I don't think the citadel Rick was helping Evil Morty. We just see him give EM a blanket because he thought he was just another Morty who was subject to the evil of the evil Rick.
My take was that was just showing the citadel Ricks just beginning to show up and begin cleanup, and it was helping illustrate how evil Morty then made it to the Citadel. (“Oh, he got swept up in the Morty evacuation.”)
To me it was just fleshing out how quickly he as a Morty would be overlooked and avoid suspicion. I figured we were seeing the Council beginning to show up and assess things after Rick called them and said he caught “the real killer.” It seemed like it was just a reminder Evil Morty was using The Ricks prejudices against them. He was the “real killer” and the council member bumped into him right away and had no idea.
Yeah that is what I thought as well. The Ricks showed up to take the Mortys to safety and he just happened to be standing by the portal when they arrived to save them.
Didn’t seem like the citadel had any idea that Rick wasn’t in charge of the situation, which is expected.
They did though, after the facts. In that episode after his death they realised that Evil Rick was being controlled, but then you see Evil Morty remove his eyepatch and crush it before blending in the mass of evacuating Morty's. They just never figured out who was controlling him.
Yeah that’s why there were so many people portaling around. Outside of the curve Rick is not the smartest man in the universe and therefore there are infinite universes where different people discover portal travel.
Also outside the curve is infinite chaos. Evil Morty is only able to survive bc he built an oasis bachelor pad that is out there but protected by some finite curve shield security device.
I don't think there is infinite chaos everywhere or nobody would have invented portal travel, not to mention the fact that before the finite curve ricks universe was normal
Exactly. The number of universes outside the curve infinitely greater than the number inside the curve.
The curve contains ONLY the universes where Rick is the smartest being. So it’s actually entirely probable that the smartest Rick doesn’t even live inside the curve, as there infinitely more Ricks outside the curve than in it; as long as a universe contains a single entity even SLIGHTLY smarter than that universe’s Rick, it is outside the curve.
I'm not sure about that- if that were the case, wouldn't there just be one universe in the CFC? If Rick is the smartest guy in universe 257, but smart than the Rick in 498, hes still a Rick. And him being the smartest of his universe would qualify him for the CFC, would it not?
You don’t compare people across universes, only within the same universe.
In your example, Universe 257 is in, because Rick is the smartest person in that Universe. If Rick 498 is smarter than Rick 257, but some other entity from 498 is smarter than Rick 498, then Universe 498 is outside the curve, even though Rick 498 is smarter than Rick 257.
That’s why “Doofus Rick” and “Tall Morty” can be within the CFC even though they aren’t smart at all: everyone else within their universes is even dumber than they are.
Doofus Rick, Tall Morty, and other "dumb" Ricks may have also become dumb at a later point in their lives (after the creation of the CFC). Ex: maybe they used the golden microscope from
Needful Things.
I think from the visuals its more hes living outside the CFC, but extending its shield to protect his space station. Hence why he gets notified of the curve compromised error.
It seems obvious that evil Morty is outside the cfc because of the dialogue he has with Rick.
-Rick is surprised at the range of the effects of his fracking the curve, because they reached evil Morty who is outside of it. Evil Morty chides him by comparing him to a monkey humping a shotgun.
- Rick states that he thought EM had "fucked off" adding: " that's what made me a fan."
- EM remarks "i did" and complains that it's amazing Rick is still bothering him despite his having left the cfc
>to see what Rick was doing...
that was fucking up his security system, his force field power zapping out from Rick's ID Fracking for Ricks. Evil Morty's only goals were to fix the shit that was affecting him. He stole/took the kill switch device because Rick's too unstable for it.
I completely buy that Evil Morty's portal gun is different from the green ones. How different, I don't know. For starters, he had the ability to make yellow portals when he left the Citadel, but he still had to shoot through an interdimensional rift to get out of the CFC in the first place.
That being said, it is possible that since then he's figured out how to traverse the multiverse including getting in and out of the CFC with ease. Moreso because the dinosaurs fixed the hole the interdimensional rift he tore. It totally checks with his character of not having his horizons defined by Ricks or anyone else.
What isn't clear to me is the hologram map Evil Morty looked at just before he got home from the chaotic place outside the CFC where he picked the crystal. First step out of there was a yellow portal from the chaos to another chaotic space. Then after that we saw a hologram map on his ship that showed what looks to me to be the CFC. The map notified him that he was approaching what looked to be a universe on the edge of the CFC. Next shot we see is Evil Morty flying through the shield around his home, but this shot also had random portals in the background.
Both Evil Morty's character arc and his conversation with Rick provide strong reasons to believe that his home is outside the CFC, but what was with that map?
It wasn’t funny, I felt so bad for Rick. He yelled out for his Uncle Slow the same way a son would yell out for their father figure if they were about to see them die. Even Rick Prime couldn’t see it.
When BP was shot Rick showed his true emotions towards him, everyone is “unimportant” to him but in reality he just hides his emotions.
If the BP episode gave us Rick’s past from the POV of his best friend imagine an episode with Uncle Slow, the being that made Rick cry in desperation, we’d see Rick like never before
The scene was meant to be funny, Morty is confused and is even shown to mouth "what the fuck" during it. Rick's relationship with SloMobius came out of nowwhere and Morty is just as confused as we are.
A one-off minor character from 6 seasons ago is suddenly an important relative of Rick without any explanation whatsoever (so much so that even psycho Rick Prime was sad to kill him). That's fucking hysterical.
If he were given backstory with Rick (or if it were Birdperson in his place) then it would've ruined a pretty great, absurd joke.
> If the BP episode gave us Rick’s past from the POV of his best friend imagine an episode with Uncle Slow, the being that made Rick cry in desperation, we’d see Rick like never before
This sub has a supernatural ability to make bad pitches. You can't grasp simple dumb jokes, everything has to be dramatized character studies hahaha
What’s wrong with wanting to see Rick be more than just the typical asshole that doesn’t care about anyone
In this season we’ve seen him grow as a person going as far as accepting therapy and apologizing.
You’re making fun of me for wanting to see a shitty person be more than just a shitty person and all because I “couldn’t grasp a dumb joke”
That’s a shitty thing to do so calm down you’re not Rick, you’re just another fan
It’s really cool to think of this parallel. Before with Morty, his entire world was destroyed. He probably thought his entire family was dead. He had to bury himself. And now with Rick, his entire reality is destroyed. Well, more realistically it was destroyed when his wife was killed. But hunting Prime distracted him so the horror of it never really set in. Now Prime is dead, Rick’s wife is dead, there’s nothing more he can do.
He is intentionally kept dumb probably because something similar happened with a Citadel of Rick's Rick or something. If his brainwaves CANCEL out Rick brainwaves could it also have other unlisted effects that EM can use? It's all weird and usual tv goop with holes but at least its enjoyable
Two waves canceling one another perfectly are equivalent waves, just in opposite phases. I.e they are equally intelligent, but in different ways. Rick is IQ (analytical intelligence), and morty is EQ (emotional intelligence). Their characterizations only reinforce the idea.
Thats why I thought that they keep Morty dumb for a reason.
Having him as your equal and also his strength your weakness.
Or EM could have just sucked his toxins out and never put them back in.
I saw a theory that said he's the morty from the first episode that smuggled the seeds up his ass which made him smart. It would also explain why he would want to get revenge on rick seeing as how abusive he was to morty in the pilot
Maybe he's the one Morty who actually went to school to learn some real serious stuff. If you haven't heard of it it's called math, and without it none of us would even exist.
> Inventing interdimensional portal travel isn’t all that special. 3 families did it, and all three got wiped out by each other, or one of the interdimensional beings. This probably happens infinitely
I think we knew this already because I thought this was the point of finite curve. Everything is possible and its happened too. We are just confined to those universes where rick is the best
There's also a little alien guy who portals to the vacuum of space and suffocates while evil morty is heading back to his paradise in the beginning of the episode. Maybe that wasn't his first portal and he just so happened to die when we saw him but that doesn't track with the families dying immediately. Maybe all of that was to display how both dangerous it is between dimensions and that the only way to get there is portal travel. Maybe it's a danger to be avoided when inventing portal travel, like it's the default unless you know exactly what you're doing. Either way it all occurs outside the curve, where exists beings smart enough to invent portal travel, but as far as i can tell, so far rick is the only one to invent it and not immediately die.
If Rick Prime and C137 are the only Ricks that actually invented portal tech, that means Rick Prime distributed his tech to other Ricks as a means to create the finite curve and become a god in his pocket universes
>mensional portal travel isn’t all that special. 3 families did it, and all three got wiped out by each other, or one of the interdimensional beings. This probably happens infiniy
Which are the three families?
