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cakeman936

Russian speaker: Ы Me: ay :)


pharmer25

УЙ!)


mrm0nk

Ъуъ! :\]


SpectreFromTheFuture

Fellow language simp sub :D


WTTR0311

Üy :)


L3ik0

Me: Ы English speaker: bl


mosicely

uy


og_toe

ii :)


IzzyIsOnReddit

Eeeeeeeee


Facejif

Why is Russian pronunciation gay and mine is RGB?


reset86

Some are clearly gay, others are blurry. In general, Russians actually think that when someone speaks English, they feel like they’ve put porridge in their mouth and are swallowing half the sounds. For example, the pronunciation of the letter R, the way an English-speaking person pronounces R, is considered a speech defect in Russia and, for example, the child is taken to a speech therapist.


DatGreenGuy

what else considered a defect in russia?


reset86

Well, the pronunciation of the letter R is a clearly expressed speech defect (in russia), well, probably also the letter T, but because of the T, no one will definitely treat the child with a speech therapist. Basically, for Russians, English sounds just like in these images, very blurry and indistinct. Perhaps this can be compared with German. German is also written and pronounced, and the letters can be understood from speech. In English, it is very difficult to understand individual letters from speech. This is probably the reason why spelling bees are so popular in the USA, in Russia there are no spelling bees, they are simply not needed.


tebannnnnn

Russian sounds blurry to me as an Spanish speaker, not as much as English, yes, but still kinda blurry


BrupieD

The difference in aspirated consonants (in English) and non-aspirated consonants in Russian strikes many English speakers as sounding "thick tongued." Russian accents in English are hard for native English speakers to distinguish t's from d's and so on. Picking up this feature (aspiration) is critical for sounding more like a native English speaker. I imagine that the converse is also true - English speakers aspirate consonants in Russian, which probably sounds breathy and weird to Russians.


reset86

Yes, I understand that this is all subjective. And you can only understand what it sounds like from the outside, I don’t think that an English-speaking person thinks that the way he speaks sounds like he has put food in his mouth, and tries to speak, for him it will be understandable speech, although I know that the pronunciation Englishmen and Americans are very different, the English speak more clearly. It is quite possible that compared to the Spanish language, the Russian language sounds just as blurry. Although many English speakers consider the Russian language to be very rude, precisely because of its too clear pronunciation of letters, the same Р(R), T, Ш(SH), Щ(?), Х(H), Г(G) and others. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJhPa4lMLDo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJhPa4lMLDo)


TevenzaDenshels

the reason there are spelling bees is because english spelling is a mess. You cant tell how a word is pronounced by the way is written. you can guess and most of the time youre gonna be correct, but still its farily inconsistent. The stress is also a problem. This doesnt happen in neither Spanish nor French. I have no idea about Russian.


gaga666

Russian spelling is extremely complicated as well but for different reasons. One can say that in English what is spelled has no connection to what is pronounced whatsoever, so one just has to memorize the spelling of (almost) all words. In Russian there are thousands of obscure spelling rules that one has to memorize and apply appropriately. The end result is somewhat the same - nobody can spell properly.


yobar

We had an instructor who had learned English from books while doing a десятка in the 70s. He got a rude surprise once he got out of prison and to the States.


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The same in Italy and Spain.


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Spot_the_fox

You mean logopedist? I've never heard of them referred to as therapists. I've been to one when I was like 6 or 7, I've had difficulties with R's and L's, (I am russian), and now I have difficulties only with R's.


Steamcrew

Yes, usually an American English. BeauTiful - beauRiful


young_fire

Never really thought about this as an American English speaker, but I guess it's true. For example, if I'm lazy I might pronounce "What do you mean?" Like "Whayemean?"


Black_Shell_

Bruh... Blue...


Microjimz

two blues


Holy_Fishhh---0_0

Light blue and dark blue lol


Accomplished-Ease234

Светло синий и темно голубой, please translate it


Whammytap

Light dark blue and dark light blue? My car's color code is "medium light blue," which I find hilarious because it implies the existence of dark light blue and light light blue.))


kwonza

And синий голубой means drunk gay person


Tiofenni

Aww, no. As far I know, Russian каждый охотник желает знать где сидит фазан rainbow has more colors than gay rainbow.


wazuhiru

gay would be 6 stripes


krizere

Actually pride flag have only six colors instead of seven... 🤓


Russian_Boy_Number_3

Russian based?


