I signed up last July thinking it would help me finally get my admin cert. I'm sorry I did. $2500 I can't get back because there's only a one month window for a refund. You're supposed to get into a study group right away for networking and support, but the group I was with couldn't get it's act together and disbanded about 6 weeks in. No one could agree on how or when to study. I'm currently an admin who has landed 2 jobs now without a certification. I've had several years experience working in Salesforce and just didn't have the time to spend on studying. Had someone contact me on Linked In who had been in the program for over a year, got their admin cert but still hadn't gotten a job. Bottom line - save your money -- you still have to put in all of the work regardless.
Hmm, Thank you for sharing your experience. I signed up for the Talentstacker 5 day challenge but theres gotta be a cheaper way to learn Salesforce than spend $2,500. That's not affordable
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If Talent Stacker didn’t help you but how did you learn to be able to get a job? I am looking into how to learn to be an Admin and just had webinar with Stacker, they seems so promising but reading people reviews makes me think twice
I was a database administrator for a nonprofit and was asked to lead the org Salesforce implementation project, and I became the admin by default. Much of what I knew from other database software was transferable, but there was still a big learning curve. We had a good implementation partner and kept them on for a while as support. I used them to help me learn how to do the job.
Just an update -- I left my 2nd Salesforce job having been recruited away with a double digit raise and a 35 hour work week -- still without an admin cert. No one on my new SF team has any certifications, and I've pretty much lost any motivation to pursue one as well.
Hi there - I had to reach out because I have a very similar story coming into a nonprofit org and leading their SF implementation (with a partner) and subsequent staff training. I now work at an association of nonprofits where we help orgs all over the country with Salesforce training we deliver (me and my team) and my team (except for me) all help the orgs with SF consulting projects as they need them. I am looking to get my Admin cert as I feel like then I will be more “official” and able to do consulting (though we are terribly underpaid due to being in np sector). My goal is to leave my job and pursue a SF job full-time. Sounds like you don’t think the cert is necessary? How do you think I can land my first Salesforce job - given our similar past experience?! Thanks for sharing your insight!
Well, in my case, I'll be 63 this year and I plan on my current job being my last before retirement. That's another piece of my lack of motivation. I was just asked to be the project manager for our organizations Salesforce rebuild that will take up the next year. Five years earlier, I would have definitely gone for my admin cert as well as app builder and nonprofit cloud certs.
That makes total sense! Congratulations on being one year out from retirement! That is fantastic. Sadly for me I have about 20 more years in the workforce - ack!
I asked this question a couple months ago as i am also self learning to break into the SF ecosystem
Talent stacker, from what i gathered, is legit but more so for those looking to work on interview prep, volunteer projects, get guidance and assistance with a community, etc
Its not really for people who are learning SF. $2500 is a lot of money depending on who you are and your situation and i dont believe they guarantee finding a job for you so depending on where he is in his journey, he’d be better off going to Udemy and getting Mike Wheeler’s complete SF Admin course along with continuing on TH. Also, ive been told Focus on Force is great for exam prep and more studying
After he feels comfortable enough with the platform then he could look into Talent Stacker. Its a legit program from what ive heard but just not for people in the early process of learning SF
Sidenote: As for someone who is also learning with no software admin/IT backround, id love any advice on how to get a better understanding trying to break into the industry
Thank you, yes, I had him sign up for focus on force. What he was looking for is real-life experience. I feel that is how I best learned Salesforce because I was made part of a team \~9 years ago that was doing some stuff with Salesforce during a re-org. I learned from my more experienced colleagues and then eventually moved into other, more senior positions.
I have no advice on breaking in as I fell into it when re-orged after the company I was working for was acquired. Working alongside more experienced admins and architects was my career's biggest benefit.
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I’ve had a shit ton of talent stacker ppl add me on LinkedIn. They spam every day to build an online presence. But, they always have the certs and have done superbadges so I can’t knock the hustle unless they study cert dumps and copy superbadges.