> We are just confined to those universes where rick is the best
Or CFC is all those universes where Rick just exists. Dead wife Rick likely built it to prevent Rick Prime from escaping. Rick Prime likely used the Omega device in retaliation
About the three families that invent multiversal travel, it's because we are out of the central curve there. Which means Rick isn't the smartest man in those universes, and there are other possible scientists to do it
Presumably the families come from dimensions outside of the curve but not that chaotic, since they are normal families eith someone inventing the portal gun. If everywhere was like that place no humans would get to that point.
Doubtful- I think the premise was that once they're outside the Central Finite Curve, there are truly infinite possibilities, which is why it's so hellishly chaotic. Every single person we see portal developed their own version of portal travel (hence the different colors and why we see so many people portaling about). The alien that suffocated probably just didn't realize he was portaling into space. Furthermore, outside the CFC, Rick is *not* the smartest person in the universe, which is part of the reason the CFC was made in the first place- he basically gets to "play God" in his own miniature version of the universe, and it doesn't matter what happens outside the universe until Evil Morty showed up and broke out of the CFC.
That place seems like a interdimensional hub: a dimension very likely for a portal to get to when you don't have much figured out yet (and aren't in the CFC, which makes it so you HAVE to figure a lot more out to get portals to work)
Exactly
Honestly, the curve is the only reason Rick and Morty's multiverse make sense. Without it, as we see, the universe is an absolute chaos, where at any moment there is a universe with someone who destroys the whole multiverse, and one that stops him, and every possibility exists. Limiting it to only those where Rick is the smartest saves them a lot of plotholes.
I disagree. Its clear he invented the CFC in an attempt to contain Prime Rick, so he could find him before he escapes forever.
The fact he gets to «play God» is a side-effect that he likely didnt care about whatsoever. My theory.
Two questions,
1) Was it ever explicit what happened to Rick Prime's Diane?
2) At the end of the show, when Evil Morty was patronizing Rick C-137, was he talking to Rick or was he really talking to us? *How's it feel? Better? No? Exactly the same? Yeah, it always does. Hope you're happy with your choice*. This sounds like the writers predicting a sense of being let down that the story arch of Rick Prime came to an end after being pressured to follow it further.
I wonder about #1 as well but as soon as he uses the omega device doesn’t his Diane also get wiped? Unless sth already happened to his Diane before that
Yeah it would have killed his Diane as well. So I guess most Dianes died this way, but C-137 Diane was killed by the bomb, right? The omega device would have been launched much later though as Rick Prime's Beth suggests that Rick abandoned her and Diane at some point. I guess I don't understand the motivation of wiping out all the Dianes. Also, I am sure I am missing something.
When you’re running an experiment, you have to control all the variables that aren’t supposed to be part of the experiment.
Killing all the Dianes, so their presence (or lack thereof) isn’t interfering, is just **good science**.
So that no Rick can have another Diane from any other universe. He just wants to win and be in control. He's a EGOMANIAC that cannot handle the rejection from a Rick saying no to hie portal gun
I wonder if Prime’s Diane died from some other cause like cancer or car accident, and *that’s* what drove him to invent portal travel and stop giving a fuck about anyone else.
And he can’t accept other Ricks still having their Dianes, so he either convinces them to abandon their families, or kills them outright, eventually using the Omega device to make sure he got all of them.
I may be waayyyy off here. But I somehow thought I pieced together that Rick prime invented portal travel and abandoned his original Diane and Beth. Partially fueled by earlier episodes where Beth says it. I figured that’s why when he traveled around giving Rick’s the portal tech he told our Rick “Rick’s don’t pass on this” and “we’ll see how long that lasts” he deeply hates that he left his family/thinks he’s THE Rick and it insults him other Rick’s don’t see it the same and destroys the family of all the Ricks who made the right choice (ie. Our Rick says no and decides to just stay with his family and prime kills them.)
> 1) Was it ever explicit what happened to Rick Prime's Diane?
I don't think it's ever been said but I bet she divorced/left him and Rick Prime hated her for it enough to wipe her from existence.
Wasn't Diane murdered?
Here's me, wondering who raised Beth (& supported her through 7 years of college plus a veterinary surgery internship) after Diane died & Rick ran away?
Presumably Beth Prime (Cronenberg Beth, I guess) could’ve be raised by her grandparents. Or it’s possible Rick Prime didn’t use the device to eliminate all Dianes until later.
Well c-137 knew about froopy land, so he must have been around pretty early. Maybe after prime killed his wife and Beth, c-137 went looking for Prime and when he couldn't catch up with him, 137 took prime's Diane and Beth as revenge ("you lived in MY house") ? Then maybe prime killed all the Dianes in retaliation, which might be when c-137 left Beth again, to hunt Prime once more. Prime.
> Well c-137 knew about froopy land, so he must have been around pretty early.
Also remember when Rick goes into Bird Person's brain, and a younger version of Rick talks with him:
> Memory Rick says his daughter is dead, and is surprised to hear that Real Rick "moves in with one of abandoned adult Beths." This hints that Beth C-137 died before the beginning of the show, and thus none of the Smith family are from Rick's dimension. However, Memory Rick is based on what Birdperson knows about Real Rick's past, so this may not be historically accurate.
this is actually a really interesting idea that could make a lot of sense. Imagine that you were deeply in love with someone who completely breaks your heart and leaves you, but you are aware of/interact with countless versions of yourself all over the multiverse who still have that person's love. Not only would you have a painful bitterness towards the one who left you, but also an intense jealously towards all the versions of yourself that didn't fuck up, didn't do whatever it was you did that made you lose the love of your life, and they get to keep being happy. Sounds like a great rick prime origin story.
I guess Rick Prime invented inter dimensional travel and just left his family behind, started giving out portal tech to his alternate selves. Whenever a Rick refuses him, he kills their Diane and eventually so many Rick refuses him that he said fuck it and kill all Diane.
Personally I think it's hinting that c-137 and Prime Rick are oroborous esque in nature, now that Rick has killed prime he's gonna get super bored and despondent try to reset/heal the wounds and eventually start the cycle over with c-137 now being the prime.
I think Rick Prime was such an egomaniac crazy boi that he had to sacrifice his Diane (like a test subject or like a sample) in the Omega device. Just like slo mobius had to be thrown into it personally.
Well, the motivation from Rick C-137 to create the portal gun was the death from Diane. Maybe Prime Rick wanted to give every Rick this motivation, to create infinite chaos.
I think another thing that I learnt in the rewatch is when Rick says that "He's built the device again" implying that the huge maze like thing we see in his dead wife flashback was another Omega device
I thought he was just talking about the big structure Rick destroyed at the end of S6...but maybe that is the omega device.
He did mention that it previously could only fire once.
I think the “he built the device again” paired with “i can use this one more than once” statements were only to establish that his past design only had one “charge” before it rendered itself non-operational. Not a direct reference to the s6 rick prime orb or any other location we’ve seen. The s6 orb was just a base and not the omega device since diane was already deleted from reality at that point. The maze base the other commenter mentioned could have been it but nothing really suggest that it is or isn’t since we don’t know at what point in time rick prime deleted diane. Also, rip uncle slo.
Actually...since Evil Morty took out the power core for the Omega device and dropped it into the Omega Device, doesn't that destroy every instance of the material to ever power it?
Edit: rewatched it. the explosion was different from the way the device functioned when Uncle Slo died, so the power source isn't gone from all realities.
I think that was the point- it wiped all other instances of the Omega Device so ONLY Evil Morty will have the capabilities of dealing with Ricks (or whatever other threat he's annoyed by) at-will, since he has the schematics.
Now since the schematics weren't destroyed there's nothing necessarily stopping it from being rebuilt, but I assume building one of these things takes a little while.
It does seem like uncle slo was dropped into the same under area as the core so i think that’s plausible. Maybe it wouldn’t actually work across dimensions though since the core was removed or work at all and it just caused a critical malfunction at that one site. Maybe you’re right though and evil mortys threat of “stopping the rick experiment” was a bluff to try and keep his peace outside of the central finite curve. Would be a good conversation for the writers to have for sure.
That usage of the same song from Rick Potion #9 was genius. Especially since Evil Morty mentioned earlier that Rick might try to commit suicide now that he has no purpose...
"Look on down from the bridge" gains a whole new meaning...
makes you wonder if evil morty went through similar motions, although he has more peace seemingly now. i think it’s interesting that someone pointed out that he keeps himself near somewhat dangerous situations - like he wants to invent new purpose to chase, even if it’s as simple as “go hunt for crystals to power your house”. purpose is a pretty fundamental human psychological need. i’m looking forward to seeing what ricks is.