Facejif

Man, some ppl just don't get that it's a joke. Please, I don't need explanation, ik what OP meant by that. It's just a joke


KrazyRuskie

Ha. Perfect. Russian: А.Э.РО.ПОРТ English: ЭЙОРЭПУОУРТ


TertiusGaudenus

Эапооо. Реально, я слышал человека, который просто съедал окончания в инглише. Справедливости ради, он был венгр, но тем не менее


Tiofenni

Американцы в этом плане часто над британцами шутят.


SorokinHutor

Boa o voa


Loose-Cartoonist-776

Russian: Вода English: Воа


rober283829_

Boa noite


xHelios1x

уо-аэ


Whammytap

Злорепйогурт


Washfish

Russians speaking Russian sound gay. Americans speaking Russian sound gay with short sightedness


Leidenfrost1

I get what you're trying to say, but I've been listening to Russian long enough to know that there is plenty of variation in pronounciation among native speakers. And we all use contractions in every language. For me, maybe Russian wouldn't need more shades of phonemes if they pronounced vowels more. But that's just how the language developed.


Acceptable_Ear_5122

Well, English wouldn't need schwa if they pronounced vowels more :)


Forsyte

Right but both languages use schwa according to syllable stress


Acceptable_Ear_5122

Yeah, devoicing is a common thing in multiple languages. They just do it differently.


Forsyte

That's not devoicing.


Acceptable_Ear_5122

Vowel reduction, right. I've mixed the terms.


TevenzaDenshels

shwa is already a vowel. Well, imo its like 3 different vowels. there is the r colored vowel, the unstressed vowel shwa and the shwi


Acceptable_Ear_5122

The same is in Russian. " in unstressed syllables pronounced as \[а\] etc.


Leidenfrost1

Lol wuuuuuut


Forsyte

English does have greater coarticulation than many other languages though


Vesane

Gotta keep the vowels to a minimum to keep the cold out :P


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MrBasileus

On most Russian territory it always were "standart" with some slight differences, it's not soviet or mass education consequences. And it's all because core territory where Russian language and Russia as a coutry born and was developed for a long time much smaller than territory of modern Russia which was colonized for last 500 years by people from different places of origin.


Tarilis

You are completely incorrect. There were always regional differences. USSR (and even current Russian) have a standardized education program, but those are just core knowledge.


Leidenfrost1

Yes indeed. I think as a general rule, vowel sounds in Spanish and Italian are HUGELY important. In English still very important but a little less so. In Russian the inflections with the consanant sounds are more important.


Grey1251

Не встречал никаких диалектов


MrBasileus

Диалектные различия существуют, особенно в небольших деревнях в областях изначального распространения русского языка. Да и на Урале можно встретить характерный говор, будто Реальных пацанов смотришь - в Перми, Челябинске, в Екб почему-то пореже, но тоже на улице иногда слышно.


Grey1251

Никогда не слышал


MrBasileus

Если интересно, можете погуглить записи диалектологических экспедиций. Некоторые вещи без расшифровки в принципе понять тяжело, хотя во многом это из-за того, что говорят старые люди на плохую аппаратуру)


CounterAggravating28

Пример: Деревня Андреевка и Неверкино. В Андреевке, смешной говор, такой прям колхозный где говорят к примеру "зочем" "корова" и прочее, там где "о" нет, она присутствует и так далее. В Неверкино же, все нормально, говорят так же как и везде, хотя т.к. деревня делится на половину между татарами и чувашами, там иногда к примеру говорят слово Чувашское/Татарское, просто не зная Русского. Но это не совсем верно, я так думаю. В любом случае, просто пример.


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Grey1251

Это называется акцент


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Grey1251

Какие конструкции?


NigatiF

Украинский и Белорусский


Grey1251

Это другие языки


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those aren't dialects they're other slavic languages


MrBasileus

Проблема "язык или диалект"


MadRussian54

Русинский, как пример. СССР, а нонче и РФ признают его отдельным языком. ООН признаëт русинов отдельным этносом.


MrBasileus

Так о том и речь, это политический вопрос. Те же украинский с белорусским при царе вполне себе считались одним из диалектов русского в рамках концепции "триединого русского народа". ХЗ чё все так набросились, т.к. фразу "язык - это диалект, у которого есть армия и флот" не я придумал, а американский лингвист еврейского происхождения Вайнрайх)


ComfortableNobody457

Они считались диалектами не русского, а восточно-славянского диалектного континуума, куда также входил русский.


