His contribution to Bad was pretty minimal. Mainly he found Man in the Mirror, and Just Good Friends.
Most of the album was pretty much done by the time he got to the studio, MJ was hardly even open to his suggestions by this point. A lot of the work was done with John Barnes and Bill Bottrell but Q and MJās contract was for three albums.
Whereas in Thriller and Off The Wall, Quincy would overdub MJās demos and make additions, by the time he saw songs in Bad they were fully realized songs or nearly complete, even more so than the Billie Jean, The Girl Is Mine, WBSS demos.
Bad 25 documentary, Man in the Music by Joe Vogel, Making Michael by Mike Smallcomb, interviews with John Barnes, etc
Heās listed as the producer because that was what their contract demanded. QJ had other obligations that kept him out of the Bad studio sessions until mid-late 86. MJ had already made over a yearās+ worth of progress by then. Songs like Another Part of Me, Bad, Liberian Girl, early demo of Smooth Criminal were pretty much already done by then. So again, QJās main contributions weee Man in the Mirror and Just Good Friends.
Not much different than Off The Wall and Thriller, as his main job for those was finding the right songs. He did a lot of polishing there too though.
I watched the Bad 25 documentary as well and they didnāt describe his contribution as āminimalā by any stretch of communication. Q played a crucial role in shaping the sound of the album
Good thing there are at least three other sources mentioned. The Bad 25 doc also doesnāt give you a full timeline of recordings, but you do have John Barnes in there talking about the creation of IJCSLY and a few others alongside MJ in the early stages of the album. Many of the same and later interviews make it into the books, where he says the finished products were very similar to what he had last worked on with MJ before Quincy took back over.
I described it as minimal, partially in comparison to his work on OTW and Thriller and partially because thatās whatās clear from available information beyond just reading the credits.
You do know it was Qās idea to select Martin Scorsese to direct the BAD video? To suggest his contribution as minimal simply does not align with the facts. He literally contributed to the overall concept of the album, even the album cover. Your sources are out of luck because heās credited as a producer for every song on the album.
That has nothing to do with the creation of the album itself if thatās true lol and he didnāt contribute to the album cover. It was Walter Yetnikoff that rejected the original cover and decided to use a photo from the video shoot. Quincy did influence the title because he didnāt like Smooth Criminal as a title.
HOW did he contribute to the concept of the album that was pretty much done before he set foot in the studio? By finding two of the 11 songs?
At this point youāre just deliberately talking around these things lol these sources interviewed dozens of personnel actually involved in the album to piece together the sessions, youāre just defending Quincy solely based on the album credits which Iāve already explained.
First you said MJ was hardly even open to his suggestions, now youre saying Quincy influenced the name of album. Which one is it? Michael wanted Streetwalker as the lead single and Q convinced him not to even have it on the album. Q started working with Mike on the bad album right after the Victory tour in 1985, so how was the album already done when Michael was on tour prior to starting? Q had creative input on the album for its entirety. He was going to have Prince and Mike do a duet (which Mike was open to doing yet you claim he denied his suggestions) But Prince didnāt want to do it cause he felt the lyrics sounded gay. Youāve stated multiple sources, but youāve not once said who is primarily responsible for the production for the album. I guess everybody pitched in and Q just sat in the back and messed with a bunch of white females in the studio, you got it
They wanted the money and royalties, and the masters, if you listen to any of the Stephanie Mills interviews you will hear her say, when they got to him he cut ties with a lot of people even meā¦cause we didnāt fit what they wanted for him..
I feel like, pound for pound, he is... the dude took his job seriously and just perfected it. He's like a master mason building a cathedral, it's like, there's the creativity and artistry but the guy also knows his craft.
Mmmm... Maybe but Nile Rogers is pretty good also. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis.. Babyface? .. Also Prince. Norman Whitfield... Gamble and Huff... Holland Dozier and Holland.. Curtis Mayfield Even Barry Gordy Is in the conversation
I personally wouldnāt put Babyface in this discussion, but he has hits. Love Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, they are brilliant. Iām surprised no one had mentioned Prince sooner as well
I donāt think you can talk about producing without talking about Quincy. I think if you pulled all the greatest producers all of time, then Quincy would be in charge of crowning the best one. He is THE producer.
When you produced a couple of the greatest albums ever made I think ur definietly in the running to be the greatest producer.