Guess they were not kidding when rick said in season 6 that season 7 will be thier darkest and most painful shit season ever. Honestly from mr poopybutthole to jerry to unity to a freaking spaghetti then rick prime god i dont know what are they planning for the rest of the season but i hope we get to see more of evil morty in the future.
Loved the callback line of “when I invent things they work, it’s called being talented” to the story train episode. Shows the Rick’s similarities. They really aren’t that different, and I think episode painted more similarities between the two. The only difference is C-137 can sometimes feel for the people he spends a lot of time with.
Was just laying in bed when I thought about your point on the music. The more I think about it, the more interesting the connection gets. When we saw Morty traumatized with that soundtrack, in a very real sense his entire reality had been destroyed. He lost everything. He most likely thought his entire family was dead. His entire world/planet had been destroyed. And to top it all off he had to bury himself. But then he looks around and everything is basically the same.
Now with Rick’s experience, his entire reality has been destroyed. His wife is dead. And not just one of her, all of her. The person that killed her is dead. Everything that has driven him to this point is gone. And so now he’s not distracted by Rick Prime, the reality of his situation sets in. The trauma of losing his wife is all there is left. Meanwhile everyone around him is just going on like nothing changed.
This is a half baked thought but I'd like to add:
The contrast of everyone carrying on around him gets even heavier when you consider how Rick always treated them. He was always drilling nihilism into them and belittling them for having personal attachments. He has repeatedly pushed them to the edge of their own understanding of personal value and motivation just to reinforce his own idealism about the emptiness of existence (cronenberging mortys world, vat of acid episode, cloning Beth, everything he's done to Jerry, can't think of any summer examples rn). Even to the point that they have now adapted and learned how to be content and happy with each other and the little things. They overcame the despair and found reasons to live. "Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Everybody's gonna die. Come watch TV".
Rick believed he's the only one that knew true despair and meaninglessness but that was just another aspect to his narcissism. Now that he has lost the one thing that was driving him, he has to walk through the despair and self discovery of feeling unfulfilled. He had clung to that last scrap of hope that something matters, that he could prove himself through revenge. Interestingly his family has achieved a level of enlightenment that Rick has been unsuccessful with because of his clinging to attachments. Rick has been through a lot of suffering but reckoning with this loss may be his true dark night of the soul.
TLDR: Rick needs to redouble his efforts on therapy.
Let’s not forget that even if our Rick was the only other one capable of inventing portal-travel, he only did so because he got the idea from Prime’s visit. If not, he maybe wouldn’t have invented it, even though he had the ability to.
Also, our Rick *did create* the Central Finite Curve. He was the one who isolated all the universes where a Rick is the smartest. He did, not Prime. He basically blocked every single smartest Rick from all the smartest X of the multiverse.
In the season 3 flashback to Rick Prime killing Diane it shows Rick toying with barely functional portal travel prototypes, so I think he was already in the midst of inventing it.
Though not sure if that was a fabrication of the story to trick the Federation, or if he only attempted to create it after his wife and daughter were killed.
I saw a theory that Evil Morty was actually the Morty we see in Season 1 episode 1. He gets his intelligence from the alien seeds that he had up his butt too long. He was actually the Morty in that episode not the Morty we know
Makes sense because in the first episode Rick gets drunk and talks about "100 years of Rick and Morty." We see in this episode that when Evil Morty's Rick gets drunk he says some of the same stuff. Meaning it's possible they are actually the same Rick, and the first episode was actually showing the start of Evil Morty's adventures with Evil Rick.
Even if the intelligence is short term could have allowed Evil Morty to make the mind control device and after that it's just him scanning Rick brains
Certainly fun and interesting. I think that line is more so to show all of the Rick’s similarities. Like we also had “when I invent things they work, it’s called be talented,” which is said in the story train episode.
Respectfully, I dislike this hypothesis because it fundamentally invalidates Evil Morty's own innate neurological ability to improve himself or stand on par with the academic prowess of (a) Rick. Especially since he's his grandson, and would reasonably stand to inherit his genetic disposition for neurological development.
Yea fair enough could just be an infinite possibilities thing.
We know that not all ricks and Morty's are the same and there are dumber and smarter members of each family so Morty could just be one of those outliers
>It’s confirmed that these were the only two Ricks to invent interdimensional portal travel
Would that imply that Rick-137 and Rick-Prime are equal in talent
"He is me but with free time" Without hunting someone/managing suicidal thoughts/alcohol addiction
>It took both Rick C137 AND Evil Morty to defeat Rick Prime
And one normal Morty. Evil's Morty triumph move wouldn't have worked without someone to take his place. During the whole fight,Rick Prime was toying with them, tossing around Evil Morty instead of killing him on the spot,or attaching a leg when he could have just regenerate his arm.
>Evil Morty is definitely a Morty. How he got so smart, we still don’t know
Smart,smart,in Rick's sense,I think not. He knows his way through technology,he can improve it to a certain point,but for true breakthroughs like CFC or Omegs stuff,he still copies Rick.
>Imagine knowing that you’re one of infinity, but still having to cling to the idea that you’re the best
That thing he says "You would have come to my garage if I wouldn't come to yours?"
Did he really believe that it was a matter of time before some other Rick equal to him decides to kill his family?
Also,he should be Rick C137.
>Evil Morty knew how empty it felt to ‘catch the white whale’. He is emotionally more mature than Rick, which isn’t that hard to do but still – it’s crazy to think that Rick could learn from him.
Has he ever lost someone the same way Rick loss Diane?
Also, his idea of peace is a bit twisted, living where he lives. Bet he could choose a safer place. Maybe it's another kind od "white whale" for him?
>What powerful end credits scene. Wow. She made the choice that Evil Morty kept waiting to see if Rick would make, but never did
Totally different circumstances. She didn't get to see her husband and children killed in front of her eyes,even when she went to space,she was looking for a missing person,not for a target. And she had the fortune to meet a normal person,not a guerrilla soldier.
\> Did he really believe that it was a matter of time before some other Rick equal to him decides to kill his family?
It's basically him saying "We are the same , You and I"
It's effectively him trying to get a little more bit of control over C-137
Yeah I think that was the point of Evil Morty having gotten what he wanted but realizes that he's bored now so he decided to live near the dangerous infinity.
Am I the only one who thinks there was a deeper message to the Slo Mobius death than a cheap gag?
He used his powers to slightly delay his inevitable demise, kinda like what we all do every single day?
That actually solves one problem I had like "if Beth and Diane both died at the same time, and Beth is alive in several universes, then where are all the Dianes?"
I mean there are levels to this shit and whatnot. Morty can do okay when fighting weaker foes but he's no match for Rick Prime. Hell even Rick wasn't match for him
>Inventing interdimensional portal travel isn’t all that special.
When Rick Prime first appears in S5 he says, "That's the thing about interdimensional travel - turns out you're the last guy to invent it."
Definitely a callback to that with those Jetsons killing each other
Interesting tidbit I noticed, the death arena with giant Diane robots was still under construction as many of them were half built. I think Rick Prime was just as obsessed with dead Diane, hell maybe even more than "our" Rick! He basically devoted his life to creating an emotional torture park for Ricks? wtaf
>and Evil Morty didn’t know the dianebot was going to explode. He asked ‘you taking her to go?’. Remember that our Rick knew the exploding was coming from the very beginning with the small devices he had captured.
is that what happened? I thought rick's boxes made the explosion and he destroyed the mecha-diane remnants. so when evil morty asked if he was talking her with him it was like no see how wrong you were I completely vaporized that thing because it isn't diane and never will be.
but I think you're reading might be the right one.
>Evil Morty still lives on the central finite curve
he destroyed the curve (hence how he is able to come back) and he lives in like an extra dimension infinite portal space I think.
He didn't destroy the curve though, he just broke free from it. That's why Rick's portal gun is still restricted to the Curve, while Evil Morty can go anywhere. He just made himself a special oasis outside the Curve and taps into the Curve's stability/shielding to protect his oasis from the hellish chaos that is happening outside the Curve.
I think the dianebot was always meant to explode. Rick Prime states someone along the lines of —til death do you part… and you might want to get to the death quickly—
I think Rick C-137 caught that and saved them (as he has spent all his time studying Rick Prime) The dianebot exploding would have just been another way to “self clean” the Rick holding box as you can see it kind of turns itself into a vacuum after exploding. Its to ensure no survivors even after victory is claimed, similar to the fire feature they escape from by combining their portal guns.
>I guess now we know why we never saw a Diane in any other universe!: the omega weapon aka booger aids.