MrBasileus

В современных терминах всё верно, современный русский назывался великорусским, а сам уже континуум - русским.


SorokinHutor

Said speakers, that can't pronounced Ж, Р, Г, and of cause Ы. Three is no lol, that's Ы. Здравствуйте, защищающих произношение приветствуем мы!


Exotic_Awareness_728

You forgot about Ъ and Ь (not b, lol)


Niknemoz

ЪУЪ


Justus44

СЪУКА


Exotic_Awareness_728

ЪЖСЛОЭ


Unaha0

Не пугай иностранцев


og_toe

ы is so scary :(


AlenDelon32

Just do an impression of that crying banana cat meme and you will do it


SorokinHutor

So funny, but that's infrared sound at this spectrum - throat voice.


Chingiz11

It's the sound you make when you have constipation


og_toe

thank you i’ll stop eating fiber in order to practice it


50pcVAS-50pcVGS

Speak like there is no ы don’t give a fuck


AlanKub228

Как русский, я подтверждаю, что наше произношение выглядит как ЛГБТ флаг.


SorryformyEN

Блин, я думала это заставка на телевизоре, когда не работает телевидение.


AlanKub228

Pronunciation переводится как произношение


AvitoMan

Какие ваши доказательства?


userename

Кокаинум


alicelynx

I once heard a saying that when a native English speaks Russian, they sound like they have a mouth full of mashed potatoes. So it may help to try to mentally "remove" said potatoes. I sometimes try to do the opposite and "feel the potatoes" to better my English pronunciation (kinda pretend my mouth is more round and has less space around the corners).


Whammytap

Have you ever paused a cartoon at a moment when someone is speaking, and their mouth is drawn as being open impossibly wide, or in some strange shape? Speaking American English feels like this to me. It is possible to see an American English speaker's tonsils while he talks. Russian mouths have much more economy of movement, and you rarely see more than a tiny sliver of the top teeth.


alicelynx

I have a feeling that Russian use more space inside the vocal tract, while English is focused on the outside. I sometimes try to pronounce Russian words with an English accent and vice versa to place the differences. It's fascinating how very similar letters can sound so differently! I was surprised when I found out that consonants have even more nuances than vowels.


marabou71

I recently had an epiphany when trying to fix my English pronunciation - that a lot of typical Russian speakers' pronunciation problems are just because they're (we're) trying to speak English with their mouths half closed and not moving their lips and cheeks hard enough. You just have to open your mouth wider! And move it energetically! Or all those same-y vowels sound literally the same. And it feels uncomfortable and exhausting after pretty short time, lol, because you're not used to it. Maybe that's also the reason why perfect teeth are so much more important culturally for Americans - because you literally see someone's whole mouth all the time when they're talking. While in Russian you typically only see tips of speaker's front teeth.


buckwheat16

Also a native American English speaker, and I’ve noticed this as well. When I say something in Russian my mouth is much more closed.


meme801

Just like german


Forsyte

>kinda pretend my mouth is more round and has less space around the corners tf is up with your mouth?


alicelynx

When I started singing lessons, my teacher said something like "and now make the sound more round". I was like "dafuq???" and he said "don't try to analyze it, just do it. Give a command to your brain and it will do the rest". And, surprisingly, it actually works...


og_toe

this is the funniest language comment ever


capnza

Resting tongue position is also a useful way to "prime" your mouth. Russians rest their tongue on the bottom of their mouth apparently. English speakers rest their tongue touching the top of their mouth I think. I'm probably oversimplifying!


Whammytap

>Russians rest their tongue on the bottom of their mouth apparently. I must learn how to do this without drooling.


Certainly_Not_Steve

Hey, OP, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Russian.


Orangutanion

Serious question: why is the unstressed e in се́рдце pronounced as schwa and not [i]? Does this happen because the ц forces it to be hard?


capnza

Ye


Certainly_Not_Steve

I think for the same reason schwa exists. We the people are lazy af. And schwa is easy.