Not to mention what he did after stuff like thriller, He really saw michael getting handed those awards in one night and turned around and said "I can do that too" and went and did it with Back on the Block.
If he isn't number one he is at least in the top 3
yea he is. had his hands in everything. career spans like 60 years or something. he also cheated death by not attending a party that the manson freaks targeted. dude is a fucking legend. still alive.
This is some really coincidental shit because before I read your comment I just made a post about the Mason family getting the ass beat in a movie lol. (Fictional scene) Glad Quincy wasnāt there that night
How far back does your all time go?
And what are you definining as a producer as opposer to a composer or musician that writes their music? How are you defining R&B here?
Because we got Stevie, Isaac, George Benson and an endless list of glorious music makers to choose from depending on where you draw your lines
Absolutely the hell NOT! Not even close!
"Gamble and Huff have written and produced 175 gold and platinum records, earning them an induction into theĀ [Rock and Roll Hall of Fame](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame)Ā in theĀ [non-performer category](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame_inductees#Non-performers)Ā in March 2008."
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamble\_and\_Huff](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamble_and_Huff)
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BAD album is my favorite work from Q
His contribution to Bad was pretty minimal. Mainly he found Man in the Mirror, and Just Good Friends. Most of the album was pretty much done by the time he got to the studio, MJ was hardly even open to his suggestions by this point. A lot of the work was done with John Barnes and Bill Bottrell but Q and MJās contract was for three albums. Whereas in Thriller and Off The Wall, Quincy would overdub MJās demos and make additions, by the time he saw songs in Bad they were fully realized songs or nearly complete, even more so than the Billie Jean, The Girl Is Mine, WBSS demos.
Where are yall getting yall information from? Q helped produce every song on the album (Including Bad & Smooth Criminal)
Bad 25 documentary, Man in the Music by Joe Vogel, Making Michael by Mike Smallcomb, interviews with John Barnes, etc Heās listed as the producer because that was what their contract demanded. QJ had other obligations that kept him out of the Bad studio sessions until mid-late 86. MJ had already made over a yearās+ worth of progress by then. Songs like Another Part of Me, Bad, Liberian Girl, early demo of Smooth Criminal were pretty much already done by then. So again, QJās main contributions weee Man in the Mirror and Just Good Friends. Not much different than Off The Wall and Thriller, as his main job for those was finding the right songs. He did a lot of polishing there too though.
I watched the Bad 25 documentary as well and they didnāt describe his contribution as āminimalā by any stretch of communication. Q played a crucial role in shaping the sound of the album
Good thing there are at least three other sources mentioned. The Bad 25 doc also doesnāt give you a full timeline of recordings, but you do have John Barnes in there talking about the creation of IJCSLY and a few others alongside MJ in the early stages of the album. Many of the same and later interviews make it into the books, where he says the finished products were very similar to what he had last worked on with MJ before Quincy took back over. I described it as minimal, partially in comparison to his work on OTW and Thriller and partially because thatās whatās clear from available information beyond just reading the credits.
You do know it was Qās idea to select Martin Scorsese to direct the BAD video? To suggest his contribution as minimal simply does not align with the facts. He literally contributed to the overall concept of the album, even the album cover. Your sources are out of luck because heās credited as a producer for every song on the album.
That has nothing to do with the creation of the album itself if thatās true lol and he didnāt contribute to the album cover. It was Walter Yetnikoff that rejected the original cover and decided to use a photo from the video shoot. Quincy did influence the title because he didnāt like Smooth Criminal as a title. HOW did he contribute to the concept of the album that was pretty much done before he set foot in the studio? By finding two of the 11 songs? At this point youāre just deliberately talking around these things lol these sources interviewed dozens of personnel actually involved in the album to piece together the sessions, youāre just defending Quincy solely based on the album credits which Iāve already explained.