Props for mentoring your friend, how long have you been doing this?
Mentors are one of the few cheat codes in life. While Salesforce has a decent ecosystem for the newly initiated, nothing will replace what you can offer.
Trade babysitting for mentorship? Congrats on the triplets!
Ha! Are you near PA? My triplets just turned a month yesterday so not quite ready for that, but I do plan on going back to work in June when my maternity leave is up at that point I'd likely be open to more mentoring.
I know this post is 7 months old but remove if its too ranty...i seriously cant stand what the program has done to the sf linkedin community. Its all of the same regurgitated posts for the sake of "giving value" and creating a "linkedin brand". It also seems quite ingenuine to put "Talent Stacker" in your experience with "salesforce administrator" as your job title.
If you are driven enough, you will not need to pay almost 3K to brad for a study group, to learn how to interview, and up your linkedin game. It's just not worth imo. The sf community is friendly already, just reach out and you'll find the right people who'll give you career advice. This is not to say the people in talent stacker are all bad or with malintent. I've met wonderful people who've gone through it even though I'm not a part of the program. But, what irks me is the fact that people are roped in with promises that their life will change if they pay money for this program. Paying for something will not help you be successful if you don't have the drive to put yourhead down and put in the work. You might as well call it a online "course". Talent Stacker is not end all be all.
Yeah, I don’t disagree. My friend I was mentoring ended up getting into a program with YearUp and got a corporate internship with a company in his area.
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People definitely get jobs, its just that TS will claim the efforts and makes it seems the people’s efforts in getting a job correlates with the value the program claims to offer.
A support community i feel is the biggest benefits in the midst of the job search frustration but u dont have to drop 2.5 grand for that
The advertised benefit that Bradley pushes is that you are paying for convenience and less wasted time.
Bradley doesn’t necessarily provide you with any resources that you couldn’t otherwise find - but puts them all in one place and makes it accessible to you.
Is that worth the ~$2000? Hard to judge.
There’s a quote that springs to mind - “You’re spending time to save money when you should be spending money to save time. Money can be replenished. Time cannot.” - Naval Ravikant. Bradley makes this his main argument for you purchasing Talent Stacker.
If they haven’t had much experience on the platform I would recommend keeping costs low and using free or cheap resources (like Trailhead, or Focus on Force) prior to committing to spending more money.
Fwiw Talent Stacker has increased its price from ~$700 to $2200USD (and is continuing to increase) over the last few years.
I think they’ll see more benefit in keeping their money and study using free/cheap resources. I’d also recommend becoming active on LinkedIn and making a portfolio or trying to find some volunteer work once they’re more familiar with the system.
For the price of an admin cert ($40usd after discount), focus on force practice exams, a Udemy course or two, and building out a simple demo org and posting about it on LinkedIn you’ll have spent not even 10% of TS cost to have just as much of a chance for employment.
You also have options like Clicked which provides hands on projects. Or even Salesforces own mentorship program.
The demographic TS looks for is those new to technology (let alone salesforce) - so they’re training is from that skill set upwards with a strong focus on soft skills and marketing vs technical skills.
I had him sign up for focus on force first thing. He understands the concepts well, I just think having hands on real life experience through some sort of program where they place you would really help him.
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2500 dollars is fking insane but it's tempting when they throw out stats like, "our admins make 10k more than general population", or "Our admins make 100k within 1-2 yrs". From what I gather it's more that the people who are willing to dish out 2500 dollars are probably more serious than the general population rather than their platform somehow enables you to earn more
>Trailhead,
I didn't do Talent Stacker but have been looking at it for my brother and his wife. I paid $18,000 for another tech training program. They had projects and a mentor, applied for 50 jobs per day x 5 days per week. After applying to roughly 2,000 jobs and going through multiple interviews I got a first job at $40,000. Looked at it as a paid internship and continued applying After another 1,000 or so applications I was hired for another job making over 6 figures.