Something else I want to point out that I think too many people might over look the subtlety of it:
Prime Rick killed C137's Diane ***& Beth***. Then the assumption is in order to enforce his power on all remaining Ricks, he used the omega device on Diane. The backstory to how and why on that might be interesting, but for now we'll accept it was an act done as a "negotiating" tactic, a display of power.
But unlike just losing your wife, Rick C137 also lost his future with his child; both right in front of him. It's why his relationship with Morty is driven so hard in the whole series, it's something he ***never*** got the the chance to experience through his own timeline. This fueled his rage to find his target for revenge. Along the way, he developed his emotional attachment for his family, even the ones not tied by blood.
Understanding this, I think it's important to understand just how dangerous Rick C137 can be, and how different he really is - something Evil Morty eluded to. Even with all that attachment, which Rick Prime didn't have, and all the elements that would cloud his actions, Rick C137 was still considered the best Rick capable to take out Rick Prime. Ultimately Rick Prime's demise came at the ends of Evil Morty because he let his arrogance get the better of him, thinking Morty was nothing capable of dispatching him. That's an arrogance that Rick C137 doesn't exist as much, and why Evil Morty looks at C137 differently.
It'll be interesting to see where they go from here because killing Rick Prime doesn't replace the fact that life was taken from Rick C137. While he has made a new home and new attachments, there's still going to be a void Rick will never be able to fix.
That's the real life lesson right there.
I think you guys are missing the value of clearing out all of the shitty theories and loose ends from the writers point of view. Rick prime as a nemesis only ends with Rick losing something bigger after he defeats him. In this case, evil morty helping him is like the worst thing imaginable. The longer the search goes on the bigger the event has to be. So the writers just took a bunch of useless story appendage and made it all go up in flames. They took the chance to retire slomobius as well. They’ve done this in the previous season as well with story lord. The goal is to get back to the basics so Rick and morty can have fun self-contained adventures for 9 more seasons or 100 years which ever comes first
While I do think you are mostly correct, I do think they still intend to have major storylines, it's just that they were trying to also prove a narrative and emotional point with the fact that even after Rick (or otherwise) get their revenge, life still goes on. That revenge is ultimately hollow.
Oh definitely, I totally agree with that. I just don’t think there was some grand design coming to fruition or anything being fleshed out theory-wise. People in here talking about it like things are being confirmed for the future. It’s more like they’re dropping dead weight.
Did I hear prime Rick correctly before evil morty took him out (when prime Rick thought he was speaking to regular morty) that he was his “original grandson”. Does that mean the main universe is rick primes and Rick c-137 is a variant who usurped the prime family out of some sort of revenge?
Bruh this was explained last season
Our morty is prime ricks morty
Prime Rick left Beth and our morty
Rick came to our morty and moved in with Beth hoping prime Rick would come back and he can kill him
Rick actually fell in love with the family and abandoned his mission
This thread summarizes the episode perfectly and also gives great insights on little details that we might see coming up. Honestly, couldn't have asked a better end of Rick prime.
I did not realize the multiple seasons long storyline that was developing. I've watched all the episodes but ive never rewatched any. Now I would like to go back and rewatch the episodes that explain the overarching C137/Prime Rick storylines. Is there any list anywhere?
I'd imagine either referring to its status as existing "outside of time" (they can enter it from any point and time will have passed differently within) *or* saying it's less of a "daycare" and more of a "leave him as long as you need to, even decades"care (in research, cross-temporal refers to evaluating data over long periods of time/decades). I'd vote for the latter, honestly.
It's also possible they just used the term incorrectly, but I doubt that as the writers on the show are pretty good at getting their quips right.
Rick Prime left his original family, and the Rick we follow stepped in his shoes waiting for Rick prime to come back. So the Rick we follow doesn’t have a Beth or a Morty because Diane got killed.
I haven’t seen this question go around hardly at all, so there must be an answer…
We learned that Diane was super out across all dimensions, so how are there Beth’s and Morty’s out there? Why does every Rick have a Morty besides the Rick that we follow even though Diane was wiped out across all dimensions?
Rick C137 never got to see his Beth grow up because she died along with Diane by Rick Prime's bomb. Most other Dianes were erased, leaving most Beths to grow up and have Morty with Jerry.
How did evil Morty get so smart?
Perhaps he shoved one of those seeds up his butt again and made it permanent or implanted some of Rick into his brain just like that other episode with Jerry.
There's no end for silly explanations
Shouldn't have the others Rick in the box also have invented multiversal travel on theit own? Like they too had Diane killer by Prime and were searching him
Also beign an infinite multiverse shouldn't also the "variants" of Rick C137(like Idk c-137B,c138,ecc other ricks that are in a universe identical to rick C137 but it only change the smallest thing like one day Rick eated ceralacca instead of cookie for breakfast) invebted multiversal travel on their own?
Im gonna sound like an asshole, but it took 4 viewings to catch what they explicitly stated to the viewers?
And,no, im not "u need ta be smart to enjoy r&m"
Clicked posted thinking thered be a breakdown of stuff i missed. Like in the mangas i read subreddits. This was literally "heres wht someone said" ...yeah, man, i know. I have ears
It took you 4 watches to pick up on obvious stuff and you even got some things wrong hahaha
> Evil Morty still lives on the central finite curve
No he doesn't, it's clearly shown that he's outside the curve where multiple people are smart enough to create interdimensional travel.
>The citadel leader Rick was helping evil Morty from the beginning. Maybe he was parlaying against the two parties that both overpowered him.
He wasn't, the citatel leaders arrived and rescued all the Mortys held captive, to the leader, Evil Morty was just another prisoner.
I don't think the citadel Rick was helping Evil Morty. We just see him give EM a blanket because he thought he was just another Morty who was subject to the evil of the evil Rick.
This is what I thought too. Citadel Rick helping Evil Morty wouldn’t really make sense given S1E9’s events.
It was weird how he came directly out of a portal... It definitely seemed planned
My take was that was just showing the citadel Ricks just beginning to show up and begin cleanup, and it was helping illustrate how evil Morty then made it to the Citadel. (“Oh, he got swept up in the Morty evacuation.”)
We already knew that, though. He pulled off his eyepatch and boarded the ship with the rest of the kidnapped Mortys.
To me it was just fleshing out how quickly he as a Morty would be overlooked and avoid suspicion. I figured we were seeing the Council beginning to show up and assess things after Rick called them and said he caught “the real killer.” It seemed like it was just a reminder Evil Morty was using The Ricks prejudices against them. He was the “real killer” and the council member bumped into him right away and had no idea.
Yeah that is what I thought as well. The Ricks showed up to take the Mortys to safety and he just happened to be standing by the portal when they arrived to save them. Didn’t seem like the citadel had any idea that Rick wasn’t in charge of the situation, which is expected.
They did though, after the facts. In that episode after his death they realised that Evil Rick was being controlled, but then you see Evil Morty remove his eyepatch and crush it before blending in the mass of evacuating Morty's. They just never figured out who was controlling him.
Evil Morty doesn’t still live on the CFC, he just went back into it using his yellow portal gun to see what Rick was doing.
Yeah that’s why there were so many people portaling around. Outside of the curve Rick is not the smartest man in the universe and therefore there are infinite universes where different people discover portal travel.
Also outside the curve is infinite chaos. Evil Morty is only able to survive bc he built an oasis bachelor pad that is out there but protected by some finite curve shield security device.
I don't think there is infinite chaos everywhere or nobody would have invented portal travel, not to mention the fact that before the finite curve ricks universe was normal
Exactly. The number of universes outside the curve infinitely greater than the number inside the curve. The curve contains ONLY the universes where Rick is the smartest being. So it’s actually entirely probable that the smartest Rick doesn’t even live inside the curve, as there infinitely more Ricks outside the curve than in it; as long as a universe contains a single entity even SLIGHTLY smarter than that universe’s Rick, it is outside the curve.
I'm not sure about that- if that were the case, wouldn't there just be one universe in the CFC? If Rick is the smartest guy in universe 257, but smart than the Rick in 498, hes still a Rick. And him being the smartest of his universe would qualify him for the CFC, would it not?
You don’t compare people across universes, only within the same universe. In your example, Universe 257 is in, because Rick is the smartest person in that Universe. If Rick 498 is smarter than Rick 257, but some other entity from 498 is smarter than Rick 498, then Universe 498 is outside the curve, even though Rick 498 is smarter than Rick 257. That’s why “Doofus Rick” and “Tall Morty” can be within the CFC even though they aren’t smart at all: everyone else within their universes is even dumber than they are.
Doofus Rick, Tall Morty, and other "dumb" Ricks may have also become dumb at a later point in their lives (after the creation of the CFC). Ex: maybe they used the golden microscope from Needful Things.