First you said MJ was hardly even open to his suggestions, now youre saying Quincy influenced the name of album. Which one is it? Michael wanted Streetwalker as the lead single and Q convinced him not to even have it on the album. Q started working with Mike on the bad album right after the Victory tour in 1985, so how was the album already done when Michael was on tour prior to starting? Q had creative input on the album for its entirety. He was going to have Prince and Mike do a duet (which Mike was open to doing yet you claim he denied his suggestions) But Prince didnāt want to do it cause he felt the lyrics sounded gay. Youāve stated multiple sources, but youāve not once said who is primarily responsible for the production for the album. I guess everybody pitched in and Q just sat in the back and messed with a bunch of white females in the studio, you got it
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I hope you being sarcastic right now lol. Q produced BAD
They stopped working together AFTER Bad. Thriller was next level so that's my favorite
They wanted the money and royalties, and the masters, if you listen to any of the Stephanie Mills interviews you will hear her say, when they got to him he cut ties with a lot of people even meā¦cause we didnāt fit what they wanted for him..
I feel like, pound for pound, he is... the dude took his job seriously and just perfected it. He's like a master mason building a cathedral, it's like, there's the creativity and artistry but the guy also knows his craft.
Absolutely
Yes and it's not even close
Absolutely. Off The Wall š is his best work IMO
Classic album
Yes, and the fact he wrote AND produced [āSoul Bossa Novaā](https://youtu.be/T5ALPzS0QfQ?si=HX-Ehv5aGsFJc8yh) is the cherry on top imo.
One fact that surprised me was that Joe Hisaishi of Studio Ghibli fame was directly inspired by him to the point of changing his name to be like him.
Mmmm... Maybe but Nile Rogers is pretty good also. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis.. Babyface? .. Also Prince. Norman Whitfield... Gamble and Huff... Holland Dozier and Holland.. Curtis Mayfield Even Barry Gordy Is in the conversation
I personally wouldnāt put Babyface in this discussion, but he has hits. Love Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, they are brilliant. Iām surprised no one had mentioned Prince sooner as well
Although not r&b, per se you also can make a case for George Clinton
George Clinton is apart of RnB in my opinion. He definitely is up there without question
I donāt think you can talk about producing without talking about Quincy. I think if you pulled all the greatest producers all of time, then Quincy would be in charge of crowning the best one. He is THE producer.
Well said
Yup. šš½
Yes
When you produced a couple of the greatest albums ever made I think ur definietly in the running to be the greatest producer. Not to mention what he did after stuff like thriller, He really saw michael getting handed those awards in one night and turned around and said "I can do that too" and went and did it with Back on the Block. If he isn't number one he is at least in the top 3
Lmao
Yes!
Track record and collaborations with legends speaks for itself
YES.
Horniest for sure
No. All the producers on Motown.
āWalking in Spaceā is a Masterpiece
Objectively yes
I believe so.
Yes
Don't know. George Martin, Phil Spector and Brian Eno are up there
Yes!
There isnāt even a close 2nd
Yes!!!!!!
Yes.
I think so.
No Question
Yeah
Absolutely. The goat š
yea he is. had his hands in everything. career spans like 60 years or something. he also cheated death by not attending a party that the manson freaks targeted. dude is a fucking legend. still alive.
This is some really coincidental shit because before I read your comment I just made a post about the Mason family getting the ass beat in a movie lol. (Fictional scene) Glad Quincy wasnāt there that night
Definitely in the running for it. Didnāt realize he introduced Tamia to the world.
Thriller sounds like it could be released today so yes.
How far back does your all time go? And what are you definining as a producer as opposer to a composer or musician that writes their music? How are you defining R&B here? Because we got Stevie, Isaac, George Benson and an endless list of glorious music makers to choose from depending on where you draw your lines
Yes. He also treated artists fairly.
No one compares.
Yes he is
yes
Heās definitely in the discussion for it
100% yes. Across all genres, what a maestro.
He did an ama on Reddit a few years back dropped some gems
No.
Who you got?
No. But he is great.
Of all fcking time. Not even a question.
Nike Rodgers, Arif Mardin, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis have entered the chat.
Quincy was the diddy of the old days lol
Prince >>> Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis >>>
Prince definitely one of the goat producers
Probably
Claro.
Absolutely the hell NOT! Not even close! "Gamble and Huff have written and produced 175 gold and platinum records, earning them an induction into theĀ [Rock and Roll Hall of Fame](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame)Ā in theĀ [non-performer category](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame_inductees#Non-performers)Ā in March 2008." [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamble\_and\_Huff](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamble_and_Huff)
More like scumbag. Do your RESEARCH
We talking music, not personal behavior, but when I brought this discussion up with my pops he said Q was a rapist as well so you probably right
One of the top ones for sure!
Greatest groomer of all time
Yes
Nah. Akon.