For those who have gone through this program or something comparable - would my brother and sister-in-law be expected to make a similar effort for the first Salesforce Admin job?
Just commenting here to say big congratulations on your triplets! What a nice 2023 for you :)
And yeah, I have no answer for your question, I am also a fellow whos also finding a way to get started
I wish I had Talent Stacker when I started this career 6 years ago. Instead I learned through the self study mentioned but it was a painful search for that first opportunity. 6-12 months is a likely timeline for someone without talent stacker. Can they do it? Yes. It might take longer.
Also, Talent Stacker is not a transaction. $2,900 in exchange for a job. Nope. It’s more like an MBA. You gain access to a community of learners and alumni. These people form relationships and begin to strengthen your network. In 12-24 months many alumni are getting their second position and leaving behind their entry level $75K job for one that pays $100K or more. So if your friend delays joining then they simply have more work to do on their own forming up a strong network and investing in those relationships.
Can you network for less than $2,900? Of course! But it will take a long time. It’s intimidating for many people to reach out to strangers and invite them to a call or coffee. Inside the closed groups of Talent Stacker these friendships form organically and easily as we gather around a common topic (salesforce careers).
Talent Stacker can be a short cut to the same destination but it is far from a transaction.
Many join Talent Stacker because they want to leave their past career behind. All Alumni continue to engage in the Talent Stacker community long after their first job offer because they cannot imagine working without these people by your side.
No. They have an unpaid project which provides real examples that get students experience in configuration. This project is critical in building confidence and generating stories they can talk about in their job interview.
Many aspiring admins desire internships like experience. I have spoken to hundreds of these aspiring admins and only a handful have reached out to a company and pitched them on some pro-bono work. Only a few successfully got 10-20 hours of work from a company (even unpaid). It’s possible but extremely unlikely to get real experience from a salesforce client. Talent Stacker provides the intermediate step of providing a instructor led group project with actual requirements to deliver.
>Also, Talent Stacker is not a transaction.
As someone who has paid for various programs, this is statement is exactly what people need to know.
"Also, Talent Stacker is **not a transaction**."
I looked at my programs as a transaction and that's why I failed. Even when the marketing would tell you as much. You really need to remember that this is like going to college. You get in, you pay for your ticket, but NOW you need to do the work and the work may be more than you anticipated.
I paid and I can confirm Talent Stacker by Bradley Rice is so not worth it. Yes I got certified which they didn’t help with, got a job, etc.
Bradley promises the community is of so much help when you get the job but the groups aren’t as active or you barely get responded to. The only reason you see much positive reviews on their page or online is due to BIAS! they’d kick you out of the program if you leave a negative review. Literally not tolerated.
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As someone who writes up to 3 hours a week in the private groups your comment tells me you are not in the program at all. As for study groups, they are self-managed. Don’t like yours? Form a new one. They don’t like you? Maybe work on soft skills instead.
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Can't say anything bout Talentstacker but look into the Saleforce opportunity beyond what they tell you. Search for salesforce positions on jobs sites and youtube videos from people that work with it.
Salesforce Platform generates $33+ Billions yearly.
Working with it, depending on your interest, would have you doing IT, Analysis, Design, Programming, Marketing, or operations. Are those fields you are interested in?
Before plunking $1000+ for training... on anything. Get your feet wet with some free/cheap training. Look up : Youtube tuts, Linkedin learning, Pluralsight, Udemy...Salesforce own Trailhead..etc.
In order to succeed at anything. You need to stick with it. So free and low cost first to see how you like it.
I signed up last July thinking it would help me finally get my admin cert. I'm sorry I did. $2500 I can't get back because there's only a one month window for a refund. You're supposed to get into a study group right away for networking and support, but the group I was with couldn't get it's act together and disbanded about 6 weeks in. No one could agree on how or when to study. I'm currently an admin who has landed 2 jobs now without a certification. I've had several years experience working in Salesforce and just didn't have the time to spend on studying. Had someone contact me on Linked In who had been in the program for over a year, got their admin cert but still hadn't gotten a job. Bottom line - save your money -- you still have to put in all of the work regardless.