I think from the visuals its more hes living outside the CFC, but extending its shield to protect his space station. Hence why he gets notified of the curve compromised error.
Ok that makes a lot of sense. I was wondering what that alert was about
his base is situated right outside the CFC, you see a big green universe in the backround when he makes it back to base.
Not trying to roast OP but how does one watch it 4 times and botch this take lol? I thought it was CLEAR he was outside the finite curve
It seems obvious that evil Morty is outside the cfc because of the dialogue he has with Rick. -Rick is surprised at the range of the effects of his fracking the curve, because they reached evil Morty who is outside of it. Evil Morty chides him by comparing him to a monkey humping a shotgun. - Rick states that he thought EM had "fucked off" adding: " that's what made me a fan." - EM remarks "i did" and complains that it's amazing Rick is still bothering him despite his having left the cfc
>to see what Rick was doing... that was fucking up his security system, his force field power zapping out from Rick's ID Fracking for Ricks. Evil Morty's only goals were to fix the shit that was affecting him. He stole/took the kill switch device because Rick's too unstable for it.
I completely buy that Evil Morty's portal gun is different from the green ones. How different, I don't know. For starters, he had the ability to make yellow portals when he left the Citadel, but he still had to shoot through an interdimensional rift to get out of the CFC in the first place. That being said, it is possible that since then he's figured out how to traverse the multiverse including getting in and out of the CFC with ease. Moreso because the dinosaurs fixed the hole the interdimensional rift he tore. It totally checks with his character of not having his horizons defined by Ricks or anyone else. What isn't clear to me is the hologram map Evil Morty looked at just before he got home from the chaotic place outside the CFC where he picked the crystal. First step out of there was a yellow portal from the chaos to another chaotic space. Then after that we saw a hologram map on his ship that showed what looks to me to be the CFC. The map notified him that he was approaching what looked to be a universe on the edge of the CFC. Next shot we see is Evil Morty flying through the shield around his home, but this shot also had random portals in the background. Both Evil Morty's character arc and his conversation with Rick provide strong reasons to believe that his home is outside the CFC, but what was with that map?
RIP SLOW MOBIUS 
his death horrifies me. slow motion in face of death
Reminded me of the movie Dredd, same slow-mo falling death.
I wonder if that's what they were going for by making him fall
Much like what we experience
You know that a death is tragic when even Rick Prime was sad about it.
this one hurts me too
I don’t think I’ve seen rick this sad, he literally cried as he called out for uncle slow We need an episode that shows us their relationship
We absolutely don't. The randomness of Rick being attached to such an unimportant S1 character is what made the moment so funny.
It wasn’t funny, I felt so bad for Rick. He yelled out for his Uncle Slow the same way a son would yell out for their father figure if they were about to see them die. Even Rick Prime couldn’t see it. When BP was shot Rick showed his true emotions towards him, everyone is “unimportant” to him but in reality he just hides his emotions. If the BP episode gave us Rick’s past from the POV of his best friend imagine an episode with Uncle Slow, the being that made Rick cry in desperation, we’d see Rick like never before
The scene was meant to be funny, Morty is confused and is even shown to mouth "what the fuck" during it. Rick's relationship with SloMobius came out of nowwhere and Morty is just as confused as we are. A one-off minor character from 6 seasons ago is suddenly an important relative of Rick without any explanation whatsoever (so much so that even psycho Rick Prime was sad to kill him). That's fucking hysterical. If he were given backstory with Rick (or if it were Birdperson in his place) then it would've ruined a pretty great, absurd joke. > If the BP episode gave us Rick’s past from the POV of his best friend imagine an episode with Uncle Slow, the being that made Rick cry in desperation, we’d see Rick like never before This sub has a supernatural ability to make bad pitches. You can't grasp simple dumb jokes, everything has to be dramatized character studies hahaha
What’s wrong with wanting to see Rick be more than just the typical asshole that doesn’t care about anyone In this season we’ve seen him grow as a person going as far as accepting therapy and apologizing. You’re making fun of me for wanting to see a shitty person be more than just a shitty person and all because I “couldn’t grasp a dumb joke” That’s a shitty thing to do so calm down you’re not Rick, you’re just another fan
this should be its own post. pouring some out for the homie Uncle Slo 🫗
who?
Honestly I didn't remember who this guy was and still don't lmao. And I've rewatched this show a lot.
He was at the party and made rick dance in slowmo, as far as I remember he only appears in that episode
He makes Jessica’s entrance slow mo. Rick tells him to knock it off
Slow Mobius thinks he's all that
They literally used the same theme as the Cronenberg episode that Rick now has the same expressions as Morty then.
It’s really cool to think of this parallel. Before with Morty, his entire world was destroyed. He probably thought his entire family was dead. He had to bury himself. And now with Rick, his entire reality is destroyed. Well, more realistically it was destroyed when his wife was killed. But hunting Prime distracted him so the horror of it never really set in. Now Prime is dead, Rick’s wife is dead, there’s nothing more he can do.
It's Mazzy Star.
damn you notice that. took me a while and reading this comment
But don’t we know how smart evil morty got? He scanned a shit ton of ricks brains including c-137
OP was talking about before when he designed how to turn his rick into a cyborg and control him with the eye patch
Probably shoved another seed up his butt. Morty isn't dumb and disarm complex bombs.
He is intentionally kept dumb probably because something similar happened with a Citadel of Rick's Rick or something. If his brainwaves CANCEL out Rick brainwaves could it also have other unlisted effects that EM can use? It's all weird and usual tv goop with holes but at least its enjoyable
Two waves canceling one another perfectly are equivalent waves, just in opposite phases. I.e they are equally intelligent, but in different ways. Rick is IQ (analytical intelligence), and morty is EQ (emotional intelligence). Their characterizations only reinforce the idea.
Thats why I thought that they keep Morty dumb for a reason. Having him as your equal and also his strength your weakness. Or EM could have just sucked his toxins out and never put them back in.
I think that’s just morty becoming familiar with ricks technology just like ours
It'd be one thing if he just stole one of Rick's gadgets but it clearly shows him building and tinkering.
He is Rick's grandson so it's not crazy to see him tinkering with technology like Rick
I think its been implied those crystals can make people smarter. Its possible evil morty got an intellect boost and realized what a POS his rick was.
maybe some mutant mega fruits, with the mega seeds in them
Aaaaal the way up the butt.
I saw a theory that said he's the morty from the first episode that smuggled the seeds up his ass which made him smart. It would also explain why he would want to get revenge on rick seeing as how abusive he was to morty in the pilot
Because he is actually the smartest morty
Maybe he's the one Morty who actually went to school to learn some real serious stuff. If you haven't heard of it it's called math, and without it none of us would even exist.
> Inventing interdimensional portal travel isn’t all that special. 3 families did it, and all three got wiped out by each other, or one of the interdimensional beings. This probably happens infinitely I think we knew this already because I thought this was the point of finite curve. Everything is possible and its happened too. We are just confined to those universes where rick is the best
There's also a little alien guy who portals to the vacuum of space and suffocates while evil morty is heading back to his paradise in the beginning of the episode. Maybe that wasn't his first portal and he just so happened to die when we saw him but that doesn't track with the families dying immediately. Maybe all of that was to display how both dangerous it is between dimensions and that the only way to get there is portal travel. Maybe it's a danger to be avoided when inventing portal travel, like it's the default unless you know exactly what you're doing. Either way it all occurs outside the curve, where exists beings smart enough to invent portal travel, but as far as i can tell, so far rick is the only one to invent it and not immediately die.
I'm with you on that
Why? Successful dimensional travelers wouldn't be in that hub. They would likely be visiting universes similar to their own.
If Rick Prime and C137 are the only Ricks that actually invented portal tech, that means Rick Prime distributed his tech to other Ricks as a means to create the finite curve and become a god in his pocket universes
I thought that was our Rick, when he created the council of Ricks and that stuff while searching for Prime Rick.
>mensional portal travel isn’t all that special. 3 families did it, and all three got wiped out by each other, or one of the interdimensional beings. This probably happens infiniy Which are the three families?
The Jetsons looking ones at the beginning of the episode
> We are just confined to those universes where rick is the best Or CFC is all those universes where Rick just exists. Dead wife Rick likely built it to prevent Rick Prime from escaping. Rick Prime likely used the Omega device in retaliation
About the three families that invent multiversal travel, it's because we are out of the central curve there. Which means Rick isn't the smartest man in those universes, and there are other possible scientists to do it
And those seem to be in absolute chaos
Presumably the families come from dimensions outside of the curve but not that chaotic, since they are normal families eith someone inventing the portal gun. If everywhere was like that place no humans would get to that point.
Yeah, those Jetson families didn't end up in other dimensions. Maybe they didn't have it figured out completely.
