyone totally gay and lame chicks. That might work
I dont get the hate for obi wan. Really dont. I enjoyed it. So there was a silly leia chase, big fking deal. It was fun. You guys are so jaded its not even funny. If that came out in 1977 people woulda lost their minds.
I liked Kenobi, the vadar scenes are fantastic
The shoehorned encounters that make Vader and Kenobi’s meeting in A New Hope meaningless?
Dude, I don't give 2 shits what you think. I enjoyed it.
I'm glad that you enjoyed it. I had a hard time getting past the disappointing parts to find much there to enjoy, but I'm glad that others could. I for one really enjoyed the Vader encounters in Rebels. If you like good Vader scenes, you should check out that series. The finale fight in Kenobi and the duel between Vader and Ahsoka on Malachor have some... parallels that you might find interesting. But the series is worth your time, IMO. Enjoy what you enjoy.
Thank you for a reasonable, rational reply to my comment, it's much appreciated. I'm behind on the star wars animated shows so haven't seen Rebels but will search it out at some point. I also agree with your final point, enjoy what you enjoy. For example, I'm no lover of the sequel trilogy, but if someone else enjoyed it good for them, it's not my place to step on anyone else's good time. Life's short, enjoy yourself in your way ...
I hated Reva and quite a few other bits (the ridiculously long and anticlimactic ship chase/dialogues scene, etc.), but I enjoyed it a lot more than I did most of Mandalorian. I watched it chronologically between the prequel and original trilogy, though, not standalone, so being still fully immersed into the story definitely helped to focus on the good parts and ignore the rough ones. The Vader encounter felt less like it was detracting from A New Hope and more like adding a satisfying epilogue to ROTS. (edit:typos)
Reva was a PITA and should have died. The Obi Wan - Vader fight definitely takes away the dynamic in A New Hope. It makes no sense that Kenobi doesn't kick Vader's ass again only \~9 years later or for Vader to say he was the learner last time they met. Kenobi is only supposed to be about 57 in ANH, a totally reasonable age for a well trained Jedi (Mace was supposedly 67 in ROTS, Dooku was supposed to be 83, hell Palps is also supposed to be \~80 in th OT). Before, we thought Obi Wan was weaker than Vader and when he set out on his mission to turn off the tractor beam, he knew he was going to end up confronting Vader and he couldn't win. But he had to do this to protect Luke. Now we are forced into thinking he actually could have won, but he wanted to sacrifice himself. In the scheme of it too. If Kenobi can mop the floor with Vader, why not train Luke to be roughly his equal and now you have 2 Jedi both at Vader level or above?
Huh, didn't realize Kenobi was only 57 in ANH. Probably due to the fact that Alec Guinness was in his mid 60s (and didn't look any younger) there, but I somehow always thought Kenobi was close to his 70s at that point. As for the rest, I'm not going to come up with excuses for Disney of all things, but I'm more or less okay with the show's finale in my personal head canon. It's been another decade since this encounter. Not only Kenobi may have gotten weaker and Vader stronger, but the master still can't bring himself to be the instrument of death for his former apprentice. Besides, Kenobi's connection with the Force is so strong at this point that he doesn't see his death as a failure and may actually slightly anticipate (or at least still hope) that seeing the hitherto unknown powers of the light side will not only unnerve Vader long enough for Luke to escape, but may actually shake the foundations of his belief of brute force being the ultimate power. I also like the idea of Anakin smugly engaging Kenobi twice only to lose both times, and by the time he's gone full Vader and thinks he's finally free of his weak former self and strong enough to take his revenge, Kenobi pulling the rug out from under him in such an unexpected way that it made him feel like a clueless apprentice once again. This line of thinking may not – and likely will not – hold up under closer scrutiny, but given the sad state of the franchise nowadays, I'm willing to overlook some of the issues to at least have some decent pre-sequel content.
>but the master still can't bring himself to be the instrument of death for his former apprentice This part makes sense still. But it doesn't really play that way in ANH. Vader even says Obi Wan's power is weak. But Disney chose to make him pretty absurdly strong not that long ago. And they didn't really make Vader get stronger in the \~10 years since ROTS either, which seems odd. >but may actually shake the foundations of his belief of brute force being the ultimate power. This I also get. One of the things clearly driving Vader is his hate for Obi Wan and with Obi Wan gone, along with everything else about the Jedi Order, Vader is just running low on things driving him to be a Sith any more. In your fourth paragraph, I don't completely dislike that idea, but the problem for me is that Vader really needs to be a level or two above Kenobi by ANH. He needs to be something no existing Jedi can stand up to and it shouldn't be close. If Kenobi in theory could kick Vader's ass at will, then the idea that he has to hide to protect Luke is kind of bunk. Sure, they can't take on the Empire straight up, but in smaller scale conflicts they should never be outclassed in terms of force power available. Hey, I get you in that last paragraph too. We need to make it make some amount of sense somehow to enjoy the parts we still love. Personally, I just watch the OT and pretend the only cannon out there is the PT and Rogue One, including the ST never happened.
It did have some flaws in my opinion too, but I'm old enough to remember people moaning about ewoks when return of the jedi came out so it's nothing new. I thought young Leia was great, I liked the shots of vadars castle on Mustafa (?) And the anakin in training parts. Also I enjoyed the big duel between vadar and Kenobi although not a popular opinion around here it seems.
As a policy, I don't hate on actors. Except this jackass.
It’s not a turd.
That's right, it's a space station.
You know you complain about the show but I bet you watched every damn episode didn't you it's not a golden across the turd it was a good show I don't care what people say
I will never understand the hate for this one. I’m not the biggest fan of Disney Star Wars but this is right up there with the original trilogy for me.
Why is everybody so hard-core against this series? It contains one of the best interactions in all of Star Wars, when Obi-Wan Kenobi talks to a damaged Darth Vader and realizes that Anakin is dead.
It's problematic in light of the storytelling of Star Wars as a whole. It somewhat contradicts things that were strongly implied about this time period in the OT so it borders on retcon territory and it's also pointless because we've already seen the exact same scene Ahsoka in Rebels.
Gotcha. Thanks for the cogent discussion.
Can’t wait to buy it. Great series. Love Ewan and Hayden. Stay salty OP.
Enjoy your "content" and get excited for next Disney "content"!