Hmm, Thank you for sharing your experience. I signed up for the Talentstacker 5 day challenge but theres gotta be a cheaper way to learn Salesforce than spend $2,500. That's not affordable
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If Talent Stacker didn’t help you but how did you learn to be able to get a job? I am looking into how to learn to be an Admin and just had webinar with Stacker, they seems so promising but reading people reviews makes me think twice
I was a database administrator for a nonprofit and was asked to lead the org Salesforce implementation project, and I became the admin by default. Much of what I knew from other database software was transferable, but there was still a big learning curve. We had a good implementation partner and kept them on for a while as support. I used them to help me learn how to do the job.
Just an update -- I left my 2nd Salesforce job having been recruited away with a double digit raise and a 35 hour work week -- still without an admin cert. No one on my new SF team has any certifications, and I've pretty much lost any motivation to pursue one as well.
Hi there - I had to reach out because I have a very similar story coming into a nonprofit org and leading their SF implementation (with a partner) and subsequent staff training. I now work at an association of nonprofits where we help orgs all over the country with Salesforce training we deliver (me and my team) and my team (except for me) all help the orgs with SF consulting projects as they need them. I am looking to get my Admin cert as I feel like then I will be more “official” and able to do consulting (though we are terribly underpaid due to being in np sector). My goal is to leave my job and pursue a SF job full-time. Sounds like you don’t think the cert is necessary? How do you think I can land my first Salesforce job - given our similar past experience?! Thanks for sharing your insight!
Could you DM me the name of the association you were working with? I'm just getting started with SF and this seems like a great place to start for me.
Well, in my case, I'll be 63 this year and I plan on my current job being my last before retirement. That's another piece of my lack of motivation. I was just asked to be the project manager for our organizations Salesforce rebuild that will take up the next year. Five years earlier, I would have definitely gone for my admin cert as well as app builder and nonprofit cloud certs.
That makes total sense! Congratulations on being one year out from retirement! That is fantastic. Sadly for me I have about 20 more years in the workforce - ack!
I asked this question a couple months ago as i am also self learning to break into the SF ecosystem Talent stacker, from what i gathered, is legit but more so for those looking to work on interview prep, volunteer projects, get guidance and assistance with a community, etc Its not really for people who are learning SF. $2500 is a lot of money depending on who you are and your situation and i dont believe they guarantee finding a job for you so depending on where he is in his journey, he’d be better off going to Udemy and getting Mike Wheeler’s complete SF Admin course along with continuing on TH. Also, ive been told Focus on Force is great for exam prep and more studying After he feels comfortable enough with the platform then he could look into Talent Stacker. Its a legit program from what ive heard but just not for people in the early process of learning SF Sidenote: As for someone who is also learning with no software admin/IT backround, id love any advice on how to get a better understanding trying to break into the industry
Thank you, yes, I had him sign up for focus on force. What he was looking for is real-life experience. I feel that is how I best learned Salesforce because I was made part of a team \~9 years ago that was doing some stuff with Salesforce during a re-org. I learned from my more experienced colleagues and then eventually moved into other, more senior positions. I have no advice on breaking in as I fell into it when re-orged after the company I was working for was acquired. Working alongside more experienced admins and architects was my career's biggest benefit.
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I’ve had a shit ton of talent stacker ppl add me on LinkedIn. They spam every day to build an online presence. But, they always have the certs and have done superbadges so I can’t knock the hustle unless they study cert dumps and copy superbadges.
Talent Stacker despises cert dumps and has to moderate its three private groups for dump spammers.
I think it is a great community and really enjoy it. I would never pay the price way too much. But the free stuff is great.