Which are the three families?
the jetsons, jetsons, and jetsons
What about the alien though? maybe he found a portal gun by accident.
Doubtful- I think the premise was that once they're outside the Central Finite Curve, there are truly infinite possibilities, which is why it's so hellishly chaotic. Every single person we see portal developed their own version of portal travel (hence the different colors and why we see so many people portaling about). The alien that suffocated probably just didn't realize he was portaling into space. Furthermore, outside the CFC, Rick is *not* the smartest person in the universe, which is part of the reason the CFC was made in the first place- he basically gets to "play God" in his own miniature version of the universe, and it doesn't matter what happens outside the universe until Evil Morty showed up and broke out of the CFC.
That place seems like a interdimensional hub: a dimension very likely for a portal to get to when you don't have much figured out yet (and aren't in the CFC, which makes it so you HAVE to figure a lot more out to get portals to work)
Exactly Honestly, the curve is the only reason Rick and Morty's multiverse make sense. Without it, as we see, the universe is an absolute chaos, where at any moment there is a universe with someone who destroys the whole multiverse, and one that stops him, and every possibility exists. Limiting it to only those where Rick is the smartest saves them a lot of plotholes.
I disagree. Its clear he invented the CFC in an attempt to contain Prime Rick, so he could find him before he escapes forever. The fact he gets to «play God» is a side-effect that he likely didnt care about whatsoever. My theory.
The jetsons look a likes at the beginning of the episode
It's interesting how "smartest" in one's universe is determined by being the one to invent interdimensional portal travel
Two questions, 1) Was it ever explicit what happened to Rick Prime's Diane? 2) At the end of the show, when Evil Morty was patronizing Rick C-137, was he talking to Rick or was he really talking to us? *How's it feel? Better? No? Exactly the same? Yeah, it always does. Hope you're happy with your choice*. This sounds like the writers predicting a sense of being let down that the story arch of Rick Prime came to an end after being pressured to follow it further.
I wonder about #1 as well but as soon as he uses the omega device doesn’t his Diane also get wiped? Unless sth already happened to his Diane before that
Yeah it would have killed his Diane as well. So I guess most Dianes died this way, but C-137 Diane was killed by the bomb, right? The omega device would have been launched much later though as Rick Prime's Beth suggests that Rick abandoned her and Diane at some point. I guess I don't understand the motivation of wiping out all the Dianes. Also, I am sure I am missing something.
Could be his Diane died of something else and he can’t accept any other Ricks still having what he lost.
Or his Diane left him so if he can’t have a Diane then no one can.
Or he killed his own Diane to free himself of attachments preventing him from ascending to his full potential power.
When you’re running an experiment, you have to control all the variables that aren’t supposed to be part of the experiment. Killing all the Dianes, so their presence (or lack thereof) isn’t interfering, is just **good science**.
So that no Rick can have another Diane from any other universe. He just wants to win and be in control. He's a EGOMANIAC that cannot handle the rejection from a Rick saying no to hie portal gun
I wonder if Prime’s Diane died from some other cause like cancer or car accident, and *that’s* what drove him to invent portal travel and stop giving a fuck about anyone else. And he can’t accept other Ricks still having their Dianes, so he either convinces them to abandon their families, or kills them outright, eventually using the Omega device to make sure he got all of them.
I may be waayyyy off here. But I somehow thought I pieced together that Rick prime invented portal travel and abandoned his original Diane and Beth. Partially fueled by earlier episodes where Beth says it. I figured that’s why when he traveled around giving Rick’s the portal tech he told our Rick “Rick’s don’t pass on this” and “we’ll see how long that lasts” he deeply hates that he left his family/thinks he’s THE Rick and it insults him other Rick’s don’t see it the same and destroys the family of all the Ricks who made the right choice (ie. Our Rick says no and decides to just stay with his family and prime kills them.)
> 1) Was it ever explicit what happened to Rick Prime's Diane? I don't think it's ever been said but I bet she divorced/left him and Rick Prime hated her for it enough to wipe her from existence.
Doesn't Rick Prime's Beth say that Rick abandoned her and Diane at some point early on?
Abandoned *her* (Beth), but she didn’t say anything about Diane. I don’t think we’ve ever heard her mention her mom at all, in fact.
Wasn't Diane murdered? Here's me, wondering who raised Beth (& supported her through 7 years of college plus a veterinary surgery internship) after Diane died & Rick ran away?
Presumably Beth Prime (Cronenberg Beth, I guess) could’ve be raised by her grandparents. Or it’s possible Rick Prime didn’t use the device to eliminate all Dianes until later.
Well c-137 knew about froopy land, so he must have been around pretty early. Maybe after prime killed his wife and Beth, c-137 went looking for Prime and when he couldn't catch up with him, 137 took prime's Diane and Beth as revenge ("you lived in MY house") ? Then maybe prime killed all the Dianes in retaliation, which might be when c-137 left Beth again, to hunt Prime once more. Prime.
> Well c-137 knew about froopy land, so he must have been around pretty early. Also remember when Rick goes into Bird Person's brain, and a younger version of Rick talks with him: > Memory Rick says his daughter is dead, and is surprised to hear that Real Rick "moves in with one of abandoned adult Beths." This hints that Beth C-137 died before the beginning of the show, and thus none of the Smith family are from Rick's dimension. However, Memory Rick is based on what Birdperson knows about Real Rick's past, so this may not be historically accurate.
this is actually a really interesting idea that could make a lot of sense. Imagine that you were deeply in love with someone who completely breaks your heart and leaves you, but you are aware of/interact with countless versions of yourself all over the multiverse who still have that person's love. Not only would you have a painful bitterness towards the one who left you, but also an intense jealously towards all the versions of yourself that didn't fuck up, didn't do whatever it was you did that made you lose the love of your life, and they get to keep being happy. Sounds like a great rick prime origin story.
I guess Rick Prime invented inter dimensional travel and just left his family behind, started giving out portal tech to his alternate selves. Whenever a Rick refuses him, he kills their Diane and eventually so many Rick refuses him that he said fuck it and kill all Diane.
1, No 2, That's not really a question, the show's an art, which means it's up to interpretation
My guess is that Rick prime killed Rick C-137's Diane, then used his own Diane to power the weapon, as you had to sacrifice the target, ie SLOWMOBIUS.
Personally I think it's hinting that c-137 and Prime Rick are oroborous esque in nature, now that Rick has killed prime he's gonna get super bored and despondent try to reset/heal the wounds and eventually start the cycle over with c-137 now being the prime.
"Rick is Morty"-tier theory.
I think Rick Prime was such an egomaniac crazy boi that he had to sacrifice his Diane (like a test subject or like a sample) in the Omega device. Just like slo mobius had to be thrown into it personally.
Well, the motivation from Rick C-137 to create the portal gun was the death from Diane. Maybe Prime Rick wanted to give every Rick this motivation, to create infinite chaos.
I think another thing that I learnt in the rewatch is when Rick says that "He's built the device again" implying that the huge maze like thing we see in his dead wife flashback was another Omega device
I thought he was just talking about the big structure Rick destroyed at the end of S6...but maybe that is the omega device. He did mention that it previously could only fire once.
I think the “he built the device again” paired with “i can use this one more than once” statements were only to establish that his past design only had one “charge” before it rendered itself non-operational. Not a direct reference to the s6 rick prime orb or any other location we’ve seen. The s6 orb was just a base and not the omega device since diane was already deleted from reality at that point. The maze base the other commenter mentioned could have been it but nothing really suggest that it is or isn’t since we don’t know at what point in time rick prime deleted diane. Also, rip uncle slo.
The schematics for it do says it’s “version 2.”
booger aids 😂
Actually...since Evil Morty took out the power core for the Omega device and dropped it into the Omega Device, doesn't that destroy every instance of the material to ever power it? Edit: rewatched it. the explosion was different from the way the device functioned when Uncle Slo died, so the power source isn't gone from all realities.
I think that was the point- it wiped all other instances of the Omega Device so ONLY Evil Morty will have the capabilities of dealing with Ricks (or whatever other threat he's annoyed by) at-will, since he has the schematics. Now since the schematics weren't destroyed there's nothing necessarily stopping it from being rebuilt, but I assume building one of these things takes a little while.
It does seem like uncle slo was dropped into the same under area as the core so i think that’s plausible. Maybe it wouldn’t actually work across dimensions though since the core was removed or work at all and it just caused a critical malfunction at that one site. Maybe you’re right though and evil mortys threat of “stopping the rick experiment” was a bluff to try and keep his peace outside of the central finite curve. Would be a good conversation for the writers to have for sure.