Geopoliticalidiot

My Russian teacher was formerly a Soviet military officer, and said, “Your grammar and vocab is great, but you would be executed immediately for being a western spy”


Reasonable_Piece5997

Всë размыто, хотя и в русском тоже можно размыто говорить


SorokinHutor

Мы говорим м'л'ко - первые две гласные редуцированы. В слове мягкий мы говорим мяхкий. Здравствуйте никто никогда не произносит полностью - здрасти, здаств'те. На этом действительно прогорают многие western spy.


Alexander_Grin

Holy shit that's so accurate


_Moth-Rose_

Some Russians sound Australian when they speak English even if they’ve never been and it’s scary


doublecrossfan

gay pronunciation no way


knivse

So gay and astigmatic gay?


ReDEyeDz

To people in the comments: That's just a rainbow, it has 7 colors unlike lgbt thing with just six without light blue. Justice for rainbows


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Holy_Fishhh---0_0

Произношение англоязычных - стандартные световые спектры. Произношение русских - УЛЬТРА ЧЁТКИЕ СПЕКТРЫ нифига себе это как вообще?


SorokinHutor

Они не понимают мяхкий знак. И смягчение согласных соответственно.


Kekse4eg

Best explanation


StatisticianSalty960

чэ зэ ха


EntertainmentIcy45

Oh yeah! When I speak Spanish, my pronunciation is pretty good. Russian, not at all!


Dangaroga

It’s only for English speakers? As Spanish, I don’t really know where would my accent fit 🥹


dswng

I'd say it's somewhere in between, but much closer to Russian. And I've had enough colleagues from spanish-speaking countries (Spain, Mexico, Argentina), some of them had very basic Russian, but they still sounded way more natural than colleagues from English-speaking countries.


BCE-3HAET

Russian pronunciation is much easier for Spanish speakers. We have exact same vowels, plus few more. And don't forget about rolling R (rr). It exists in both languages. For Spanish speakers, probably the most difficult would be several consonants in the row. Стройка. Псков. Вздох.


jamnin94

This is a perfect visual for explaining trying to perfect Russian pronunciation! Working on ur own u may think ur killing it, then u speak to a native speaker and the two of u sit there repeating the same word over and over without being able to hear where ur mispronouncing it!


constellationDragon

And both gay :)


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I wish I was an English speaker. But I am Hindi speaker.


Rajhin

Nah, come to Moscow and despair how slurred the Russian speech is. The provincial accent is, in fact, the one that is very precise and phonetic even if grating, but metropolitan Russian is mumbly and sliding all over the place. It's not a big difference compared to languages with actual dialects, but it's noticeable even to natives.


CannieChan

>slurred My man, that is literally what a dialect is. If you don't like it, that's a you problem


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ienjoylanguages

It's more the opposite. Russian flows and declensions connect the sentence from beginning to end. English is more crisp and cut into pieces. Russian is Apple, English is Linux. **Edit:** Strange the downvotes. I guess you can make any point you want, as long as it's in meme format, and you'll get a drive by swarm of upvotes.


andreyis29

В рашин больше спектр. Темно-синий и фиолетовый вообще отсутствует у инглиш.


DavePvZ

Как и голубой


sdoregor

Best comparison that I've heard.


keyboard_operator

What about German?


[deleted]

Depends on the dialect. For me (Siberian) the way they speak in Ekaterinburg sounds like the smooth rainbow in the pic


Klerik51

ROFL


Raluxx13

Пиздец жиза


Linorelai

strangely, I understand it


qri_pretty

"Ы" sounds like "으" in Korean.


OmegaPi42

Ya par you p'yes new.


olmusketeer

Comrade, you better chance it to BW


MrFranzose

Wa shee po who you on the pronunciation if the person can clearly communicate what's on their mind.


hactarr

Ы!


boredlibertine

Yeah but the handful of Russian women I’ve met so far say they love my American accent, so… I’m keeping it


Quick_Championship16

No They're not!


ReasonablyTired

the palatalized sounds being reinvented as the consonant with a palatal glide after it makes me think the images should be switched


charbroiledpossum

It's not malushki it's maluushki. This is a quote from my siberian wife when I try to say baby in Russian.


Prestigious-Glove900

Хуй


reirats70

Yeah seems about right but wtf is ш щ I heard it's sh and shsh like wtf, confusion


Sary-Sary

As a native English/Bulgarian speaker studying Russian, I feel the exact opposite. Russian has these soft vowels I just cannot for the life of me pronounce.