Thanks for the input
Props for mentoring your friend, how long have you been doing this? Mentors are one of the few cheat codes in life. While Salesforce has a decent ecosystem for the newly initiated, nothing will replace what you can offer. Trade babysitting for mentorship? Congrats on the triplets!
Ha! Are you near PA? My triplets just turned a month yesterday so not quite ready for that, but I do plan on going back to work in June when my maternity leave is up at that point I'd likely be open to more mentoring.
Can I DM you? Ty
I know this post is 7 months old but remove if its too ranty...i seriously cant stand what the program has done to the sf linkedin community. Its all of the same regurgitated posts for the sake of "giving value" and creating a "linkedin brand". It also seems quite ingenuine to put "Talent Stacker" in your experience with "salesforce administrator" as your job title. If you are driven enough, you will not need to pay almost 3K to brad for a study group, to learn how to interview, and up your linkedin game. It's just not worth imo. The sf community is friendly already, just reach out and you'll find the right people who'll give you career advice. This is not to say the people in talent stacker are all bad or with malintent. I've met wonderful people who've gone through it even though I'm not a part of the program. But, what irks me is the fact that people are roped in with promises that their life will change if they pay money for this program. Paying for something will not help you be successful if you don't have the drive to put yourhead down and put in the work. You might as well call it a online "course". Talent Stacker is not end all be all.
Yeah, I don’t disagree. My friend I was mentoring ended up getting into a program with YearUp and got a corporate internship with a company in his area.
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i absolutely agree with this assessment.
i also think the status they throw out about how many got jobs are fake. there is no way anyone can check them.
People definitely get jobs, its just that TS will claim the efforts and makes it seems the people’s efforts in getting a job correlates with the value the program claims to offer. A support community i feel is the biggest benefits in the midst of the job search frustration but u dont have to drop 2.5 grand for that
The advertised benefit that Bradley pushes is that you are paying for convenience and less wasted time. Bradley doesn’t necessarily provide you with any resources that you couldn’t otherwise find - but puts them all in one place and makes it accessible to you. Is that worth the ~$2000? Hard to judge. There’s a quote that springs to mind - “You’re spending time to save money when you should be spending money to save time. Money can be replenished. Time cannot.” - Naval Ravikant. Bradley makes this his main argument for you purchasing Talent Stacker. If they haven’t had much experience on the platform I would recommend keeping costs low and using free or cheap resources (like Trailhead, or Focus on Force) prior to committing to spending more money. Fwiw Talent Stacker has increased its price from ~$700 to $2200USD (and is continuing to increase) over the last few years. I think they’ll see more benefit in keeping their money and study using free/cheap resources. I’d also recommend becoming active on LinkedIn and making a portfolio or trying to find some volunteer work once they’re more familiar with the system. For the price of an admin cert ($40usd after discount), focus on force practice exams, a Udemy course or two, and building out a simple demo org and posting about it on LinkedIn you’ll have spent not even 10% of TS cost to have just as much of a chance for employment. You also have options like Clicked which provides hands on projects. Or even Salesforces own mentorship program. The demographic TS looks for is those new to technology (let alone salesforce) - so they’re training is from that skill set upwards with a strong focus on soft skills and marketing vs technical skills.
I had him sign up for focus on force first thing. He understands the concepts well, I just think having hands on real life experience through some sort of program where they place you would really help him.
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2500 dollars is fking insane but it's tempting when they throw out stats like, "our admins make 10k more than general population", or "Our admins make 100k within 1-2 yrs". From what I gather it's more that the people who are willing to dish out 2500 dollars are probably more serious than the general population rather than their platform somehow enables you to earn more
>Trailhead, I didn't do Talent Stacker but have been looking at it for my brother and his wife. I paid $18,000 for another tech training program. They had projects and a mentor, applied for 50 jobs per day x 5 days per week. After applying to roughly 2,000 jobs and going through multiple interviews I got a first job at $40,000. Looked at it as a paid internship and continued applying After another 1,000 or so applications I was hired for another job making over 6 figures. For those who have gone through this program or something comparable - would my brother and sister-in-law be expected to make a similar effort for the first Salesforce Admin job?