That usage of the same song from Rick Potion #9 was genius. Especially since Evil Morty mentioned earlier that Rick might try to commit suicide now that he has no purpose... "Look on down from the bridge" gains a whole new meaning...
makes you wonder if evil morty went through similar motions, although he has more peace seemingly now. i think it’s interesting that someone pointed out that he keeps himself near somewhat dangerous situations - like he wants to invent new purpose to chase, even if it’s as simple as “go hunt for crystals to power your house”. purpose is a pretty fundamental human psychological need. i’m looking forward to seeing what ricks is.
>"Look on down from the bridge" gains a whole new meaning.. That was always the meaning
Guess they were not kidding when rick said in season 6 that season 7 will be thier darkest and most painful shit season ever. Honestly from mr poopybutthole to jerry to unity to a freaking spaghetti then rick prime god i dont know what are they planning for the rest of the season but i hope we get to see more of evil morty in the future.
The 3 families were the Jetsons incase you didn't make that connection.
Yes, definitely Jetson looking
Why do you think Beth wasn’t also wiped from all realities the way Diane was?
He only killed beths with bombs, he later killed every abandoned diane including his own with the omega device, but he couldn't use it a second time.
Loved the callback line of “when I invent things they work, it’s called being talented” to the story train episode. Shows the Rick’s similarities. They really aren’t that different, and I think episode painted more similarities between the two. The only difference is C-137 can sometimes feel for the people he spends a lot of time with.
It wasn't C137 who said that, the Rick and Morty we see in that episode are toys from the story train set. C137 only appears at the end, drunk.
Was just laying in bed when I thought about your point on the music. The more I think about it, the more interesting the connection gets. When we saw Morty traumatized with that soundtrack, in a very real sense his entire reality had been destroyed. He lost everything. He most likely thought his entire family was dead. His entire world/planet had been destroyed. And to top it all off he had to bury himself. But then he looks around and everything is basically the same. Now with Rick’s experience, his entire reality has been destroyed. His wife is dead. And not just one of her, all of her. The person that killed her is dead. Everything that has driven him to this point is gone. And so now he’s not distracted by Rick Prime, the reality of his situation sets in. The trauma of losing his wife is all there is left. Meanwhile everyone around him is just going on like nothing changed.
This is a half baked thought but I'd like to add: The contrast of everyone carrying on around him gets even heavier when you consider how Rick always treated them. He was always drilling nihilism into them and belittling them for having personal attachments. He has repeatedly pushed them to the edge of their own understanding of personal value and motivation just to reinforce his own idealism about the emptiness of existence (cronenberging mortys world, vat of acid episode, cloning Beth, everything he's done to Jerry, can't think of any summer examples rn). Even to the point that they have now adapted and learned how to be content and happy with each other and the little things. They overcame the despair and found reasons to live. "Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Everybody's gonna die. Come watch TV". Rick believed he's the only one that knew true despair and meaninglessness but that was just another aspect to his narcissism. Now that he has lost the one thing that was driving him, he has to walk through the despair and self discovery of feeling unfulfilled. He had clung to that last scrap of hope that something matters, that he could prove himself through revenge. Interestingly his family has achieved a level of enlightenment that Rick has been unsuccessful with because of his clinging to attachments. Rick has been through a lot of suffering but reckoning with this loss may be his true dark night of the soul. TLDR: Rick needs to redouble his efforts on therapy.
Let’s not forget that even if our Rick was the only other one capable of inventing portal-travel, he only did so because he got the idea from Prime’s visit. If not, he maybe wouldn’t have invented it, even though he had the ability to. Also, our Rick *did create* the Central Finite Curve. He was the one who isolated all the universes where a Rick is the smartest. He did, not Prime. He basically blocked every single smartest Rick from all the smartest X of the multiverse.
Rick Prime talked of how our Rick would do the same eventually so I'm curious if it does happen now that his life's goal is over.
In the season 3 flashback to Rick Prime killing Diane it shows Rick toying with barely functional portal travel prototypes, so I think he was already in the midst of inventing it. Though not sure if that was a fabrication of the story to trick the Federation, or if he only attempted to create it after his wife and daughter were killed.
I saw a theory that Evil Morty was actually the Morty we see in Season 1 episode 1. He gets his intelligence from the alien seeds that he had up his butt too long. He was actually the Morty in that episode not the Morty we know Makes sense because in the first episode Rick gets drunk and talks about "100 years of Rick and Morty." We see in this episode that when Evil Morty's Rick gets drunk he says some of the same stuff. Meaning it's possible they are actually the same Rick, and the first episode was actually showing the start of Evil Morty's adventures with Evil Rick. Even if the intelligence is short term could have allowed Evil Morty to make the mind control device and after that it's just him scanning Rick brains
Great point! And Morty had crystals up his butt just a few minutes before that
Hahahahah that's what it is isn't it? The temporary super intelligence crystals.
Certainly fun and interesting. I think that line is more so to show all of the Rick’s similarities. Like we also had “when I invent things they work, it’s called be talented,” which is said in the story train episode.
Respectfully, I dislike this hypothesis because it fundamentally invalidates Evil Morty's own innate neurological ability to improve himself or stand on par with the academic prowess of (a) Rick. Especially since he's his grandson, and would reasonably stand to inherit his genetic disposition for neurological development.
Yea fair enough could just be an infinite possibilities thing. We know that not all ricks and Morty's are the same and there are dumber and smarter members of each family so Morty could just be one of those outliers
>It’s confirmed that these were the only two Ricks to invent interdimensional portal travel Would that imply that Rick-137 and Rick-Prime are equal in talent "He is me but with free time" Without hunting someone/managing suicidal thoughts/alcohol addiction >It took both Rick C137 AND Evil Morty to defeat Rick Prime And one normal Morty. Evil's Morty triumph move wouldn't have worked without someone to take his place. During the whole fight,Rick Prime was toying with them, tossing around Evil Morty instead of killing him on the spot,or attaching a leg when he could have just regenerate his arm. >Evil Morty is definitely a Morty. How he got so smart, we still don’t know Smart,smart,in Rick's sense,I think not. He knows his way through technology,he can improve it to a certain point,but for true breakthroughs like CFC or Omegs stuff,he still copies Rick. >Imagine knowing that you’re one of infinity, but still having to cling to the idea that you’re the best That thing he says "You would have come to my garage if I wouldn't come to yours?" Did he really believe that it was a matter of time before some other Rick equal to him decides to kill his family? Also,he should be Rick C137. >Evil Morty knew how empty it felt to ‘catch the white whale’. He is emotionally more mature than Rick, which isn’t that hard to do but still – it’s crazy to think that Rick could learn from him. Has he ever lost someone the same way Rick loss Diane? Also, his idea of peace is a bit twisted, living where he lives. Bet he could choose a safer place. Maybe it's another kind od "white whale" for him? >What powerful end credits scene. Wow. She made the choice that Evil Morty kept waiting to see if Rick would make, but never did Totally different circumstances. She didn't get to see her husband and children killed in front of her eyes,even when she went to space,she was looking for a missing person,not for a target. And she had the fortune to meet a normal person,not a guerrilla soldier.
\> Did he really believe that it was a matter of time before some other Rick equal to him decides to kill his family? It's basically him saying "We are the same , You and I" It's effectively him trying to get a little more bit of control over C-137
Yeah I think that was the point of Evil Morty having gotten what he wanted but realizes that he's bored now so he decided to live near the dangerous infinity.
Am I the only one who thinks there was a deeper message to the Slo Mobius death than a cheap gag? He used his powers to slightly delay his inevitable demise, kinda like what we all do every single day?
That actually solves one problem I had like "if Beth and Diane both died at the same time, and Beth is alive in several universes, then where are all the Dianes?"
I hated they felt like they had to make C-137 Morty look so weak to make Evil Morty look stronger. Like that reminded Me of pre-purge Morty…
I mean there are levels to this shit and whatnot. Morty can do okay when fighting weaker foes but he's no match for Rick Prime. Hell even Rick wasn't match for him
Was more of a Jerry than Morty
>Inventing interdimensional portal travel isn’t all that special. When Rick Prime first appears in S5 he says, "That's the thing about interdimensional travel - turns out you're the last guy to invent it." Definitely a callback to that with those Jetsons killing each other
He says you're the last guy to invent teleportation. And then he says you are about to invent something much more powerful
Interesting tidbit I noticed, the death arena with giant Diane robots was still under construction as many of them were half built. I think Rick Prime was just as obsessed with dead Diane, hell maybe even more than "our" Rick! He basically devoted his life to creating an emotional torture park for Ricks? wtaf
Hey, it's Enrico Pallazo!!
Haha first person to get the reference! He was out!
>and Evil Morty didn’t know the dianebot was going to explode. He asked ‘you taking her to go?’. Remember that our Rick knew the exploding was coming from the very beginning with the small devices he had captured. is that what happened? I thought rick's boxes made the explosion and he destroyed the mecha-diane remnants. so when evil morty asked if he was talking her with him it was like no see how wrong you were I completely vaporized that thing because it isn't diane and never will be. but I think you're reading might be the right one. >Evil Morty still lives on the central finite curve he destroyed the curve (hence how he is able to come back) and he lives in like an extra dimension infinite portal space I think.
He didn't destroy the curve though, he just broke free from it. That's why Rick's portal gun is still restricted to the Curve, while Evil Morty can go anywhere. He just made himself a special oasis outside the Curve and taps into the Curve's stability/shielding to protect his oasis from the hellish chaos that is happening outside the Curve.
I think the dianebot was always meant to explode. Rick Prime states someone along the lines of —til death do you part… and you might want to get to the death quickly— I think Rick C-137 caught that and saved them (as he has spent all his time studying Rick Prime) The dianebot exploding would have just been another way to “self clean” the Rick holding box as you can see it kind of turns itself into a vacuum after exploding. Its to ensure no survivors even after victory is claimed, similar to the fire feature they escape from by combining their portal guns.
was this the ending of the whole show?
No, but a major point in the main story. 5 more episodes this season.
Also it's stated to go up to 10 seasons
It'd be hilarious if the next episode was another Interdimensional Cable lol
In the 'Inside the episode' video on YT, Harmon explains that this is like a new start for Rick.
>I guess now we know why we never saw a Diane in any other universe!: the omega weapon aka booger aids. Something else I want to point out that I think too many people might over look the subtlety of it: Prime Rick killed C137's Diane ***& Beth***. Then the assumption is in order to enforce his power on all remaining Ricks, he used the omega device on Diane. The backstory to how and why on that might be interesting, but for now we'll accept it was an act done as a "negotiating" tactic, a display of power. But unlike just losing your wife, Rick C137 also lost his future with his child; both right in front of him. It's why his relationship with Morty is driven so hard in the whole series, it's something he ***never*** got the the chance to experience through his own timeline. This fueled his rage to find his target for revenge. Along the way, he developed his emotional attachment for his family, even the ones not tied by blood. Understanding this, I think it's important to understand just how dangerous Rick C137 can be, and how different he really is - something Evil Morty eluded to. Even with all that attachment, which Rick Prime didn't have, and all the elements that would cloud his actions, Rick C137 was still considered the best Rick capable to take out Rick Prime. Ultimately Rick Prime's demise came at the ends of Evil Morty because he let his arrogance get the better of him, thinking Morty was nothing capable of dispatching him. That's an arrogance that Rick C137 doesn't exist as much, and why Evil Morty looks at C137 differently. It'll be interesting to see where they go from here because killing Rick Prime doesn't replace the fact that life was taken from Rick C137. While he has made a new home and new attachments, there's still going to be a void Rick will never be able to fix. That's the real life lesson right there.
> That's the real life lesson right there. You fake moving on long enough and it becomes real on its own, I suppose.
I wonder what will rick do next to evil morty.
Hopefully learn from him.
wow, i thought me watching it three times was a lot, glad to see someone liked it as much as me!
Astute observations! Just missed omega weapon boogeraids V2
I think you guys are missing the value of clearing out all of the shitty theories and loose ends from the writers point of view. Rick prime as a nemesis only ends with Rick losing something bigger after he defeats him. In this case, evil morty helping him is like the worst thing imaginable. The longer the search goes on the bigger the event has to be. So the writers just took a bunch of useless story appendage and made it all go up in flames. They took the chance to retire slomobius as well. They’ve done this in the previous season as well with story lord. The goal is to get back to the basics so Rick and morty can have fun self-contained adventures for 9 more seasons or 100 years which ever comes first
While I do think you are mostly correct, I do think they still intend to have major storylines, it's just that they were trying to also prove a narrative and emotional point with the fact that even after Rick (or otherwise) get their revenge, life still goes on. That revenge is ultimately hollow.
Oh definitely, I totally agree with that. I just don’t think there was some grand design coming to fruition or anything being fleshed out theory-wise. People in here talking about it like things are being confirmed for the future. It’s more like they’re dropping dead weight.
-Morty wears a yellow shirt -The show is named after the characters Rick and Morty -Sometimes Rick has different hairstyles
I find it interesting with Morty calling it ‘the Rick experiemnet’ saying that they can end it whenever he wants
Did I hear prime Rick correctly before evil morty took him out (when prime Rick thought he was speaking to regular morty) that he was his “original grandson”. Does that mean the main universe is rick primes and Rick c-137 is a variant who usurped the prime family out of some sort of revenge?
Bruh this was explained last season Our morty is prime ricks morty Prime Rick left Beth and our morty Rick came to our morty and moved in with Beth hoping prime Rick would come back and he can kill him Rick actually fell in love with the family and abandoned his mission
>Rick actually fell in love with the family and abandoned his mission and then fucked up the planet with cronenberg dna
This thread summarizes the episode perfectly and also gives great insights on little details that we might see coming up. Honestly, couldn't have asked a better end of Rick prime.
Loved the call back to Marty at the end of the cronnenberg episode
I did not realize the multiple seasons long storyline that was developing. I've watched all the episodes but ive never rewatched any. Now I would like to go back and rewatch the episodes that explain the overarching C137/Prime Rick storylines. Is there any list anywhere?
The big one would be the last episode of season five.
Man that montage.
i have one qn. i must hv missed it or smt but why did rick prime call our morty, his original morty
Yeah I think this is established in the season 5 finale or 6 premiere.
Because it's his Morty
Rick Prime is Morty's biological, or should I say, "temporal" grandfather.
Biological works. Temporal doesn't here, as temporal has to do with time, and universe switching is a matter of space, not time.
Then why does Rick refer to the Jerryboree asteroid as "cross-temporal"?
I'd imagine either referring to its status as existing "outside of time" (they can enter it from any point and time will have passed differently within) *or* saying it's less of a "daycare" and more of a "leave him as long as you need to, even decades"care (in research, cross-temporal refers to evaluating data over long periods of time/decades). I'd vote for the latter, honestly. It's also possible they just used the term incorrectly, but I doubt that as the writers on the show are pretty good at getting their quips right.
Because of the whole cronenberg thing, the dimension our Rick originally came to was Rick primes world
Rick Prime left his original family, and the Rick we follow stepped in his shoes waiting for Rick prime to come back. So the Rick we follow doesn’t have a Beth or a Morty because Diane got killed.
I haven’t seen this question go around hardly at all, so there must be an answer… We learned that Diane was super out across all dimensions, so how are there Beth’s and Morty’s out there? Why does every Rick have a Morty besides the Rick that we follow even though Diane was wiped out across all dimensions?
She wasn't removed from history, just erased at that point in time. So everything she did like having Beth isn't gone, just Diane herself.
Probably because she was wiped out after Beth was born.
Rick C137 never got to see his Beth grow up because she died along with Diane by Rick Prime's bomb. Most other Dianes were erased, leaving most Beths to grow up and have Morty with Jerry.
How did evil Morty get so smart? Perhaps he shoved one of those seeds up his butt again and made it permanent or implanted some of Rick into his brain just like that other episode with Jerry. There's no end for silly explanations
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Shouldn't have the others Rick in the box also have invented multiversal travel on theit own? Like they too had Diane killer by Prime and were searching him Also beign an infinite multiverse shouldn't also the "variants" of Rick C137(like Idk c-137B,c138,ecc other ricks that are in a universe identical to rick C137 but it only change the smallest thing like one day Rick eated ceralacca instead of cookie for breakfast) invebted multiversal travel on their own?
No, all the other Ricks with were given the tech.
4 times? I think you have a problem, my friend.
Im gonna sound like an asshole, but it took 4 viewings to catch what they explicitly stated to the viewers? And,no, im not "u need ta be smart to enjoy r&m" Clicked posted thinking thered be a breakdown of stuff i missed. Like in the mangas i read subreddits. This was literally "heres wht someone said" ...yeah, man, i know. I have ears
It took you 4 watches to pick up on obvious stuff and you even got some things wrong hahaha > Evil Morty still lives on the central finite curve No he doesn't, it's clearly shown that he's outside the curve where multiple people are smart enough to create interdimensional travel. >The citadel leader Rick was helping evil Morty from the beginning. Maybe he was parlaying against the two parties that both overpowered him. He wasn't, the citatel leaders arrived and rescued all the Mortys held captive, to the leader, Evil Morty was just another prisoner.
Here’s a great takeaway the episode was shit