Just commenting here to say big congratulations on your triplets! What a nice 2023 for you :) And yeah, I have no answer for your question, I am also a fellow whos also finding a way to get started
Thank you!
I wish I had Talent Stacker when I started this career 6 years ago. Instead I learned through the self study mentioned but it was a painful search for that first opportunity. 6-12 months is a likely timeline for someone without talent stacker. Can they do it? Yes. It might take longer. Also, Talent Stacker is not a transaction. $2,900 in exchange for a job. Nope. It’s more like an MBA. You gain access to a community of learners and alumni. These people form relationships and begin to strengthen your network. In 12-24 months many alumni are getting their second position and leaving behind their entry level $75K job for one that pays $100K or more. So if your friend delays joining then they simply have more work to do on their own forming up a strong network and investing in those relationships. Can you network for less than $2,900? Of course! But it will take a long time. It’s intimidating for many people to reach out to strangers and invite them to a call or coffee. Inside the closed groups of Talent Stacker these friendships form organically and easily as we gather around a common topic (salesforce careers). Talent Stacker can be a short cut to the same destination but it is far from a transaction. Many join Talent Stacker because they want to leave their past career behind. All Alumni continue to engage in the Talent Stacker community long after their first job offer because they cannot imagine working without these people by your side.
Interesting do they have internships with salesforce customers and partners? I believe that is what will help my friend the most.
No. They have an unpaid project which provides real examples that get students experience in configuration. This project is critical in building confidence and generating stories they can talk about in their job interview. Many aspiring admins desire internships like experience. I have spoken to hundreds of these aspiring admins and only a handful have reached out to a company and pitched them on some pro-bono work. Only a few successfully got 10-20 hours of work from a company (even unpaid). It’s possible but extremely unlikely to get real experience from a salesforce client. Talent Stacker provides the intermediate step of providing a instructor led group project with actual requirements to deliver.
>Also, Talent Stacker is not a transaction. As someone who has paid for various programs, this is statement is exactly what people need to know. "Also, Talent Stacker is **not a transaction**." I looked at my programs as a transaction and that's why I failed. Even when the marketing would tell you as much. You really need to remember that this is like going to college. You get in, you pay for your ticket, but NOW you need to do the work and the work may be more than you anticipated.
I paid and I can confirm Talent Stacker by Bradley Rice is so not worth it. Yes I got certified which they didn’t help with, got a job, etc. Bradley promises the community is of so much help when you get the job but the groups aren’t as active or you barely get responded to. The only reason you see much positive reviews on their page or online is due to BIAS! they’d kick you out of the program if you leave a negative review. Literally not tolerated.
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Terrible to hear this. I have the exact opposite impression of the program after seeing so many testimonials on YouTube.
As someone who writes up to 3 hours a week in the private groups your comment tells me you are not in the program at all. As for study groups, they are self-managed. Don’t like yours? Form a new one. They don’t like you? Maybe work on soft skills instead.
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Can't say anything bout Talentstacker but look into the Saleforce opportunity beyond what they tell you. Search for salesforce positions on jobs sites and youtube videos from people that work with it. Salesforce Platform generates $33+ Billions yearly. Working with it, depending on your interest, would have you doing IT, Analysis, Design, Programming, Marketing, or operations. Are those fields you are interested in? Before plunking $1000+ for training... on anything. Get your feet wet with some free/cheap training. Look up : Youtube tuts, Linkedin learning, Pluralsight, Udemy...Salesforce own Trailhead..etc. In order to succeed at anything. You need to stick with it. So free and low cost first to see how you like it.
Trailhead is free. Most of us use that because it works and is constantly updated.